The four fish we're overeating -- and what to eat instead | Paul Greenberg

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2016-01-13 ・ TED


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The four fish we're overeating -- and what to eat instead | Paul Greenberg

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00:12
So when I was a kid ...
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Dakle, kada sam bio dijete...
00:15
this was my team.
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ovo je bio moj tim.
00:16
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:17
I stunk at sports.
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Bio sam loš u sportovima.
00:19
I didn't like to play them, I didn't like to watch them.
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Nisam ih volio igrati, niti sam ih volio gledati.
00:22
So this is what I did. I went fishing.
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Ovo je ono što sam ja radio. Išao sam pecati.
00:25
And for all of my growing up I fished on the shores of Connecticut,
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Cijelo svoje djetinjstvo pecao sam na obalama Connecticuta,
00:28
and these are the creatures that I saw on a regular basis.
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I ovo su bića koja sam svakodnevno gledao.
00:32
But after I grew up and went to college,
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Ali nakon što sam odrastao i otišao na fakultet,
00:35
and I came home in the early 90's,
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i došao kući u ranim devedesetima,
00:37
this is what I found.
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pronašao sam ovo.
00:39
My team had shrunk.
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Moj tim se smanjio.
00:41
It was like literally having your roster devastated.
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To je doslovno bilo kao da se vaš tim uništio.
00:44
And as I sort of looked into that,
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A ja sam nekako na to gledao,
00:46
from a very personal point of view as a fisherman,
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sa vrlo osobnog stajališta, kao ribar.
00:48
I started to kind of figure out,
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Onda sam se počeo pitati,
00:50
well, what was the rest of the world thinking about it?
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što ostatak svijeta misli o tome?
00:53
First place I started to look was fish markets.
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Prvo gdje sam tražio odgovor bile su ribarnice.
00:55
And when I went to fish markets,
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Kada sam otišao u ribarnice,
00:57
in spite of where I was --
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neovisno gdje sam bio --
00:58
whether I was in North Carolina, or Paris, or London, or wherever --
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bila to Sjeverna Karolina, ili Pariz, ili London, bilo gdje --
01:02
I kept seeing this weirdly repeating trope of four creatures,
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Neprestano sam viđao četiri vrste čudnih bića,
01:07
again and again --
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opet i opet --
01:08
on the menus, on ice --
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na jelovnicima, na ledu --
01:10
shrimp, tuna, salmon and cod.
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škamp, tuna, losos i bakalar.
01:13
And I thought this was pretty strange,
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Pomislio sam kako je ovo čudno,
01:15
and as I looked at it, I was wondering,
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i dok sam gledao, pitao sam se,
01:17
did anyone else notice this sort of shrinking of the market?
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da li je još netko primjetio ovoliko smanjenje ponude ?
01:21
Well, when I looked into it,
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No, kada sam bolje pogledao,
01:22
I realized that people didn't look at it as their team.
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Shvatio sam da ljudi nisu gledali na njih kao na svoj tim.
01:25
Ordinary people, the way they looked at seafood was like this.
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Način na koji su obični ljudi gledali na morsku ribu bio je ovakav.
01:29
It's not an unusual human characteristic
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Nije neobična ljudska karakteristika
01:31
to reduce the natural world down to very few elements.
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da smanji prirodu na nekoliko elemenata.
01:35
We did it before, 10,000 years ago, when we came out of our caves.
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Učinili smo to prije 10,000 godina, kada smo izašli iz svojih špilja.
01:38
If you look at fire pits from 10,000 years ago,
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Ako pogledate ognjišta prije 10,000 godina,
01:41
you'll see raccoons, you'll see, you know, wolves,
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vidjeti ćete rakune, vidjeti ćete, znate, vukove,
01:44
you'll see all kinds of different creatures.
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vidjeti ćete puno različitih bića.
01:46
But if you telescope to the age of -- you know, 2,000 years ago,
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Ali ako se prebacimo u razdoblje prije 2,000 godina
01:49
you'll see these four mammals:
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vidjeti ćete ova četiri sisavca:
01:51
pigs, cows, sheep and goats.
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svinje, krave, ovce i koze.
01:54
It's true of birds, too.
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Isto je i za ptice.
01:55
You look at the menus in New York City restaurants
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I pogledamo u jelovnike u restoranima u New Yorku
01:58
150 years ago, 200 years ago,
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Prije 150, 200 godina,
02:00
you'll see snipe, woodcock, grouse, dozens of ducks, dozens of geese.
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vidjeti ćete šljuke, divlje kokoške, desetke patki, desetke gusaka.
02:05
But telescope ahead to the age of modern animal husbandry,
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Prebacimo li se u razdoblje modernog stočarstva,
02:07
and you'll see four:
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vidjeti ćete ove četiri vrste:
02:09
turkeys, ducks, chicken and geese.
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Purice, patke, kokoši i guske.
02:12
So it makes sense that we've headed in this direction.
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Tako da ima smisla Što smo krenuli u ovom smjeru.
02:15
But how have we headed in this direction?
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Ali kako smo uopće krenuli u tom smjeru?
02:17
Well ...
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Pa...
02:18
first it's a very, very new problem.
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prije svega, to je novi problem.
02:20
This is the way we've been fishing the oceans over the last 50 years.
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To je način na koji smo lovili po oceanima zadnjih 50 godina.
02:23
World War II was a tremendous incentive to arm ourselves in a war against fish.
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Drugi svjetski rat je bio veliki poticaj da se naoružamo u ratu protiv riba.
02:29
All of the technology that we perfected during World War II --
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Sva tehnologija koju smo usavršili tijekom Drugog svijetskog rata
02:32
sonar, lightweight polymers --
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sonari, lagani polimeri --
02:34
all these things were redirected towards fish.
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sve te stvari su bile usmjerene prema ribama.
02:36
And so you see this tremendous buildup in fishing capacity,
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Tako da vidite ovo veliko pojačavanje kapaciteta ribolova,
02:39
quadrupling in the course of time,
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koje se četiri puta više povećalo
02:41
from the end of World War II to the present time.
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od Drugog svjetskog rata do danas.
02:44
And right now that means
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Trenutno to znači
02:45
we're taking between 80 and 90 million metric tons out of the sea every year.
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da uzimamo između 80 u 90 milijuna metričkih tona ribe iz mora svake godine.
02:49
That's the equivalent of the human weight of China
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To je jednako ljudskoj težini Kine
02:52
taken out of the sea every year.
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uzetoj iz mora svake godine.
02:54
And it's no coincidence that I use China as the example
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Nije slučajnost da koristim Kinu kao primjer
02:57
because China is now the largest fishing nation in the world.
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Zato što je Kina prva zemlja u svijetu što se tiče ribolova.
03:00
Well, that's only half the story.
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No, to je tek pola priče.
03:01
The other half of the story
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Druga polovica priče
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is this incredible boom in fish farming and aquaculture,
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je izvanredan uspon u ribljem uzgoju i akvakulturi.
03:07
which is now, only in the last year or two,
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što je danas, samo u zadnje godinu, dvije,
03:09
starting to exceed the amount of wild fish that we produce.
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Počelo povećavati količinu divlje ribe koju proizvodimo.
03:12
So that if you add wild fish and farmed fish together,
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Pa tako ako dodate divlju i uzgojenu ribu,
03:16
you get the equivalent of two Chinas created from the ocean
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dobijete ekvivalent od dvije Kine stvorene iz oceana
03:20
each and every year.
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svake godine.
03:21
And again, it's not a coincidence that I use China as the example,
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Ponavljam, nije slučajnost da koristim Kinu kao primjer,
03:24
because China, in addition to being the biggest catcher of fish,
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zato što Kina, osim što je broj jedan u ribolovu,
03:27
is also the biggest farmer of fish.
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također je najveći uzgajivač ribe.
03:30
So let's look though at the four choices we are making right now.
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Pogledajmo sada četiri izbora riba.
03:35
The first one --
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Prva,
03:36
by far the most consumed seafood in America and in much of the West,
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najviše konzumirana morska riba u Americi i na zapadu
03:40
is shrimp.
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je škamp.
03:41
Shrimp in the wild -- as a wild product --
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Škamp u divljini Kao proizvod divljine
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is a terrible product.
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je užasan proizvod.
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5, 10, 15 pounds of wild fish are regularly killed
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2, 4, 6 kilograma divlje ribe se redovito ubija
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to bring one pound of shrimp to the market.
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da bi se dobio jedan kilogram škampa na tržištu.
03:52
They're also incredibly fuel inefficient to bring to the market.
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Također su iznimno energetski neučinkoviti za prijenos na tržište.
03:55
In a recent study that was produced out of Dalhousie University,
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U zadnjem istraživanju koje je provelo Dalhousie University,
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it was found that dragging for shrimp
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ustanovljeno je da je lov na škampe
04:00
is one of the most carbon-intensive ways of fishing that you can find.
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jedan od najvećih visoko ugljičnih načina koje se može loviti.
04:04
So you can farm them,
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Tako da ih možete uzgajati,
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and people do farm them,
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ljudi ih zaista uzgajaju,
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and they farm them a lot in this very area.
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i uzgajaju ih najviše na tom području.
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Problem is ...
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Problem je...
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the place where you farm shrimp is in these wild habitats --
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taj što su mjesta na kojima se uzgajaju u divljem staništu,
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in mangrove forests.
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Uumangrovim šumama.
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Now look at those lovely roots coming down.
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Pogledajte divno korijenje koje se spušta.
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Those are the things that hold soil together,
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Zadržavaju zemlju,
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protect coasts, create habitats for all sorts of young fish, young shrimp,
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štiti obale, stvara staništa za sve vrste mladih riba, mladih škampa,
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all sorts of things that are important to this environment.
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i sve ostale važne stvari koje su bitne za okoliš.
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Well, this is what happens to a lot of coastal mangrove forests.
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Dakle, ovo se događa u većini obalnih mangrovnih šuma.
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We've lost millions of acres of coastal mangroves
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Izgubili smo milijune hektara obalnih mangrova
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over the last 30 or 40 years.
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u zadnjih 30 do 40 godina.
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That rate of destruction has slowed,
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Ta stopa uništenja se usporila,
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but we're still in a major mangrove deficit.
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ali smo i dalje u velikom deficitu mangrovnih šuma.
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The other thing that's going on here
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Još jedna stvar koja se ovdje događa
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is a phenomenon that the filmmaker Mark Benjamin called "Grinding Nemo."
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Je fenomen redatelja Marka Benjamina zvan ''mljevenje Nema''.
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This phenomenon is very, very relevant
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Ovaj fenomen je jako, jako relevantan
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to anything that you've ever seen on a tropical reef.
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za sve što ste ikada vidjeli na tropskom grebenu.
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Because what's going on right now,
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Jer ono što se sada događa je to
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we have shrimp draggers dragging for shrimp,
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da imamo lovce na škampe,
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catching a huge amount of bycatch,
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koji love velike količine neželjenih riba
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that bycatch in turn gets ground up and turned into shrimp food.
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Koje budu prerađene u hranu za škampe.
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And sometimes, many of these vessels --
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I često ove brodice --
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manned by slaves --
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kojima upravljaju robovi --
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are catching these so-called "trash fish,"
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love ribu koja je ''smeće'',
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fish that we would love to see on a reef,
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ribu koju bismo htjeli vidjeti na grebenima,
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grinding them up
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melju ih
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and turning them into shrimp feed --
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i pretvaraju u hranu za škampe --
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an ecosystem literally eating itself and spitting out shrimp.
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ekosustav koji jede sam sebe i ispljune škampe.
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The next most consumed seafood in America,
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Sljedeća najviše konzumirana riba u Americi,
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and also throughout the West,
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i također na zapadu,
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is tuna.
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je tuna.
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So tuna is this ultimate global fish.
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Tuna je univerzalna riba.
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These huge management areas have to be observed
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Velika područja moraju biti čuvana
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in order for tuna to be well managed.
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kako bi se tuna dobro kontrolirala.
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Our own management area,
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Naše kontrolno područje
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called a Regional Fisheries Management Organization,
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zove se Regionalna upravna organizacija ribarnica,
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is called ICCAT,
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tj. ICCAT -
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the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas.
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Međunarodna komisija za očuvanje atlantskih tuna.
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The great naturalist Carl Safina once called it,
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Veliki prirodnjak Carl Safina je to jednom nazvao
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"The International Conspiracy to Catch all the Tunas."
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''Internacionalna Urota za Lov svih Tuna''.
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Of course we've seen incredible improvement
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Naravno, vidjeli smo veliki napredak
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in ICCAT in the last few years,
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u ICCAT-u zadnjih par godina,
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there is total room for improvement,
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ima puno mjesta za napredak,
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but it remains to be said that tuna is a global fish,
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ali i dalje tvrde da je tuna globalna riba,
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and to manage it, we have to manage the globe.
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i da bismo to promjenili moramo promjeniti svijet.
05:54
Well, we could also try to grow tuna
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Možemo pokušati i uzgajati tunu,
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but tuna is a spectacularly bad animal for aquaculture.
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ali tuna je spektakularno loša životinja za akvakulturu.
05:59
Many people don't know this but tuna are warm-blooded.
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Većina ljudi ne zna da je tuna toplokrvna.
06:02
They can heat their bodies 20 degrees above ambient temperature,
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Mogu se zagrijati i do 20 stupnjeva iznad temperature zraka,
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they can swim at over 40 miles an hour.
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mogu plivati i preko 40 km/h.
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So that pretty much eliminates
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To poprilično eliminira
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all the advantages of farming a fish, right?
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sve prednosti uzgoja , zar ne?
06:12
A farmed fish is --
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A uzgojna riba je --
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or a fish is cold-blooded, it doesn't move too much.
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hladnkokrvna i ne kreće se previše.
06:16
That's a great thing for growing protein.
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To je sjajna stvar za uzgoj proteina.
06:18
But if you've got this crazy, wild creature
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Ali ako imate ovo ludo, divlje biće
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that swims at 40 miles an hour and heats its blood --
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koje pliva 40 hm/h i zagrijava svoju krv --
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not a great candidate for aquaculture.
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nije baš idealan kandidat za akvakulturu.
06:25
The next creature --
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Sljedeće biće --
06:27
most consumed seafood in America and throughout the West --
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koje naviše konzumira Amerika i zapad --
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is salmon.
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Je losos.
06:31
Now salmon got its plundering, too,
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Naravno i losos je bio ''pljačkan''
06:33
but it didn't really necessarily happen through fishing.
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što se nije nužno događalo kroz ribolov.
06:36
This is my home state of Connecticut.
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Ovo je moja država Connecticut.
06:38
Connecticut used to be home to a lot of wild salmon.
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Connecticut je nekada bio dom divljeg lososa.
06:41
But if you look at this map of Connecticut,
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No, ako pogledate ovu mapu Connecticuta,
06:43
every dot on that map is a dam.
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svaka točka na mapi je nasip.
06:47
There are over 3,000 dams in the state of Connecticut.
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Postoji više od 3,000 nasipa u Connecticutu.
06:51
I often say this is why people in Connecticut are so uptight --
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Zato ja znam reći da su ljudi u Connecticutu napeti --
06:54
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:56
If somebody could just unblock Connecticut's chi,
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Kada bi bar netko mogao odblokirati chi Connecticuta,
07:00
I feel that we could have an infinitely better world.
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mislim da bi tada svijet mogao biti bolji.
07:02
But I made this particular comment
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Ali ovo sam komentirao
07:04
at a convention once of national parks officers,
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i na okupljanju čuvara nacionalnih parkova
07:06
and this guy from North Carolina sidled up to me, he says,
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gdje je jedan član iz Sjeverne Karoline došao i rekao:
07:09
"You know, you oughtn't be so hard on your Connecticut,
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''Znaš, ne smiješ tako govoriti o svom Connecticutu
07:13
cause we here in North Carolina, we got 35,000 dams."
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zato što mi ovdje u Sjevernoj Karolini imamo 35,000 nasipa.''
07:17
So it's a national epidemic, it's an international epidemic.
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Tako da ovo nije državna već internacionalna epidemija.
07:20
And there are dams everywhere,
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Nasipi su posvuda,
07:22
and these are precisely the things
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i baš oni će spriječiti
07:23
that stop wild salmon from reaching their spawning grounds.
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divljeg lososa da ne dosegne mjesto gdje može izleći jaja.
07:26
So as a result, we've turned to aquaculture,
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Kao rezultat toga okrenuli smo se akvakulturi,
07:28
and salmon is one the most successful, at least from a numbers point of view.
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što čini uzgoj lososa najuspješnijim, s brojnih gledališta.
07:32
When they first started farming salmon,
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Kada smo počeli uzgajati lososa
07:34
it could take as many as six pounds of wild fish
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trebalo nam je oko tri kilograma divlje ribe
07:37
to make a single pound of salmon.
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da napravimo pola kilograma lososa.
07:39
The industry has, to its credit, greatly improved.
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Industrija se, priznajmo im to, vrlo poboljšala.
07:42
They've gotten it below two to one,
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Smanjili su odnos na kilogram za pola,
07:44
although it's a little bit of a cheat
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iako je to pomalo i prijevara
07:46
because if you look at the way aquaculture feed is produced,
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jer, ako pogledamo način na koji se proizvode,
07:49
they're measuring pellets --
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vidimo da mjere palete na način:
07:50
pounds of pellets per pound of salmon.
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kilogram peleta po kilogramu lososa.
07:53
Those pellets are in turn reduced fish.
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Ti peleti smanjuju kvalitetu ribe.
07:55
So the actual -- what's called the FIFO, the fish in and the fish out --
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Koja riba ide unutra a koja van?
07:59
kind of hard to say.
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Teško je reći.
08:00
But in any case,
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Ali u svakom slučaju,
08:02
credit to the industry,
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pohvale idu industriji
08:03
it has lowered the amount of fish per pound of salmon.
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što je smanjila količinu ribe po kilogramu lososa.
08:05
Problem is we've also gone crazy
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Problem je i u tome što smo pretjerali
08:08
with the amount of salmon that we're producing.
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i u količini lososa kojeg proizvodimo.
08:10
Aquaculture is the fastest growing food system on the planet.
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Akvakultura je najbrže rastući prehrambeni sustav na planetu.
08:13
It's growing at something like seven percent per year.
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Raste otprilike oko 7% godišnje.
08:16
And so even though we're doing less per fish
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Unatoč tome što koristimo manje riba
08:20
to bring it to the market,
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koje stavljamo na tržište,
08:22
we're still killing a lot of these little fish.
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i dalje ubijamo veliku količinu tih malih riba.
08:25
And it's not just fish that we're feeding fish to,
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Ne radi se samo o ribama kojima hranimo druge ribe,
08:28
we're also feeding fish to chickens and pigs.
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također ribama hranimo i kokoši i svinje.
08:31
So we've got chickens and they're eating fish,
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Tako da imamo kokoši koje jedu ribe,
08:34
but weirdly, we also have fish that are eating chickens.
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i začuđujuće, ribe koje jedu kokoši.
08:38
Because the byproducts of chickens -- feathers, blood, bone --
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Zato što se dijelovi kokoške, kao što su perje, krv i kosti,
08:41
get ground up and fed to fish.
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samelju i time nahrane ribe.
08:44
So I often wonder,
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Često se pitam,
08:45
is there a fish that ate a chicken that ate a fish?
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postoji li negdje riba koja je pojela kokoš koja je pojela ribu?
08:49
It's sort of a reworking of the chicken and egg thing. Anyway --
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Podsjeća na pitanje o kokoši i jajetu?
08:52
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:53
All together, though, it results in a terrible mess.
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Sve zajedno rezultira velikim neredom.
08:56
What you're talking about
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Ono o čemu pričamo
08:57
is something between 20 and 30 million metric tons of wild creatures
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jest to da je između 20 i 30 milijuna tona divljih bića
09:03
that are taken from the ocean and used and ground up.
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izvađeno iz oceana i iskorišteno.
09:06
That's the equivalent of a third of a China,
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To je jednako jednoj trećini Kine,
09:08
or of an entire United States of humans
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ili cijelim Sjedinjenim Američkim Državama
09:10
that's taken out of the sea each and every year.
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izvađenima iz mora iz godine u godinu.
09:14
The last of the four is a kind of amorphous thing.
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Zadnja od četiri je bezoblična riba.
09:16
It's what the industry calls "whitefish."
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Ono što u industriji zovu ''bijela riba''.
09:20
There are many fish that get cycled into this whitefish thing
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Postoji mnogo stvari koje se stavljaju u ovu bijelu ribu,
09:23
but the way to kind of tell the story, I think,
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a najbolji način za ispričati priču je, mislim,
09:25
is through that classic piece of American culinary innovation,
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kroz klasičnu priču Američke kulinarske inovacije,
09:28
the Filet-O-Fish sandwich.
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ribljeg sendviča.
09:29
So the Filet-O-Fish sandwich actually started as halibut.
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Riblji je sendvič zapravo nastao uporabom iveraka.
09:32
And it started because a local franchise owner
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Počeo je zato što je lokalni vlasnik McDonaldsa
09:35
found that when he served his McDonald's on Friday, nobody came.
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zaključio da kada je posluživao svoj jelovnik petkom, nitko nije došao.
09:40
Because it was a Catholic community, they needed fish.
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Bio je u katoličkoj sredini gdje su jeli ribu petkom.
09:43
So he went to Ray Kroc and he said,
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Otišao je do Ray Kroca i rekao,
09:45
"I'm going to bring you a fish sandwich, going to be made out of halibut."
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''Napraviti ću ti riblji sendvič koji ću napraviti od iveraka.''
09:48
Ray Kroc said, "I don't think it's going to work.
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Ray Krock je rekao '' Ne vjerujem da ćeš uspjeti.
09:51
I want to do a Hula Burger,
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Želim napraviti Hula burger
09:52
and there's going to be a slice of pineapple on a bun.
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koji će imati komad ananasa na vrhu.
09:54
But let's do this, let's have a bet.
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Ali može, hajde da se kladimo.
09:56
Whosever sandwich sells more, that will be the winning sandwich."
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Čiji se sendvič bude bolje prodavao, to će biti pobjednički sendvič.''
10:00
Well, it's kind of sad for the ocean that the Hula Burger didn't win.
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Na veliku žalost oceana, Hula burger nije pobijedio,
10:04
So he made his halibut sandwich.
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Uspio je napraviti svoj riblji sendvič.
10:06
Unfortunately though, the sandwich came in at 30 cents.
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Nažalost, sendvič je koštao 30 centi,
10:10
Ray wanted the sandwich to come in at 25 cents,
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a Ray je htio da košta 25 centi,
10:12
so he turned to Atlantic cod.
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Pa se okrenio atlantskom bakalaru.
10:14
We all know what happened to Atlantic cod in New England.
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A svi znamo što se dogodilo bakalaru u Novoj Engleskoj.
10:17
So now the Filet-O-Fish sandwich is made out of Alaska pollock,
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Tako da je danas riblji sendvič napravljen od aljaške kolje,
10:20
it's the largest fin fish fishery in the United States,
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koja je najbolja uzgojna riba u SAD-u,
10:23
2 to 3 billion pounds of fish taken out of the sea every single year.
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2 do 3 milijardi kilograma te ribe vadi se iz more svake godine.
10:28
If we go through the pollock,
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Ako nestane kolje,
10:29
the next choice is probably going to be tilapia.
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sljedeći izbor će vjerojatno biti tilapija.
10:32
Tilapia is one of those fish nobody ever heard of 20 years ago.
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Tilapija je riba za koju nitko nije čuo do prije 20 godina.
10:35
It's actually a very efficient converter of plant protein into animal protein,
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Ona je jako učinkovita u pretvorbi biljnih proteina u životinjske,
10:39
and it's been a godsend to the third world.
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bila je spas za treći svijet.
10:41
It's actually a tremendously sustainable solution,
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To je zapravo održivo riješenje,
10:43
it goes from an egg to an adult in nine months.
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treba devet mjeseci razvitka do odraslog oblika.
10:46
The problem is that when you look about the West,
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Problem je što, kada pogledamo zapad,
10:48
it doesn't do what the West wants it to do.
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to nije ono što zapad želi.
10:50
It really doesn't have what's called an oily fish profile.
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Nema ono nešto što se zove uljni riblji profil.
10:53
It doesn't have the EPA and DHA omega-3s
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Nema EPA i DHA omega-3 kiselina
10:55
that we all think are going to make us live forever.
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za koje mislimo da će nam podariti vječni život.
10:59
So what do we do?
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Što moramo napraviti?
11:00
I mean, first of all, what about this poor fish, the clupeids?
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Mislim, kao prvo, šta ćemo s ovom jadnom ribom, srdeljkom ?
11:03
The fish that represent a huge part of that 20 to 30 million metric tons.
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To je riba koja čini veliki dio od tih 20,30 milijuna tona.
11:08
Well, one possibility that a lot of conservationists have raised
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Pojavilo se pitanje
11:11
is could we eat them?
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možemo li ih jesti?
11:13
Could we eat them directly instead of feeding them to salmon?
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Možemo li ih jesti direktno, da njima ne hranimo prvo losose?
11:16
There are arguments for it.
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Ovo su argumenti.
11:17
They are tremendously fuel efficient to bring to market,
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Zahtjevaju puno energetske vrijednosti da bi se stavile na tržište,
11:20
a fraction of the fuel cost of say, shrimp,
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dio te vrijednosti košta, kao jedan škamp,
11:22
and at the very top of the carbon efficiency scale.
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i na samom je vrhu što se tiče efikasnosti ugljikohidrata.
11:25
They also are omega-3 rich, a great source for EPA and DHA.
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Također su bogate omega-3 kiselinama, odličan izvor EPA i DHA.
11:30
So that is a potential.
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To je potencijal.
11:31
And if we were to go down that route what I would say is,
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No ako ćemo već ići u tom smjeru,
11:35
instead of paying a few bucks a pound -- or a few bucks a ton, really --
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umjesto da plaćamo nekoliko dolara za kilogram, ili tonu,
11:39
and making it into aquafeed,
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i hranimo njima ribe,
11:41
could we halve the catch and double the price for the fishermen
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možemo li prepoloviti ulov i udvostručiti cijenu za ribolovce
11:44
and make that our way of treating these particular fish?
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I tako odlučivati o sudbini tih riba?
11:49
Other possibility though, which is much more interesting,
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Druga mogućnost,koja je puno zanimljivija,
11:51
is looking at bivalves, particularly mussels.
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je da obratimo pažnju na školjkaše, posebno dagnje.
11:54
Now, mussels are very high in EPA and DHA, they're similar to canned tuna.
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Dagnje sadrže veliku koncentraciju EPA i DHA, slične su konzerviranoj tuni.
11:59
They're also extremely fuel efficient.
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Imaju veliku energetsku vrijednost.
12:01
To bring a pound of mussels to market
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Stavljanje dagnji na tržište
12:03
is about a thirtieth of the carbon as required to bring beef to market.
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čini jednu trećinu ugljikohidrata što je isto kao i kod govedine.
12:06
They require no forage fish,
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Ne zahtjevaju dohranu ribama
12:08
they actually get their omega-3s by filtering the water of microalgae.
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Dobiju svoje omega 3 kiseline filtracijom mikroalgi u vodi.
12:12
In fact, that's where omega-3s come from, they don't come from fish.
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Ustvari, tako i dobivamo omega 3 kiseline, ne iz ribe.
12:15
Microalgae make the omega-3s, they're only bioconcentrated in fish.
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Mikroalge proizvode omega 3 kiseline koje se koncentriraju u ribama.
12:19
Mussels and other bivalves
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Dagnje i ostali školjkaši
12:21
do tremendous amounts of water filtration.
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naveliko filtriraju vodu.
12:23
A single mussel can filter dozens of gallons every single day.
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Jedna dagnja može filtrirati na destke galona vode svakog dana.
12:26
And this is incredibly important when we look at the world.
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To je jako bitno kada pogledamo svijet.
12:29
Right now, nitrification, overuse of phosphates in our waterways
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Trenutno, nitrati i prevelika uporaba fosfata iz vode
12:33
are causing tremendous algal blooms.
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uzrokuju preveliko cvjetanje algi.
12:35
Over 400 new dead zones have been created in the last 20 years,
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Više od 400 mrtvih zona stvoreno je u zadnjih 20 godina,
12:39
tremendous sources of marine life death.
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veliki uzrok umiranja riba.
12:44
We also could look at not a fish at all.
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Također uopće ne moramo ni gledati na ribu.
12:46
We could look at a vegetable.
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Možemo pogledati i povrće.
12:47
We could look at seaweed, the kelps,
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Možemo pogledati morsku travu,
12:49
all these different varieties of things that can be high in omega-3s,
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i sve ostale stvari koje mogu biti pune omega 3 kiselina,
12:53
can be high in proteins,
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pune proteina,
12:54
tremendously good things.
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i ostalih odličnih stvari.
12:56
They filter the water just like mussels do.
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Filtriraju vodu poput dagnji.
12:58
And weirdly enough,
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Začuđujuće,
13:00
it turns out that you can actually feed this to cows.
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izgleda da ovime možete hraniti i krave.
13:02
Now, I'm not a big fan of cattle.
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Ja nisam veliki fan stoke,
13:04
But if you wanted to keep growing cattle
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Ali ako želite uzgajati stoku
13:06
in a time and place where water resources are limited,
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u vremenu i mjestu gdje su izvori vode ograničeni,
13:09
you're growing seaweed in the water, you don't have to water it --
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možete uzgajati morsku travu u vodi, čak je ne morate zaljevati,
13:12
major consideration.
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razmislite.
13:14
And the last fish is a question mark.
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Zadnja riba je pod velikim upitnikom.
13:17
We have the ability to create aquacultured fish
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Imamo mogućnost stvoriti uzgojnu ribu,
13:21
that creates a net gain of marine protein for us.
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koja stvara neto dobit morskog proteina za nas.
13:24
This creature would have to be vegetarian,
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Ovo biće moralo bi biti vegeterijanac,
13:26
it would have to be fast growing,
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moralo bi brzo rasti,
13:28
it would have to be adaptable to a changing climate
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moralo bi se prilagoditi na promjenjivu klimu
13:31
and it would have to have that oily fish profile,
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i moralo bi imati taj uljni riblji profil,
13:33
that EPA, DHA, omega-3 fatty acid profile that we're looking for.
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EPA, DHA, omega 3 kiseline koje tražimo.
13:37
This exists kind of on paper.
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To postoji samo na papiru.
13:40
I have been reporting on these subjects for 15 years.
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Izvještavam o ovim temama već 15 godina.
13:44
Every time I do a new story, somebody tells me,
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Svaki put kada napravim novu priču netko mi kaže
13:47
"We can do all that. We can do it. We've figured it all out.
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'' Možemo mi sve to napraviti. Sve smo shvatili.
13:49
We can produce a fish
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'' Možemo mi sve to napraviti. Sve smo shvatili.
13:51
that's a net gain of marine protein and has omega-3s."
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Koja ima neto dobit morskog proteina I omega 3 kiselina.''
13:53
Great.
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Divno.
13:54
It doesn't seem to be getting scaled up.
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Ne uspjevamo to dobiti.
13:57
It is time to scale this up.
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Vrijeme je,
13:58
If we do,
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Jer ako uspijemo,
14:00
30 million metric tons of seafood, a third of the world catch,
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30 milijuna tona morske ribe , trećina svijetskog ulova,
14:03
stays in the water.
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će ostati pod vodom.
14:05
So I guess what I'm saying is this is what we've been going with.
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Ono što pokušavam reći jest da je ovo način na koji se nosimo sa tim.
14:09
We tend to go with our appetites rather than our minds.
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Uvijek naginjemo prema svom apetitu prije nego pameti.
14:12
But if we went with this, or some configuration of it,
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Ali ako se potrudimo,
14:15
we might have a little more of this.
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imati ćemo puno više.
14:19
Thank you.
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Hvala.
14:20
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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