Why it's worth listening to people you disagree with | Zachary R. Wood
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翻译人员: Thomas Tam
校对人员: jacks peng
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In 1994,
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1994年,
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Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein
coauthored "The Bell Curve,"
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查尔斯‧默里与理查德‧赫恩斯坦
合著了《 钟形曲线 》,
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an extremely controversial book
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一本非常具有争议性的书,
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which claims that on average,
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书中声称,平均来说,
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some races are smarter
and more likely to succeed than others.
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有些种族比其他种族更聪明,
更容易取得成功。
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Murray and Herrnstein also suggest
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默里和赫恩斯坦也提出,
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that a lack of critical intelligence
explains the prominence of violent crime
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缺乏批判性的智慧,
是贫穷的非裔美国人社区中的
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in poor African-American communities.
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暴力犯罪频繁发生的根源。
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But Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein
are not the only people who think this.
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他们并不是唯一持有这种想法的人。
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In 2012,
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2012 年,
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a writer, journalist and political
commentator named John Derbyshire
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身兼作家、记者和
政治评论员的约翰‧德比希尔,
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wrote an article that was supposed to be
a non-black version of the talk
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写了一篇原本面向
非黑人族群的文章,
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that many black parents feel
they have to give their kids today:
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而如今,该文章也成为
黑人父母建议孩子们
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advice on how to stay safe.
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如何保证自身安全的忠告。
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In it, he offered suggestions such as:
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在文章中,他提出了如下建议:
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"Do not attend events
likely to draw a lot of blacks,"
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“不要参加可能会
吸引很多黑人的活动 ”,
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"Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods"
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“ 远离有大量黑人的社区 ”,
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and "Do not act the Good Samaritan
to blacks in distress."
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和“别太乐善好施,
主动帮助困境中的黑人”。
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And yet, in 2016,
I invited John Derbyshire
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而在 2016 年,我邀请了约翰‧德比希尔,
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as well as Charles Murray
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还有查尔斯‧默里
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to speak at my school,
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来我的学校演讲,
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knowing full well that I would
be giving them a platform and attention
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他们完全清楚,我会提供
他们一个平台和关注度,
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for ideas that I despised and rejected.
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去表达他们那些令我
鄙视和排斥的想法。
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But this is just a further evolution
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这只是令人不舒服的
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of a journey of uncomfortable learning
throughout my life.
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人生成长之旅的一个新篇章。
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When I was 10 years old, my mother
was diagnosed with schizophrenia,
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我10岁时,母亲
被诊断患有精神分裂症,
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a mental illness characterized
by mood swings and paranoid delusions.
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一种以情绪波动和
偏执妄想为特征的精神疾病。
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Throughout my life, my mother's rage
would turn our small house
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在我的整个生活中,
母亲的愤怒会让我们的小房子
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into a minefield.
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变成一个雷区。
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Yet, though I feared
her rage on a daily basis,
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尽管我每天都在恐惧她的愤怒,
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I also learned so much from her.
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但也从她那里学到了很多东西。
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Our relationship was complicated
and challenging,
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我们的关系既复杂又富挑战性,
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and at the age of 14, it was decided
that I needed to live apart from her.
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在14岁时,我决定离开她独自生活。
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But over the years,
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但这些年来,
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I've come to appreciate
some of the important lessons
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我变得开始感激母亲给予
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my mother taught me about life.
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我的关于人生的教训。
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She was the first person who spoke to me
about learning from the other side.
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她是第一个教我
从对立方那里学习的人。
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And she, like me, was born and raised
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和我一样,她出生并长大在
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in a family of committed
liberal democrats.
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一个自由的民主党家庭之中。
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Yet, she encouraged me to see the world
and the issues our world faces
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她鼓励我去认识到
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as complex, controversial
and ever-changing.
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世界是复杂的,
充满争议和不断变化的。
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One day, I came across
the phrase "affirmative action"
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有一天,我在一本书中看到了
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in a book I was reading.
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“平权运动 ”一词。
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And when I asked her what the term meant,
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当我问她是什么意思时,
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she spent what felt like an hour
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她居然花了一小时
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giving me a thorough
and thoughtful explanation
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做出了一个彻底的,
深思熟虑的解释,
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that would make sense to a small child.
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而且对一个小孩来说并不难理解。
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She even made the topic sound
at least as interesting
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她甚至让这个话题听起来很有趣,
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as any of my professors have.
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不亚于学校教授的讲解。
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She explained the many reasons
why people of various political views
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她解释了持有不同政治观点的
人们挑战和支持
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challenge and support affirmative action,
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平权运动的各种原因,
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stressing that, while she strongly
supported it herself,
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她强调自己强烈支持平权运动,
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it was important for me to view the issue
as a controversial one
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意识到这个具有争议的问题
对我来说是很重要的,
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with a long history,
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它有着悠久的历史,
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a questionable future
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充满疑点未来,
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and a host of complicating factors.
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和一系列复杂的因素。
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While affirmative action can increase
the presence of minorities
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平权运动可以增加少数族裔
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at elite educational institutions,
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在精英教育机构学习的机会,
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she felt that it could also disadvantage
hardworking people of different races
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也可能不利于来自富裕家庭的
那些努力学习的
不同族裔的人。
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from more affluent backgrounds.
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My mom wanted me to understand
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妈妈想让我明白
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that I should never
just write off opinions
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绝不该简单忽视
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that I disagreed with or disliked,
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不喜欢或不赞同的意见,
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because there was always something
to learn from the perspectives of others,
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因为站在别人的角度,
总能学到新的东西,
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even when doing so might be difficult.
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尽管很难做到这一点。
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But life at home with my mom
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单与妈妈在家的生活
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was not the only aspect of my journey
that has been formative and uncomfortable.
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并不是我人生旅途中的唯一
塑造性的,让我感到不适的方面。
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In fourth grade, she decided
that I should attend a private school
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四年级时,她决定要我上私立学校,
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in order to receive
the best education possible.
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以尽可能接受更好的教育。
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As a black student attending
predominantly white private schools,
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作为就读于以白人为主的
私立学校中的黑人学生,
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I've encountered attitudes and behaviors
that reflected racial stereotypes.
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我遇到了带有种族偏见的
态度和行为。
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Several of my friends' parents
assumed within minutes of meeting me
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学校里几位朋友的父母
在见到我几分钟之后就认定
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that my best skill was playing basketball.
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我最好的本领只是打篮球。
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And it really upset me to think
that my race made it harder for them
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让我不安的是,
种族偏见使他们很难
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to see me as a student who loved
reading, writing and speaking.
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把我看作是一个喜爱
阅读,写作和演讲的学生。
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Experiences like this motivated me
to work tirelessly
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像这样的经历,
激励着我孜孜不倦地工作,
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to disprove what I knew
people had assumed.
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来反驳对我错误的假设。
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My mother even said that,
in order to put my best foot forward,
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母亲甚至说,如果想要
给人留下良好的印象,
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I had to be patient, alert
and excruciatingly well-mannered.
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我必须耐心,警惕,
而且要异常的彬彬有礼。
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To prove that I belonged,
I had to show poise and confidence,
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为了证明我的能力,
我必须表现出平和与自信,
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the ability to speak well
and listen closely.
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有较强的表达能力,并善于倾听。
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Only then would my peers see
that I deserved to be there
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只有到那时,我的同龄人才会看到
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as much as they did.
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我与他们并没有分别。
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Despite this racial stereotyping
and the discomfort I often felt,
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尽管我经常感到种族偏见
和对环境的不适应,
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the learning I gained from other aspects
of being at an elite private school
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但我却从私立精英学校的
其他方面学到了
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were incredibly valuable.
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非常有价值的东西。
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I was encouraged by my teachers
to explore my curiosity,
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老师鼓励我开发内在的好奇心,
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to challenge myself in new ways
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以新的方式挑战自己,
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and to deepen my understanding
of subjects that fascinated me the most.
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努力探究令我着迷的主题。
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And going to college was the next step.
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下一步是大学。
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I was excited to take my intellectual
drive and interest in the world of ideas
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我很高兴能够把对待
各种想法的动力和兴趣
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to the next level.
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带到更高的层次。
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I was eager to engage in lively debate
with peers and professors
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我很渴望能与同学,教授
和外部发言人
进行热烈的辩论;
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and with outside speakers;
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to listen, to learn and gain
a deeper understanding of myself
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倾听、学习并对自己和其他人
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and of others.
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有更深入的理解。
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While I was fortunate to meet
peers and professors
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虽然我有幸遇到了有相同兴趣的
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who were interested
in doing the same thing,
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同学和教授,
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my desire to engage with difficult ideas
was also met with resistance.
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我渴望参与争议性课题的
渴望却遭遇了阻力。
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To prepare myself to engage
with controversy in the real world,
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为了准备在现实世界中
与争议进行对抗,
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I joined a group that brought
controversial speakers to campus.
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我加入了一个将有争议的
演讲人带入校园的小组。
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But many people fiercely
opposed this group,
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但很多人强烈的反对这个团体,
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and I received significant pushback
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我遇到了来自学生,教师和
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from students, faculty
and my administration.
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校方行政部门方面的巨大阻力。
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For many, it was difficult to see
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对很多人来说,遇到冲突时,
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how bringing controversial
speakers to campus could be valuable,
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很难认识到将有争议的
演讲者带进校园,
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when they caused harm.
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其实是利大于弊。
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And it was disappointing to me
facing personal attacks,
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当面对个人攻击,
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having my administration cancel speakers
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当校方取消了对演讲人的邀请,
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and hearing my intentions
distorted by those around me.
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当我的意图被周围的人扭曲,
这一切都让我倍感失望。
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My work also hurt the feelings of many,
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我明白自己做的事情
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and I understood that.
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伤害了很多人的感受。
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Of course, no one likes being offended,
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当然,没有人喜欢被冒犯,
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and I certainly don't like hearing
controversial speakers
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我当然也不喜欢听到
有争议的演讲者
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argue that feminism has become
a war against men
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认为女性主义是一场对男性的战争,
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or that blacks have lower IQs than whites.
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或者黑人的智商比白人低。
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I also understand
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我也明白
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that some people have experienced
traumatic experiences in their lives.
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有些人在生活中经历了巨大的创伤。
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And for some, listening to offensive views
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听到这些冒犯的观点,
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can be like reliving the very traumas
that they've worked so hard to overcome.
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就如同重温曾经努力克服的创伤。
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Many argue that by giving
these people a platform,
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许多人认为给极具争议的人
提供平台来发声,
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you're doing more harm than good,
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是弊大于利的,
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and I'm reminded of this every time
I listen to these points of view
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但每次我听到这样的提醒,
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and feel my stomach turn.
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都感到很痛心。
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Yet, tuning out opposing viewpoints
doesn't make them go away,
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压制反对观点并不会让意见消失,
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because millions of people
agree with them.
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因为它们背后仍有数百万的支持者。
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In order to understand
the potential of society
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为了了解社会向前
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to progress forward,
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迈进的潜力,
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we need to understand the counterforces.
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我们需要了解反面的力量。
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By engaging with controversial
and offensive ideas,
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通过参与带有争议和冒犯的想法,
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I believe that we can find common ground,
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我相信我们可以找到共同的基础,
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if not with the speakers themselves,
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如果不来自演讲者本身,
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then with the audiences
they may attract or indoctrinate.
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就会来自被他们所吸引
或感化的观众。
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Through engaging, I believe
that we may reach a better understanding,
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通过积极参与,我相信我们
彼此间可以达成更好的理解,
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a deeper understanding,
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更深入地了解
各自的信仰,
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of our own beliefs
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08:01
and preserve the ability
to solve problems,
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并保留解决问题的能力,
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which we can't do
if we don't talk to each other
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如果我们彼此间不能坦诚交流,
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and make an effort to be good listeners.
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不能耐心地倾听他人,
就没法做到这一点。
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But soon after I announced
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但在我宣布约翰‧德比希尔
08:13
that John Derbyshire
would be speaking on campus,
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将在校园发表演讲后不久,
社交媒体上就出现了
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student backlash erupted on social media.
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学生们铺天盖地的反对之声。
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The tide of resistance,
in fact, was so intense,
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抵制的情绪如此激烈,
08:22
that my college president
rescinded the invitation.
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我们大学的校长不得不
取消了这次邀请。
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I was deeply disappointed by this
because, as I saw it,
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我为此深感失望,因为这样一来,
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there would be nothing
that any of my peers or I could do
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我和我的任何同学都无法做到
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to silence someone who agreed with him
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在未来的工作环境中
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in the office environment
of our future employers.
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让赞同他的人保持沉默。
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I look out at what's happening
on college campuses,
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我在大学校园发生的事情中
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and I see the anger.
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看到了愤怒。
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And I get it.
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我非常理解。
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But what I wish I could tell people
is that it's worth the discomfort,
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但我希望告诉人们的是,
这种令人不适的体验是值得的,
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it's worth listening,
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去聆听是有意义的,
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and that we're stronger,
not weaker, because of it.
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这样并不会削弱我们的力量,
反而会让我们更强大。
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When I think about my experiences
with uncomfortable learning,
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当我想到过去那些
不愉快的学习经历时,
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and I reflect upon them,
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我认真进行了反思,
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I've found that it's been very difficult
to change the values
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发现要改变自己身处的知识界
存在的偏见,是非常困难的。
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of the intellectual community
that I've been a part of.
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09:10
But I do feel a sense of hope
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但我感到还有希望,
09:12
when I think about the individual
interactions that I've been able to have
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当我想到跟学生的个人互动时,
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with students who both support
the work that I'm doing
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他们有的支持,有的拿不定主意,
09:18
and who feel challenged by it
and who do not support it.
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还有的表示了反对。
09:23
What I've found is that,
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我发现,
09:24
while it can be difficult to change
the values of a community,
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尽管很难去改变整个社区的价值观,
09:27
we can gain a lot
from individual interactions.
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但个人互动可以让我们受益匪浅。
09:31
While I didn't get to engage
with John Derbyshire
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由于校长取消了我的邀请,
09:34
due to my president's disinvitation,
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我无缘与约翰‧德比希尔会面,
09:36
I was able to have dinner
with Charles Murray before his talk.
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但在查尔斯‧默里的演讲之前,
我可以和他共进晚餐。
09:42
I knew the conversation
would be difficult.
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我知道这个谈话会很困难,
09:44
And I didn't expect it to be pleasant.
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也没奢望这个过程会是愉快的。
09:47
But it was cordial, and I did gain
a deeper understanding of his arguments.
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但事实上,谈话的气氛非常热情友好,
我对他的论点也有了更深入的理解。
09:53
I found that he, like me,
believed in creating a more just society.
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我发现他和我一样,
想建立一个更加公正的社会。
09:58
The thing is, his understanding
of what justice entailed
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问题是,他理解的正义
10:02
was very different from my own.
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与我自己的理解非常不同。
10:04
The way in which he wanted
to understand the issue,
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他看问题的方式,
10:07
the way in which he wanted
to approach the issue of inequality
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解决不平等问题的方式
10:10
also differed from my own.
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也与我不同。
10:12
And I found that his understanding
of issues like welfare
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我发现他对福利等问题和
10:15
and affirmative action
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平权行动的理解,
10:17
was tied and deeply rooted
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深深根植并被束缚于
10:19
in his understanding of various
libertarian and conservative beliefs,
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他的自由主义和保守的信仰中,
10:23
what diminishes and increases
their presence in our society.
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什么因素会减少和增加
他们在社会中的存在感。
10:27
While he expressed
his viewpoints eloquently,
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虽然他雄辩地表达了自己的观点,
10:30
I remained thoroughly unconvinced.
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我却始终不敢苟同。
10:32
But I did walk away
with a deeper understanding.
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但对此我的确有了更深的了解。
10:36
It's my belief
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这是我的信念,
10:39
that to achieve progress
in the face of adversity,
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为了在逆境中取得进步,
10:43
we need a genuine commitment
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我们需要一个真正的承诺,
10:46
to gaining a deeper
understanding of humanity.
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深入了解人性。
10:50
I'd like to see a world with more leaders
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我希望可以看到一个
10:52
who are familiar with
the depths of the views
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有更多领导者能深度了解
10:54
of those they deeply disagree with,
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对立群体的意见的世界。
10:58
so that they can understand the nuances
of everyone they're representing.
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这样他们就能够理解
所代表的每个人的细微差别。
11:03
I see this as an ongoing process
involving constant learning,
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这是一个持续不断的学习过程,
11:07
and I'm confident that I'll be able
to add value down the line
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而我相信,如果继续
构建我的同理心和理解,
11:11
if I continue building empathy
and understanding
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并投身学习自己所
不了解的那些观点,
11:13
through engaging
with unfamiliar perspectives.
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我就能够为此贡献自己的一份力量。
11:16
Thank you.
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谢谢。
11:17
(Applause)
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