Pamela Ronald: The case for engineering our food

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I am a plant geneticist.
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I study genes that make plants resistant to disease
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and tolerant of stress.
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In recent years,
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millions of people around the world have come to believe
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that there's something sinister about genetic modification.
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Today, I am going to provide a different perspective.
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First, let me introduce my husband, Raoul.
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He's an organic farmer.
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On his farm, he plants a variety of different crops.
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This is one of the many ecological farming practices
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he uses to keep his farm healthy.
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Imagine some of the reactions we get:
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"Really? An organic farmer and a plant geneticist?
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Can you agree on anything?"
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Well, we can, and it's not difficult, because we have the same goal.
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We want to help nourish the growing population
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without further destroying the environment.
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I believe this is the greatest challenge of our time.
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Now, genetic modification is not new;
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virtually everything we eat has been genetically modified
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in some manner.
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Let me give you a few examples.
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On the left is an image
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of the ancient ancestor of modern corn.
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You see a single roll of grain that's covered in a hard case.
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Unless you have a hammer,
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teosinte isn't good for making tortillas.
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Now, take a look at the ancient ancestor of banana.
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You can see the large seeds.
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And unappetizing brussel sprouts,
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and eggplant, so beautiful.
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Now, to create these varieties,
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breeders have used many different genetic techniques over the years.
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Some of them are quite creative,
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like mixing two different species together
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using a process called grafting
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to create this variety that's half tomato and half potato.
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Breeders have also used other types of genetic techniques,
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such as random mutagenesis,
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which induces uncharacterized mutations
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into the plants.
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The rice in the cereal that many of us fed our babies
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was developed using this approach.
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Now, today, breeders have even more options to choose from.
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Some of them are extraordinarily precise.
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I want to give you a couple examples from my own work.
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I work on rice, which is a staple food for more than half the world's people.
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Each year, 40 percent of the potential harvest
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is lost to pest and disease.
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For this reason, farmers plant rice varieties
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that carry genes for resistance.
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This approach has been used for nearly 100 years.
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Yet, when I started graduate school,
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no one knew what these genes were.
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It wasn't until the 1990s that scientists finally uncovered
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the genetic basis of resistance.
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In my laboratory, we isolated a gene for immunity to a very serious
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bacterial disease in Asia and Africa.
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We found we could engineer the gene into a conventional rice variety
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that's normally susceptible,
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and you can see the two leaves on the bottom here
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are highly resistant to infection.
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Now, the same month that my laboratory published
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our discovery on the rice immunity gene,
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my friend and colleague Dave Mackill stopped by my office.
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He said, "Seventy million rice farmers are having trouble growing rice."
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That's because their fields are flooded,
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and these rice farmers are living on less than two dollars a day.
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Although rice grows well in standing water,
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most rice varieties will die if they're submerged
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for more than three days.
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Flooding is expected to be increasingly problematic
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as the climate changes.
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He told me that his graduate student Kenong Xu and himself
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were studying an ancient variety of rice that had an amazing property.
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It could withstand two weeks of complete submergence.
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He asked if I would be willing to help them isolate this gene.
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I said yes -- I was very excited, because I knew if we were successful,
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we could potentially help millions of farmers grow rice
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even when their fields were flooded.
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Kenong spent 10 years looking for this gene.
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Then one day, he said,
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"Come look at this experiment. You've got to see it."
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I went to the greenhouse and I saw
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that the conventional variety that was flooded for 18 days had died,
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but the rice variety that we had genetically engineered
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with a new gene we had discovered, called Sub1, was alive.
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Kenong and I were amazed and excited
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that a single gene could have this dramatic effect.
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But this is just a greenhouse experiment.
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Would this work in the field?
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Now, I'm going to show you a four-month time lapse video
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taken at the International Rice Research Institute.
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Breeders there developed a rice variety carrying the Sub1 gene
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using another genetic technique called precision breeding.
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On the left, you can see the Sub1 variety,
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and on the right is the conventional variety.
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Both varieties do very well at first,
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but then the field is flooded for 17 days.
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You can see the Sub1 variety does great.
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In fact, it produces three and a half times more grain
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than the conventional variety.
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I love this video
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because it shows the power of plant genetics to help farmers.
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Last year, with the help of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
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three and a half million farmers grew Sub1 rice.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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Now, many people don't mind genetic modification
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when it comes to moving rice genes around,
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rice genes in rice plants,
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or even when it comes to mixing species together
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through grafting or random mutagenesis.
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But when it comes to taking genes from viruses and bacteria
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and putting them into plants,
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a lot of people say, "Yuck."
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Why would you do that?
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The reason is that sometimes it's the cheapest, safest,
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and most effective technology
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for enhancing food security and advancing sustainable agriculture.
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I'm going to give you three examples.
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First, take a look at papaya. It's delicious, right?
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But now, look at this papaya.
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This papaya is infected with papaya ringspot virus.
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In the 1950s, this virus nearly wiped out the entire production
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of papaya on the island of Oahu in Hawaii.
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Many people thought that the Hawaiian papaya was doomed,
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but then, a local Hawaiian,
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a plant pathologist named Dennis Gonsalves,
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decided to try to fight this disease using genetic engineering.
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He took a snippet of viral DNA and he inserted it
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into the papaya genome.
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This is kind of like a human getting a vaccination.
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Now, take a look at his field trial.
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You can see the genetically engineered papaya in the center.
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It's immune to infection.
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The conventional papaya around the outside is severely infected with the virus.
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Dennis' pioneering work is credited with rescuing the papaya industry.
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Today, 20 years later, there's still no other method to control this disease.
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There's no organic method. There's no conventional method.
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Eighty percent of Hawaiian papaya is genetically engineered.
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Now, some of you may still feel a little queasy about viral genes in your food,
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but consider this:
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The genetically engineered papaya carries just a trace amount of the virus.
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If you bite into an organic or conventional papaya
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that is infected with the virus,
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you will be chewing on tenfold more viral protein.
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Now, take a look at this pest feasting on an eggplant.
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The brown you see is frass,
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what comes out the back end of the insect.
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To control this serious pest,
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which can devastate the entire eggplant crop in Bangladesh,
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Bangladeshi farmers spray insecticides
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two to three times a week,
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sometimes twice a day, when pest pressure is high.
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But we know that some insecticides are very harmful to human health,
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especially when farmers and their families
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cannot afford proper protection, like these children.
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In less developed countries, it's estimated that 300,000 people
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die every year because of insecticide misuse and exposure.
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Cornell and Bangladeshi scientists decided to fight this disease
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using a genetic technique that builds on an organic farming approach.
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Organic farmers like my husband Raoul spray an insecticide called B.T.,
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which is based on a bacteria.
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This pesticide is very specific to caterpillar pests,
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and in fact, it's nontoxic to humans, fish and birds.
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It's less toxic than table salt.
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But this approach does not work well in Bangladesh.
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That's because these insecticide sprays
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are difficult to find, they're expensive,
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and they don't prevent the insect from getting inside the plants.
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In the genetic approach, scientists cut the gene out of the bacteria
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and insert it directly into the eggplant genome.
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Will this work to reduce insecticide sprays in Bangladesh?
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Definitely.
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Last season, farmers reported they were able to reduce their insecticide use
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by a huge amount, almost down to zero.
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They're able to harvest and replant for the next season.
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Now, I've given you a couple examples of how genetic engineering can be used
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to fight pests and disease
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and to reduce the amount of insecticides.
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My final example is an example
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where genetic engineering can be used to reduce malnutrition.
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In less developed countries,
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500,000 children go blind every year because of lack of Vitamin A.
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More than half will die.
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For this reason, scientists supported by the Rockefeller Foundation
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genetically engineered a golden rice
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to produce beta-carotene, which is the precursor of Vitamin A.
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This is the same pigment that we find in carrots.
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Researchers estimate that just one cup of golden rice per day
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will save the lives of thousands of children.
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But golden rice is virulently opposed
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by activists who are against genetic modification.
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Just last year,
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activists invaded and destroyed a field trial in the Philippines.
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When I heard about the destruction,
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I wondered if they knew that they were destroying much more
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than a scientific research project,
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that they were destroying medicines that children desperately needed
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to save their sight and their lives.
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Some of my friends and family still worry:
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How do you know genes in the food are safe to eat?
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I explained the genetic engineering,
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the process of moving genes between species,
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has been used for more than 40 years
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in wines, in medicine, in plants, in cheeses.
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In all that time, there hasn't been a single case of harm
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to human health or the environment.
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But I say, look, I'm not asking you to believe me.
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Science is not a belief system.
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My opinion doesn't matter.
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Let's look at the evidence.
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After 20 years of careful study and rigorous peer review
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by thousands of independent scientists,
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every major scientific organization in the world has concluded
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that the crops currently on the market are safe to eat
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and that the process of genetic engineering
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is no more risky than older methods of genetic modification.
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These are precisely the same organizations that most of us trust
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when it comes to other important scientific issues
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such as global climate change or the safety of vaccines.
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Raoul and I believe that, instead of worrying about the genes in our food,
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we must focus on how we can help children grow up healthy.
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We must ask if farmers in rural communities can thrive,
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and if everyone can afford the food.
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We must try to minimize environmental degradation.
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What scares me most about the loud arguments and misinformation
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about plant genetics
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is that the poorest people who most need the technology
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may be denied access because of the vague fears and prejudices
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of those who have enough to eat.
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We have a huge challenge in front of us.
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Let's celebrate scientific innovation and use it.
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It's our responsibility
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to do everything we can to help alleviate human suffering
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and safeguard the environment.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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Chris Anderson: Powerfully argued.
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The people who argue against GMOs,
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as I understand it, the core piece comes from two things.
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One, complexity and unintended consequence.
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Nature is this incredibly complex machine.
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If we put out these brand new genes that we've created,
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that haven't been challenged by years of evolution,
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and they started mixing up with the rest of what's going on,
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couldn't that trigger some kind of cataclysm or problem,
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especially when you add in the commercial incentive
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that some companies have to put them out there?
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The fear is that those incentives
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mean that the decision is not made on purely scientific grounds,
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and even if it was, that there would be unintended consequences.
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How do we know that there isn't a big risk of some unintended consequence?
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Often our tinkerings with nature do lead to big, unintended consequences
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and chain reactions.
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Pamela Ronald: Okay, so on the commercial aspects,
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one thing that's really important to understand is that,
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in the developed world, farmers in the United States,
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almost all farmers, whether they're organic or conventional,
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they buy seed produced by seed companies.
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So there's definitely a commercial interest to sell a lot of seed,
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but hopefully they're selling seed that the farmers want to buy.
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It's different in the less developed world.
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Farmers there cannot afford the seed.
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These seeds are not being sold.
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These seeds are being distributed freely
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through traditional kinds of certification groups,
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so it is very important in less developed countries
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that the seed be freely available.
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CA: Wouldn't some activists say that this is actually part of the conspiracy?
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This is the heroin strategy.
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You seed the stuff, and people have no choice
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but to be hooked on these seeds forever?
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PR: There are a lot of conspiracy theories for sure, but it doesn't work that way.
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For example, the seed that's being distributed, the flood-tolerant rice,
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this is distributed freely
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through Indian and Bangladeshi seed certification agencies,
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so there's no commercial interest at all.
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The golden rice was developed through support of the Rockefeller Foundation.
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Again, it's being freely distributed.
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There are no commercial profits
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in this situation.
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And now to address your other question about, well, mixing genes,
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aren't there some unintended consequences?
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Absolutely -- every time we do something different,
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there's an unintended consequence,
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but one of the points I was trying to make
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is that we've been doing kind of crazy things to our plants,
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mutagenesis using radiation or chemical mutagenesis.
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This induces thousands of uncharacterized mutations,
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and this is even a higher risk of unintended consequence
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than many of the modern methods.
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And so it's really important not to use the term GMO
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because it's scientifically meaningless.
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I feel it's very important to talk about a specific crop
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and a specific product, and think about the needs of the consumer.
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CA: So part of what's happening here is that there's a mental model
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in a lot of people that nature is nature, and it's pure and pristine,
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and to tinker with it is Frankensteinian.
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It's making something that's pure dangerous in some way,
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and I think you're saying that that whole model
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just misunderstands how nature is.
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Nature is a much more chaotic interplay of genetic changes
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that have been happening all the time anyway.
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PR: That's absolutely true, and there's no such thing as pure food.
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I mean, you could not spray eggplant with insecticides
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or not genetically engineer it, but then you'd be stuck eating frass.
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So there's no purity there.
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CA: Pam Ronald, thank you. That was powerfully argued.
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PR: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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(Applause)
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