Nick Veasey: Exposing the invisible

Prevoditelj: Nives Bonacic Recezent: Igor Dobec

So, 120 years ago,

Dakle, prije 120 godina

Dr. Röntgen X-rayed his wife's hand.

doktor Röntgen skenirao je X-zrakama ženinu ruku.

Quite why he had to pin her fingers to the floor

Nisam sasvim siguran zašto joj je trebao pribosti prste za pod

with her brooch, I'm not sure. It seems a bit extreme to me.

s njenim brošem. To mi se čini malo ekstremno.

That image was the start of the X-ray technology.

Ta slika je bila početak tehnologije X-zraka.

And I'm still fundamentally using the same principles today.

I koristim iste temeljne principe i još sada.

I'm interpreting it in a more contemporary manner.

Tumačim ih u suvremenija značenja.

The first shot I ever did

Moj prvi snimak

was of a soda can, which was to promote a brand that we all know,

je bio limenke gaziranog pića koji je reklamirao marku koju svi poznajemo,

so I'm not going to do them any favors by showing you it.

tako da im neću činiti uslugu pokazujući vam ga sada.

But the second shot I did was my shoes I was wearing on the day.

Ali drugi snimak je bio mojih cipela koje sam nosio tog dana.

And I do really like this shot, because

I zaista mi se sviđa ovaj snimak, jer

it shows all the detritus that's sort of embedded

pokazuje sve krhotine koje su na neki način ugrađene

in the sole of the sneakers.

u đon tenisica.

It was just one of those pot-luck things where you

To je bila jedna od onih neočekivanih sreća kad nešto

get it right first time.

učinite kako treba odprve.

Moving on to something a bit larger,

Nastavimo s nečim malo većim,

this is an X-ray of a bus.

Ovo je snimka autobusa.

And the bus is full of people.

I autobus je pun ljudi.

It's actually the same person. It's just one skeleton.

To je zapravo sve jedna osoba. Samo jedan kostur.

And back in the '60s,

Prije u šezdesetima

they used to teach student radiographers

učili su studente radiologe

to take X-rays, thankfully not on you and I,

snimati X-zrakama, srećom ne na vama i meni,

but on dead people.

već na mrtvacima.

So, I've still got access to one of these dead people

Stoga, ja još imam pristup jednom od tih mrtvih tijela

called Frieda; she's falling apart, I'm afraid,

zvanom Frida; ona se raspada, bojim se,

because she's very old and fragile.

jer je vrlo stara i krhka.

But everyone on that bus is Frieda.

Ali svi na onom autobusu su Frida.

And the bus is taken with a cargo-scanning X-ray,

I autobus je sniman X-zrakama teretnog skenera,

which is the sort of machine you have on borders,

to je uređaj sličan onome koji postoji na granicama,

which checks for contraband and drugs and bombs and things.

koji provjerava krijumčarenja i drogu i bombe i ostale stvari.

Fairly obvious what that is.

Prilično očigledno što je to.

So, using large-scale objects

Dakle, korištenje neobično velikih objekata

does sort of create drama

na neki način stvara dramu

because you just don't see X-rays of big things that often.

jer ne vidiš tako često snimke velikih stvari X-zrakama.

Technology is moving ahead,

Tehnologija napredujue

and these large cargo scanner X-rays

I velike X snimke kargo skenera

that work with the digital system are getting better and better and better.

koji radi s digitalim sustavom postaju sve bolje i bolje.

Again though, to make it come alive

S druge strane, kako bi oživjele

you need, somehow, to add the human element.

treba, nekako, dodati ljudski element.

And I think the reason this image works, again, is because

I ja mislim da je razlog zašto je ova slika uspješna, ponovno zato

Frieda is driving the bulldozer.

što Frida vozi buldožer.

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Quite a difficult brief,

Prilično težak zadatak,

make a pair of men's pants look beautiful.

učiniti muško donje rublje da izgleda lijepo.

But I think the process, in itself, shows how exquisite they are.

Ali mislim da i sam postupak, pokazuje koliko su izuzetne.

Fashion -- now, I'm sort of anti-fashion because I

Moda, sada sam na neki način protiv mode jer

don't show the surface, I show what's within.

ne pokazujem površinu, več ono što je iznutra.

So, the fashionistas don't really like me

Tako da me sljedbenici mode zbilja ne vole

because it doesn't matter if Kate Moss is wearing it or if I'm wearing it,

jer nije važno nosi li to Kate Moss ili pak ja,

it looks the same.

jednako izgleda.

(Laughter)

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We all look the same inside, believe me.

Svi izgledamo jednako iznutra, vjerujte mi.

The creases in the material and the sort of nuances.

Nabori na materijalu i slične nijanse.

And I show things for really what they are, what they're made of.

I pokazujem stvari onakve kakve jesu, od čega su sastavljene.

I peel back the layers and expose it.

Oljuštim slojeve i izložim ih.

And if it's well made I show it, if it's badly made I show it.

I ako je dobro napravljeno pokažem to, a ako je loše napravljeno pokažem i to.

And I'm sure Ross can associate that with design.

I siguran sam da Ross može povezati ovo s dizajnom.

The design comes from within.

Dizajn dolazi iznutra.

It's not just Topshop,

Nije samo površinski snimak.

I get some strange looks when I go out getting my props.

Neki ljudi me gledaju čudno kada odlazim van po svoje rekvizite.

Here I was fumbling around in the ladies' underwear department

Ovdje sam petljao u odjelu ženskog donjeg rublja

of a department store, almost got escorted from the premises.

robne kuće, i skoro bio ispraćen iz prostorija.

I live opposite a farm. And this was the runt of the litter, a piglet that died.

Živim nasuprot farme. I tu je bio najslabiji u leglu, praščić koji je uginio.

And what's really interesting is,

I ono što je stvarno zanimljivo je

if you look at the legs, you'll notice that the bones haven't fused.

da ako pogledate ove noge, primjetit ćete da se kosti nisu spojile.

And should that pig have grown,

I da je prase naraslo,

unfortunately it was dead, it would have certainly been dead

nažalost bilo je mrtvo, sigurno bi bilo mrtvo

after I X-rayed it, with the amount of radiation I used anyway.

poslije što sam ga snimio X-zrakama, s količinom zračenja koju sam koristio.

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But once the bones had fused together

Ali jednom kada se kosti spoje zajedno

it would have been healthy.

bilo bi zdravo.

So, that's an empty parka jacket.

Dakle, to je prazna jakna s kapuljačom.

But I quite love the way it's posed.

Ali mi se stvarno sviđa način na koji je namještena.

Nature is my greatest inspiration.

Priroda je moja najveća inspiracija.

And to carry on with a theme that we've already touched with

I nastavljajući s temom koju sam već dotakao

is how nature is related to architecture.

o odnosu prirode i arhitekture.

If you look at the roof of the Eden Project,

Ako pogledate krov Eden projekta,

or the British library, it's all this honeycomb structure.

ili Britanske knjižnice, sve je to struktura pčelinjeg saća.

And I'm sure those architects are inspired,

I siguran sam da su ti arhitekti bili inspirirani,

as I am, by what surrounds us, by nature.

kao i ja, onim što me okružuje, prirodom.

This, in fact, is a Victoria water lily leaf

Ovo je u stvari list Victorijinog lokvanja

that floats on the top of a pond.

koji pluta na površini jezerca.

An amaryllis flower looking really three-dimensional.

Cvijet amarilis izgleda vrlo trodimenzionalno.

Seaweed, ebbing in the tide.

Morska trava, opala u plimi.

Now, how do I do this, and where do I do this, and all of that sort of thing.

Sada, kako ja ovo radim, gdje ovo radim, i takve stvari.

This is my new, purpose-built, X-ray shed.

Ovo je moj novi, namjenski izgrađen, hangar

And the door to my X-ray room

I vrata do moje sobe za snimanje

is made of lead and steel.

su načinjena od olova i čelika.

It weighs 1,250 kilograms and the only exercise I get is opening and closing it.

Teška su 1,250 kilograma i jedina vježba koju radim je njihovo otvaranje i zatvaranje.

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The walls are 700 millimeters thick of solid dense concrete.

Zidovi su debeli 700 milimetara i oni su od čvrstog gustog betona.

So, I'm using quite a lot of radiation.

Dakle, koristim vrlo mnogo zračenja.

A lot more than you'd get in a hospital or a vet's.

Mnogo više nego u bolnicama ili kod veterinara.

And there I am. This is a quite high-powered X-ray machine.

I ovdje sam ja. Ovo je rendgen aparat prilično visoke snage.

What's interesting really about X-ray really

Ono što je stvarno zanimljivo kod rendgen aparata je da

is, if you think about it, is that that technology

ako razmislimo o tome da se ova tehnologija

is used for looking for cancer or looking for drugs,

upotrebljava pri potrazi za rakom ili drogom

or looking for contraband or whatever.

ili krijumčarenjem ili bilo čim.

And I use that sort of technology

I ja koristim tu vrstu tehnologije

to create things that are quite beautiful.

kako bi stvorio nešto sasvim lijepo.

So, still working with film, I'm afraid.

Stoga, još radim s snimkom, bojim se.

Technology in X-ray where it's life-size processed,

Tehnologija X-zraka gdje je obrađeno nešto u prirodnoj veličini,

apart from these large cargo-scanning machines,

osim ovih velikih kargo-skenera,

hasn't moved on enough for the quality of the image

nije napredovala dovoljno s kvalitetom slike

and the resolution to be good enough for what I want to do with it,

i rezolucijom da bi bila dovoljno dobra za ono što želim raditi s njom,

which is show my pictures big.

a to je pokazivati moje slike velikima.

So, I have to use a 1980s drum scanner,

Stoga, morao sam koristiti skener iz osamdesetih s valjkom,

which was designed in the days when everyone shot photographs on film.

koji je osmišljen u danima kad su svi snimali fotografije na tanku prevlaku.

They scan each individual X-ray.

Može se skenirati svaka zasebna slika X-zrakama.

And this shows how I do my process of same-size X-rays.

I ovo pokazuje kako obrađujem slike iste veličine.

So, this is, again, my daughter's dress.

Pa, ovo je, ponovno, haljina moje kćeri.

Still has the tag in it from me buying it,

Još ima etiketu na sebi od moje kupovine,

so I can take it back to the shop if she didn't like it.

tako da je mogu vratiti u trgovinu ako joj se ne svidi.

But there are four X-ray plates.

Ali ovdje su četiri lista snimki X-zrakama.

You can see them overlapping.

Možete vidjeti njihova preklapanja.

So, when you move forward from something fairly small,

Tako da, kada prijeđete s nečeg sasvim malenog,

a dress which is this size,

haljine ove veličine,

onto something like that which is done in exactly the same process,

na nešto kao ono što se radi na potpuno jednak način,

you can see that that is a lot of work.

shvaćate da je tu puno posla.

In fact, that is three months solid X-raying.

U stvari, to je više od tri mjeseca temeljitog snimanja X-zrakama.

There is over 500 separate components.

Ovo ima više od 500 odvojenih sastavnica.

Boeing sent me a 747 in containers.

Boing mi je poslao 747 upakiran.

And I sent them back an X-ray.

A ja sam im poslao rendgensku snimku.

(Laughter) I kid you not.

-- Ne šalim se.

Okay, so Frieda is my dead skeleton.

U redu, pa Frida je moj mrtvi kostur.

This, unfortunately, is basically two pictures.

Ovo,

One on the extreme right is a photograph of an American footballer.

sasvim desno je fotografija igrača američkog nogometa.

The one on the left is an x-ray.

Ova lijevo je rendgenska snimka.

But this time I had to use a real body.

Ali ovog puta sam morao koristiti pravo tijelo.

Because I needed all the skin tissue to make it look real,

Jer su sva kožna tkiva trebala izgledati stvarno,

to make it look like it was a real athlete.

kako bi izgledao kao da je to pravi sportaš.

So, here I had to use a recently deceased body.

Dakle, ovdje sam morao koristiti nedavno preminulo tijelo.

And getting a hold of that was extremely difficult and laborious.

I nabavljanje toga je iznimno teško i naporno.

But people do donate their bodies to art and science.

Ali ljudi doniraju svoja tijela umjetnosti i znanosti.

And when they do, I'm in the queue.

I kada to učine, ja sam na redu.

So, I like to use them.

Dakle, ja ih želim koristiti.

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The coloring, so coloring adds another level to the X-rays.

Bojanje, dakle bojanje dodaje još jednu razinu rendgenskim snimkama.

It makes it more organic, more natural.

Čini ih životnijima, prirodnijima.

It's whatever takes my fancy, really.

To je štogod zadobije moje simpatije, zaista.

It's not accurately colored to how it is in real life.

Nije ispravno obojeno kao što je u stvarnom životu.

That flower doesn't come in bright orange, I don't think.

Taj cvijet ne postoji u jarko narančastoj, ja mislim da ne.

But I just like it in bright orange.

Ali meni se sviđa jarko narančast.

And also with something technical, like these are DJ decks,

Isto tako s nečim tehničkim kao ovom DJ opremom,

it sort of adds another level.

na neki način dodaje novu dimenziju.

It makes a two dimensional image look more three dimensional.

Čini dvodimenzionalne slike da izgledaju više trodimenzionalnima.

The most difficult things to X-ray,

Najteže stvari za snimiti,

the most technically challenging things to X-ray

tehnički najizazovnije stvari za snimiti

are the lightest things, the most delicate things.

su najlakše stvari, najnježnije stvari.

To get the detail in a feather,

Kako bi snimili detalj pera,

believe me, if there is anyone out here who knows anything about X-rays,

vjerujte mi, ako postoji netko ovdje tko zna išta o X-zrakama,

that's quite a challenge.

zna da je to priličan izazov.

I'm now going to show you a short film, I'll step to the side.

Pokazat ću vam kratak film, stati ću sa strane.

Video: (Music)

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The thing in there is very dangerous.

Objekt unutra je vrlo opasan.

If you touch that, you could possibly die

Ako ga dotaknete mogli biste umrijeti

through radiation poisoning.

od trovanja zračenjem.

In my career I've had two exposures to radiation,

U mojoj karijeri dva puta sam bio izložen radijaciji,

which is two too many, because it stays with you for life.

što je dva previše, jer ostaje s vama čitavog života.

It's cumulative.

Zbirno je.

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It has human connotations.

Ima i sporedno značenje ljudima.

The fact that it's a child's toy that we all recognize,

Činjenica je da dječja igračka koju svi prepoznajemo,

but also it looks like it's a robot,

također izgleda kao da je robot,

and it comes from a sci-fi genus.

koji dolazi iz roda znanstvene fantastike.

It's a surprise that it has humanity,

Iznenađenje je da ima našu ljudskost,

but also man-made, future, alien associations.

ali također i ljudski načinjene, buduće, vanzemaljske poveznice.

And it's just a bit spooky.

Čak je pomalo zastrašujuća.

(Music)

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The bus was done with a cargo-scanning X-ray machine,

Autobus je snimljen kargo skenerom,

which is used on the borders

koji se koristi na granicama

between countries, looking for contraband and illegal immigrants.

između zemalja, u potrazi za krijumčarenom robom i ilegalnim imigrantima.

The lorry goes in front of it. And it takes slices

Teretna kola prolaze ispred nje. I on snima režnjeve

of X-rays through the lorry.

X-zrakama kroz teretna kola.

And that's how this was done. It's actually slice, slice.

I tako je zaista rađeno. To je u stvari prerez, prerez.

It's a bit like a CT scanner in a hospital. Slices.

Donekle je slično CT-u u bolnicama. Slojevi.

And then if you look carefully, there is all little things.

I ako pogldate pažljivo, tu su sve sitne stvari.

He's got headphones on, reading the newspaper,

On ima slušalice, čita novine,

got a hat on, glasses, got a bag.

ovaj ima šešir na glavi, ima torbu.

So, these little details

I, te sitne pojedinosti

help to make it work, make it real.

pomažu da ovo uspije, da izgleda stvarno.

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The problem with using living people is that

Poteškoća u korištenju živih ljudi je u tome što

to take an X-ray, if I X-ray you, you get exposed to radiation.

da bi se snimio rendgenski snimak, ako vas ja snimim, vi ste izloženi zračenju.

So, to avoid that --

Pa, kako bi izbjegao to,

I have to avoid it somehow --

a moram to nekako izbjeći,

is I use dead people.

koristim mrtvace.

Now, that's a variety of things, from recently deceased bodies,

Sada, postoji mnoštvo stvari, od nedavno preminulih tijela,

to a skeleton that was used by student radiographers

do kostura koji su koristili studenti radiografije

to train in taking X-rays of the human body,

za vježbu snimanja ljudskog tijela X-zrakama,

at different densities.

na različitim gustoćama.

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I have very high-tech equipment of gloves, scissors and a bucket.

Imam vrlo visoko-tehnološku opremu: rukavice, škare i kantu.

(Music)

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I will show how the capillary action works, how it feeds,

Pokazat ću kako radi kapilarnost, kako hrani,

I'll be able to get all the cells inside that stem.

biti ću u mogućnosti vidjeti sve stanice unutar ove stabljike.

Because it transfers food from its roots to its leaves.

Jer ona prenosi hranu od svojih korijena do listova.

Look at this monster.

Izgleda kao čudovište.

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It's so basic. It just grows wild.

Vrlo je jednostavna. Raste divlja.

That's what I really like about it,

To je ono što mi se zaista sviđa kod nje,

the fact that I haven't got to go and buy it,

to što ne moram ići u kupiti je,

and it hasn't been genetically modified at all.

i nije nimalo genetički promijenjena.

It's just happening.

Samo se događa.

And the X-ray shows how beautiful nature can be.

I snimke X-zrakama pokazuju koliko priroda može biti lijepa.

Not that that is particularly beautiful

Ne da je ovo izrazito lijepo

when you look at it with the human eye,

kada ga pogledate ljudskim okom,

the way the leaves form. They're curling back on each other.

način na koji su listovi oblikovani. Uvijaju se natrag jedan na drugog.

So the X-ray will show the overlaps in these little corners.

I rendgenska snimka pokazuje preklapanja tih malih rubova.

The thicker the object, the more radiation it needs,

Što je objekt deblji, više zračenja mu je potrebno,

and the more time it needs.

i više vremena je potrebno.

The lighter the object, the less radiation.

Što je objekt lakši, manje je zračenja.

Sometimes you keep the time up, because the time gives you detail.

Nekad čekaš određeno vrijeme, jer ti vrijeme daje detalje.

The longer the exposure goes on for,

Što dulje traje izlaganje

the more detail you get.

više detalja se vidi.

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If you look at this, just the tube,

Ako pogledate ovo, to je samo cijev,

it is quite bright.

i vrlo je svijetla.

But I could get a bit darker in the tube, but everything else would suffer.

I moga bi dobiti nešto tamniju sliku u cijevi, ali sve ostalo bi patilo.

So, these leaves at the edge would start to disappear.

Dakle, ovi listovi na rubu bi počeli nestajati.

What I like is how hard the edges are,

A ono što mi se dopada je kako su čvrsti rubovi,

how sharp.

kako oštri.

Yeah, I'm quite pleased with it.

Da, zaista sam zadovoljam time.

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I travel beyond the surface and show

Putujem ispod površine i pokazujem

something for what it's worth,

ono što je vrijedno,

for what it's really made of, how it really works.

ono od čega je stvoreno, kako zbilja radi.

But also I find that

Ali također smatram

I've got the benefit of taking away all the surface,

da imam prednost oduzeti cijelu površinu,

which is things that people are used to seeing.

što je ono što su ljudi navikli vidjeti.

And that's the sort of thing I've been doing.

I takve stvati sam radio.

I've got the opportunity now to show you

Imam vam priliku pokazati

what I'm going to be doing in the future.

što ću raditi u budućnosti.

This is a commercial application of my most recent work.

Ovo je trgovačka primjena mog najnovijeg rada.

And what's good about this, I think, is that it's like a moment in time,

I ono što je dobro kod nje, mislim da je to što je poput trenutka u vremenu,

like you've turned around, you've got X-ray vision

kao da ste ste se okrenuli, imate vid X-zrakama

and you've taken a picture with the X-ray camera.

i kao da ste slikali s rendgenskim fotoaparatom.

Unfortunately I haven't got X-ray vision.

Nažalost, nemam vid X-zrakama.

I do dream in X-ray. I see my projects in my sleep.

Ali sanjam u X-zrakama.Vidim moje zamisli u snu.

And I know what they're going to look like in X-ray and I'm not far off.

I znam kako će izgledati kao snimke i ne griješim mnogo.

So, what am I doing in the future?

I, što ću raditi u budućnosti?

Well, this year is the 50th anniversary

Pa, ove godine je pedeseta godišnjica

of Issigonis's Mini, which is one of my favorite cars.

Issigonijevog minija, koji je jedno od meni najdražih automobila.

So, I've taken it apart, component by component,

Pa sam ga rastavio, dio po dio,

months and months and months of work.

mjeseci i mjeseci i mjeseci rada.

And with this image, I'm going to be displaying

I ovom slikom, koju ću izložiti

it in the Victoria and Albert Museum

u muzeju Viktorija i Albert

as a light box, which is actually attached to the car.

kao rasvjetnu kutiju, pričvršćenu za auto.

So, I've got to saw the car in half, down the middle,

Dakle, morao sam prepiliti auto na pola, dolje po sredini,

not an easy task, in itself.

što samo po sebi nije bio lak zadatak.

And then, so you can get in the driver's side, sit down,

I tada, kako bi se moglo doći na vozačevu stranu, sjesti,

and up against you is a wall.

i nasloniti se na zid.

And if you get out and walk around to the other side of the car,

I ako izađete i odete na drugu stranu auta,

you see a life-sized light box of the car showing you how it works.

možete vidjeti rasvjetnu kutiju stvarne veličine auta koja pokazuje kako radi.

And I'm going to take that idea

I uzeti ću tu ideju

and apply it to other sort of iconic things from my life.

i primjeniti je na ostale ikone u mom životu.

Like, my first computer was a big movement in my life.

Na primjer, moje prvo računalo je bio veliki preokret u mom životu.

And I had a Mac Classic. And it's a little box.

I imao sam Mac Classic. I to je mala kutija.

And I think that would look quite neat as an X-ray.

Mislim da će izgledati prikladno pomoću X-zraka.

I'm also looking to

Također promatram i ideju

take my work from the two-dimensional form

da učinim svoj rad iz dvodimenzionalnog

to a more three-dimensional form.

u više trodimenzionalan oblik.

And this is quite a good way of doing it.

I to je prilično dobar način izvođenja.

I'm also working now with X-ray video.

Također radim i na videu X-zrakama.

So, if you can imagine, some of these flowers,

Pa, ako možete zamisliti, neke od ovih cvjetova,

and they're actually moving and growing

kako se zbilja kreću i rastu

and you can film that in X-ray, should be quite stunning.

i kako to možete snimiti X-zrakama, trebalo bi biti zapanjujuće.

But that's it. I'm done. Thank you very much.

Ali to je to. Gotov sam. Hvala vam najljepša.

(Applause)

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