SpaceX's plan to fly you across the globe in 30 minutes | Gwynne Shotwell

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Chris Anderson: So two months ago, something crazy happened.

Chris Anderson: Dakle, prije dva mjeseca dogodilo se nešto ludo.

Can you talk us through this, because this caught so many people's attention?

Možeš li nam to prepričati, jer je zaokupilo pažnju toliko mnogo ljudi?

Gwynne Shotwell: I'll stay quiet for the beginning,

Gwynne Shotwell: Sada neću govoriti,

kasnije ću početi pričati.

and then I'll start talking.

(Video) Glasovi: Pet, četiri, tri, dva, jedan.

(Video) Voices: Five, four, three, two, one.

(Cheering)

(Klicanje)

Woman: Liftoff. Go Falcon Heavy.

Glas: Polijetanje. Kreni, Falcon Heavy.

GS: So this was such an important moment for SpaceX.

GS: Ovo je bio toliko važan trenutak za SpaceX.

With the Falcon 9 and now the Falcon Heavy,

Uz pomoć Falcona 9, a sada Falcona Heavyja,

we can launch into orbit

možemo lansirati u orbitu

any payload that has previously been conceived or is conceived right now.

bilo koji teret koji je prethodno bio kreiran ili je kreiran sada.

We've got a couple of launches of Falcon Heavy later this year,

Imamo još nekoliko lansiranja Falcona Heavyja ove godine,

so this had to go right.

zato je ovo moralo proći ispravno.

It was the first time we flew it,

Ovo nam je prvi puta da je poletio

and the star of the show, of course,

i, naravno, zvijezde predstave,

brother and sister side boosters landing.

raketni pojačivači koji se prizemljuju.

I was excited.

Bila sam uzbuđena.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Thanking my team.

Zahvaljujem svom timu.

Usput, ima nekih možda i tisuću ljudi

By the way, there's maybe a thousand people

standing around me right there.

koji stoje tamo oko mene.

And Starman.

I Starman.

Starman did not steal the show, though --

Starman nije odvlačio pažnju --

the boosters did.

raketni pojačivači jesu.

CA: (Laughter)

CA: (Smijeh)

CA: There had to be some payload -- why not put a Tesla into space?

CA: Morao je postojati neki teret pa zašto ne poslati Teslu u svemir?

GS: Exactly. It was perfect.

GS: Točno. Bilo je savršeno.

CA: Gwynne, let's wind the clock back.

CA: Gwynne, vratimo se unatrag.

I mean, how did you end up an engineer and President of SpaceX?

Kako si došla na mjesto inženjerke i predsjednice SpaceX-a?

Were you supernerdy as a girl?

Jesi li bila velika štreberica kao djevojčica?

GS: I don't think I was nerdy,

GS: Ne mislim da sam bila štreberica,

but I was definitely doing the things that the girls weren't doing.

ali zasigurno sam se bavila stvarima kojima druge djevojčice nisu.

I asked my mom, who was an artist, when I was in third grade,

Kada sam išla u treći razred, pitala sam mamu, koja je bila umjetnica,

how a car worked,

kako radi auto,

so she had no idea so she gave me a book, and I read it,

budući ona nije znala, dala mi je jednu knjigu, pročitala sam je

and sure enough, my first job out of my mechanical engineering degree

i moj prvi posao uz stečenu diplomu mehaničkog inženjera,

was with Chrysler Motors in the automotive industry.

bio je u automobilskoj industriji, u Chrysler Motorsu.

But I actually got into engineering not because of that book

No, nisam završila u inženjerstvu zbog te knjige,

but because my mom took me to a Society of Women Engineers event,

već zato što me mama odvela na događanje Društva žena inženjerki

and I fell in love with the mechanical engineer that spoke.

i jako mi se svidjela mehanička inženjerka koja je tamo govorila.

She was doing really critical work,

Radila je iznimno važan posao,

and I loved her suit.

a i svidjelo mi se njezino odijelo.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And that's what a 15-year-old girl connects with.

S time se jedna 15-godišnjakinja može poistovjetiti.

And I used to shy away from telling that story,

Sramila sam se pričati tu priču,

but if that's what caused me to be an engineer --

ali ako je to dovelo do toga da postanem inženjerka,

hey, I think we should talk about that.

mislim da trebamo pričati o tome.

CA: Sixteen years ago, you became employee number seven at SpaceX,

CA: Prije šesnaest godina, bila si sedma zaposlena u SpaceX-u,

and then over the next years,

a zatim si u narednim godinama

you somehow built a multi-billion-dollar relationship with NASA,

nekako uspjela izgraditi odnos s NASA-om vrijedan više milijardi dolara,

despite the fact that SpaceX's first three launches blew up.

usprkos tome što SpaceX-ova prva tri lansiranja nisu uspjela.

I mean, how on earth did you do that?

Mislim, kako ti je to uopće uspjelo?

GS: So actually, selling rockets is all about relationships

GS: Zapravo, cijela bit prodavanja priče o raketama je u odnosima

and making a connection with these customers.

i stvaranju veze s tim klijentima.

When you don't have a rocket to sell,

Kada nemaš raketu koju bi prodao,

what's really important is selling your team,

važno je da prodaš priču o svom timu,

selling the business savvy of your CEO --

poslovnu razboritost svog direktora --

that's not really hard to sell these days --

danas to stvarno nije teško prodati --

and basically, making sure that any technical issue that they have

i u osnovi, osigurati da, koji god tehnički problem imali,

or any concern, you can address right away.

ili bilo kakvu zabrinutost, da odmah to preuzmete.

So I think it was helpful for me to be an engineer.

Zato mislim da mi je pomoglo to što sam inženjerka.

I think it was helpful to my role of running sales for Elon.

Mislim da mi je to pomoglo u mojem vođenju prodaje za Elona.

CA: And currently, a big focus of the company

CA: Trenutno je veliki fokus kompanije,

is, I guess, kind of a race with Boeing

pretpostavljam, svojevrsna utrka s Boeingom

to be the first to provide the service to NASA

tko će prvi NASA-i pružiti uslugu

of actually putting humans into orbit.

slanja ljudi u orbitu.

Safety considerations obviously come to the fore, here.

Očito je da je razmatranje sigurnosti ovdje na prvom mjestu.

How are you sleeping?

Spavaš li mirno?

GS: I actually sleep really well. I'm a good sleeper, that's my best thing.

GS: Zapravo, imam jako dobar san. Dobar sam spavač, to mi je najveća odlika.

But I think the days leading up to our flying crew

No, mislim da će u danima koji dolaze u vezi s našom posadom,

will probably be a little sleepless.

biti i besanih trenutaka.

But really, fundamentally, safety comes in the design

No, u osnovi, sigurnost je dio dizajna sustava

of the system that you're going to fly people on,

u kojem ćeš poslati ljude na let

and so we've been working for years,

i zato smo radili godinama,

actually, almost a decade, on this technology.

zapravo, skoro jedno desetljeće, na ovoj tehnologiji.

We're taking the Dragon cargo spaceship

Letjelicu Dragon za prijevoz tereta

and we're upgrading it to be able to carry crew.

sada nadograđujemo da može prevoziti i posadu.

And as I said, we've been engineering in these safety systems

A kako sam rekla, radili smo na tim sigurnosnim sustavima

for quite some time.

već neko vrijeme.

CA: So isn't it that there's one system that actually allows instant escape

CA: Ne radi li se, zapravo, o sustavu koji omogućuje trenutni izlaz

if there's a problem.

u slučaju opasnosti?

GS: Tako je. To je lansirni sustav za spašavanje.

GS: That's right. It's called the launch escape system.

CA: I think we have that. Let's show that.

CA: Mislim da imamo to. Prikažimo.

GS: Imamo video testiranja koje smo proveli 2015.

GS: We've got a video of a test that we ran in 2015.

So this simulated having a really bad day on the pad.

Ovo je simulacija u slučaju vrlo loše situacije na uzletištu.

Basically, you want the capsule to get out of Dodge.

U biti, želite da kapsula odmah ode dalje.

You want it to get away from the rocket

Želite da se odvoji od rakete

that had a bad day right below it.

koja je imala loš start.

This is if there was an issue on the pad.

Ovo je u slučaju problema na uzletištu.

We also will be doing another demonstration later this year

Ove godine imat ćemo i drugu demonstraciju

on if we have an issue with the rocket during flight.

za situaciju problema na raketi tijekom leta.

CA: And those rockets have another potential function as well, eventually.

CA: Konačno, te rakete imaju i drugu potencijalnu ulogu.

GS: Yeah, so the launch escape system for Dragon is pretty unique.

GS: Da, lansirni sustav za spašavanje na Dragonu je prilično jedinstven.

It's an integrated launch escape system.

Radi se o integriranom lansirnom sustavu.

It's basically a pusher,

On doslovno odguruje,

so the propellant system and the thrusters are integrated into the capsule,

znači, pogonski sustav i potisnik integrirani su u kapsulu

and so if it detects a rocket problem, it pushes the capsule away.

i ako se otkrije problem na raketi, on odbacuje kapsulu.

Capsule safety systems in the past have been like tractor pullers,

Sigurnosni sustavi kapsule u prošlosti bili su poput traktora za vuču

and the reason we didn't want to do that

i razlog zašto to nismo htjeli učiniti

is that puller needs to come off before you can safely reenter that capsule,

je to što se taj dio mora odvojiti prije nego što sigurno vratite kapsulu,

so we wanted to eliminate, in design, that possibility of failure.

stoga smo prilikom dizajna željeli ukloniti mogućnost neuspješnog pokušaja.

CA: I mean, SpaceX has made the regular reusability of rockets

CA: Mislim, redovita ponovna upotreba raketa koju provodi SpaceX

seem almost routine,

izgleda gotovo rutinski,

which means you've done something

što znači da ste učinili nešto

that no national space program, for example,

što nijednom nacionalnom svemirskom programu, na primjer,

has been able to achieve.

nije uspjelo.

How was that possible?

Kako je to bilo moguće?

GS: I think there's a couple of things --

GS: Mislim da ima tu nekoliko stvari,

there's a million things, actually --

zapravo, milijun stvari,

that have allowed SpaceX to be successful.

koje su omogućile SpaceX-u da bude uspješan.

The first is that we're kind of standing on the shoulders of giants. Right?

Prvi je što stvaramo na temelju prethodnih velikih uspjeha i otkrića. Točno?

We got to look at the rocket industry and the developments to date,

Morali smo promotriti raketnu industriju i razvoj do danas

and we got to pick the best ideas,

te odabrati najbolje ideje,

leverage them.

iskoristiti ih najbolje moguće.

We also didn't have technology that we had to include

Nismo imali ni tehnologiju koju smo morali uključiti

in our vehicle systems.

u naše sustave vozila.

So we didn't have to design around legacy components

Tako nismo morali kreirati komponente

that maybe weren't the most reliable or were particularly expensive,

koje možda nisu bile najpouzdanije ili su bile naročito skupe,

so we really were able to let physics drive the design of these systems.

već smo mogli dozvoliti da zakoni fizike određuju dizajn tih sustava.

CA: I mean, there are other programs started from scratch.

CA: Postoje i drugi programi koji su krenuli od početka.

That last phrase you said there, you let physics drive the design,

Zadnja rečenica koju si rekla, dozvolili ste da fizika određuje dizajn,

what's an example of that?

koji je primjer toga?

GS: There's hundreds of examples, actually, of that,

GS: Zapravo, postoji na stotine takvih primjera,

but basically, we got to construct the vehicle design

no, u osnovi, morali smo konstruirati dizajn vozila

from, really, a clean sheet of paper,

doslovno počevši od praznog lista papira

and we got to make decisions that we wanted to make.

i odlučiti što želimo stvoriti.

The tank architecture -- it's a common dome design.

Arhitektura spremnika -- to je uobičajeni dizajn kupole.

Basically it's like two beer cans stacked together,

U osnovi, poput dvije limenke piva složene zajedno,

one full of liquid oxygen,

jedna puna tekućeg kisika,

one full of RP,

druga puna rafiniranog kerozina

and that basically saved weight.

i to je, u osnovi, sačuvalo težinu.

It allowed us to basically take more payload for the same design.

To nam je omogućilo da, u biti, uzmemo više tereta za isti dizajn.

One of the other elements of the vehicle that we're flying right now

Jedan od ostalih elemenata letjelica koje danas šaljemo na let

is we do use densified liquid oxygen and densified RP,

je da koristimo zgusnuti tekući kisik i zgusnuti rafinirani kerozin,

so it's ultracold,

dakle, jako su hladni,

and it allows you to pack more propellent into the vehicle.

što vam omogućuje da u vozilo stavite više goriva.

It is done elsewhere,

To je već napravljeno i drugdje,

probably not to the degree that we do it,

vjerojatno ne do razine na kojoj mi to radimo,

but it adds a lot of margin to the vehicle,

no, to daje vozilu dosta rezervnog prostora,

which obviously adds reliability.

što mu, očito, daje i pouzdanost.

CA: Gwynne, you became President of SpaceX 10 years ago, I think.

CA: Gwynne, postala si predsjednica SpaceX-a prije 10 godina, mislim.

What's it been like to work so closely with Elon Musk?

Kako je bilo raditi toliko blisko s Elonom Muskom?

GS: So I love working for Elon.

GS: Jako volim raditi za Elona.

I've been doing it for 16 years this year, actually.

Zapravo, ove godine je 16 godina kako ovo radim.

I don't think I'm dumb enough to do something for 16 years

Ne mislim da sam dovoljno glupa da 16 godina radim nešto

that I don't like doing.

što ne volim.

He's funny

On je duhovit

and fundamentally without him saying anything

i, u osnovi, bez da išta kaže,

he drives you to do your best work.

potiče vas da u poslu date sve od sebe.

He doesn't have to say a word.

Ne mora reći ni riječ.

You just want to do great work.

Vi sami želite odraditi odličan posao.

CA: You might be the person best placed to answer this question,

CA: Ti bi mogla biti najbolja osoba da odgovoriš na ovo pitanje

which has puzzled me,

koje me zbunilo,

which is to shed light on this strange unit of time

a to je baciti svjetlo na ovaj neobičan dio vremena,

called "Elon time."

zvan "Elonovo vrijeme".

For example, last year, I asked Elon, you know,

Na primjer, prošle godine pitao sam Elona

when Tesla would auto-drive across America,

kada će Tesla krenuti Amerikom samovozećim načinom rada,

and he said by last December,

on je rekao da će to biti do prošlog prosinca,

which is definitely true, if you take Elon time into account.

što je definitivno točno, ako računate po Elonovom vremenu.

So what's the conversion ratio between Elon time and real time?

Pa koji je omjer Elonovog i stvarnog vremena?

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

GS: You put me in a unique position, Chris.

GS: Dovodiš me u jedinstvenu situaciju, Chris.

Thanks for that.

Hvala ti na tome.

There's no question that Elon is very aggressive on his timelines,

Neupitno je da je Elon vrlo agresivan po pitanju vremena i rokova,

but frankly, that drives us to do things better and faster.

no, to nas potiče da radimo bolje i brže.

I think all the time and all the money in the world

Mislim da sve vrijeme i sav novac ovog svijeta

does not yield the best solution,

ne donose najbolje rješenje,

and so putting that pressure on the team to move quickly is really important.

stoga je zaista važno staviti pritisak na tim kako bismo bili brži.

CA: Čini se da ti ovdje igraš ulogu neke vrste ključnog posrednika.

CA: It feels like you play kind of a key intermediary role here.

I mean, he sets these crazy goals that have their impact,

Mislim, on postavi te lude ciljeve koji imaju svoj utjecaj,

but, in other circumstances, might blow up a team

no, u drugim okolnostima bi mogli i uništiti tim

or set impossible expectations.

ili postaviti nemoguća očekivanja.

It feels like you've found a way of saying, "Yes, Elon,"

Čini se da si našla način kako reći "Da, Elone"

i onda to ostvariti na način prihvatljiv

and then making it happen in a way that is acceptable

i njemu i kompaniji, tvojim zaposlenicima.

both to him and to your company, to your employees.

GS: There is two really important realizations for that.

GS: Ovdje postoje dvije važne vrste shvaćanja svega ovoga.

First of all, when Elon says something, you have to pause

Prije svega, kada Elon nešto kaže, moraš stati,

and not immediately blurt out, "Well, that's impossible,"

a ne da ti odmah izleti "Pa, to je nemoguće",

or, "There's no way we're going to do that. I don't know how."

ili "Nema šanse da ćemo to napraviti. Ne znam kako."

So you zip it, and you think about it,

Zato ne kažeš ništa, razmisliš

and you find ways to get that done.

i nađeš načine kako to provesti.

And the other thing I realized,

I druga stvar koju sam shvatila,

and it made my job satisfaction substantially harder.

a koja mi je bitno otežavala uživanje u svom poslu.

So I always felt like my job was to take these ideas

Uvijek mi se činilo da je moj posao uzeti te ideje,

and kind of turn them into company goals, make them achievable,

nekako ih pretvoriti u ciljeve kompanije, učiniti ih ostvarivima

and kind of roll the company over from this steep slope, get it comfortable.

i prevesti kompaniju preko te strme padine, učiniti sve ugodnijim.

And I noticed every time I felt like we were there,

I primjetila sam da, svaki put kada mi se činilo da smo uspjeli,

we were rolling over, people were getting comfortable,

svladavali smo to, ljudi su se osjećali ugodnije,

Elon would throw something out there,

Elon bi tada dobacio nešto

and all of a sudden, we're not comfortable

i odjednom smo izgubili tu ležernost

and we're climbing that steep slope again.

i ponovo bismo se uspinjali tom strmom padinom.

But then once I realized that that's his job,

No, kada sam jednom shvatila da je to njegov posao,

and my job is to get the company close to comfortable

a da je moj posao da kompaniju dovedem što bliže toj ležernosti,

so he can push again and put us back on that slope,

kako bi nas on ponovo pogurao dalje,

then I started liking my job a lot more,

tada sam puno više počela voljeti svoj posao,

instead of always being frustrated.

umjesto da sam stalno frustrirana.

CA: So if I estimated that the conversation ratio

CA: Znači, ako sam procijenio da je omjer

for Elon time to your time is about 2x,

Elonovog i realnog vremena otprilike dvostruki,

am I a long way out there?

jesam li jako daleko od toga?

GS: That's not terrible, and you said it, I didn't.

GS: Nije to strašno, a i ti si to rekao, ne ja.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

CA: You know, looking ahead,

CA: Znaš, gledajući naprijed,

one huge initiative

smatralo se, pričalo se,

SpaceX is believed to be, rumored to be working on,

da SpaceX radi na jednoj velikoj inicijativi,

is a massive network of literally thousands of low earth orbit satellites

koju čini ogromna mreža od doslovno tisuća nisko orbitnih satelita

to provide high-bandwidth, low-cost internet connection

kako bi osigurala jeftin, široko pojasni internet

to every square foot of planet earth.

svakom četvornom metru Zemljine površine.

Is there anything you can tell us about this?

Ima li tu nečeg što nam možeš reći?

GS: We actually don't chat very much about this particular project,

GS: Zapravo, ne pričamo mnogo o tom projektu,

not because we're hiding anything,

ne zato što bilo što skrivamo,

but this is probably one of the most challenging

već zato što je to vjerojatno jedan od najizazovnijih,

if not the most challenging project we've undertaken.

ako ne i najizazovniji projekt kojeg smo ikada pokrenuli.

No one has been successful

Nitko nije bio uspješan

deploying a huge constellation for internet broadband,

u razvijanju goleme mreže široko pojasnog interneta,

or basically for satellite internet,

ili, u biti, satelitskog interneta,

and I don't think physics is the difficulty here.

i ne mislim da je tu problem u fizici.

I think we can come up with the right technology solution,

Mislim da možemo doći do pravog tehnološkog rješenja,

but we need to make a business out of it,

ali iz toga moramo razviti posao,

and it'll cost the company about 10 billion dollars or more

a to će kompaniju stajati oko 10 milijardi dolara ili više

to deploy this system.

da razvije taj sustav.

And so we're marching steadily along

Čvrsto idemo tim putem,

but we're certainly not claiming victory yet.

no, još ne proglašavamo pobjedu.

CA: I mean, the impact of that, obviously, if that happened to the world,

CA: Mislim, očito, da se taj utjecaj već proširio svijetom,

ta opća povezanost, bilo bi to prilično radikalno,

of connectivity everywhere, would be pretty radical,

and perhaps mainly for good --

i možda uglavnom zauvijek --

Mislim, velika je promjena ako se odjednom svatko može jeftino povezati.

I mean, it changes a lot if suddenly everyone can connect cheaply.

GS: Yeah, there's no question it'll change the world.

GS: Da, nema sumnje da će to promijeniti svijet.

CA: How much of a worry is it,

CA: Kolika je briga

and how much of a drag on the planning is it,

i koliki je pritisak na planiranje,

are concerns just about space junk?

zabrinutost oko svemirskog otpada?

People worry a lot about this.

Ljudi se jako brinu oko toga.

This would a huge increase in the total number of satellites in orbit.

Ovo bi jako povećalo ukupan broj satelita u orbiti.

Is that a concern?

Je li to razlog za brigu?

GS: So space debris is a concern, there's no question --

GS: Nema sumnje, svemirske krhotine su razlog za brigu,

ne zato jer je velika vjerojatnost toga,

not because it's so likely to happen,

but the consequences of it happening are pretty devastating.

već zato jer su posljedica toga prilično razarajuće.

You could basically spew a bunch of particles in orbit

Zapravo biste izbacivanjem hrpe čestica u orbitu

that could take out that orbit from being useful for decades or longer.

mogli prouzročiti štetu u samoj orbiti koja bi trajala još desetljećima kasnije.

So as a matter of fact,

Zapravo,

we are required to bring down our second stage after every mission

od nas se traži da letjelicu iz orbite vratimo na Zemlju nakon svake misije,

so it doesn't end up being a rocket carcass orbiting earth.

kako ne bi završila kao raketno truplo koje kruži oko Zemlje.

So you really need to be a good steward of that.

Zato zaista morate time dobro upravljati.

CA: So despite the remarkable success there

CA: Usprkos izvanrednom uspjehu

of that Falcon Heavy rocket,

letjelice Falcon Heavy,

you're actually not focusing on that as your future development plan.

to vam, zapravo, nije u fokusu plana razvoja.

You're doubling down to a much bigger rocket

Ulažete u mnogo veću letjelicu

called the BFR,

po imenu BFR,

which stands for ...

što je kratica za...

GS: It's the Big Falcon Rocket. CA: The Big Falcon Rocket, that's right.

GS: Big Falcon Rocket. CA: Big Falcon Rocket, tako je.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

What's the business logic of doing this

Koja je poslovna logika toga

when you invested all that in that incredible technology,

kada ste investirali sve u onu nevjerojatnu tehnologiju,

and now you're just going to something much bigger. Why?

a sada jednostavno idete na nešto još mnogo veće. Zašto?

GS: Actually, we've learned some lessons

GS: Zapravo, naučili smo neke lekcije

over the duration where we've been developing these launch systems.

s vremenom razvijajući te lansirne sustave.

What we want to do is not introduce a new product before we've been able

Ne želimo predstaviti novi proizvod dok nismo u stanju

to convince the customers that this is the product that they should move to,

uvjeriti klijente da je to proizvod na koji bi trebali prijeći,

so we're working on the Big Falcon Rocket now,

zato sada radimo na Big Falcon Rocketu,

but we're going to continue flying Falcon 9s and Falcon Heavies

ali i dalje ćemo slati u svemir Falcon 9 i Falcon Heavy,

until there is absolute widespread acceptance of BFR.

sve dok BFR ne postane široko prihvaćen.

But we are working on it right now,

No, sada radimo na tome

we're just not going to cancel Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy

i nećemo otkazati linije Falcon 9 i Falcon Heavy

and just put in place BFR.

te ih samo zamijeniti BFR-om.

CA: The logic is that BFR is what you need to take humanity to Mars?

CA: Logika ovoga je da je BFR ono što vam treba da odvedete ljudsku vrstu na Mars?

GS: That's correct.

GS: Tako je.

CA: But somehow, you've also found other business ideas for this.

CA: No, nekako ste došli i do drugih poslovnih ideja za ovo.

GS: Yes. BFR can take the satellites that we're currently taking to orbit

GS: Da. BFR može satelite koje trenutno šaljemo u orbitu,

to many orbits.

u više orbita,

It allows for even a new class of satellites to be delivered to orbit.

omogućuje nam da se čak i nove vrste satelita odvedu u orbitu.

Basically, the width, the diameter of the fairing is eight meters,

U osnovi, širina, promjer konstrukcije je osam metara

so you can think about what giant telescopes

pa možete zamisliti koliko velike teleskope

you can put in that fairing, in that cargo bay,

možete smjestiti unutra, u taj teretni dio,

and see really incredible things

vidjeti zaista nevjerojatne stvari

and discover incredible things in space.

te otkriti nevjerojatne stvari u svemiru.

But then there are some residual capabilities

No, tu su i preostale mogućnosti

that we have out of BFR as well.

koje imamo izvan BFR-a.

CA: A residual capability? GS: It's a residual capability.

CA: Preostale mogućnosti? GS: Preostale mogućnosti.

CA: Is that what you call this? Talk about what the heck this is.

CA: Tako to zovete? Reci o čemu se tu uopće radi.

Oh wait a sec --

Samo tren --

GS: That's Falcon Heavy.

GS: Ovo je Falcon Heavy.

That's worth pointing out, by the way.

I usput, ovo vrijedi istaknuti.

What a beautiful rocket,

Kakva predivna raketa,

and that hangar could just fit the Statue of Liberty in it,

u taj hangar može stati i Kip slobode

so you get a sense of size of that Falcon Heavy Rocket.

pa možete dobiti predodžbu koliko je velik Falcon Heavy Rocket.

CA: And the fact that there are 27 engines there.

CA: A i činjenica da je u njemu 27 motora.

That's part of the design principle

To je dio principa cijelog dizajna

that you, rather than just inventing ever bigger rockets,

gdje, umjesto da samo stvarate nove, veće letjelice,

you team them up.

stavite ih zajedno.

GS: Upravo je to ta druga mogućnost.

GS: It's exactly this residual capability.

Za Falcon 1 razvili smo motor Merlin.

We developed the Merlin engine for the Falcon 1 launch vehicle.

We could have tossed that engine

Mogli smo baciti taj motor

and built an entirely new engine for the Falcon 9.

i izgraditi posve novi za Falcon 9.

It would have been called something different,

Zvao bi se nekako drugačije

jer Falcon 9 sadrži devet motora Merlin,

because Falcon 9 is nine Merlin engines,

no, umjesto da potrošimo milijarde dolara na posve novi motor,

but instead of spending a billion dollars on a brand new engine,

we put nine of them together on the back end of Falcon 9.

smjestili smo njih devet zajedno na stražnji dio Falcona 9.

Residual capability: glue three Falcon 9s together

Druga mogućnost znači: spojite tri letjelice Falcon 9

and you have the largest operational rocket flying.

i dobit ćete najveću operativnu raketu.

And so it was expensive to do,

Taj poduhvat je bio skup,

but it was a much more efficient path than starting from scratch.

ali je bio mnogo učinkovitiji, nego da smo sve radili od početka.

CA: And the BFR is the equivalent of how much bigger than that,

CA: A koliko je BFR veći od ovoga,

in terms of its power?

u smislu snage?

GS: BFR is about, I believe, two and half times the size of this.

GS: BFR je, mislim, oko dva i pol puta veći.

CA: Right, and so that allows you --

CA: Tako je, i to vam omogućuje --

I mean, I still don't really believe this video that we're about to play here.

Mislim, i dalje zaista ne vjerujem što sve vidimo u ovom videu.

What on earth is this?

Što li je ovo?

GS: So it currently is on earth,

GS: Ovo je trenutno na Zemlji,

but this is basically space travel for earthlings.

ali ovo je, u biti, svemirsko putovanje za Zemljane.

I can't wait for this residual capability.

Jedva čekam ovdje dodatnu mogućnost.

Basically, what we're going to do is we're going to fly BFR like an aircraft

U osnovi, poslat ćemo BFR na let kao avion

and do point-to-point travel on earth,

i omogućiti putovanja Zemljom od točke to točke,

so you can take off from New York City or Vancouver

tako da ćete polijetati iz New Yorka ili Vancouvera

and fly halfway across the globe.

i putovati upola kraće na drugi kraj svijeta.

You'll be on the BFR for roughly half an hour or 40 minutes,

Na BFR-u ćete biti oko pola sata ili 40 minuta,

and the longest part -- yeah, it's so awesome.

a najduži dio -- da, to je fenomenalno.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

The longest part of that flight is actually the boat out and back.

Najduži dio tog leta je, zapravo, pokretanje i vraćanje.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

CA: I mean. Gwynne, come on, this is awesome, but it's crazy, right?

GS: Mislim, Gwynne, to je fenomenalno, ali i ludo, zar ne?

This is never going to actually happen.

To se nikada neće zaista dogoditi.

GS: Oh no, it's definitely going to happen.

GS: A ne, to će se definitivno dogoditi.

This is definitely going to happen.

To će se definitivno dogoditi.

CA: How?

CA: Kako?

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

So first of all, countries are going to accept this incoming missile --

Prije svega, države će prihvatiti tu nadolazeću raketu --

(Smijeh)

(Laughter)

GS: Chris, možeš li zamisliti kako pokušavamo uvjeriti federalnu razinu,

GS: Chris, so can you imagine us trying to convince a federal range,

Air Force bases to take the incomers?

zračnu bazu, da prihvati nadolazeće letjelice?

Because we're doing it now, regularly, right?

Jer sada to činimo na redovnoj bazi, zar ne?

We're bringing the first stages back,

Vraćamo one koje su uzletjele

and we're landing them on federal property on an Air Force base.

i prizemljujemo ih na federalno tlo zračne baze.

So I think doing it, I don't know,

Na taj način, ne znam,

10 kilometers out from a city, maybe it's only five kilometers out from a city.

10 km izvan grada, možda je i samo 5 km izvan grada.

CA: I koliko putnika si, uopće, može priuštiti tu sreću

CA: So how many passengers can possibly afford the fortune

da leti svemirom?

of flying by space?

GS: So the first BFR is going to have roughly a hundred passengers.

GS: Prvi BFR imat će oko stotinu putnika.

And let's talk a little bit about the business.

A recimo nešto i o poslovanju.

Everyone thinks rockets are really expensive,

Svi misle da su rakete stvarno skupe,

and to a large degree they are,

u širem smislu i jesu,

and how could we possibly compete with airline tickets here?

i kako bismo se tu uopće mogli natjecati s cijenom avionskih karata?

But if you think about it, if I can do this trip

Ali ako razmislite, ako mogu prevaliti taj put

in half an hour to an hour,

u pola sata do sat vremena,

I can do dozens of these a day, right?

tako mogu putovati i više desetaka puta dnevno, zar ne?

And yet, a long-haul aircraft can only make one of those flights a day.

S druge strane, duge zračne linije mogu imati takve letove samo jednom dnevno.

So even if my rocket was slightly more expensive

Dakle, čak i ako je ta raketa nešto skuplja

and the fuel is a little bit more expensive,

te da je i gorivo nešto skuplje,

I can run 10x at least what they're running in a day,

što oni prelete u jednom danu, ja mogu barem 10 puta dnevno,

and really make the revenue that I need to out of that system.

čime stvaram očekivani prihod iz ovakvog sustava.

CA: So you really believe this is going to be deployed at some point

CA: Dakle, zaista vjeruješ da će se to razviti u nekom trenutku

in our amazing future. When?

naše budućnosti. Kada?

GS: Within a decade, for sure.

GS: Zasigurno unutar jednog desetljeća.

CA: And this is Gwynne time or Elon time?

CA: Je li to po Gwynnenom ili Elonovom vremenu?

GS: That's Gwynne time. I'm sure Elon will want us to go faster.

CS: Po Gwynnenom vremenu. Elon će sigurno htjeti da budemo i brži.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

CA: OK, that's certainly amazing.

CA: Ok, to je stvarno nevjerojatno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

GS: I'm personally invested in this one, because I travel a lot

GS: I sama sam osobno uključena u to jer mnogo putujem,

and I do not love to travel,

a ne volim putovati

and I would love to get to see my customers in Riyadh,

pa bih voljela posjetiti svoje klijente u Riyadhu

leave in the morning and be back in time to make dinner.

odlazeći ujutro i vraćajući se navečer na vrijeme da pripremim večeru.

CA: So we're going to test this out.

CA: Dakle, testirat ćemo to.

So within 10 years, an economy price ticket,

Unutar 10 godina, cijena karte ekonomskog razreda,

or, like, a couple thousand dollars per person to fly New York to Shanghai.

ili nekoliko tisuća dolara da bi osoba letjela od New Yorka do Šangaja.

GS: Yeah, I think it'll be between economy and business,

GS: Da, mislim da će cijena biti između ekonomskog i poslovnog razreda,

but you do it in an hour.

ali putujete sat vremena.

CA: Yeah, well, OK, that is definitely something.

CA: Da, ok, to je definitivno nešto posebno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And meanwhile, the other use of BFR is being developed

A u međuvremenu se razvija još jedna druga uporaba BFR-a,

to go a little bit further than Shanghai.

a to je ići i malo dalje od Šangaja.

Talk about this.

Pričaj nam o tome.

You guys have actually developed quite a detailed, sort of, picture

Vi ste, zapravo, razvili prilično detaljnu sliku

of how humans might fly to Mars,

kako bi ljudi mogli letjeti na Mars

and what that would look like.

i kako bi to moglo izgledati.

GS: Yeah. So we've got a video, this is a cropped video

GS: Da. Imamo ovdje video, izrađen je

from others we've shown, and then there's a couple of new bits to it.

od ostalih koje smo prikazali i tu ima par novih stvari.

But basically, you're going to lift off from a pad,

No, u osnovi, poletjet ćete s uzletišta,

you've got a booster as well as the BFS, the Big Falcon Spaceship.

imate raketni pojačivač kao i BFS, Big Falcon Spaceship.

It's going to take off.

Uzletjet će.

The booster is going to drop the spaceship off in orbit,

Raketni pojačivač odbacit će letjelicu u orbitu,

low earth orbit,

u nižu Zemljinu orbitu

and then return just like we're returning boosters right now.

i onda se vratiti kako ga vraćamo i sada.

So it sounds incredible, but we're working on the pieces,

Ovo zvuči nevjerojatno, ali polako radimo na tim fazama

and you can see us achieve these pieces.

i možete vidjeti kako uspijevamo u tome.

So booster comes back.

Raketni pojačivač se vraća.

The new thing here

Ono novo ovdje je to

is that we're going to actually land on the pad that we launched from.

da ćemo sletjeti na isto mjesto s kojeg smo lansirali letjelicu.

Currently, we land on a separate pad, or we land out on a boat.

Trenutno slijećemo na drugo mjesto ili na brod.

Fast, quick connect.

Brzo povezivanje.

You take a cargo ship full of fuel,

Preuzimate teretnu letjelicu punu goriva

or a fuel depot,

ili spremište goriva,

put it on that booster, get that in orbit,

smještate ga na raketni pojačivač, pošaljete u orbitu,

do a docking maneuver, refuel the spaceship,

izvedete manevar sa spajanjem, napunite letjelicu gorivom

and head on to your destination,

i idete prema odredištu,

and this one is Mars.

u ovom slučaju, na Mars.

CA: So, like, a hundred people go to Mars at one time,

CA: Znači, da bi sto ljudi u jednom trenutku otišlo na Mjesec,

taking, what, six months? Two months?

potrebno je, koliko, šest mjeseci? Dva mjeseca?

GS: It ends up depending on how big the rocket is.

GS: Ovisi o veličini rakete.

I think this first version, and we'll continue to make

Mislim da za ovu prvu verziju, a nastavit ćemo proizvoditi

even bigger BFRs,

i veće BFR-ove,

I think it's a three-month trip.

mislim da će putovanje trajati tri mjeseca.

Right now, the average is six to eight,

Sada je prosjek šest do osam mjeseci,

but we're going to try to do it faster.

no, mi ćemo pokušati da to bude i brže.

CA: When do you believe SpaceX will land the first human on Mars?

CA: Kada očekujete da će SpaceX dovesti prvog čovjeka na Mars?

GS: It's a very similar time frame from the point-to-point.

GS: Vrlo je sličan vremenski okvir kao putovanje od točke do točke.

It's the same capability.

Ista osposobljenost.

It will be within a decade -- not this decade.

To će biti unutar jednog desetljeća, ne ovog desetljeća.

CA: In real time, again, within a decade.

CA: U realnom vremenu, unutar jednog desetljeća.

Well, that would also be amazing.

I to bi bilo nevjerojatno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Why, though? Seriously, why?

Ipak, zašto? Stvarno, zašto?

I mean, you've got a company where this is the official stated mission.

Mislim, imate kompaniju koja to ima istaknuto kao svoju službenu misiju.

Has everyone actually bought into that mission,

Je li svatko zaista povjerovao u tu misiju

given that, I mean, there's a lot of people around

obzirom da ima mnogo ljudi

who think, come on, you've got so much talent,

koji misle, imate toliko talenta,

so much technology capability.

toliko tehnologije na raspolaganju.

There are so many things on earth that need urgent attention.

Toliko je toga na Zemlji što traži hitnu pozornost.

Why would you have this escape trip off to another planet?

Što će vam to putovanje, taj bijeg na drugi planet?

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

GS: So I am glad you asked that,

GS: Drago mi je da si to pitao,

but I think we need to expand our minds a little bit.

no, mislim da trebamo razmišljati malo šire.

There are plenty of things to do on earth,

Mnogo je toga što treba napraviti na Zemlji,

but there are lots of companies working on that.

ali je i mnogo kompanija koje rade na tome.

I think we're working on one of the most important things we possibly can,

Mislim da mi radimo na jednoj od najvažnijih stvari koje možemo,

and that's to find another place for humans to live and survive and thrive.

a to je pronaći još jedno mjesto gdje će ljudi živjeti, preživjeti i napredovati.

If something happened on earth,

Da se nešto dogodi na Zemlji,

you need humans living somewhere else.

trebate neko drugo mjesto gdje će ljudi živjeti.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

It's the fundamental risk reduction for the human species.

Radi se o osnovnom sprečavanju rizika za ljudsku vrstu.

And this does not subvert

To ne sprječava

making our planet here better and doing a better job taking care of it,

da naš planet ovdje učinimo boljim i da se bolje brinemo za njega,

but I think you need multiple paths to survival,

već mislim da trebamo više opcija za opstanak,

and this is one of them.

a ovo je jedna od njih.

And let's not talk about the downer piece,

I nemojmo ovdje govoriti o crnom scenariju,

like, you go to Mars to make sure all earthlings don't die.

kao, idete na Mars kako biste osigurali da svi Zemljani prežive.

That's terrible, actually, that's a terrible reason to go do it.

To je užasno, zaista, užasan razlog za sve ovo.

Fundamentally, it's another place to explore,

U osnovi, radi se o novom mjestu koje treba istražiti

and that's what makes humans different from animals,

i to je ono što ljudsku vrstu čini drugačijom od životinja,

it's our sense of exploration and sense of wonderment

taj naš osjećaj za istraživanje i začuđenost

and learning something new.

te učenje nečeg novog.

And then I also have to say,

Moram još reći

this is the first step in us moving to other solar systems

i da je ovo naš prvi korak prema drugim Sunčevim sustavima,

and potentially other galaxies,

a možda i novim galaksijama

and I think this is the only time I ever out-vision Elon,

i mislim da je ovo jedino gdje gledam dalje od Elona,

because I want to meet other people in other solar systems.

jer želim upoznati ljude u drugim Sunčevim sustavima.

Mars is fine, but it is a fixer-upper planet.

Mars je u redu, ali ima dosta posla oko njega.

There's work to do there to make it habitable.

Treba dosta napraviti da bi se osposobio za život.

(Laughter)

I want to find people, or whatever they call themselves,

(Smijeh)

Želim pronaći ljude, ili kako god se zvali,

in another solar system.

u drugim Sunčevim sustavima.

CA: That is a big vision.

CA: To je snažna vizija.

Gwynne Shotwell, thank you.

Gwynne Shotwell, hvala ti.

You have one of the most amazing jobs on the planet.

Imaš jedan od najnevjerojatnijih poslova na planetu.

GS: Thank you very much. Thanks, Chris.

GS: Puno vam hvala. Hvala, Chris.