Vik Muniz: Art with wire, sugar, chocolate and string

Vik Muniz teller ve sekerle sanat icra ediyor.

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Çeviri: Seyhan SIRTALAN Gözden geçirme: Sancak Gülgen
00:25
I was asked to come here and speak about creation.
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Buraya gelip yaratmakla ilgili konusmam istendi.
00:28
And I only have 15 minutes, and I see they're counting already.
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Ve sadece 15 dakikam var ve goruyorum ki sureyi baslattilar bile.
00:32
And I can -- in 15 minutes, I think I can touch only a very rather janitorial branch of creation,
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Ve sanirim 15 dakikada sadece yaratmanin bir kolu olan
00:39
which I call "creativity."
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ve benim yaraticilik dedigim konuya deginebilirim.
00:42
Creativity is how we cope with creation.
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Yaraticilik yaratmakla bir basa cikis seklidir.
00:46
While creation sometimes seems a bit un-graspable, or even pointless,
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Yaratmak bazen kavramasi guc ya da anlamsiz olsa da
00:52
creativity is always meaningful.
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yaraticilik her zaman anlamlidir.
00:55
See, for instance, in this picture.
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Mesela bu resme bakin.
00:56
You know, creation is what put that dog in that picture,
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Kopegi bu resime yerlestiren yaratmaktir,
01:00
and creativity is what makes us see a chicken on his hindquarters.
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kopegin arka bacaginda bir tavuk gormemizi saglayan yaraticiliktir.
01:05
When you think about -- you know, creativity has a lot to do with causality too.
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Dusunecek olursaniz--aslinda, yaraticilik ve nedensellik birbiriyle baglantilidir.
01:11
You know, when I was a teenager, I was a creator.
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Bakin, delikanliyken birseyler yaratirdim.
01:14
I just did things.
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Oylesine birseyler yaratirdim.
01:17
Then I became an adult and started knowing who I was,
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Sonra yetiskin oldum ve kendi benligimi tanimaya basladim
01:19
and tried to maintain that persona -- I became creative.
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ve o kisiligi korumaya calistim -- ve yaratici oldum.
01:23
It wasn't until I actually did a book and a retrospective exhibition, that I could track exactly --
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Bir kitap yazip, geriye donuk sergimi acana kadar degil--geriye bakinca--
01:31
looks like all the craziest things that I had done, all my drinking, all my parties --
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Yaptigim butun cilginliklar, icki icmem, partiler ---
01:35
they followed a straight line that brings me to the point
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hepsi duz bir cizgi halinde beni bu noktaya
01:37
that actually I'm talking to you at this moment.
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burada karsinizda konustugum su ana getiren seyler.
01:39
Though it's actually true, you know,
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Aslinda bu dogru, su anda
01:43
the reason I'm talking to you right now is because I was born in Brazil.
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sizlerle konusuyor olmam Brezilya'da dogmus olmamdandir.
01:46
If I was born in Monterey, probably would be in Brazil.
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Eger Monterey'de dogsaydim belki simdi Brezilya'da olurdum.
01:52
You know, I was born in Brazil and grew up in the '70s
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Iste boyle, Brezilya'da dogdum ve 70'lerde politik
01:54
under a climate of political distress,
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acidan sikintili bir ortamda buyudum ve
01:58
and I was forced to learn to communicate in a very specific way --
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bir tur semiyotik karaborsada
02:01
in a sort of a semiotic black market.
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cok ozel bir sekilde iletisim kurmayi ogrendim.
02:03
You couldn't really say what you wanted to say;
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Gercekte soylemek istediginizi telaffuz edemediginiz icin
02:06
you had to invent ways of doing it.
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farkli yontemler bulmaniz gerekiyordu.
02:08
You didn't trust information very much.
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Etrafinizdaki bilgiye fazla guvenemiyordunuz.
02:10
That led me to another step of why I'm here today,
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Bu da benim burada olmamda etkili bir baska nokta,
02:13
is because I really liked media of all kinds.
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medyanin her turunu gercekten seviyor olmam.
02:16
I was a media junkie, and eventually got involved with advertising.
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Bir medya cilginiydim ve zamanla reklamciliga girdim.
02:20
My first job in Brazil
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Brezilya'daki ilk isim
02:22
was actually to develop a way to improve the readability of billboards,
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billboard'larin okunabilirligini artirmanin yollarini bulmakti,
02:27
and based on speed, angle of approach and actually blocks of text.
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bunu hiz, aci ve yazinin seklini goz onune alarak yapmak.
02:31
It was very -- actually, it was a very good study,
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Bu aslinda gercekten cok onemli bir konuydu,
02:34
and got me a job in an ad agency.
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ve bir reklam ajansinda is bulmama yaradi.
02:36
And they also decided that I had to --
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Ve bu is icin bana cok cirkin
02:39
to give me a very ugly Plexiglas trophy for it.
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pleksiglastan yapilmis bir odul vermeye karar verdiler.
02:44
And another point -- why I'm here --
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Burada olma sebeplerimden bir baska nokta da
02:46
is that the day I went to pick up the Plexiglas trophy,
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iste bu; odulu almaya gittigim gun,
02:50
I rented a tuxedo for the first time in my life,
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omrumde ilk defa bir smokin kiraladim,
02:53
picked the thing -- didn't have any friends.
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odulu aldim -- hic bir arkadasim yoktu.
02:55
On my way out, I had to break a fight apart.
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Cikista bir kavgayi ayirmak zorunda kaldim.
02:58
Somebody was hitting somebody else with brass knuckles.
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Birisi baska birisini mustayla dovuyordu
03:01
They were in tuxedos, and fighting. It was very ugly.
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Onlar da smokinliydi ve dovusuyorlardi. Cok cirkindi.
03:03
And also -- advertising people do that all the time -- (Laughter) --
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Bu arada, reklamcilar bunu hep yaparlar --(gulusmeler) --
03:09
and I -- well, what happened is when I went back, it was on the way back to my car,
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ve -- sonra ben uzaklasip arabama giderken soyle oldu;
03:14
the guy who got hit decided to grab a gun --
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dayak yiyen adam tabanca cekmeye karar verdi --
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I don't know why he had a gun --
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niye tabanca tasiyordu bilmiyorum --
03:18
and shoot the first person he decided to be his aggressor.
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ve dusmani olduguna karar verdigi ilk kisiye ates etti.
03:20
The first person was wearing a black tie, a tuxedo. It was me.
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Bu ilk kisi smokinli ve siyah kravatliydi. Bu kisi bendim.
03:26
Luckily, it wasn't fatal, as you can all see.
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Cok sukur, oldurucu degildi, sizin de gordugunuz gibi.
03:29
And, even more luckily, the guy said that he was sorry
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Ve sansima, adam ozur diledi
03:34
and I bribed him for compensation money, otherwise I press charges.
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ve ben adamdan dava acma tehdidiyle tazminat parasi aldim.
03:38
And that's how -- with this money I paid for a ticket to come to the United States in 1983,
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Iste bu sekilde -- bu parayla 1983 senesinde Amerika'ya gelmek icin biletimi aldim,
03:44
and that's very -- the basic reason I'm talking to you here today:
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ve burada sizlerin karsisinda konusuyor olmamin ana nedeni bu.
03:48
because I got shot. (Laughter) (Applause)
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Cunku vurulmustum. (Gulusmeler) (Alkis)
03:51
Well, when I started working with my own work, I decided that I shouldn't do images.
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Kendi calismalarima basladigimda imgeler uzerinde calismamaya karar verdim.
03:59
You know, I became -- I took this very iconoclastic approach.
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Geleneksel olmayan bir yaklasim benimsemistim.
04:03
Because when I decided to go into advertising, I wanted to do --
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Cunku reklamciliga girerken istedigim --
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I wanted to airbrush naked people on ice, for whiskey commercials,
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viski reklamlari icin buz uzerinde ciplak insanlari boyamakti,
04:12
that's what I really wanted to do. (Laughter)
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gercekte yapmak istedigim buydu.
04:13
But I -- they didn't let me do it, so I just -- you know,
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Ama -- bunu yapmama izin vermediler -- iste,
04:16
they would only let me do other things.
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baska seyler yapmama izin verdiler.
04:18
But I wasn't into selling whiskey; I was into selling ice.
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Ama viski satmak bana gore degildi, ben buz satmak istiyordum.
04:22
The first works were actually objects.
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Ilk calismalar aslinda objelerdi.
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It was kind of a mixture of found object, product design and advertising.
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Buluntu objeler, dizayn ve reklamciligin bir tur karisimiydi.
04:29
And I called them relics.
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Ve ben bunlari kalintilar diye adlandirdim.
04:31
They were displayed first at Stux Gallery in 1983.
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Ilk olarak 1983'te Galeri Stux'ta sergilendiler.
04:35
This is the clown skull.
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Bu palyaco kafatasi.
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Is a remnant of a race of -- a very evolved race of entertainers.
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Cok gelismis eglendirici irka ait bir kalinti.
04:40
They lived in Brazil, long time ago. (Laughter)
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Uzun yillar once Brezilya'da yasamislar. (Gulusmeler)
04:44
This is the Ashanti joystick.
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Bu bir Ashanti oyuncubugu.
04:46
Unfortunately, it has become obsolete because it was designed for Atari platform.
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Maalesef kullanimdan kalkti cunku Atariler icin tasarlanmisti.
04:51
A Playstation II is in the works, maybe for the next TED I'll bring it.
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Playstation II uzerine calisiyorum, belki bir sonraki TED'e getiririm.
04:56
The rocking podium. (Laughter)
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Sallanan podyum.
05:01
This is the pre-Columbian coffeemaker. (Laughter)
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Kolombiya oncesi kahve makinesi.
05:06
Actually, the idea came out of an argument that I had at Starbucks,
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Aslinda, bu fikir Starbuck's'ta bir tartisma sirasinda dogdu,
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that I insisted that I wasn't having Colombian coffee;
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ictigimin Kolombiya kahvesi olmadiginda israr ediyordum,
05:12
the coffee was actually pre-Columbian.
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aslinda Kolombiya oncesi bir kahveydi.
05:14
The Bonsai table.
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Bonsai masasi.
05:20
The entire Encyclopedia Britannica bound in a single volume, for travel purposes.
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Seyahat icin bir cilde indirilmis Britanika Ansiklopedisi serisi.
05:30
And the half tombstone, for people who are not dead yet.
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Henuz olmemis insanlar icin yarim mezar tasi.
05:36
I wanted to take that into the realm of images,
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Imajlar dunyasina girip kimlik catismasi icinde
05:39
and I decided to make things that had the same identity conflicts.
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olan konularda uretmek istedim.
05:44
So I decided to do work with clouds.
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Bulutlar uzerinde calismaya karar verdim.
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Because clouds can mean anything you want.
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Cunku bulutlar istedigin her anlama gelebilirler.
05:49
But now I wanted to work in a very low-tech way,
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Ama bu sefer dusuk teknoloji ile calismaya karar verdim,
05:52
so something that would mean at the same time
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burada bir sey ayni anda bir pamuk yigini
05:55
a lump of cotton, a cloud and Durer's praying hands --
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bir bulut veya Durer'in dua eden elleri olabilir --
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although this looks a lot more like Mickey Mouse's praying hands.
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ama bu daha cok Mickey Mouse'un dua eden ellerine benziyor.
06:03
But I was still, you know -- this is a kitty cloud.
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Ama bence -- bu bir kedicik bulut.
06:07
They're called "Equivalents," after Alfred Stieglitz's work.
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Bunlara Alfred Stieglitz'in calismalarindan esinlenerek Equivalent dedim.
06:12
"The Snail."
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"Salyangoz".
06:13
But I was still working with sculpture,
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Ama hala heykeller uzerine calisiyordum,
06:15
and I was really trying to go flatter and flatter.
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ve giderek daha basik boyutlu calismalar yapiyordum.
06:18
"The Teapot."
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"Caydanlik."
06:20
I had a chance to go to Florence, in -- I think it was '94,
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Sanirim 1994 senesiydi -- Florensa'ya gitme imkani buldum,
06:23
and I saw Ghiberti's "Door of Paradise."
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ve Ghiberti'nin "Cennet Kapisi"ni gordum.
06:27
And he did something that was very tricky.
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Cok ustalik gerektiren bir sey yapmisti.
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He put together two different media from different periods of time.
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Iki ayri doneme ait iki farkli medyayi bir arada kullanmisti.
06:33
First, he got an age-old way of making it, which was relief,
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Birincisi, eski yontem kullanmisti ki bu rahatlaticiydi,
06:38
and he worked this with three-point perspective, which was brand-new technology at the time.
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ve uc-boyutlu perspektif calismisti ki bu da o zaman icin yepyeni bir teknolojiydi.
06:43
And it's totally overkill.
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Tamamen asiriya kacmaydi.
06:46
And your eye doesn't know which level to read.
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Gozleriniz hangi duzleme bakacagini bilemiyordu.
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And you become trapped into this kind of representation.
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Ve bu tur bir sunumum icinde hapsoluyordunuz.
06:51
So I decided to make these very simple renderings,
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Bunun uzerine ilk bakista basit cizgiler olarak gorulen
06:55
that at first they are taken as a line drawing --
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su cok basit parcalari yaptim.
06:58
you know, something that's very -- and then I did it with wire.
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Yani son derece --sonra bunlari tellerle yaptim.
07:02
The idea was to -- because everybody overlooks white -- like pencil drawings, you know?
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Fikir suydu -- kara kalem cizimlerinde kimse ilk bakista beyazi dikkate almaz.
07:08
And they would look at it -- "Ah, it's a pencil drawing."
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Yani soyle bir bakarlar -- iste kara kalem bir cizim.
07:10
Then you have this double take and see that it's actually something that existed in time.
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Sonra daha dikkatli bakinca zaman icinde var olan bir sey farkedilir.
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It had a physicality,
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Boyle fiziksel yani olan birsey,
07:16
and you start going deeper and deeper into sort of narrative
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ve sonra daha derine inince imgeye
07:20
that goes this way, towards the image. So this is "Monkey with Leica."
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yonelik bir oyku ortaya cikiyor. Iste bu "Leica ve Maymun".
07:28
"Relaxation."
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"Gevseme"
07:30
"Fiat Lux."
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"Fiat Lux."
07:34
And the same way the history of representation
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Temsil etme surecinde cizgileri
07:37
evolved from line drawings to shaded drawings.
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taramali cizimler izledi.
07:40
And I wanted to deal with other subjects.
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Ve baska tur konularda calismak istedim.
07:42
I started taking that into the realm of landscape,
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Manzaralar dunyasina yoneldim ki
07:45
which is something that's almost a picture of nothing.
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bu neredeyse hicligin resmi gibi birseydi.
07:49
I made these pictures called "Pictures of Thread,"
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Ipliklerin Resmi dedigim bu resimleri yaptim,
07:51
and I named them after the amount of yards that I used to represent each picture.
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ve bunlara isim olarak yapiminda kullandigim ip miktarini verdim.
07:55
These always end up being a photograph at the end,
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Bunlar her zaman bir fotograf olarak sonlanan calismalardi
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or more like an etching in this case.
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ya da burada oldugu gibi bir gravur.
07:59
So this is a lighthouse.
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Bu bir fener.
08:06
This is "6,500 Yards," after Corot. "9,000 Yards," after Gerhard Richter.
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Bu Corot'dan esinlenen "6.500 Yarda". "9.000 Yarda" Gerhard Richter'den.
08:13
And I don't know how many yards, after John Constable.
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Ne kadar yarda oldugunu bilmiyorum John Constable'dan.
08:19
Departing from the lines, I decided to tackle the idea of points,
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Bu cizgiden ayrilarak, noktalar fikrine yoneldim,
08:22
like which is more similar to the type of representation that we find in photographs themselves.
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bu fotografciligi temsil eden fikre benzeyen bir kavramdi.
08:27
I had met a group of children in the Caribbean island of Saint Kitts,
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Karayipler'de Saint Kitts adasinda bir grup cocukla karsilastim
08:31
and I did work and play with them.
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ve onlarla hem oynadim hem calistim.
08:35
I got some photographs from them.
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Cocuklarin fotograflarini cektim.
08:37
Upon my arrival in New York, I decided --
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New York'a donunce, karar verdim --
08:39
they were children of sugar plantation workers.
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bunlar seker iscilerinin cocuklariydi.
08:43
And by manipulating sugar over a black paper, I made portraits of them.
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Siyah kagit uzerine toz sekerle bu cocuklari portrelerini yaptim.
08:48
These are -- (Applause) --
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Bunlar -- (Alkis) --
08:52
Thank you. This is "Valentina, the Fastest."
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Tesekkurler. Bu "Valentina, En Hizli".
08:56
It was just the name of the child,
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Cocugun adi ve az tanidigin birine
08:58
with the little thing you get to know of somebody that you meet very briefly.
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ait kucuk bir ifade.
09:02
"Valicia."
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"Valicia".
09:06
"Jacynthe."
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"Jacynthe".
09:10
But another layer of representation was still introduced.
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Burada baska bir temsil katmani ortaya cikti.
09:12
Because I was doing this while I was making these pictures,
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Bu resimleri yaparken
09:15
I realized that I could add still another thing
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dusundum ki baska bir sey daha ekleyebilirim.
09:18
I was trying to make a subject --
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Bir konuda temalari
09:20
something that would interfere with the themes,
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etkileyecegini dusundugum
09:25
so chocolate is very good, because it has --
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cikolatayi cok uygun gordum cunku
09:29
it brings to mind ideas that go from scatology to romance.
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akla diskidan romantizme farkli seyler getiriyordu.
09:34
And so I decided to make these pictures,
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Ve bu resimleri yapmaya karar verdim,
09:37
and they were very large, so you had to walk away from it to be able to see them.
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cok buyuk olduklari icin gorebilmek icin resimden uzakta durmak gerekliydi.
09:40
So they're called "Pictures of Chocolate."
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Iste bunlarda Cikolata Resimleri.
09:41
Freud probably could explain chocolate better than I. He was the first subject.
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Freud belki cikolatayi benden daha iyi anlatirdi. Ilk konu oydu.
09:46
And Jackson Pollock also.
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Ve Jackson Pollock.
09:52
Pictures of crowds are particularly interesting,
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Kalabalik resimleri ozellikle cok ilginc
09:54
because, you know, you go to that --
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cunku cok kolay betimleyebileceginiz bir
09:56
you try to figure out the threshold with something you can define very easily,
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kademeyi tesbit etmeye calisiyorsunuz,
09:59
like a face, goes into becoming just a texture.
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mesela bir surat sadece bir doku haline geliyor.
10:03
"Paparazzi."
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"Paparazi".
10:07
I used the dust at the Whitney Museum to render some pieces of their collection.
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Whitney Muzesindeki tozlari kullanarak koleksiyonlarindan bazi parcalar yaptim.
10:11
And I picked minimalist pieces because they're about specificity.
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Minimalist parcalar sectim cunku ozgullugu vurguluyordum.
10:15
And you render this with the most non-specific material,
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Ve bunu en ozgul olmayan malzemeyle yaptim,
10:18
which is dust itself.
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o da toz.
10:20
Like, you know, you have the skin particles of every single museum visitor.
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Bildiginiz gibi muzeyi ziyaret edenlerin olu derileri.
10:24
They do a DNA scan of this, they will come up with a great mailing list.
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Bu esere bir DNA testi yapilsa mukemmel bir posta adres listesi olusur.
10:30
This is Richard Serra.
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Bu Richard Serra.
10:38
I bought a computer, and [they] told me it had millions of colors in it.
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Bir bilgisayar satin aldim, bana dediler ki icinde milyonlarca renk var.
10:42
You know an artist's first response to this is, who counted it? You know?
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Bir sanatcinin buna ilk tepkisi sudur; kim saydi? Anladiniz mi?
10:46
And I realized that I never worked with color,
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Ve farkettim ki renklerle hic calismadim,
10:49
because I had a hard time controlling the idea of single colors.
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cunku tek bir renk fikrini kontrol etmekte zorlaniyordum.
10:53
But once they're applied to numeric structure,
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Ama buna numaralandirilmis bir yapi verirseniz
10:56
then you can feel more comfortable.
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o zaman daha rahat olursunuz.
10:58
So the first time I worked with colors was by making these mosaics of Pantone swatches.
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Renklerle ilk calismamda Pantone parcalarla bu mozaikleri yaptim.
11:03
They end up being very large pictures,
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Sonucta cok buyuk resimler oldular,
11:05
and I photographed with a very large camera --
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cok buyuk bir fotograf makinesiyle resimlerini cektim --
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an 8x10 camera.
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sekize onluk bir fotograf makinesiyle.
11:09
So you can see the surface of every single swatch --
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Her bir parcanin yuzeyini gorebilirsiniz --
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like in this picture of Chuck Close.
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Chuck Close'un resminde oldugu gibi.
11:13
And you have to walk very far to be able to see it.
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Ve gorebilmek icin resimden bir hayli geriye yurumeniz gerekli.
11:18
Also, the reference to Gerhard Richter's use of color charts --
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Bir de Gerhard Richter'in renk tablosu kullanimina referansla --
11:25
and the idea also entering another realm of representation that's very common to us today,
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ki bu fikir gunumuzde cokca kullanilan bir tarzla ortusmektedir --
11:29
which is the bit map.
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nokta esasli (bitmap) calismalara geliyoruz.
11:31
I ended up narrowing the subject to Monet's "Haystacks."
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Konuyu Monet'nin saman balyalarina indirgedim.
11:37
This is something I used to do as a joke --
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Bunu eskiden bir saka olarak yapardim --
11:38
you know, make -- the same like -- Robert Smithson's "Spiral Jetty" --
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yani mesela Robert Smithson'un Spiral Jetty'sinin aynisi
11:43
and then leaving traces, as if it was done on a tabletop.
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ama sanki bir masa ustunde yapilmis gibi izler birakarak.
11:47
I tried to prove that he didn't do that thing in the Salt Lake.
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Salt Lake'te olanlari yapmadigin ispat etmeye calistim.
11:51
But then, just doing the models, I was trying to explore the relationship
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Ama sonra, yalnizca modelleri yaparak modelle orjinal
11:55
between the model and the original.
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arasindaki iliskiyi incelemeye calistim.
11:57
And I felt that I would have to actually go there and make some earthworks myself.
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Burada gidip yeryuzu calismalari yapmaliymisim gibi hissettim.
12:03
I opt for very simple line drawings -- kind of stupid looking.
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Cok basit -- hatta aptalca -- cizimleri tercih ettim.
12:08
And at the same time, I was doing these very large constructions,
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Ve ayni zamanda cok buyuk yapilardi bunlar,
12:11
being 150 meters away.
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150 metre uzakta olduklari icin.
12:14
Now I would do very small ones, which would be like --
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Cok kucuklerini de yaptim,
12:18
but under the same light, and I would show them together,
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ayni isik altinda ikisini beraber gosterince,
12:21
so the viewer would have to really figure it out what one he was looking.
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bakan kisinin gercekte hangisine baktigini cozmesi gerekiyordu.
12:24
I wasn't interested in the very large things, or in the small things.
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Benim ilgimi ceken cok buyuk veya cok kucuk seyler degildi.
12:27
I was more interested in the things in between,
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Ikisinin arasindaki seyler daha cok ilgimi cekiyordu,
12:30
you know, because you can leave an enormous range for ambiguity there.
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cunku burada belirsizligi daha genis anlamda kullanabiliyordum.
12:36
This is like you see -- the size of a person over there.
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Mesela burada -- bir insan boyutu goruyoruz.
12:41
This is a pipe.
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Bu bir pipo.
12:46
A hanger.
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Bir elbise askisi.
12:48
And this is another thing that I did -- you know working
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Ve bu da yaptigim baska bir calisma --
12:53
-- everybody loves to watch somebody draw,
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herkes resim yapan birini seyretmeyi sever,
12:55
but not many people have a chance to watch somebody draw in --
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ama bircok kisinin ayni anda tek bir resmi cizen kisiyi seyretmesi --
12:58
a lot of people at the same time, to evidence a single drawing.
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bu cok kisiye kismet olmaz.
13:02
And I love this work,
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Ve bu calismayi cok begeniyorum,
13:05
because I did these cartoonish clouds over Manhattan for a period of two months.
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cunku burada iki ay sureyle Manhattan uzerinde karikatursel bulutlar cizdik.
13:10
And it was quite wonderful, because I had an interest -- an early interest -- in theater,
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Ve bu cok mukemmeldi cunku eskiden beri tiyatroya ilgim vardi,
13:14
that's justified on this thing.
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bu calisma o ilgiyi hakli cikardi.
13:16
In theater, you have the character and the actor in the same place,
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Tiyatroda bir karakter ve bir aktor ayni yerde bulunur,
13:20
trying to negotiate each other in front of an audience.
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seyirci karsisinda birbirleriyle tartisir gibidirler.
13:22
And in this, you'd have like a --
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Ve burada, elimizde --
13:24
something that looks like a cloud, and it is a cloud at the same time.
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buluta benzeyen bir sey ve ayni zamanda bir bulut var.
13:28
So they're like perfect actors.
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Mukemmel aktorlere benziyorlar.
13:31
My interest in acting, especially bad acting, goes a long way.
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Benim rol yapmaya, ozellikle kotu rol yapmaya olan ilgim cok eskiye dayanir.
13:37
Actually, I once paid like 60 dollars
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Aslinda, bir seferinde 60 dolar kadar bir para odeyip
13:39
to see a very great actor to do a version of "King Lear,"
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cok iyi bir tiyatrocunu Kral Lear'i canlandirmasini seyretmeye gittim,
13:43
and I felt really robbed, because by the time the actor started being King Lear,
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ve kendimi dolandirilmis hissettim cunku aktor Kral Lear rolunu oynarken
13:48
he stopped being the great actor that I had paid money to see.
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benim gormek icin para verdigim mukemmel aktor olmaktan cikmisti.
13:51
On the other hand, you know, I paid like three dollars, I think --
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Diger yandan, sanirim uc dolar verip
13:59
and I went to a warehouse in Queens
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Queens'te bir depoda
14:01
to see a version of "Othello" by an amateur group.
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amator bir grup tarafindan sahnelenen Otello'yu izlemeye gittim.
14:06
And it was quite fascinating, because you know the guy --
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Buyuleyiciydi, cunku adi
14:09
his name was Joey Grimaldi --
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Joey Grimaldi olan oyuncu
14:11
he impersonated the Moorish general
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Fasli generali canlandiriyordu
14:14
-- you know, for the first three minutes he was really that general,
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ve ilk uc dakika gercekten o general olmustu,
14:16
and then he went back into plumber, he worked as a plumber, so --
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ve sonra tesisatci oldu, isi tesisatcilikti, arkadan --
14:20
plumber, general, plumber, general --
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tesisatci, general, tesisatci, general --
14:23
so for three dollars, I saw two tragedies for the price of one.
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boylece uc dolara, bir trajedi fiyatina ik tane gormus oldum.
14:29
See, I think it's not really about impression,
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Bence olay izlenimle ilgili olmaktan cok
14:34
making people fall for a really perfect illusion,
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insanlari gercekten mukemmel bir iluzyona inandirmak,
14:36
as much as it is to make -- I usually work at the lowest threshold of visual illusion.
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uretmek de dahil -- Ben cogunlukla gorsel iluzyonun alt sinirinda calisiyorum.
14:42
Because it's not about fooling somebody,
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Cunku olay birilerini kandirmak degil,
14:45
it's actually giving somebody a measure of their own belief:
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kisiye kendi inanislarinin sinirlarini vermek:
14:48
how much you want to be fooled.
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nereye kadar kandirilmak istiyorsunuz.
14:50
That's why we pay to go to magic shows and things like that.
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Iste bu yuzden sihirbazlik ve benzeri gosterilere gidiyoruz.
14:54
Well, I think that's it.
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Iste ben boyle dusunuyorum.
14:56
My time is nearly up.
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Surem bitmek uzere.
14:57
Thank you very much.
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