Ivan Oransky: Are we over-medicalized?

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: K Bang ๊ฒ€ํ† : Amy Ko
00:15
Those of you who have seen the film "Moneyball,"
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘์—์„œ ๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋ณผ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์˜ํ™”๋‚˜
00:19
or have read the book by Michael Lewis,
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๋ฏธ์ดํด ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์“ด ๊ทธ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์œผ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
00:21
will be familiar with the story of Billy Beane.
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๋นŒ๋ฆฌ ๋นˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
00:24
Billy was supposed to be a tremendous ballplayer; all the scouts told him so.
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๋นŒ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ž์งˆ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”; ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณด์ด์Šค์นด์›ƒ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์ฃ 
00:29
They told his parents that
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๊ทธ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์€ ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์—๊ฒŒ
00:30
they predicted that he was going to be a star.
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๋นŒ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€๊ฐ€ ๋ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
But what actually happened when he signed the contract -- and by the way, he didn't
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋กœํŒ€๊ณผ ๊ณ„์•ฝ์„ ๋งบ๊ณ ๋‚˜์„œ, -- ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
00:37
want to sign that contract, he wanted to go to college --
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ํ”„๋กœํŒ€์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
00:39
which is what my mother, who actually does love me,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋„ ์ €๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜์…”์„œ
00:42
said that I should do too, and I did --
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์ € ๋ณด๊ณ ๋„ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€๋ผํ•˜์…จ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋„ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ”์–ด์š”--
00:45
well, he didn't do very well. He struggled mightily.
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ํ•˜์—ฌํŠผ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœํŒ€์—์„œ ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ฃ . ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
00:48
He got traded a couple of times, he ended up in the Minors for most of his career,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ฒˆ์ธ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ ํ•ด์•ผํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์„ ์ˆ˜์ƒํ™œ์„ 2๋ถ€ ๋ฆฌ๊ทธ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ๋ง์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
and he actually ended up in management. He ended up as a General Manager of the
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์ฝ”์นญ์Šคํƒœํ”„์— ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ•ด์„œ ์˜คํด๋žœ๋“œ A๋ผ๋Š” ํŒ€์˜
00:57
Oakland A's.
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00:57
Now for many of you in this room, ending up in management, which is also what I've done,
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์ด๊ฐ๋…์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์‹  ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์€, ์ €์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ๋…์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
01:02
is seen as a success.
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์„ฑ๊ณต์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
01:03
I can assure you that for a kid trying to make it in the Bigs,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ตœ๊ณ  ๋ฆฌ๊ทธ์—์„œ ๋›ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ
01:07
going into management ain't no success story. It's a failure.
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์ฝ”์น˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‹คํŒจ์—์š”.
01:11
And what I want to talk to you about today, and share with you, is that our
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
01:16
healthcare system, our medical system, is just as bad at predicting
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•๋ณดํ—˜์ œ๋„๊ฐ€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์˜๋ฃŒ์ฒด๊ณ„๊ฐ€
01:20
what happens to people in it -- patients, others --
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๋ณดํ—˜์ˆ˜ํ˜œ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด -- ํ™˜์ž๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋“  -- ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์˜ˆ์ธก์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:24
as those scouts were at predicting what would happen to Billy Beane.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ณด์ด์Šค์นด์›ƒ์ด ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ ๋นˆ์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ผ์„ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒํผ์ด๋‚˜ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
And yet, every day
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ, ๋งค์ผ
01:32
thousands of people in this country
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ฒœ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
01:34
are diagnosed with preconditions.
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๋ณ‘์˜ ์ „ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ผ๊ณ  ์ง„๋‹จ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
01:37
We hear about pre-hypertension, we hear about pre-dementia,
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๊ณ ํ˜ˆ์•• ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„, ์น˜๋งค ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„,
01:42
we hear about pre-anxiety, and I'm pretty sure that I diagnosed myself with
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์šฐ์šธ์ฆ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๊ฑด ๋ถ„์žฅ์‹ค๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋„
01:47
that in the green room.
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์ œ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ง„๋‹จํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:48
We also refer to subclinical conditions.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž ๋ณต๋œ ๋ณ‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
There's subclinical atherosclerosis, subclinical hardening of the arteries,
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์ž ์žฌ์  ๋™๋งฅ๊ฒฝํ™”์ฆ, ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ํ˜ˆ๊ด€ ์‘๊ณ ์ฆ,
01:57
obviously linked to heart attacks, potentially.
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์‹ฌ์žฅ๋งˆ๋น„์— ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ด€์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฆ์ƒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
02:01
One of my favorites is called subclinical acne.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์ผ ์šฐ์Šค์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
If you look up subclinical acne, you may find a website, which I did,
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์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆ„์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด๋ฉด, ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊ฑฐ์—์š”. ์ €๋„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ดค์–ด์š”.
02:08
which says that this is the easiest type of acne to treat.
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๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด, ์น˜๋ฃŒํ•˜๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‰ฌ์šด ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์™€์žˆ์–ด์š”.
02:12
You don't have the pustules or the redness and inflammation.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์‚ฌ๋งˆ๊ท€๋‚˜, ๋ถ‰์€ ๋ฐ˜์ , ์—ผ์ฆ๊ฐ™์€๊ฑฐ ์—†์œผ์‹œ์ฃ .
02:19
Maybe that's because you don't actually have acne.
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์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒ ์ž ์žฌ์  ์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆ„์ฆ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฑธ์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ผ์š”.
02:23
I have a name for all of these conditions, it's another precondition:
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฆ์ƒ๋“ค์— ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋ถ™์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ „ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ฃ :
02:29
I call them preposterous.
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์ €๋Š” '๋ชฐ์ƒ์‹ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
In baseball, the game follows the pre-game.
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์•ผ๊ตฌ์—์„œ๋Š” ์‹œ๋ฒ” ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋ณธ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์ฃ .
02:37
Season follows the pre-season.
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ํ”„๋ฆฌ์‹œ์ฆŒ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ์‹œ์ฆŒ์ด ์‹œ์ž‘๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:40
But with a lot of these conditions, that actually isn't the case, or at least it isn't the
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.. ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
02:44
case all the time. It's as if there's a rain delay, every single time in many cases.
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—, ๊ทธ์ € ์šฐ์ฒœ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ง€์—ฐ๋˜๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
02:49
We have pre-cancerous lesions,
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์•”์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”
02:50
which often don't turn into cancer.
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์•”์˜ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„ ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:54
And yet,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ,
02:56
if you take, for example, subclinical osteoporosis, a bone thinning disease,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ๋“ค์–ด, ์ง€๊ฐ ์ „ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์˜ ๊ณจ๋‹ค๊ณต์ฆ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ๋ผˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ณ‘์ด์ง€์š”,
03:00
the precondition,
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์ „ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€
03:01
otherwise known as osteopenia,
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๊ณจ์›์„ฑ์ฆ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์ฃ ,
03:04
you would have to treat 270 women for three years
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270๋ช…์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ™˜์ž์ค‘์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ 3๋…„์•ˆ์— ๋ผˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋Ÿฌ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š”
03:07
in order to prevent one broken bone.
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์ •๋„๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:10
That's an awful lot of women
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์ด๊ฑด ๋ง์ด์ฃ ,
03:11
when you multiply by the number of women who were diagnosed
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์ด ์ •๋„์˜ ์ฆ์ƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ™˜์ž๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ
03:14
with this osteopenia.
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๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
03:16
And so is it any wonder,
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๋†€๋ผ์šธ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์ด
03:18
given all of the costs and the side effects
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์ด ์ •๋„์˜ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„ ์ฆ์ƒ์„ ์น˜๋ฃŒํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
03:21
of the drugs that we're using to treat these preconditions, that every year
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ์•ฝ์˜ ๋ถ€์ž‘์šฉ์„ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ,
03:25
we're spending more than two trillion dollars on healthcare and yet
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 2์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ด์ƒ์„ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณต์ง€์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
03:29
100,000 people a year -- and that's a conservative estimate -- are dying
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ผ๋…„์— 10๋งŒ๋ช…์€ -- ๊ทธ๋‚˜๋งˆ ์ ๊ฒŒ ์žก์€ ์ˆ˜์—์š” --
03:32
not because of the conditions they have,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฆ์„ธ ์ž์ฒด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
03:34
but because of the treatments that we're giving them and the complications of those treatments?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ์น˜๋ฃŒํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ํ˜น์€ ์น˜๋ฃŒ์˜ ๋ณตํ•ฉ์ฆ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ฃฝ์–ด๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”?
03:38
We've medicalized everything
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
03:41
in this country.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฃŒํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
Women in the audience, I have some
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์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„๋“ค... ์ œ๊ฐ€
03:45
pretty bad news that you already know,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‚˜์œ ๋‰ด์Šค๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
and that's that every aspect of your life
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค ์ƒํ™œ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฉด์ด
03:50
has been medicalized.
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์˜๋ฃŒํ™”๋˜์–ด ๋ฒ„๋ ธ์–ด์š”.
03:51
Strike one is when you hit puberty.
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์ฒซ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ผ์ดํฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ถ˜๊ธฐ์— ์ ‘์–ด๋“ค ์‹œ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
You now have something that happens to you once a month that has been medicalized.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ•œ๋‹ฌ์— ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ณ‘์› ์‹ ์„ธ๋ฅผ ์ ธ์•ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ฆ์„ธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
03:58
It's a condition;
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ฆ์„ธ์—์š”;
03:59
it has to be treated. Strike two
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์น˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”. ๋‘๋ฒˆ์จฐ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ผ์ดํฌ๋Š”
04:00
is if you get pregnant.
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์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์„ ๋–„ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
That's been medicalized as well.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์˜๋ฃŒํ™”๋˜์–ด ๋ณ‘์› ์‹ ์„ธ๋ฅผ ์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:05
You have to have a high-tech experience
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์ž„์‹  ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ์ค‘์— ์ฒจ๋‹จ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•ด์•ผ์ฃ 
04:07
of pregnancy, otherwise something might go wrong.
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์•ˆ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ๋ชป ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
04:10
Strike three is menopause.
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์„ธ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ผ์ดํฌ๋Š” ํ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ๋–„์—์š”.
04:13
We all know what happened when millions of women were given hormone replacement therapy
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ํ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ์ฆ์ƒ์— ํ˜ธ๋ฅด๋ชฌ ์ฒ˜๋ฐฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์„๋–„
04:18
for menopausal symptoms
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:21
for decades until all of a sudden we realized, because a study came out, a big one,
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๋–„๊นŒ์ง€ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ
04:25
NIH-funded.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋Š” NIH(๊ตญ๋ฆฝ์œ„์ƒ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์†Œ) ์—์„œ ์ง€์›ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:26
It said,
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์—ฐ๊ตฌ์—์„œ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
04:27
actually, a lot of that hormone replacement therapy may be doing more harm than good
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์น˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑํ™˜์ž์—๊ฒŒ ํ˜ธ๋ฅด๋ชฌ ์น˜๋ฃŒ๋ฒ•์€
04:32
for many of those women.
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๋“๋ณด๋‹ค ์‹ค์ด ๋งŽ์•˜๋‹ค.
04:33
Just in case,
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ํ˜น์‹œ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋‹ˆ,
04:36
I don't want to leave the men out --
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๋‚จ์ž๋“ค๋„ ๋บด๋†“๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
04:37
I am one, after all --
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์ €๋„ ์–ด์ฉ„๋“  ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ฃ --
04:39
I have really bad news for all of you in this room,
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์‹  ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋‚˜์œ ๋‰ด์Šค๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
and for everyone
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ
04:43
listening and watching elsewhere:
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๋ณด๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค:
04:44
You all have
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋ชจ๋‘
04:46
a universally fatal condition.
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์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์น˜๋ช…์ ์ธ ์ฆ์ƒ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:48
So, just take a moment.
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์ž ๊น ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์ฃ .
04:52
It's called pre-death.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃฝ์Œ ์ „์กฐ๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
Every single one of you has it, because you have the risk factor for it,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์ฃฝ์„ ์œ„ํ—˜ ์š”์†Œ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
04:58
which is being alive.
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์‚ด์•„์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์š”.
05:00
But I have some good news for you, because
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ข‹์€ ๋‰ด์Šค๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
05:03
I'm a journalist, I like to end things in a happy way or a forward-thinking way.
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์ €๋Š” ์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์ด๊ณ  ๋ญ๋“  ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๋ง์„ ๋งบ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง„์ทจ์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋๋‚ด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
05:07
And that good news is that if you can survive to the end of my talk, which
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์ข‹์€ ๋‰ด์Šค๋ž€, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด ๊ฐ•์˜๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ด์•„๊ณ„์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
05:11
we'll see if that happens for everyone,
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์ง€ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”?
05:14
you will be a pre-vivor.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ์ฆ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
I made up pre-death.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์Œ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ผ๋Š” ์ฆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
05:22
If I used someone else's pre-death, I apologize,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ„์˜ ์ฃฝ์Œ-์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์‚ฌ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
05:26
I think I made it up.
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
I didn't make up pre-vivor.
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์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ์ฆ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
05:29
Pre-vivor is what a particular cancer advocacy group would like everyone who
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์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ๋“ฑ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์–ด๋–ค ์•” ์šฐํ˜ธ ๋‹จ์ฒด์—์„œ
05:34
just has a risk factor,
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๊ทธ์ € ์œ„ํ—˜ ์ธ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ ๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
05:36
but hasn't actually had that cancer,
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์‹ค์ œ ์•”์ด ๋ฐœํ˜„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€
05:38
to call themselves.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ช…์นญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:40
You are a pre-vivor.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ์ฆ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:41
We've had HBO here this morning. I'm wondering if Mark Burnett is anywhere in the
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ์— HBO(๋ฐฉ์†ก ์ฑ„๋„)์„ ๋ดค์–ด์š”. ๋งˆํฌ ๋ฒ„๋„ท์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ฒญ์ค‘ ์ค‘์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ,
05:46
audience, I'd like to suggest
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:47
a reality TV show called "Pre-vivor."
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"์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ"๋ผ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋งŒ๋“œ์„ธ์š”.
05:51
If you develop a disease, you're off the island.
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๋ณ‘์ด ๋ฐœํ˜„๋˜๋ฉด, ์„ฌ์—์„œ ์ซ“๊ฒจ๋‚˜๋Š”.. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ๋ง์ด์—์š”.
05:55
But the problem is, we have a system
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
06:00
that is completely --
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ œ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. --
06:02
basically promoted this.
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ œ๋„๋ฅผ ์กฐ์žฅํ–ˆ๋˜๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:04
We've selected, at every point in this system,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ œ๋„๋‚ด์˜ ๊ณณ๊ณณ์—์„œ
06:07
to do what we do, and to give everyone a precondition and then eventually
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ…Œ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•œ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ฒŒ๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์ž ์žฌ์  ์ฆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ๊ณ 
06:11
a condition, in some cases.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ง„๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•œ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:13
Start with the doctor-patient relationship. Doctors, most of them,
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์˜์‚ฌ์™€ ํ™˜์ž์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”. ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ๋“ค์€
06:17
are in a fee-for-service system. They are basically incentivized to do more --
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์ง„๋ฃŒ๋‹น ๋ณด์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ œ๋„์•ˆ์— ๋†“์—ฌ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค --
06:22
procedures, tests,
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์ง€๋ฃŒ๋“ , ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋“ ,
06:24
prescribe medications.
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์ฒ˜๋ฐฉ์ด๋“  ๋ง์ด์—์š”.
06:25
Patients come to them,
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ํ™˜์ž๋“ค์€ ์˜์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์™€์„œ
06:27
they want to do something. We're Americans, we can't just stand
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๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๊ธธ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฐ€๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑธ ์ฐธ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:31
there, we have to do something. And so they want a drug.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ฝ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:34
They want a treatment. They want to be told, this is what you have and this is how
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์ฒ˜์ง€๋ฐ›๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ผ๋„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์ฃ .
06:37
you treat it. If the doctor doesn't give you that,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
06:40
you go somewhere else.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:42
That's not very good for doctors' business.
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์˜์‚ฌ์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์—…์ƒ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
06:43
Or even worse,
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด๋Š”
06:45
if you are diagnosed with something eventually, and the doctor didn't order that test,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ง„๋‹จ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์˜๋ขฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
06:49
you get sued.
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์†Œ์†ก์„ ๋‚ด์ฃ .
06:51
We have pharmaceutical companies that are constantly trying to expand
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ, ์„ธ์ƒ์—”, ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ฆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ์•”์‹œํ•˜๊ณ 
06:54
the indications, expand the number of people who are eligible for a given treatment,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฒ˜๋ฐฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€์ƒ์ž๋ฅผ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์•ฝํ’ˆ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•„์š”.
07:00
because that obviously helps their bottom line. We have advocacy groups,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์ต์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”. ๋˜, '์ƒ์กด-์ „์กฐ' ๊ฐ™์€๊ฑธ ๋‚ด๋†“๋Š”
07:03
like the one that's come up with pre-vivor,
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์˜นํ˜ธ์ž๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
who want to make more and more people feel they are at risk, or might have a condition,
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์ด๋“ค์€ ๋”์šฑ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์œ„ํ—˜์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ฆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:09
so that they can raise more funds
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ž๊ธˆ์„ ํ™•๋ณดํ•˜๊ณ 
07:11
and raise visibility, et cetera.
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์ธ์ง€๋„๋„ ๋†’์ด๊ณ .. ๊ณ„์† ์ด๋Ÿฐ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
07:14
But this isn't actually,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฑด
07:16
despite what journalists typically do, this isn't actually about blaming
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์–ธ๋ก ์ธ๋“ค์ด ํ”ํžˆ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์–ด๋–ค ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์š”์ธ์—
07:19
particular players.
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๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฑธ ๋’ค์ง‘์–ด ์”Œ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:20
We are all responsible.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:22
I'm responsible.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
07:23
I actually root for the Yankees, I mean talk about
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์–‘ํ‚ค์Šค(๋ฏธ๊ตญ ํ”„๋กœ์•ผ๊ตฌ) ํŒ€ ํŽธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
rooting for the worst possible
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์ œ ๋ง์”€์€, ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
07:29
offender when it comes to doing everything you can do.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ž ์ชฝ์— ์„ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
07:32
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:34
But everyone is responsible.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
07:38
I went to medical school,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜๊ณผ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๋‹ค๋…”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:40
and I didn't have a course called How to Think Skeptically,
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ, '์˜๋ฌธ์„ ํ’ˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์ด๋‚˜
07:45
or How Not to Order Tests.
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'๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ณผ๋ชฉ์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ•ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:47
We have this system
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ œ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
07:50
where that's what you do.
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๊ทธ ์ œ๋„์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
And it actually took being a journalist
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ด๊ฑด ์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ณด์ƒ ์ฒด๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ์—ˆ์ฃ .
07:55
to understand all these incentives. You know, economists like to say,
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๊ฒฝ์ œํ•™์ž๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ฃ 
07:59
there are no bad people,
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'๋‚˜์œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์—†๋‹ค.
08:00
there are just bad incentives.
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๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‚˜์œ ๋ณด์ƒ ์ฒด๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ด๋‹ค.' ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
08:02
And that's actually true.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋งž๋Š” ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:03
Because what we've created is a sort of Field of Dreams, when it comes to medical technology.
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์˜๋ฃŒ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋‚ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ 'ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ์‹œ์žฅ'์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:07
So when you put another MRI in every corner, you put a robot
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋ณ‘์›์— MRI ๊ธฐ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋„์ž…ํ•  ๋•Œ,
08:12
in every hospital saying that everyone has to have robotic surgery.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋กœ๋ด‡ ์ˆ˜์ˆ ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋กœ๋ด‡ ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋” ๋“ค์—ฌ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
Well, we've created a system where if you build it, they will come.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ธ ์ œ๋„์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋„์ž…ํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋ชฐ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:19
But you can actually perversely
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜
08:23
tell people to come, convince them
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณ‘์›์— ๊ฐ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ผญ ๊ฐ€์•ผ๋งŒํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ 
08:26
that they have to come.
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์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์™œ๊ณก๋˜๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:27
It was when I became a journalist that I really realized how I was part of this problem,
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ง„์งœ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ
08:32
and how we all are part of this problem.
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์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์ด ๋˜๊ณ ์•ผ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:34
I was medicalizing every risk factor, I was writing stories, commissioning stories,
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์ œ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž ์žฌ์  ์œ„ํ—˜ ์š”์†Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ณ‘์›์— ๊ฐ€๋ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ , ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์กฐ์žฅํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:38
every day, that were trying to,
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฑฑ์ •์— ๋น ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งค์ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:41
not necessarily make people worried, although that was what often happened.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ์ข…์ข… ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฑฑ์ •์— ๋น ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:44
But, you know, there are ways out.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ์š”, ๋น ์ ธ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:47
I saw my own internist last week,
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์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ์— ์ œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์˜๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ
08:49
and he said to me,
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด์ฃ .
08:52
"You know," and he told me something that
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์ด ๋ฐฉ์— ๊ณ„์‹  ์ฒญ์ค‘๋“ค์€
08:54
everyone in this audience could have told me for free,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๊ณต์งœ๋กœ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…จ์„ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•ด ์ฃผ์…จ์–ด์š”.
08:57
but I paid him for the privilege, which is that
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋Œ“๊ฐ€๋กœ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
08:59
I need to lose some weight.
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๊ทธ ๋ง์ธ์ฆ‰, ์ œ ์ฒด์ค‘์„ ์ค„์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์˜€์–ด์š”.
09:01
Well, he's right. I've had honest-to-goodness high blood pressure
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”.. ๊ทธ ๋ถ„ ๋ง์”€์ด ๋งž์ฃ . ์ง€๋‚œ ์‹ญ ์ˆ˜๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณ ํ˜ˆ์••์ด์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
09:05
for a dozen years now, same
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๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚˜์ด์— ์ œ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๊ป˜๋„
09:07
age my father got it,
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๊ณ ํ˜ˆ์••์ด ์žˆ์œผ์…จ์–ด์š”.
09:09
and it's a real disease. It's not pre-hypertension, it's actual
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ง„์งœ ๋ณ‘์ด์ฃ . ๊ณ ํ˜ˆ์•• ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
09:13
hypertension, high blood pressure.
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์ง„์งœ ๊ณ ํ˜ˆ์••์ด์š”. ํ˜ˆ์••์ด ๋†’์•„์ง€๋Š” ๋ณ‘.
09:15
Well, he's right,
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„ ๋ง์”€์ด ์˜ณ์•„์š”.
09:16
but he didn't say to me,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ถ„์€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ,
09:19
well, you have pre-obesity or
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'๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋น„๋งŒ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค' ๋ผ๋“ ๊ฐ€,
09:20
you have pre-diabetes, or anything like that. He didn't say,
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'๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น๋‡จ ์ „๋‹จ๊ณ„ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค' ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
09:24
better start taking this Statin, you need to lower your cholesterol.
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'์ด ์•ฝ์„ ๋“œ์‹œ๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์ฝœ๋ ˆ์Šคํ…Œ๋กค ์ˆ˜์น˜๋ฅผ ๋‚ฎ์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.'๋ผ๊ณ ๋„ ํ•˜์‹ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
09:27
No, he said, "Go out and lose some weight. Come back and see me in a bit,
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ "๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์‹œ๋ฉด ์ฒด์ค‘์„ ์ค„์ด์„ธ์š”. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
09:30
or just give me a call and let me know how you're doing."
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ „ํ™”ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค์ง€๋งŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”" ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:32
So that's, to me,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
09:34
a way forward.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€์‹ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
Billy Beane, by the way, learned the same thing.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๋นŒ๋ฆฌ ๋นˆ์€ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:38
He learned,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ฒƒ์€
09:40
from watching this kid who he eventually hired, who was really successful for him,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์Šค์นด์›ƒํ•œ ์ด ์„ ์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ, ์ด ์„ ์ˆ˜๋“ค์€ ์ •๋ง ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ ,
09:43
that it wasn't swinging for the fences, it wasn't swinging at every pitch
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๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฑฐํฌ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋“ฏ์ด, ํˆฌ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜์งˆ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์•ผ๊ตฌ์žฅ ๋‹ด์žฅ์„ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํœ˜๋‘๋ฅด๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
09:48
like the sluggers do, which is what all the expensive teams like the Yankees like to --
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์–‘ํ‚ค์Šค ์™€๊ฐ™์ด ๋น„์‹ผ ํŒ€๋“ค์˜ ์„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ธด ํ•˜์ฃ  --
09:53
they like to pick up those guys.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ.
09:54
This kid told him, you know, you gotta watch the guys, and you gotta go out and find
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์ด ๋…€์„์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ ์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ๋ˆˆ์—ฌ๊ฒจ ๋ด์•ผํ•ด์š”. ์šด๋™์žฅ์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ
09:59
the guys who like to walk,
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๊ฑธ์–ด์„œ ์ง„๋ฃจํ•˜๋Š” ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:00
because getting on base by a walk
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๊ฑธ์–ด์„œ ์ง„๋ฃจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
10:02
is just as good, and in our healthcare system
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๋˜‘๊ฐ™์ด ์ข‹์€ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด์ด๊ณ ,
10:05
we need to figure out,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณด์žฅ ์ œ๋„์•ˆ์—์„œ
10:06
is that really a good pitch
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
10:08
or should we let it go by and not swing at everything?
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์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ํˆฌ๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ด๋ฒˆ์—” ๋ฐฐํŠธ๋ฅผ ํœ˜๋‘๋ฅด์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚ด๋ฒ„๋ ค ๋‘˜๊นŒ? ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:11
Thanks.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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