Anne-Marie Slaughter: Can we all "have it all"?

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So my moment of truth
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did not come all at once.
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In 2010, I had the chance to be considered
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for promotion from my job
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as director of policy planning
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at the U.S. State Department.
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This was my moment to lean in,
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to push myself forward
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for what are really only a handful
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of the very top foreign policy jobs,
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and I had just finished a big, 18-month project
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for Secretary Clinton, successfully,
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and I knew I could handle a bigger job.
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The woman I thought I was
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would have said yes.
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But I had been commuting for two years
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between Washington and Princeton, New Jersey,
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where my husband and my two teenage sons lived,
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and it was not going well.
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I tried on the idea of eking out another two years
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in Washington, or maybe uprooting my sons
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from their school and my husband from his work
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and asking them to join me.
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But deep down, I knew
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that the right decision was to go home,
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even if I didn't fully recognize the woman
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who was making that choice.
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That was a decision based on love
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and responsibility.
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I couldn't keep watching my oldest son
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make bad choices
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without being able to be there for him
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when and if he needed me.
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But the real change came more gradually.
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Over the next year,
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while my family was righting itself,
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I started to realize
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that even if I could go back into government,
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I didn't want to.
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I didn't want to miss the last five years
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that my sons were at home.
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I finally allowed myself to accept
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what was really most important to me,
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not what I was conditioned to want
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or maybe what I conditioned myself to want,
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and that decision led to a reassessment
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of the feminist narrative that I grew up with
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and have always championed.
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I am still completely committed
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to the cause of male-female equality,
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but let's think about what that equality really means,
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and how best to achieve it.
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I always accepted the idea
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that the most respected and powerful people
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in our society are men at the top of their careers,
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so that the measure of male-female equality
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ought to be how many women are in those positions:
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prime ministers, presidents, CEOs,
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directors, managers, Nobel laureates, leaders.
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I still think we should do everything we possibly can
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to achieve that goal.
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But that's only half of real equality,
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and I now think we're never going to get there
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unless we recognize the other half.
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I suggest that real equality,
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full equality,
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does not just mean valuing women
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on male terms.
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It means creating a much wider range
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of equally respected choices
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for women and for men.
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And to get there, we have to change our workplaces,
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our policies and our culture.
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In the workplace,
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real equality means valuing family
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just as much as work,
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and understanding that the two reinforce each other.
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As a leader and as a manager,
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I have always acted on the mantra,
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if family comes first,
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work does not come second --
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life comes together.
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If you work for me, and you have a family issue,
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I expect you to attend to it,
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and I am confident,
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and my confidence has always been borne out,
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that the work will get done, and done better.
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Workers who have a reason to get home
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to care for their children or their family members
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are more focused, more efficient,
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more results-focused.
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And breadwinners who are also caregivers
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have a much wider range
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of experiences and contacts.
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Think about a lawyer who spends part of his time
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at school events for his kids
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talking to other parents.
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He's much more likely to bring in
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new clients for his firm
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than a lawyer who never leaves his office.
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And caregiving itself
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develops patience --
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a lot of patience --
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and empathy, creativity, resilience, adaptability.
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Those are all attributes that are ever more important
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in a high-speed, horizontal,
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networked global economy.
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The best companies actually know this.
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The companies that win awards
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for workplace flexibility in the United States
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include some of our most successful corporations,
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and a 2008 national study
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on the changing workforce
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showed that employees
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in flexible and effective workplaces
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are more engaged with their work,
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they're more satisfied and more loyal,
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they have lower levels of stress
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and higher levels of mental health.
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And a 2012 study of employers
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showed that deep, flexible practices
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actually lowered operating costs
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and increased adaptability
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in a global service economy.
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So you may think
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that the privileging of work over family
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is only an American problem.
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Sadly, though, the obsession with work
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is no longer a uniquely American disease.
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Twenty years ago,
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when my family first started going to Italy,
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we used to luxuriate in the culture of siesta.
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Siesta is not just about avoiding the heat of the day.
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It's actually just as much
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about embracing the warmth of a family lunch.
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Now, when we go, fewer and fewer businesses
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close for siesta,
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reflecting the advance of global corporations
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and 24-hour competition.
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So making a place for those we love
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is actually a global imperative.
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In policy terms,
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real equality means recognizing
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that the work that women have traditionally done
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is just as important
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as the work that men have traditionally done,
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no matter who does it.
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Think about it: Breadwinning and caregiving
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are equally necessary for human survival.
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At least if we get beyond a barter economy,
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somebody has to earn an income
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and someone else has to convert that income
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to care and sustenance for loved ones.
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Now most of you, when you hear me
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talk about breadwinning and caregiving,
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instinctively translate those categories
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into men's work and women's work.
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And we don't typically challenge
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why men's work is advantaged.
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But consider a same-sex couple
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like my friends Sarah and Emily.
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They're psychiatrists.
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They got married five years ago,
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and now they have two-year-old twins.
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They love being mothers,
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but they also love their work,
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and they're really good at what they do.
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So how are they going to divide up
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breadwinning and caregiving responsibilities?
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Should one of them stop working
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or reduce hours to be home?
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Or should they both change their practices
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so they can have much more flexible schedules?
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And what criteria should they use
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to make that decision?
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Is it who makes the most money
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or who is most committed to her career?
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Or who has the most flexible boss?
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The same-sex perspective helps us see
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that juggling work and family
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are not women's problems,
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they're family problems.
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And Sarah and Emily are the lucky ones,
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because they have a choice
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about how much they want to work.
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Millions of men and women
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have to be both breadwinners and caregivers
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just to earn the income they need,
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and many of those workers are scrambling.
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They're patching together care arrangements
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that are inadequate
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and often actually unsafe.
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If breadwinning and caregiving are really equal,
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then why shouldn't a government
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invest as much in an infrastructure of care
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as the foundation of a healthy society
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as it invests in physical infrastructure
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as the backbone of a successful economy?
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The governments that get it --
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no surprises here --
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the governments that get it,
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Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands,
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provide universal child care,
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support for caregivers at home,
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school and early childhood education,
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protections for pregnant women,
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and care for the elderly and the disabled.
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Those governments invest in that infrastructure
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the same way they invest in roads and bridges
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and tunnels and trains.
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Those societies also show you
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that breadwinning and caregiving
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reinforce each other.
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They routinely rank among the top 15 countries
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of the most globally competitive economies,
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but at the same time,
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they rank very high on the OECD Better Life Index.
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In fact, they rank higher than other governments,
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like my own, the U.S., or Switzerland,
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that have higher average levels of income
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but lower rankings on work-life balance.
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So changing our workplaces
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and building infrastructures of care
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would make a big difference,
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but we're not going to get equally valued choices
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unless we change our culture,
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and the kind of cultural change required
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means re-socializing men.
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(Applause)
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Increasingly in developed countries,
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women are socialized to believe that our place
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is no longer only in the home,
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but men are actually still where they always were.
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Men are still socialized to believe
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that they have to be breadwinners,
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that to derive their self-worth
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from how high they can climb over other men
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on a career ladder.
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The feminist revolution still has a long way to go.
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It's certainly not complete.
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But 60 years after
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"The Feminine Mystique" was published,
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many women actually have
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more choices than men do.
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We can decide to be a breadwinner,
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a caregiver, or any combination of the two.
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When a man, on the other hand,
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decides to be a caregiver,
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he puts his manhood on the line.
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His friends may praise his decision,
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but underneath, they're scratching their heads.
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Isn't the measure of a man
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his willingness to compete with other men
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for power and prestige?
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And as many women hold that view as men do.
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We know that lots of women
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still judge the attractiveness of a man
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based in large part on how successful he is
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in his career.
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A woman can drop out of the work force
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and still be an attractive partner.
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For a man, that's a risky proposition.
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So as parents and partners,
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we should be socializing our sons
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and our husbands
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to be whatever they want to be,
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either caregivers or breadwinners.
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We should be socializing them to make caregiving
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cool for guys.
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(Applause)
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I can almost hear lots of you thinking, "No way."
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But in fact, the change is actually already happening.
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At least in the United States,
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lots of men take pride in cooking,
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and frankly obsess over stoves.
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They are in the birthing rooms.
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They take paternity leave when they can.
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They can walk a baby or soothe a toddler
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just as well as their wives can,
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and they are increasingly
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doing much more of the housework.
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Indeed, there are male college students now
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who are starting to say,
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"I want to be a stay-at-home dad."
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That was completely unthinkable
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50 or even 30 years ago.
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And in Norway, where men have
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an automatic three month's paternity leave,
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but they lose it if they decide not to take it,
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a high government official told me
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that companies are starting to look
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at prospective male employees
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and raise an eyebrow if they didn't in fact
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take their leave when they had kids.
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That means that it's starting to seem
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like a character defect
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not to want to be a fully engaged father.
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So I was raised
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to believe that championing women's rights
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meant doing everything we could
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to get women to the top.
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And I still hope that I live long enough
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to see men and women equally represented
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at all levels of the work force.
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But I've come to believe that we have to value family
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every bit as much as we value work,
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and that we should entertain the idea
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that doing right by those we love
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will make all of us better at everything we do.
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Thirty years ago, Carol Gilligan,
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a wonderful psychologist, studied adolescent girls
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and identified an ethic of care,
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an element of human nature every bit as important
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as the ethic of justice.
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It turns out that "you don't care"
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is just as much a part of who we are
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as "that's not fair."
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Bill Gates agrees.
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He argues that the two great forces of human nature
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are self-interest and caring for others.
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Let's bring them both together.
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Let's make the feminist revolution
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a humanist revolution.
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As whole human beings,
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we will be better caregivers and breadwinners.
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You may think that can't happen,
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but I grew up in a society
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where my mother put out small vases
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of cigarettes for dinner parties,
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where blacks and whites used separate bathrooms,
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and where everybody claimed to be heterosexual.
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Today, not so much.
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The revolution for human equality
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can happen.
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It is happening.
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It will happen.
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How far and how fast is up to us.
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Thank you.
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