Why it's worth listening to people you disagree with | Zachary R. Wood

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2018-05-10 ・ TED


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Why it's worth listening to people you disagree with | Zachary R. Wood

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Prevoditelj: Lidija Funtek Recezent: Sanda L
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In 1994,
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Godine 1994.
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Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein coauthored "The Bell Curve,"
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Charles Murray i Richard Herrnstein izdali su "The Bell Curve",
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an extremely controversial book
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veoma kontroverznu knjigu
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which claims that on average,
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u kojoj tvrde da su u prosjeku
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some races are smarter and more likely to succeed than others.
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neke rase pametnije od drugih i imaju veće šanse za uspjeh.
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Murray and Herrnstein also suggest
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Murray i Herrnstein također tvrde
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that a lack of critical intelligence explains the prominence of violent crime
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da je nedostatak kritičkog razmišljanja razlog visoke stope zločina
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in poor African-American communities.
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u siromašnim afričko-američkim zajednicama.
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But Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein are not the only people who think this.
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No, Murray i Herrnstein nisu jedini koji tako razmišljaju.
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In 2012,
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Godine 2012.
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a writer, journalist and political commentator named John Derbyshire
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pisac, novinar i politički komentator, John Derbyshire,
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wrote an article that was supposed to be a non-black version of the talk
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napisao je članak po uzoru na savjete
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that many black parents feel they have to give their kids today:
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koje mnogi Afroamerikanci daju svojoj djeci:
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advice on how to stay safe.
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savjeti kako ostati na sigurnom.
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In it, he offered suggestions such as:
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U članku daje savjete poput:
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"Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks,"
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"Ne odlazite na događaje gdje bi moglo biti puno crnaca,"
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"Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods"
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"Klonite se izrazito crnačkih četvrti"
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and "Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in distress."
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i "Ne pomažite crncima u nevolji."
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And yet, in 2016, I invited John Derbyshire
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No, 2016. godine pozvao sam Johna Derbyshirea
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as well as Charles Murray
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i Charlesa Murraya
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to speak at my school,
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da održe govor u mojoj školi,
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knowing full well that I would be giving them a platform and attention
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dobro znajući da im dajem prostor i pažnju
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for ideas that I despised and rejected.
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da govore o stvarima koje prezirem i odbacujem.
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But this is just a further evolution
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No, to je samo još jedan korak
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of a journey of uncomfortable learning throughout my life.
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na mojem životnom putovanju učenja neugodnih stvari.
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When I was 10 years old, my mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia,
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Kada sam imao 10 godina, mojoj majci dijagnosticirana je šizofrenija,
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a mental illness characterized by mood swings and paranoid delusions.
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duševna bolest poznata po promjenama raspoloženja i paranoji.
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Throughout my life, my mother's rage would turn our small house
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Majčin bijes uvijek bi našu malu kuću
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into a minefield.
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pretvorio u bojno polje.
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Yet, though I feared her rage on a daily basis,
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Ipak, iako sam se svakodnevno bojao njezinog bijesa,
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I also learned so much from her.
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mnogo sam od nje i naučio.
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Our relationship was complicated and challenging,
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Naš odnos bio je kompliciran i težak,
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and at the age of 14, it was decided that I needed to live apart from her.
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a kad sam imao 14 godina, odlučeno je da više ne mogu živjeti s njom.
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But over the years,
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No, tijekom godina
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I've come to appreciate some of the important lessons
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naučio sam cijeniti neke važne životne lekcije
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my mother taught me about life.
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koje sam naučio od majke.
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She was the first person who spoke to me about learning from the other side.
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Bila je prva koja je sa mnom razgovarala o učenju s druge točke gledišta.
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And she, like me, was born and raised
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Poput mene, rođena je i odrasla
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in a family of committed liberal democrats.
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u obitelji predanih liberalnih demokrata.
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Yet, she encouraged me to see the world and the issues our world faces
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No, poticala me da gledam na probleme s kojima se naš svijet suočava
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as complex, controversial and ever-changing.
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kao složene, kontroverzne i promjenjive.
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One day, I came across the phrase "affirmative action"
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Jednog dana, čitajući knjigu, naišao sam na pojam
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in a book I was reading.
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"pozitivno djelovanje".
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And when I asked her what the term meant,
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Kada sam je pitao što to znači,
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she spent what felt like an hour
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imao sam osjećaj da mi sat vremena
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giving me a thorough and thoughtful explanation
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detaljno i pažljivo objašnjava,
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that would make sense to a small child.
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tako da i malo dijete može shvatiti.
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She even made the topic sound at least as interesting
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Učinila je tu temu zanimljivom
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as any of my professors have.
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poput profesora u školi.
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She explained the many reasons why people of various political views
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Objasnila je mnoge razloge zašto ljudi različitih političkih uvjerenja
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challenge and support affirmative action,
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odbijaju i prihvaćaju pozitivno djelovanje,
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stressing that, while she strongly supported it herself,
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naglašavajući da, iako ga ona podržava,
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it was important for me to view the issue as a controversial one
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važno je da shvatim kontroverznost problema
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with a long history,
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koji ima dugu povijest,
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a questionable future
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upitnu budućnost
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and a host of complicating factors.
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i mnogo otežavajućih faktora.
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While affirmative action can increase the presence of minorities
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Iako pozitivno djelovanje može povećati prisutnost manjina
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at elite educational institutions,
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na elitnim obrazovnim institucijama,
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she felt that it could also disadvantage hardworking people of different races
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smatrala je da bi moglo naštetiti marljivim ljudima različitih rasa
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from more affluent backgrounds.
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koji dolaze iz imućnijih obitelji.
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My mom wanted me to understand
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Moja majka je željela da shvatim
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that I should never just write off opinions
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kako nikada ne bih trebao samo odbaciti mišljenja
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that I disagreed with or disliked,
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s kojima se ne slažem ili koja mi se ne sviđaju,
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because there was always something to learn from the perspectives of others,
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jer se uvijek nešto može naučiti iz tuđe perspektive,
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even when doing so might be difficult.
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čak i kada to može biti teško.
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But life at home with my mom
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No, život s mojom majkom
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was not the only aspect of my journey that has been formative and uncomfortable.
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nije bila jedina formativna i neugodna stanica na mom putovanju.
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In fourth grade, she decided that I should attend a private school
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U četvrtom razredu odlučila je da bih trebao pohađati privatnu školu
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in order to receive the best education possible.
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kako bih dobio najbolje moguće obrazovanje.
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As a black student attending predominantly white private schools,
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Kao Afroamerikanac u uglavnom bjelačkoj privatnoj školi,
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I've encountered attitudes and behaviors that reflected racial stereotypes.
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suočio sam se sa stavovima i ponašanjima koja su odražavala rasne stereotipe.
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Several of my friends' parents assumed within minutes of meeting me
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Nekoliko roditelja mojih prijatelja, odmah nakon što su me upoznali,
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that my best skill was playing basketball.
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pretpostavili su da mi košarka najbolje ide.
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And it really upset me to think that my race made it harder for them
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Stvarno me uzrujalo što im je moja boja kože onemogućila
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to see me as a student who loved reading, writing and speaking.
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da me vide kao učenika koji voli čitati, pisati i govoriti.
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Experiences like this motivated me to work tirelessly
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Slična iskustva potaknula su me da neumorno radim
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to disprove what I knew people had assumed.
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na opovrgavanju onoga što sam znao da ljudi pretpostavljaju.
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My mother even said that, in order to put my best foot forward,
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Majka mi je čak rekla da, ako želim ostaviti dobar dojam,
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I had to be patient, alert and excruciatingly well-mannered.
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moram biti strpljiv, na oprezu i bolno pristojan.
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To prove that I belonged, I had to show poise and confidence,
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Kako bih dokazao da pripadam, morao sam biti staložen i samouvjeren
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the ability to speak well and listen closely.
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te govoriti lijepo i pažljivo slušati.
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Only then would my peers see that I deserved to be there
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Tek tada će moji vršnjaci shvatiti da zaslužujem biti tamo
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as much as they did.
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baš kao i oni.
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Despite this racial stereotyping and the discomfort I often felt,
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Unatoč rasnim stereotipima i neugodi koju sam često osjećao,
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the learning I gained from other aspects of being at an elite private school
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ono što sam naučio od drugih tijekom boravka u elitnoj privatnoj školi
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were incredibly valuable.
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bilo je neprocjenjivo.
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I was encouraged by my teachers to explore my curiosity,
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Profesori su me ohrabrili da istražim svoju znatiželju,
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to challenge myself in new ways
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postavim si nove izazove
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and to deepen my understanding of subjects that fascinated me the most.
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i produbim razumijevanje onoga što me najviše zanima.
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And going to college was the next step.
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Odlazak na fakultet bio je sljedeći korak.
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I was excited to take my intellectual drive and interest in the world of ideas
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Bio sam uzbuđen što ću svoj intelekt i zanimanje za svijet ideja
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to the next level.
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prenijeti na novu razinu.
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I was eager to engage in lively debate with peers and professors
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Bio sam željan upustiti se u žive rasprave s vršnjacima, profesorima
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and with outside speakers;
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i ostalim govornicima;
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to listen, to learn and gain a deeper understanding of myself
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slušati, učiti i produbiti znanje o sebi
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and of others.
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i drugima.
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While I was fortunate to meet peers and professors
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Iako sam imao sreće sresti vršnjake i profesore
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who were interested in doing the same thing,
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koji su i sami htjeli to isto,
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my desire to engage with difficult ideas was also met with resistance.
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moja želja da se suočim s izazovnim idejama naišla je i na otpor.
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To prepare myself to engage with controversy in the real world,
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Kako bih se pripremio za suočavanje s kontroverzom u pravom svijetu,
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I joined a group that brought controversial speakers to campus.
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pridružio sam se grupi koja je u kampus dovodila kontroverzne govornike.
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But many people fiercely opposed this group,
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No, mnogo ljudi protivilo se toj grupi
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and I received significant pushback
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i zbog toga sam se suočio s otporom
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from students, faculty and my administration.
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studenata, osoblja i administracije.
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For many, it was difficult to see
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Mnogima je bilo teško shvatiti
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how bringing controversial speakers to campus could be valuable,
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kako bi dovođenje kontroverznih govornika u kampus bila dobra stvar,
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when they caused harm.
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kada je očito štetilo svima.
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And it was disappointing to me facing personal attacks,
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Razočaralo me što sam morao trpjeti osobne napade,
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having my administration cancel speakers
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otkazivanje govora od strane administracije
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and hearing my intentions distorted by those around me.
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i krivo tumačenje mojih namjera.
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My work also hurt the feelings of many,
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Moj rad povrijedio je mnoge
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and I understood that.
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i to mi je bilo jasno.
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Of course, no one likes being offended,
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Naravno da nitko ne voli kad ga se vrijeđa,
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and I certainly don't like hearing controversial speakers
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ni ja nisam volio slušati kontroverzne govornike
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argue that feminism has become a war against men
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kako govore da je feminizam prerastao u rat protiv muškaraca,
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or that blacks have lower IQs than whites.
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ili da crnci imaju niži IQ od bijelaca.
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I also understand
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Bilo mi je jasno
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that some people have experienced traumatic experiences in their lives.
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i da su neki ljudi proživjeli traumatična iskustva.
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And for some, listening to offensive views
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Za neke od njih, slušanje uvredljivih stajališta
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can be like reliving the very traumas that they've worked so hard to overcome.
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može biti poput oživljavanja trauma koje su se toliko trudili pobijediti.
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Many argue that by giving these people a platform,
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Mnogi su se složili da davanjem prostora tim ljudima
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you're doing more harm than good,
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činimo više zla nego dobra
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and I'm reminded of this every time I listen to these points of view
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i toga se sjetim svaki puta kada čujem taj argument
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and feel my stomach turn.
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i želudac mi se okrene.
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Yet, tuning out opposing viewpoints doesn't make them go away,
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No, ignoriranje suprotnih mišljenja neće učiniti da ona nestanu,
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because millions of people agree with them.
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zato jer se milijuni ljudi slažu s njima.
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In order to understand the potential of society
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Kako bismo razumjeli sposobnost društva
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to progress forward,
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da napreduje,
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we need to understand the counterforces.
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moramo razumjeti i sile koje ga vuku unatrag.
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By engaging with controversial and offensive ideas,
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Suočavajući se s kontroverznim i uvredljivim idejama,
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I believe that we can find common ground,
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mislim da možemo pronaći zajedničko gledište,
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if not with the speakers themselves,
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ako već ne kroz govornike,
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then with the audiences they may attract or indoctrinate.
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onda kroz publiku koju oni privlače ili indoktriniraju.
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Through engaging, I believe that we may reach a better understanding,
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Smatram da suočavanjem možemo postići bolje razumijevanje,
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a deeper understanding,
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dublje razumijevanje
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of our own beliefs
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naših vjerovanja
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and preserve the ability to solve problems,
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i sačuvati sposobnost rješavanja problema,
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which we can't do if we don't talk to each other
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što ne možemo ako ne razgovaramo jedni s drugima
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and make an effort to be good listeners.
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i ako se ne trudimo pažljivo slušati.
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But soon after I announced
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Nedugo nakon što sam objavio
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that John Derbyshire would be speaking on campus,
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da će John Derbyshire gostovati u kampusu,
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student backlash erupted on social media.
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društvene mreže preplavio je otpor studenata.
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The tide of resistance, in fact, was so intense,
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Zapravo, otpor je bio toliko jak,
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that my college president rescinded the invitation.
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da je predsjednik fakulteta povukao poziv.
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I was deeply disappointed by this because, as I saw it,
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To me jako razočaralo jer, kako sam ja to shvatio,
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there would be nothing that any of my peers or I could do
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ništa što bih ja ili moji vršnjaci učinili,
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to silence someone who agreed with him
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ne bi nadjačalo nekoga tko se složio s njime
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in the office environment of our future employers.
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u uredu naših budućih poslodavaca.
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I look out at what's happening on college campuses,
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Pratim što se događa u sveučilišnim kampusima
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and I see the anger.
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i vidim ljutnju.
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And I get it.
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I razumijem.
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But what I wish I could tell people is that it's worth the discomfort,
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No, želio bih da mogu objasniti ljudima da je vrijedno te neugode,
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it's worth listening,
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vrijedi slušati
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and that we're stronger, not weaker, because of it.
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i zbog toga smo jači, a ne slabiji.
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When I think about my experiences with uncomfortable learning,
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Kada se sjetim svojih iskustava s neugodnim učenjem
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and I reflect upon them,
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i razmislim o njima,
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I've found that it's been very difficult to change the values
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shvatim da je bilo jako teško promijeniti vrijednosti
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of the intellectual community that I've been a part of.
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intelektualne zajednice kojoj sam pripadao.
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But I do feel a sense of hope
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No, osjećam tračak nade
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when I think about the individual interactions that I've been able to have
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kada se sjetim pojedinačnih razgovora
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with students who both support the work that I'm doing
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s onim studentima koji podržavaju moj rad
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and who feel challenged by it and who do not support it.
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i smatraju ga izazovom, te s onima koji se ne slažu.
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What I've found is that,
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Shvatio sam da,
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while it can be difficult to change the values of a community,
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iako može biti teško promijeniti vrijednosti zajednice,
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we can gain a lot from individual interactions.
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možemo puno dobiti kroz individualnu komunikaciju.
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While I didn't get to engage with John Derbyshire
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Unatoč tome što se nisam susreo s Johnom Derbyshireom,
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due to my president's disinvitation,
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zbog toga što je predsjednik povukao poziv,
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I was able to have dinner with Charles Murray before his talk.
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uspio sam večerati s Charlesom Murrayom prije njegovog govora.
09:42
I knew the conversation would be difficult.
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Znao sam da će razgovor biti težak.
09:44
And I didn't expect it to be pleasant.
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I nisam očekivao da će biti ugodan.
09:47
But it was cordial, and I did gain a deeper understanding of his arguments.
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No, bio je srdačan i dobio sam dublji uvid u njegove argumente.
09:53
I found that he, like me, believed in creating a more just society.
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Saznao sam da i on, poput mene, vjeruje u stvaranje pravednijeg društva.
09:58
The thing is, his understanding of what justice entailed
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Stvar je u tome što se njegova definicija pravde
10:02
was very different from my own.
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veoma razlikuje od moje.
10:04
The way in which he wanted to understand the issue,
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Način na koji on želi razumjeti problem,
10:07
the way in which he wanted to approach the issue of inequality
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način na koji on želi pristupiti problemu nejednakosti,
10:10
also differed from my own.
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isto se razlikuje od mojeg.
10:12
And I found that his understanding of issues like welfare
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Isto tako, njegov odnos prema problemima poput socijalne skrbi
10:15
and affirmative action
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i pozitivnog djelovanja,
10:17
was tied and deeply rooted
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duboko se temelji
10:19
in his understanding of various libertarian and conservative beliefs,
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na njegovom razumijevanju raznih liberalnih i konzervativnih uvjerenja,
10:23
what diminishes and increases their presence in our society.
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što smanjuje i povećava njihovu prisutnost u našem društvu.
10:27
While he expressed his viewpoints eloquently,
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Iako je vrlo rječito izražavao svoja stajališta,
10:30
I remained thoroughly unconvinced.
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nije me uspio uvjeriti u to.
10:32
But I did walk away with a deeper understanding.
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No, nakon razgovora moje se razumijevanje produbilo.
10:36
It's my belief
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Vjerujem
10:39
that to achieve progress in the face of adversity,
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da ako želimo napredovati usprkos poteškoćama,
10:43
we need a genuine commitment
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trebamo se iskreno posvetiti
10:46
to gaining a deeper understanding of humanity.
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dubljem razumijevanju čovječanstva.
10:50
I'd like to see a world with more leaders
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Želio bih vidjeti svijet čiji vođe
10:52
who are familiar with the depths of the views
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su dobro upoznati sa stajalištima onih
10:54
of those they deeply disagree with,
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s kojima se nikako ne slažu,
10:58
so that they can understand the nuances of everyone they're representing.
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kako bi bolje razumjeli sve one koje zastupaju.
11:03
I see this as an ongoing process involving constant learning,
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Vidim to kao kontinuirani proces koji uključuje stalno učenje
11:07
and I'm confident that I'll be able to add value down the line
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i uvjeren sam da ću i ja tome pridonijeti,
11:11
if I continue building empathy and understanding
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ako nastavim širiti empatiju i razumijevanje
11:13
through engaging with unfamiliar perspectives.
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kroz suočavanje s drugačijim mišljenjima.
11:16
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
11:17
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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