Why it's worth listening to people you disagree with | Zachary R. Wood
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譯者: Chen Chi-An
審譯者: Yanyan Hong
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In 1994,
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1994 年,
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Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein
coauthored "The Bell Curve,"
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查爾斯·莫里
和理察·赫恩斯坦
共同寫下了《鐘形曲線》,
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an extremely controversial book
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這是本非常有爭議的書,
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which claims that on average,
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聲稱平均而言,
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some races are smarter
and more likely to succeed than others.
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有些種族比較聰明,
也較容易成功。
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Murray and Herrnstein also suggest
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莫里和赫恩斯坦也暗指
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that a lack of critical intelligence
explains the prominence of violent crime
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智力明顯較低的情況
能解釋為什麼大部分的暴力犯罪
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in poor African-American communities.
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發生在貧窮的非裔美籍社區。
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But Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein
are not the only people who think this.
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查爾斯·莫里和理察·赫恩斯坦
不是唯一這樣想的人。
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In 2012,
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2012 年,
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a writer, journalist and political
commentator named John Derbyshire
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身兼作家、記者
和政治評論員的德比夏爾
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wrote an article that was supposed to be
a non-black version of the talk
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寫篇文章給非黑人族群,
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that many black parents feel
they have to give their kids today:
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但許多黑人父母覺得
這也適用於他們的小孩:
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advice on how to stay safe.
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保持安全的建議。
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In it, he offered suggestions such as:
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文章中,他說例如:
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"Do not attend events
likely to draw a lot of blacks,"
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「別參加可能吸引
一群黑人的活動。」
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"Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods"
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「離黑人多的社區遠一點。」
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and "Do not act the Good Samaritan
to blacks in distress."
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及「別對處在
急難之中的黑人太好心。」
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And yet, in 2016,
I invited John Derbyshire
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而 2016 年,我邀請德比夏爾
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as well as Charles Murray
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和查爾斯·莫里
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to speak at my school,
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來我的學校演講,
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knowing full well that I would
be giving them a platform and attention
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他們完全清楚,我會給他們舞台,
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for ideas that I despised and rejected.
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讓他們說那些我鄙視
和我拒絕的想法。
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But this is just a further evolution
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但這只是我人生中
不舒服學習的演變。
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of a journey of uncomfortable learning
throughout my life.
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When I was 10 years old, my mother
was diagnosed with schizophrenia,
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當我十歲時,我媽
被診斷思覺失調症,
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a mental illness characterized
by mood swings and paranoid delusions.
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這是一種精神疾病,
特徵是情緒波動和偏執妄想。
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Throughout my life, my mother's rage
would turn our small house
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我人生中,媽媽的憤怒
會把我們的小屋
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into a minefield.
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變成地雷區。
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Yet, though I feared
her rage on a daily basis,
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儘管我對她每天的憤怒感到害怕,
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I also learned so much from her.
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我也從她那學到很多。
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Our relationship was complicated
and challenging,
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我們的關係複雜且有挑戰性,
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and at the age of 14, it was decided
that I needed to live apart from her.
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我 14 歲時,
被判定必須和她分開住。
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But over the years,
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幾年後,我開始欣賞
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I've come to appreciate
some of the important lessons
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我媽教我的那些
有關人生的重要課程。
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my mother taught me about life.
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She was the first person who spoke to me
about learning from the other side.
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她是第一個跟我說
要從反面學習的人,
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And she, like me, was born and raised
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她跟我一樣,出身在
一個自由民主的家庭裡。
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in a family of committed
liberal democrats.
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Yet, she encouraged me to see the world
and the issues our world faces
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然而,她鼓勵我把世界
及世界上正面對的問題
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as complex, controversial
and ever-changing.
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看作複雜、有爭議及不斷變動的。
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One day, I came across
the phrase "affirmative action"
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有天,我在一本書中看到
「平權行動」這詞,
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in a book I was reading.
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And when I asked her what the term meant,
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當我問我媽這是什麼意思,
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she spent what felt like an hour
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她說了彷彿一小時
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giving me a thorough
and thoughtful explanation
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給我一個完整及深刻的解釋,
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that would make sense to a small child.
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而這能讓小朋友理解。
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She even made the topic sound
at least as interesting
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她甚至讓這題目聽起來
至少和我的教授上課一樣有趣。
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as any of my professors have.
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She explained the many reasons
why people of various political views
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她解釋許多原因,
為什麼不同政治觀點的人
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challenge and support affirmative action,
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挑戰或支持平權運動,
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stressing that, while she strongly
supported it herself,
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她強調,雖然她很堅持自己的主張,
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it was important for me to view the issue
as a controversial one
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但同時很重要的,是把這議題
看成一個長期的爭議、
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with a long history,
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a questionable future
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一個有疑慮的未來
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and a host of complicating factors.
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及一系列複雜的因素。
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While affirmative action can increase
the presence of minorities
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儘管平權運動能增加弱勢族群
在精英教育機構的比例,
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at elite educational institutions,
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she felt that it could also disadvantage
hardworking people of different races
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她認為這也對不同族群、
來自富裕背景的努力人士不利。
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from more affluent backgrounds.
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My mom wanted me to understand
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我媽希望我了解,
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that I should never
just write off opinions
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我不該總是只寫下不同意
或不喜歡的意見,
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that I disagreed with or disliked,
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because there was always something
to learn from the perspectives of others,
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因為人總能從不同觀點學到東西,
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even when doing so might be difficult.
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儘管這麼做可能很難。
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But life at home with my mom
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和我媽相處的時光,
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was not the only aspect of my journey
that has been formative and uncomfortable.
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不是唯一造就我又令我
感到不舒服的過程。
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In fourth grade, she decided
that I should attend a private school
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四年級時,她決定讓我讀私立學校,
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in order to receive
the best education possible.
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如此我能得到最好的教育機會;
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As a black student attending
predominantly white private schools,
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身為黑人學生,進入
白人為主的私立學校,
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I've encountered attitudes and behaviors
that reflected racial stereotypes.
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我面對一些反映了種族
刻板印象的態度和行為。
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Several of my friends' parents
assumed within minutes of meeting me
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有很多我朋友的爸媽
才見到我幾分鐘,
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that my best skill was playing basketball.
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就假定我最擅長的是籃球,
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And it really upset me to think
that my race made it harder for them
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這讓我很挫折,因為
種族因素使其他人
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to see me as a student who loved
reading, writing and speaking.
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認為我喜愛閱讀、書寫
和演講難以想像。
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Experiences like this motivated me
to work tirelessly
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這種經驗激發我不眠不休的工作,
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to disprove what I knew
people had assumed.
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來推翻別人的成見。
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My mother even said that,
in order to put my best foot forward,
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我媽甚至說,為了更加往前邁進,
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I had to be patient, alert
and excruciatingly well-mannered.
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我要有耐心、機警及行為極為端正。
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To prove that I belonged,
I had to show poise and confidence,
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為了證明我並非圈外人,
我要展現優雅和自信,
以及表達和傾聽的能力。
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the ability to speak well
and listen closely.
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只有這樣我的同儕才會認為
我和他們一樣夠格待在那裡。
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Only then would my peers see
that I deserved to be there
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as much as they did.
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Despite this racial stereotyping
and the discomfort I often felt,
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儘管經常感到種族刻板印象和不適,
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the learning I gained from other aspects
of being at an elite private school
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我在菁英私立學校裡
學到不同的觀點,
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were incredibly valuable.
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而這非常有價值。
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I was encouraged by my teachers
to explore my curiosity,
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我的老師鼓勵我探索感興趣的事物、
用新方式挑戰自我,
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to challenge myself in new ways
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and to deepen my understanding
of subjects that fascinated me the most.
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並增進有興趣科目的知識。
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And going to college was the next step.
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進大學是下一步。
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I was excited to take my intellectual
drive and interest in the world of ideas
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我很開心能把思想動力和興趣
帶進思想界的下一階段,
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to the next level.
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我渴望參與和同儕及教授的討論,
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I was eager to engage in lively debate
with peers and professors
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and with outside speakers;
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以及和外來的講者對談,
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to listen, to learn and gain
a deeper understanding of myself
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去聽、去學、以及更深刻
了解自我和他人。
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and of others.
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While I was fortunate to meet
peers and professors
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然而當幸運遇見喜歡
做同樣事情的同儕和教授時,
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who were interested
in doing the same thing,
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my desire to engage with difficult ideas
was also met with resistance.
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我投入困難想法的渴望
也碰到了阻力。
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To prepare myself to engage
with controversy in the real world,
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為了準備好自己參與
真實世界的矛盾,
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I joined a group that brought
controversial speakers to campus.
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我加入一個團體,
他們邀請爭議講者進校園,
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But many people fiercely
opposed this group,
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但許多人強烈反對這個團體,
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and I received significant pushback
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而我遭受巨大阻力,
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from students, faculty
and my administration.
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那些從學生、教職員
及行政部門來的阻力。
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For many, it was difficult to see
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對許多人來說,很難了解
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how bringing controversial
speakers to campus could be valuable,
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把爭議講者帶進校園的價值,
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when they caused harm.
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因為他們可能造成傷害;
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And it was disappointing to me
facing personal attacks,
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對我來說,我很失望
要面對人身攻擊,
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having my administration cancel speakers
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行政部門取消講者
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and hearing my intentions
distorted by those around me.
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並聽聞那些被旁人扭曲的初衷。
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My work also hurt the feelings of many,
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我的工作也傷害很多人的感受,
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and I understood that.
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我知道的。
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Of course, no one likes being offended,
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當然,沒人喜歡被冒犯,
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and I certainly don't like hearing
controversial speakers
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我絕對不喜歡聽到爭議講者
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argue that feminism has become
a war against men
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爭論女性主義已經變成
一場對男人的戰爭,
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or that blacks have lower IQs than whites.
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或是黑人比白人智商低的言論。
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I also understand
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我也了解,
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that some people have experienced
traumatic experiences in their lives.
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有些人經歷過創傷經驗。
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And for some, listening to offensive views
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對有些人來說,聽到冒犯性的觀點
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can be like reliving the very traumas
that they've worked so hard to overcome.
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就像重新經歷創傷,
那些他們努力克服的創傷。
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Many argue that by giving
these people a platform,
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許多人爭論給這些人
舞台是弊大於利,
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you're doing more harm than good,
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and I'm reminded of this every time
I listen to these points of view
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每當我聽到這個觀點
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and feel my stomach turn.
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就覺得很反胃。
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Yet, tuning out opposing viewpoints
doesn't make them go away,
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然而,屏除反對觀點在外
並不會讓它消失,
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because millions of people
agree with them.
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因為仍有上百萬人認同。
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In order to understand
the potential of society
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為了理解社會邁向進步的潛能,
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to progress forward,
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we need to understand the counterforces.
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我們要了解反對的力量。
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By engaging with controversial
and offensive ideas,
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藉由探討有爭議和有攻擊性的想法,
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I believe that we can find common ground,
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我相信我們能找到共同點,
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if not with the speakers themselves,
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除了演講者本身,
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then with the audiences
they may attract or indoctrinate.
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也包括被他們吸引
或灌輸觀念的觀眾。
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Through engaging, I believe
that we may reach a better understanding,
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藉由參與,我相信我們能
更加且更深入的了解
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a deeper understanding,
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of our own beliefs
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各自的想法,
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and preserve the ability
to solve problems,
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以及維持解決問題的能力,
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which we can't do
if we don't talk to each other
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我們不能解決問題,
如果不和彼此溝通
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and make an effort to be good listeners.
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又不努力成為好聽眾。
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But soon after I announced
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但在我宣布
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that John Derbyshire
would be speaking on campus,
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德比夏爾要來校園演講不久,
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student backlash erupted on social media.
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學生在社交媒體上反彈,
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The tide of resistance,
in fact, was so intense,
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事實上,抵抗潮非常強烈,
08:22
that my college president
rescinded the invitation.
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我大學校長因此取消邀請。
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I was deeply disappointed by this
because, as I saw it,
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對此我很失望,因為我發現,
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there would be nothing
that any of my peers or I could do
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在我們未來雇主的辦公環境中,
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to silence someone who agreed with him
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我的同儕或我都無法讓
與校長持有相同意見的人沉默。
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in the office environment
of our future employers.
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I look out at what's happening
on college campuses,
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當我看看大學校園
發生了什麼事時,
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and I see the anger.
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我看到憤怒,
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And I get it.
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且領受到了,
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But what I wish I could tell people
is that it's worth the discomfort,
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但我希望跟大家說,
不舒服是值得的,
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it's worth listening,
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聆聽是值得的,
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and that we're stronger,
not weaker, because of it.
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而因為如此,我們變得
更堅強而非軟弱。
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When I think about my experiences
with uncomfortable learning,
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當我思考讓自己不舒服的學習經驗
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and I reflect upon them,
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並反思時,
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I've found that it's been very difficult
to change the values
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我發現很難改變
我所屬知識社群的固有價值觀。
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of the intellectual community
that I've been a part of.
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But I do feel a sense of hope
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但我感到一點希望,
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when I think about the individual
interactions that I've been able to have
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當我想起自己的個人互動,
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with students who both support
the work that I'm doing
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那些支持我工作的學生、
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and who feel challenged by it
and who do not support it.
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那些感到受到挑戰的人
和那些反對者。
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What I've found is that,
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我了解到
09:24
while it can be difficult to change
the values of a community,
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改變一個團體的價值觀很難,
09:27
we can gain a lot
from individual interactions.
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但我們可以從個人互動中獲得很多。
09:31
While I didn't get to engage
with John Derbyshire
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儘管我沒辦法和德比夏爾對談——
09:34
due to my president's disinvitation,
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因為校長取消邀請——
09:36
I was able to have dinner
with Charles Murray before his talk.
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我還是和查爾斯·莫里
在演講前共進晚餐。
09:42
I knew the conversation
would be difficult.
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我知道對話很困難,
09:44
And I didn't expect it to be pleasant.
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我也不期待會很愉快,
09:47
But it was cordial, and I did gain
a deeper understanding of his arguments.
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但那晚很平順,且我確實
更了解他的論點。
09:53
I found that he, like me,
believed in creating a more just society.
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我發現他和我一樣,
相信能建造一個更公正的社會,
09:58
The thing is, his understanding
of what justice entailed
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關鍵是,他認知的正義
10:02
was very different from my own.
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和我的非常不同;
10:04
The way in which he wanted
to understand the issue,
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他想了解這議題的方式、
10:07
the way in which he wanted
to approach the issue of inequality
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他想解決不平等議題的方式,
10:10
also differed from my own.
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也和我的不同。
10:12
And I found that his understanding
of issues like welfare
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我發現他對於像福利
和平權運動議題的認識
10:15
and affirmative action
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10:17
was tied and deeply rooted
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與他對自由主義
和保守信仰的理解緊密相連,
10:19
in his understanding of various
libertarian and conservative beliefs,
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10:23
what diminishes and increases
their presence in our society.
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而它們或多或少存在社會裡。
10:27
While he expressed
his viewpoints eloquently,
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雖然他振振有詞地解釋他的觀點,
10:30
I remained thoroughly unconvinced.
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我依然沒被說服,
10:32
But I did walk away
with a deeper understanding.
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但對談後我確實有更深入的理解。
10:36
It's my belief
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我相信,
10:39
that to achieve progress
in the face of adversity,
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要在逆境中得到成長,
10:43
we need a genuine commitment
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我們需要真正的投入,
10:46
to gaining a deeper
understanding of humanity.
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去更深入了解人性。
10:50
I'd like to see a world with more leaders
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我想看到的世界是有更多領導者
10:52
who are familiar with
the depths of the views
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熟悉那些他們強烈反對的觀點,
10:54
of those they deeply disagree with,
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10:58
so that they can understand the nuances
of everyone they're representing.
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如此他們能了解
每個人代表的細微差異。
11:03
I see this as an ongoing process
involving constant learning,
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我認為這是不斷學習的過程,
11:07
and I'm confident that I'll be able
to add value down the line
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且我有信心能不斷提升其價值,
11:11
if I continue building empathy
and understanding
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如果我一直嘗試
去建立同理心及理解他人,
11:13
through engaging
with unfamiliar perspectives.
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藉由探究那些不熟悉的觀點。
11:16
Thank you.
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謝謝。
11:17
(Applause)
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