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翻译人员: Bo Hu
校对人员: dong liu
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So, 120 years ago,
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在120年前
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Dr. Röntgen X-rayed his wife's hand.
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伦琴医生给他妻子的手拍摄了X光照片。
00:21
Quite why he had to pin her fingers to the floor
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只是,为什么他要用胸针把他妻子的手指钉在地上
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with her brooch, I'm not sure. It seems a bit extreme to me.
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对此我很不解。这对我来说有点不可思议。
00:27
That image was the start of the X-ray technology.
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但这张照片确实是X射线技术的开端
00:30
And I'm still fundamentally using the same principles today.
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并且我基本上依然在使用与当年相同的原理
00:33
I'm interpreting it in a more contemporary manner.
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但是我用的是一种比较现代的表达方式
00:37
The first shot I ever did
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我拍摄的第一张照片
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was of a soda can, which was to promote a brand that we all know,
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是一个汽水罐,用来为大家都熟悉的一个牌子做广告
00:44
so I'm not going to do them any favors by showing you it.
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所以我不打算给你们展示那张照片,免得再次为他们做广告
00:46
But the second shot I did was my shoes I was wearing on the day.
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我拍摄的第二张照片是我今天穿的这双鞋子
00:49
And I do really like this shot, because
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我非常喜欢这张照片,因为
00:51
it shows all the detritus that's sort of embedded
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从照片上能看到所有
00:53
in the sole of the sneakers.
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嵌在鞋底上的碎石
00:55
It was just one of those pot-luck things where you
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这只是那些有意思的事情之一,你
00:57
get it right first time.
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刚刚开始了解到
00:59
Moving on to something a bit larger,
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让我们继续来看看大一些的东西
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this is an X-ray of a bus.
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这是一张公交汽车的X光照片
01:03
And the bus is full of people.
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这辆车上载满了人
01:05
It's actually the same person. It's just one skeleton.
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实际上他们都是同一个人,都是一具骨架
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And back in the '60s,
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让我们把目光倒回上世纪60年代
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they used to teach student radiographers
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人们以前培训X光照相师
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to take X-rays, thankfully not on you and I,
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拍摄X光照片,但幸好不是给我们拍
01:13
but on dead people.
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而是拍摄死人
01:15
So, I've still got access to one of these dead people
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现在,我们仍然能够拍摄到当年的那些死人之一
01:17
called Frieda; she's falling apart, I'm afraid,
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她的名字叫Frieda。我担心她一直在腐化
01:20
because she's very old and fragile.
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因为她已经非常老了,而且还很脆弱
01:22
But everyone on that bus is Frieda.
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但那辆公交车上的每个人都是Frieda
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And the bus is taken with a cargo-scanning X-ray,
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这张公交车的照片是由X光货物扫描仪器拍摄的
01:27
which is the sort of machine you have on borders,
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就是我们在边境关口看到的那种机器
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which checks for contraband and drugs and bombs and things.
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用来检查走私品,毒品和爆炸物之类的东西
01:33
Fairly obvious what that is.
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很明显能看出来这是什么
01:36
So, using large-scale objects
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拍摄大尺度的物体
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does sort of create drama
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确实是相当有戏剧性的
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because you just don't see X-rays of big things that often.
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因为你很少见到大型物体的X光照片
01:43
Technology is moving ahead,
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科技在不断进步
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and these large cargo scanner X-rays
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这些大的X光货物扫描仪器
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that work with the digital system are getting better and better and better.
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以及其中的数字系统正在变得越来越好
01:50
Again though, to make it come alive
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然而,要把它变得有趣一点
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you need, somehow, to add the human element.
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你需要加入一些人的因素
01:54
And I think the reason this image works, again, is because
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我认为这张图片成功的原因在于
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Frieda is driving the bulldozer.
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Frieda在驾驶这台推土机
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:59
Quite a difficult brief,
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这是个相当困难的事
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make a pair of men's pants look beautiful.
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让一条男士裤子看起来漂亮
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But I think the process, in itself, shows how exquisite they are.
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但我认为这个过程本身就体现了它有多么精细
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Fashion -- now, I'm sort of anti-fashion because I
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时尚,我现在是个反时尚者,因为我
02:10
don't show the surface, I show what's within.
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不展现事物的表面,而是事物的内部
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So, the fashionistas don't really like me
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所以,时尚人士一定不喜欢我
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because it doesn't matter if Kate Moss is wearing it or if I'm wearing it,
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因为不论是Kate Moss或是我穿着时装
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it looks the same.
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看起来都是一样的
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:20
We all look the same inside, believe me.
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我们的内部看起来都是一样的,相信我
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The creases in the material and the sort of nuances.
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面料上的褶皱都只是细微差别
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And I show things for really what they are, what they're made of.
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而我展示食物最真实的一面,他们是由什么构成的
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I peel back the layers and expose it.
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不论物品制作得精良与否,我都如实的展现出来
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And if it's well made I show it, if it's badly made I show it.
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我能肯定Ross将会把它同设计联系起来
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And I'm sure Ross can associate that with design.
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但设计源自事物的内在
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The design comes from within.
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而不是表面的样子
02:38
It's not just Topshop,
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在我寻找我的拍摄道具时,我得到一些奇怪的图像
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I get some strange looks when I go out getting my props.
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这个是我在百货商店的女士内衣部搜寻时找到的
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Here I was fumbling around in the ladies' underwear department
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几乎要被商家赶出来
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of a department store, almost got escorted from the premises.
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我住在一家农场的对面,这就是那家农场的牲口,一只死掉的小猪
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I live opposite a farm. And this was the runt of the litter, a piglet that died.
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真正有趣的是
02:51
And what's really interesting is,
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当你看着它的腿时,你会发现那些骨头都没有愈合
02:53
if you look at the legs, you'll notice that the bones haven't fused.
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这只小猪还没有生长成熟
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And should that pig have grown,
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不幸的是它死了,并且在我用X射线照射他之后
02:58
unfortunately it was dead, it would have certainly been dead
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应该能它肯定已经死了,介于我所用的辐射剂量
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after I X-rayed it, with the amount of radiation I used anyway.
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笑声
03:02
(Laughter)
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但是一旦那些骨头愈合之后
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But once the bones had fused together
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它应该能够很健康的
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it would have been healthy.
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那么,现在这就是一件皮夹克
03:08
So, that's an empty parka jacket.
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但是我很喜欢它的这个造型
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But I quite love the way it's posed.
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自然是我最大的灵感
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Nature is my greatest inspiration.
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下面继续我们已经接触到的一个话题
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And to carry on with a theme that we've already touched with
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那就是自然如何与建筑相联系
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is how nature is related to architecture.
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如果你看到“伊甸园计划”(一个人造的大型温室)
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If you look at the roof of the Eden Project,
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或者不列颠图书馆的屋顶,你会发现他们都是蜂巢结构的
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or the British library, it's all this honeycomb structure.
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我敢肯定,这些建筑师的灵感
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And I'm sure those architects are inspired,
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同我的一样,都来自我们的周围,来自大自然
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as I am, by what surrounds us, by nature.
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事实上,这是一片维多利亚睡莲的叶子
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This, in fact, is a Victoria water lily leaf
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漂浮在池塘上的
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that floats on the top of a pond.
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喇叭花看上去很有立体感
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An amaryllis flower looking really three-dimensional.
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退潮时的海藻
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Seaweed, ebbing in the tide.
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现在我要向大家展示我如何拍摄这些,我在哪拍摄这些,以及之类的问题
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Now, how do I do this, and where do I do this, and all of that sort of thing.
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这是我新建的X射线专用摄影棚
03:45
This is my new, purpose-built, X-ray shed.
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这是通往X射线室的门
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And the door to my X-ray room
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用铅和钢材做成
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is made of lead and steel.
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它有1250公斤重,我唯一的锻炼就是打开和关上这个门
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It weighs 1,250 kilograms and the only exercise I get is opening and closing it.
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笑声
03:57
(Laughter)
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墙壁都是用700毫米厚的高密度混凝土制成的
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The walls are 700 millimeters thick of solid dense concrete.
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我使用很大的辐射量
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So, I'm using quite a lot of radiation.
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比医院或者兽医那所用的量都要大
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A lot more than you'd get in a hospital or a vet's.
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我就在那。这是一台相当高功率的X射线仪器
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And there I am. This is a quite high-powered X-ray machine.
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关于X射线真正有趣的事情
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What's interesting really about X-ray really
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是,如果你考虑到的话,是这项技术
04:14
is, if you think about it, is that that technology
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是用来检查癌症和搜查毒品的
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is used for looking for cancer or looking for drugs,
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或者是走私物品之类的东西
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or looking for contraband or whatever.
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而我用这种技术
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And I use that sort of technology
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制造美丽的画面
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to create things that are quite beautiful.
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我恐怕还要是用胶片
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So, still working with film, I'm afraid.
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X射线技术在实物大小的处理中
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Technology in X-ray where it's life-size processed,
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撇开那些大型的扫描机器不谈
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apart from these large cargo-scanning machines,
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在图像质量上并没有很大的改进
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hasn't moved on enough for the quality of the image
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分辨率足够我进行这些展示
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and the resolution to be good enough for what I want to do with it,
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把我的图片放大展示出来
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which is show my pictures big.
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我是用过一个20世纪80年代的鼓形扫描仪
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So, I have to use a 1980s drum scanner,
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它被设计出来的时候,人们都还在用胶片拍照
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which was designed in the days when everyone shot photographs on film.
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它扫描单独的X射线照片
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They scan each individual X-ray.
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这个展示了我如何处理小尺寸的X光照片
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And this shows how I do my process of same-size X-rays.
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这又是我女儿的裙子
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So, this is, again, my daughter's dress.
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还带着我买它时候的标签
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Still has the tag in it from me buying it,
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如果她不喜欢我还能到商店退货
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so I can take it back to the shop if she didn't like it.
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这里有4个X光底盘
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But there are four X-ray plates.
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你能看到他们重叠在一起
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You can see them overlapping.
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如果你的注意力从那些相当小尺寸的东西,
05:01
So, when you move forward from something fairly small,
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比如一条这样大小的裙子,
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a dress which is this size,
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转移到这样的物体上,它们照片处理的过程完全是一样的
05:06
onto something like that which is done in exactly the same process,
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你可以看到这需要很大的工作量
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you can see that that is a lot of work.
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事实上,这是三个月固定X光扫描的成果
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In fact, that is three months solid X-raying.
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这由500个单独的部分组成
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There is over 500 separate components.
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波音公司给我送来一架747飞机放在机库里
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Boeing sent me a 747 in containers.
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而我还给他们的是一张X光照片
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And I sent them back an X-ray.
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(笑声)我可没跟你们开玩笑
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(Laughter) I kid you not.
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好的,Frieda 是一具死去的骷髅
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Okay, so Frieda is my dead skeleton.
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这个,不幸的,本质上是两张图片
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This, unfortunately, is basically two pictures.
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在最右边的时一张美式足球运动员的照片
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One on the extreme right is a photograph of an American footballer.
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最左边的是一张X光照片
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The one on the left is an x-ray.
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不过这次我用的是一个真实的身体
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But this time I had to use a real body.
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因为我需要所有的皮肤组织,让它看起来是真的
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Because I needed all the skin tissue to make it look real,
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看起来是一个真的运动员
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to make it look like it was a real athlete.
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于是,这次我用了一具最近死亡的尸体
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So, here I had to use a recently deceased body.
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然而把他们固定住相当困难和麻烦
05:40
And getting a hold of that was extremely difficult and laborious.
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但是人们愿意捐献他们的遗体给艺术和科学事业
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But people do donate their bodies to art and science.
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他们一旦捐赠,我就排队领取
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And when they do, I'm in the queue.
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说实话,我很愿意是用他们
05:49
So, I like to use them.
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笑声
05:51
(Laughter)
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下面谈谈颜色,着色给X光照片则更加了难度
05:52
The coloring, so coloring adds another level to the X-rays.
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它会让照片更加生动,更自然
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It makes it more organic, more natural.
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这真的很需要想象力
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It's whatever takes my fancy, really.
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这并不是真实世界里的颜色
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It's not accurately colored to how it is in real life.
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这朵花并不是亮橘黄色的
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That flower doesn't come in bright orange, I don't think.
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但是我比较喜欢它是亮橘黄色的样子
06:06
But I just like it in bright orange.
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同样,一些具有技术性的东西,比如这架DJ台
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And also with something technical, like these are DJ decks,
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这增加了新的维度
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it sort of adds another level.
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这让二维的图片看起来更加立体
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It makes a two dimensional image look more three dimensional.
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对于X光照片来说最难的事情
06:16
The most difficult things to X-ray,
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最具有技术性挑战的事情
06:18
the most technically challenging things to X-ray
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是那些最轻的物体,最脆弱的物体
06:20
are the lightest things, the most delicate things.
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为了得到羽毛当中的细节图像
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To get the detail in a feather,
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相信我,如果这里有人懂得X光技术
06:24
believe me, if there is anyone out here who knows anything about X-rays,
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是相当大的挑战
06:26
that's quite a challenge.
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我将向你们展示一段影片,我会站到一边
06:28
I'm now going to show you a short film, I'll step to the side.
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录像:(音乐)
06:33
Video: (Music)
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那里的东西非常危险
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The thing in there is very dangerous.
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如果你接触了他们你很可能会死
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If you touch that, you could possibly die
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由于辐射中毒
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through radiation poisoning.
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在我的职业生涯中,我有两次暴露在辐射之下
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In my career I've had two exposures to radiation,
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两次已经很多了,因为辐射会一生留在你的体内
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which is two too many, because it stays with you for life.
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它是会累积的
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It's cumulative.
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音乐
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(Music)
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它挺有人情味的
07:13
It has human connotations.
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事实上这是一个小孩的玩具,我们都能认出来
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The fact that it's a child's toy that we all recognize,
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但是看上去也像一个机器人
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but also it looks like it's a robot,
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这来自一种科幻小说
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and it comes from a sci-fi genus.
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令人惊讶的是它拥有人性
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It's a surprise that it has humanity,
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但同时也是人造的,未来的,与外星人相联系的
07:28
but also man-made, future, alien associations.
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看上去有点诡异
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And it's just a bit spooky.
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音乐
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(Music)
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这张公车的照片是由大型X光扫描仪完成的
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The bus was done with a cargo-scanning X-ray machine,
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用在边境线上,
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which is used on the borders
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检查走私和非法移民
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between countries, looking for contraband and illegal immigrants.
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卡车从前面进入,然后进行切面的
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The lorry goes in front of it. And it takes slices
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X光照片贯穿整车
08:24
of X-rays through the lorry.
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这就是如何完成的,事实上就是切面拍照
08:26
And that's how this was done. It's actually slice, slice.
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这有点像医院的CT扫描仪。切片
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It's a bit like a CT scanner in a hospital. Slices.
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如果你仔细观察,这里还有些细微的事情
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And then if you look carefully, there is all little things.
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他带着耳机,读着报纸
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He's got headphones on, reading the newspaper,
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带着帽子,眼睛,和一个包
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got a hat on, glasses, got a bag.
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这些细节
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So, these little details
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让照片看起来更真实
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help to make it work, make it real.
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(音乐)
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(Music)
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如果使用活人,那麻烦的是
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The problem with using living people is that
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照射X光,如果我用X光照射你,你将暴露在辐射中
08:53
to take an X-ray, if I X-ray you, you get exposed to radiation.
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为了避免这样的事
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So, to avoid that --
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我必须采取一点措施
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I have to avoid it somehow --
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那便是用死人
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is I use dead people.
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现在,这涵盖了很多种类,从最近刚刚死去的尸体
09:02
Now, that's a variety of things, from recently deceased bodies,
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到那些给学生的骨架
09:06
to a skeleton that was used by student radiographers
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用来训练他们拍摄人体X光照片
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to train in taking X-rays of the human body,
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对于不同的密度
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at different densities.
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(音乐)
09:16
(Music)
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我有一些非常高科技的装备,手套,剪刀和一个桶子
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I have very high-tech equipment of gloves, scissors and a bucket.
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(音乐)
09:24
(Music)
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我将展示一些微小的作用原理,它是怎样获得营养的
09:31
I will show how the capillary action works, how it feeds,
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我将能得到这条茎里面的所有细胞
09:34
I'll be able to get all the cells inside that stem.
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因为它将养料从根传送到叶
09:36
Because it transfers food from its roots to its leaves.
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看看这个怪物
09:40
Look at this monster.
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(音乐)
09:42
(Music)
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它是如此的原始,它只在野外生长
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It's so basic. It just grows wild.
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这就是我最喜欢它的地方
09:57
That's what I really like about it,
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事实上我不用去把它买来
09:59
the fact that I haven't got to go and buy it,
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它没有被作任何修饰
10:01
and it hasn't been genetically modified at all.
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它就这么发生了
10:03
It's just happening.
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X射线照片展现了大自然有多美
10:05
And the X-ray shows how beautiful nature can be.
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不是那个,它有很独特的美
10:08
Not that that is particularly beautiful
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当你用肉眼看它
10:10
when you look at it with the human eye,
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树叶生长的方式,它们相互卷在一起
10:13
the way the leaves form. They're curling back on each other.
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X射线将展示在这些小角落的重叠
10:17
So the X-ray will show the overlaps in these little corners.
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物体越厚,所需要的辐射就越多
10:31
The thicker the object, the more radiation it needs,
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也需要更多时间
10:33
and the more time it needs.
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物体越薄,需要的辐射也就越少
10:35
The lighter the object, the less radiation.
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有时你需要掌握时间,因为时间能给你很多细节
10:38
Sometimes you keep the time up, because the time gives you detail.
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曝光时间越长,
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The longer the exposure goes on for,
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你得到的细节就越多
10:43
the more detail you get.
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(音乐)
10:46
(Music)
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如果你看这里,这枝干
11:00
If you look at this, just the tube,
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它非常明亮
11:02
it is quite bright.
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于是,这些在边缘的叶子就开始消失了
11:04
But I could get a bit darker in the tube, but everything else would suffer.
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我喜欢的是边缘有多明显
11:07
So, these leaves at the edge would start to disappear.
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有多锐利
11:11
What I like is how hard the edges are,
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是的,我很喜欢它
11:13
how sharp.
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(音乐)
11:15
Yeah, I'm quite pleased with it.
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我在表面之下探寻并展示
11:17
(Music)
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那些有价值的东西
11:19
I travel beyond the surface and show
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它是如何构成的,如何运作的
11:21
something for what it's worth,
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同时我也发现
11:24
for what it's really made of, how it really works.
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抛开表面,我能得到很多
11:26
But also I find that
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那些人们经常见到的
11:29
I've got the benefit of taking away all the surface,
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这就是我一直在做的
11:33
which is things that people are used to seeing.
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现在我得到一个机会像你展示
11:37
And that's the sort of thing I've been doing.
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在将来我将做的事情
11:39
I've got the opportunity now to show you
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这是我最近作品中的一个商业广告
11:41
what I'm going to be doing in the future.
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它好的地方是,我认为,它很像某一时刻
11:43
This is a commercial application of my most recent work.
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想你四处转转,你有了X射线视野
11:47
And what's good about this, I think, is that it's like a moment in time,
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你用X射线相机拍了一张照片
11:50
like you've turned around, you've got X-ray vision
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不幸的是,我没有X射线视野
11:52
and you've taken a picture with the X-ray camera.
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我做过X射线的梦,在睡梦中我看到我的项目
11:54
Unfortunately I haven't got X-ray vision.
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我知道它们用X射线看起来是什么样子,而且我就在不远处
11:56
I do dream in X-ray. I see my projects in my sleep.
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那么,在将来我要干什么
11:59
And I know what they're going to look like in X-ray and I'm not far off.
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今年是第50周年纪念
12:02
So, what am I doing in the future?
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对于Issigoni的mini车,我最爱的汽车之一
12:04
Well, this year is the 50th anniversary
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于是我将它分解了,一个一个的零件
12:06
of Issigonis's Mini, which is one of my favorite cars.
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一个月又一个月的工作
12:09
So, I've taken it apart, component by component,
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这些图片,我将展出
12:12
months and months and months of work.
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在Victoria and Albert博物馆中的
12:14
And with this image, I'm going to be displaying
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就像你一个灯箱,事实上是附在汽车上的
12:17
it in the Victoria and Albert Museum
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我从中间将车劈成两半
12:20
as a light box, which is actually attached to the car.
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这本身不是一个容易的工作
12:22
So, I've got to saw the car in half, down the middle,
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然后你可以进入驾驶室那一边,然后坐下
12:25
not an easy task, in itself.
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对着你的是一堵墙
12:27
And then, so you can get in the driver's side, sit down,
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如果你出来,走到车的另外一边
12:29
and up against you is a wall.
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你看到一个实物大小汽车形状的灯箱
12:31
And if you get out and walk around to the other side of the car,
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我将采取这个创意
12:33
you see a life-sized light box of the car showing you how it works.
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把它应用到生活中的其他象征性的事物
12:36
And I'm going to take that idea
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比如,我的第一台电脑是我生活中的一个大行动
12:38
and apply it to other sort of iconic things from my life.
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我有一台Mac Classic,它是一个小盒子
12:42
Like, my first computer was a big movement in my life.
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我认为在X光下它看上去很漂亮
12:45
And I had a Mac Classic. And it's a little box.
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我也在探索
12:47
And I think that would look quite neat as an X-ray.
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把我的作品从二维
12:50
I'm also looking to
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拓展到三维
12:52
take my work from the two-dimensional form
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这是个相当好的方法
12:54
to a more three-dimensional form.
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我现在也在制作X射线录影
12:56
And this is quite a good way of doing it.
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如果你能想象,这些花
12:59
I'm also working now with X-ray video.
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他们正生长
13:01
So, if you can imagine, some of these flowers,
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你能用X射线拍摄下这些,那将非常棒
13:03
and they're actually moving and growing
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好的,就是这些,非常感谢
13:05
and you can film that in X-ray, should be quite stunning.
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(掌声)
13:08
But that's it. I'm done. Thank you very much.
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13:10
(Applause)
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