Antony Gormley: Sculpted space, within and without

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: roa hassan ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: Ayman Mahmoud
00:15
I'm going to tell you about why I became a sculptor,
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ุณูˆู ุฃุฎุจุฑูƒู… ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุงุตุจุญุช ู†ุญุงุชุงู‹,
00:20
and you may think that sculptors,
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ูˆ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุธู†ูˆุง ุงู† ุงู„ู†ุญุงุชูŠู†,
00:22
well, they deal with meta, they deal with objects,
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ุญุณู†ุงู‹, ูŠุชุนุงู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุน ุงู„ููˆู‚ูŠุฉ ุŒ ูˆ ูŠุชุนุงู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุกุŒ
00:27
they deal with bodies,
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ูˆ ู…ุน ุงู„ุงุฌุณุงู…,
00:30
but I think, really, what I care about most
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ูˆ ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู† ู…ุง ูŠู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ุงูƒุซุฑ
00:34
is making space, and that's what I've called this talk:
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ู‡ูˆ ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ุณู…ูŠุช ุจู‡ ู‡ุฐุง ุญุฏูŠุซ:
00:38
Making Space.
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ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ู…ูƒุงู†.
00:41
Space that exists within us,
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ู…ูƒุงู† ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุจุฏุงุฎู„ู†ุง,
00:45
and without us.
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ูˆ ุจุฏูˆู†ู†ุง.
00:48
So, when I was a child,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุทูู„ุงู‹
00:52
I don't know how many of you grew up in the '50s,
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุงุฏุฑูŠ ูƒู… ู…ู†ูƒู… ู†ุดุฃ ููŠ ุงู„ุฎู…ุณูŠู†ุงุช,
00:54
but I was sent upstairs for an enforced rest. (Laughter)
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ูˆ ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฑุณู„ ุงู„ูŠ ุงู„ุงุนู„ูŠ ู„ู‚ูŠู„ูˆู„ุฉ ุงุฌุจุงุฑูŠุฉ.(ุถุญูƒ)
00:59
It's a really bad idea. I mean, after lunch, you're, you know,
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ุงู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ููƒุฑุฉ ุณูŠุฆุฉ. ุฃุนู†ูŠ, ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุบุฏุงุก, ุฃู†ุช, ุฃู†ุชู… ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†,
01:02
you're six, and you want to go and climb a tree.
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ููŠ ุนู…ุฑ ุงู„ุณุงุฏุณุฉ ูˆ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุงู† ุชุชุณู„ู‚ ุดุฌุฑุฉ.
01:06
But I had to go upstairs, this tiny little room
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ูˆ ู„ูƒู†ูƒ ู…ุถุทุฑ ู„ู„ุตุนูˆุฏ ู„ู„ุงุนู„ูŠ, ู‡ุฐุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉ ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ
01:07
that was actually made out of an old balcony,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุจู„ูƒูˆู†ุฉ ู‚ุฏูŠู…ุฉ,
01:09
so it was incredibly hot, small and light,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒุงู†ุช ุบุฑูุฉ ุญุงุฑุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‹ ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ูˆ ุฎููŠูุฉ
01:14
and I had to lie there. It was ridiculous.
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ูˆ ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุณุชู„ู‚ูŠ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูƒุงู†ุช ุณุฎูŠูุฉ
01:18
But anyway, for some reason, I promised myself
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ูˆ ู„ูƒู† ุนู…ูˆู…ุง, ู„ุณุจุจ ู…ุง , ูˆุนุฏุช ู†ูุณูŠ
01:20
that I wasn't going to move,
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ุงู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู† ุงุชุญุฑูƒ,
01:23
that I was going to do this thing that Mummy
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ูˆ ุงู†ู†ูŠ ุณุงูุนู„ ุงู„ุดุฆ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุทู„ุจุช ู…ู†ูŠ ุฃู…ูŠ
01:25
wanted me to do.
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ุฃู† ุงู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡.
01:26
And there I was, lying there in this tiny space,
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูƒู†ุช, ุงุณุชู„ู‚ูŠ ููŠ ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‹
01:30
hot, dark, claustrophobic, matchbox-sized, behind my eyes,
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ุญุงุฑ, ู…ุธู„ู…, ุฎุงู†ู‚ุฉ, ููŠ ุญุฌู… ุนู„ุจุฉ ุงู„ูƒุจุฑูŠุช, ุฎู„ู ู†ุธุฑูŠ
01:37
but it was really weird, like, after this went on
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ูˆ ู„ูƒู† ูƒุงู† ุญู‚ุงู‹ ุบุฑูŠุจุงู‹ ูˆุจุนุฏ ุงู† ุงุณุชู…ุฑ ุงู„ุงู…ุฑ
01:41
for days, weeks, months, that space would get bigger
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ู„ุงูŠุงู… ูˆ ุงุณุงุจูŠุน ูˆ ุงุดู‡ุฑ, ุงู„ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ุงุตุจุญุช ุงูƒุจุฑ
01:47
and darker and cooler
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ูˆ ุงูƒุซุฑ ุธู„ุงู…ุฉ ูˆ ุจุฑูˆุฏุฉ
01:51
until I really looked forward to that half an hour
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ุญุชูŠ ุงุตุจุญุช ุงุชุทู„ุน ู„ู„ู†ุตู ุณุงุนุฉ
01:56
of enforced immobility and rest,
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎู…ูˆุฏ ูˆุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุณุฑูŠุฉุŒ
02:00
and I really looked forward to going to that place
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ูˆ ูƒู†ุช ุงุชุทู„ุน ู„ู„ุฐู‡ุงุจ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†
02:05
of darkness.
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ุงู„ู…ุธู„ู….
02:07
Do you mind if we do something completely different?
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ู‡ู„ ุชู…ุงู†ุน ู„ูˆ ู‚ู…ู†ุง ุจุนู…ู„ ุดูŠุก ู…ุฎุชู„ู ุชู…ุงู…ุงุŸ
02:10
Can we all just close our eyes for a minute?
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุงู† ู†ุบู„ู‚ ุฌู…ูŠุนุง ุงุนูŠู†ู†ุง ู„ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุฉุŸ
02:12
Now, this isn't going to be freaky.
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ุงู„ุงู†, ู„ู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุงู…ุฑ ู…ุฑูŠุจ
02:13
It isn't some cultic thing. (Laughter)
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ุงู†ู‡ ู„ูŠุณุช ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุทู‚ูˆุณ.(ุถุญูƒ)
02:15
It's just, it's just, I just would like us all to go there.
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ุงู†ู‡ุง ูู‚ุท , ุงู†ู‡ุง ูู‚ุท, ุงู†ุง ูู‚ุท ุงุฑูŠุฏ ุงู† ู†ุฐู‡ุจ ูƒู„ู†ุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
02:18
So I'm going to do it too. We'll all be there together.
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ูˆ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุณุงู‚ูˆู… ุจูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงูŠุถุงู‹. ุณูˆู ู†ูƒูˆู† ู…ุนุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
02:20
So close your eyes for a minute.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุงุบู„ู‚ูˆุง ุงุนูŠู†ูƒู… ู„ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
02:24
Here we are, in a space,
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ู†ุญู† ู‡ู†ุง, ููŠ ุงู„ูุถุงุก,
02:27
the subjective, collective space of the darkness of the body.
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ุงู„ูุถุงุกุŒ ุฐุงุชูŠุฉ ูˆุฌู…ุงุนูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุธู„ุงู… ุงู„ุฌุณู….
02:35
I think of this as the place of imagination,
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ุงููƒุฑ ุจู‡ุฐุง ูƒู…ูƒุงู† ู„ู„ุฎูŠุงู„ุŒ
02:39
of potential,
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ู…ู† ุฅู…ูƒุงู†ุงุชุŒ
02:42
but what are its qualities?
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุตูุงุชู‡ุŸ
02:45
It is objectless. There are no things in it.
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ู„ุง ุชูˆุฌุฏ ุฃุดูŠุงุก ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ.
02:50
It is dimensionless. It is limitless.
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ู…ู† ุฏูˆู† ุฃุจุนุงุฏ. ู„ุง ุญุฏูˆุฏ ู„ู‡ุง.
02:56
It is endless.
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ู„ุง ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ู„ู‡ุง.
03:01
Okay, open your eyes.
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ุญุณู†ุงุŒ ุงูุชุญ ุนูŠู†ูŠูƒ.
03:03
That's the space that I think sculpture --
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ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ูุถุงุก ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุญุช-
03:08
which is a bit of a paradox, sculpture that is about
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ู…ูุงุฑู‚ุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ู†ุญุช ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‡ูˆ
03:11
making material propositions --
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ุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุนู† ุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ู…ู‚ุชุฑุญุงุช ู…ุงุฏูŠุฉ-
03:14
but I think that's the space
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูุถุงุก
03:16
that sculpture can connect us with.
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ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุญุช ูŠู…ูƒู† ุงู† ูŠุฌุนู„ู†ุง ู†ุชุตู„ ุจู‡.
03:21
So, imagine we're in the middle of America.
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ู„ุฐุงุŒ ุชุฎูŠู„ ุฃู†ู†ุง ููŠ ูˆุณุท ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒุง.
03:25
You're asleep. You wake up,
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ุงู†ุช ู†ุงุฆู…ุงู‹. ูˆ ุชุณุชูŠู‚ุธุŒ
03:28
and without lifting your head from the earth
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ูˆุฏูˆู† ุฑูุน ุฑุงุณูƒ ู…ู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ
03:31
on your sleeping bag, you can see for 70 miles.
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ููŠ ูƒูŠุณ ุงู„ู†ูˆู… ุงู„ุฎุงุต ุจูƒุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑู‰ ุนู„ู‰ ุจุนุฏ 70 ู…ูŠู„ุง.
03:37
This is a dry lake bed.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุณุฑูŠุฑ ููŠ ุจุญูŠุฑุฉ ุฌุงูุฉ.
03:40
I was young. I'd just finished art school.
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ูƒู†ุช ุตุบูŠุฑุงู‹. ูˆู‚ุฏ ุงู†ุชู‡ูŠุช ู„ู„ุชูˆ ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ู„ู„ูู†ูˆู†.
03:44
I wanted to do something that was working
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ุฃุฑุฏุช ุฃู† ุงู‚ูˆู… ุจุดูŠุฆ ูƒุงู† ูŠุนู…ู„
03:46
directly with the world, directly with place.
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ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†.
03:51
This was a wonderful place, because it was a place
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ูƒุงู† ุฑุงุฆุนุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ู…ูƒุงู†ุงู‹
03:55
where you could imagine that you were the
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ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุชุตูˆุฑ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู†
03:57
first person to be there.
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ุฃูˆู„ ุดุฎุต ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
03:59
It was a place where nothing very much had happened.
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ูƒุงู† ู…ูƒุงู†ุงู‹ ุญูŠุซ ู„ู… ูŠุญุฏุซ ููŠู‡ ุดูŠุฆ.
04:04
Anyway, bear with me.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุญุงู„ุŒ ุชุญู…ู„ ู…ุนูŠ.
04:07
I picked up a hand-sized stone,
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ุงู„ุชู‚ุทุช ุญุฌุงุฑุงู‹ ุจุญุฌู… ุงู„ูŠุฏ
04:11
threw it as far as I was able,
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ุฃู„ู‚ูŠุช ุจู‡ุง ุงุจุนุฏ ู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠุŒ
04:13
it was about 22 meters.
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ูƒุงู† ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 22 ู…ุชุฑุง.
04:15
I then cleared all the stones within that radius
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ุซู… ู‚ู…ุช ุจุฃุฎุฐ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุญุฌุงุฑ ููŠ ู†ุตู ุงู„ู‚ุทุฑ ุฐู„ูƒ
04:22
and made a pile.
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ูˆ ู‚ู…ุช ุจุนู…ู„ ูƒูˆู…ุฉ.
04:25
And that was the pile, by the way.
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ูˆ ุชู„ูƒ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ูƒูˆู…ุฉุŒ ุจุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจุฉ
04:28
And then, I stood on the pile,
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูˆู‚ูุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูƒูˆู…ุฉุŒ
04:31
and threw all of those rocks out again,
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ูˆุฃู„ู‚ูŠุช ูƒู„ ู…ู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุตุฎูˆุฑ ุจู‡ุง ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
04:35
and here is rearranged desert.
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ูˆู‡ู†ุง ุตุญุฑุงุก ุงุนูŠุฏ ุชุฑุชูŠุจู‡ุง.
04:40
You could say, well, it doesn't look very different
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ุญุณู†ุงุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู„ุง ุชุจุฏูˆ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‹
04:42
from when he started.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุงูˆู„
04:44
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
04:46
What's all the fuss about?
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ู„ู…ุง ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู†ุงุกุŸ
04:47
In fact, Chris was worried and said,
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ูƒุงู† ูƒุฑูŠุณ ู‚ู„ู‚ ูˆู‚ุงู„:
04:49
"Look, don't show them that slide,
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"ุงู†ุธุฑุŒ ู„ุง ุชุจูŠู† ู„ู‡ู… ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุดุฑูŠุญุฉุŒ
04:50
because they're just going to think you're another one of
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุณูŠุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู†ูƒ ูˆุงุญุฏ ุงูŽุฎุฑ ู…ู†
04:52
those crazy modern artists who doesn't do much.
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ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ูู†ุงู†ูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุนุงุตุฑูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุฌุงู†ูŠู† ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ุง ูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆู† ุจุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ.
04:55
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
04:57
But the fact is, this is evidence
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฏู„ูŠู„
05:04
of a living body on other bodies,
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ู„ุฌุณู… ุญูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงุฌุณุงู… ุงุฎุฑู‰
05:07
rocks that have been the subject of geological formation,
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ุงู„ุตุฎูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุงู„ุชุดูƒู„ุงุช ุงู„ุฌูŠูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุฉุŒ
05:13
erosion, the action of time on objects.
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ุชุขูƒู„ุŒ ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุดูŠุงุก.
05:18
This is a place, in a way, that I just
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉุŒ ุฃู†ุง ูู‚ุท
05:21
would like you to, in a way, look at differently
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ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุชู†ุธุฑูˆุง ุงู„ูŠู‡ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ
05:24
because of this event that has happened in it,
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ุจุณุจุจ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุญุฏุซ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุญุฏุซ ููŠู‡
05:28
a human event,
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ุญุฏุซ ุจุดุฑูŠุŒ
05:30
and in general, it just asks us to look again
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ูˆุนู…ูˆู…ุงุŒ ูุฅู†ู‡ ูู‚ุท ูŠุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰
05:33
at this world, so different from, in a way,
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ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ ู…ุฎุชู„ู ูƒุซูŠุฑุง ุนู†ู‡ุŒ ููŠ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉุŒ
05:36
the world that we have been sharing with each other,
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ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุชู‚ุงุณู…ู‡ ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถุŒ
05:39
the technological world,
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ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุŒ
05:42
to look again at the elemental world.
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ู„ู†ู†ุธุฑ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุนู†ุตุฑูŠ.
05:46
The elemental world that we all live in is that space
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ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุนู†ุตุฑูŠ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุนูŠุด ููŠู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุงู„ูุถุงุก
05:52
that we all visited together, the darkness of the body.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฒุฑู†ุงู‡ ุฌู…ูŠุนุงู‹ ู…ุนุงู‹. ุธู„ู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฌุณู…
05:56
I wanted to start again with that environment,
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุงุจุฏุฃ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ุน ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉุŒ
06:00
the environment of the intimate, subjective space
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ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ูุถุงุก ุงู„ุญู…ูŠู…ุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฐุงุชูŠุฉ
06:04
that each of us lives in, but from the other side
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒู„ ูˆุงุญุฏ ู…ู†ุง ูŠุนูŠุด ููŠู‡ุงุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ
06:08
of appearance.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุธู‡ุฑ.
06:10
So here is a daily activity of the studio.
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ู‡ู†ุง ุฃุญุฏ ุงู„ุฃู†ุดุทุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุงุณุชูˆุฏูŠูˆ.
06:13
You can see I don't do much. I'm just standing there,
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑู‰ ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุงูุนู„ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ. ูˆุฃู†ุง ูู‚ุท ูˆุงู‚ู ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ
06:16
again with my eyes closed, and other people
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ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ุน ุนูŠู†ุงูŠ ู…ุบู„ู‚ุฉุŒ ูˆุฃุดุฎุงุต ุขุฎุฑูŠู†
06:19
are molding me, evidential.
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ูŠุตุจูˆู† ููŠู†ูŠุŒ
06:24
This is an indexical register of a lived moment
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ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ุณุฌู„ ุฏู„ูŠู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุญุธุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุงุดุฉ
06:27
of a body in time.
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ู„ู„ุฌุณุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช
06:30
Can we map that space, using the language of neutrinos
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุชุฎุทูŠุท ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูุถุงุกุŒ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ู†ูŠูˆุชุฑูˆู†ุงุช
06:36
or cosmic rays, taking the bounding condition of the body
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฃุดุนุฉ ุงู„ูƒูˆู†ูŠุฉุŒ ุจุฃุฎุฐ ุงู„ุธุฑูˆู ุงู„ู…ู„ุฒู…ุฉ ู„ู„ุฌุณู…
06:41
as its limit, but in complete reversal of, in a way,
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ูƒุญุฏ ู„ู‡ุŒ ู„ูƒู† ู ุจุงู„ุนูƒุณ ุชู…ุงู…ุงู‹ุŒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉุŒ
06:46
the most traditional Greek idea of pointing?
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ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู†ุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชู‚ู„ูŠุฏูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุฅุดุงุฑุฉุŸ
06:49
In the old days they used to take a lump of Pentelic marble
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ููŠ ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุฎูˆุงู„ูŠ ุงุนุชุงุฏูˆุง ุงู† ูŠุฃุฎุฐูˆุง ูƒุชู„ุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุฎุงู… ุงู„ุจู†ุชุงู„ูŠ
06:53
and drill from the surface in order to identify the skin,
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ูˆ ูŠุญูุฑูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณุทุญ ู…ู† ุงุฌู„ ุงู† ูŠุชุนุฑููˆุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุดุฑุฉ
06:57
the appearance,
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ุงู„ู…ุธู‡ุฑุŒ
06:59
what Aristotle defined as the distinction
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ู…ุง ุนุฑูู‡ ุฃุฑุณุทูˆ ูƒุงู„ุชู…ูŠูŠุฒ
07:02
between substance and appearance,
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ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฌูˆู‡ุฑ ูˆุงู„ู…ุธู‡ุฑุŒ
07:04
the thing that makes things visible,
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ุงู„ุงุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌุนู„ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู…ุฑุฆูŠุฉุŒ
07:07
but here we're working from the other side.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู†ุญู† ู†ุนู…ู„ ู‡ู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ.
07:10
Or can we do it as an exclusive membrane?
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ุฃูˆ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒุบุดุงุก ุญุตุฑูŠุŸ
07:14
This is a lead case made around the space
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ู‡ุฐุง ุตู†ุฏูˆู‚ ุฑุตุงุต ุตู†ุน ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ูุถุงุก
07:20
that my body occupied, but it's now void.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุญุชู„ู‡ ุฌุณุฏูŠุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ุงู„ุงู† ูุงุฑุบุฉ.
07:24
This is a work called "Learning To See."
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ู‡ุฐุง ุนู…ู„ ูŠุณู…ู‰ "ุชุนู„ู… ุงู† ุชู†ุธุฑ."
07:28
It's a bit of, well, we could call it night,
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ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹ ู…ู†ุŒ ุญุณู†ุงู‹ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุณู…ูŠู‡ุง ู„ูŠู„ุŒ
07:34
we could call it the 96 percent of gravity
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ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุณู…ูŠู‡ 96% ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงุฐุจูŠุฉ
07:38
that we don't know about, dark matter,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุง ู†ุนุฑู ุนู†ู‡ุงุŒ ุงู„ู…ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู…ุธู„ู…ุฉุŒ
07:42
placed in space, anyway, another version of a human space
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ูˆุถุนุช ููŠ ุงู„ูุถุงุกุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุญุงู„ุŒ ุดูƒู„ ุงุฎุฑ ู…ู† ูุถุงุก ุงู„ุงู†ุณุงู†
07:45
in space at large, but I don't know if you can see,
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ููŠ ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ุฃุนุฑู ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑู‰ุŒ
07:48
the eyes are indicated, they're closed.
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ุงู„ุนูŠูˆู† ู…ุญุฏุฏุฉุŒ ูˆ ู…ุบู„ู‚ุฉ.
07:54
It's called "Learning To See" because it's about an object
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ุงู†ู‡ุง ุชุณู…ู‰ "ุชุนู„ู… ุงู† ุชุฑู‰" ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุญูˆู„ ูƒุงุฆู†
07:58
that hopefully works reflexively and talks about that
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุฃู…ู„ ุฃู† ูŠุนู…ู„ ุจุงู„ุบุฑูŠุฒุฉ ูˆูŠุชุญุฏุซ ุนู†
08:02
vision or connection with the darkness of the body
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ุงู„ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงุชุตุงู„ ู…ุน ุธู„ุงู… ุงู„ุฌุณู…
08:06
that I see as a space of potential.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุฑุงู‡ุง ูƒู…ุณุงุญุฉ ู…ู† ุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠุงุช.
08:11
Can we do it another way, using the language
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ
08:14
of particles around a nucleus, and talk about the body
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุณูŠู…ุงุช ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ูˆุงุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุฌุณู…
08:17
as an energy center?
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ูƒู…ุฑูƒุฒ ู„ู„ุทุงู‚ุฉุŸ
08:19
No longer about statues, no longer having to take that
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ู„ู… ูŠุนุฏ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุชู…ุงุซูŠู„ุŒ ู„ู… ุชุนุฏ ุจุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู† ุชุฃุฎุฐ
08:22
duty of standing, the standing of a human body,
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ูˆุงุฌุจ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆูุŒ ูˆู‚ูˆู ุฌุณู… ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ุŒ
08:25
or the standing of a statue, release it,
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ุฃูˆ ูˆู‚ูˆู ุชู…ุซุงู„ุŒ ุงุชุฑูƒู‡ุŒ
08:29
allow it to be an energy field, a space in space
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ุงุชุญ ู„ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุญู‚ู„ ุทุงู‚ุฉุŒ ู…ูƒุงู† ููŠ ุงู„ูุถุงุก
08:33
that talks about human life, between becoming an entropy
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ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุจุดุฑูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุจูŠู† ุฃู† ุชุตุจุญ ุงู„ูƒูˆู†
08:40
as a sort of concentration of attention,
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ูƒู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุชุฑูƒูŠุฒ ุงู„ุงู‡ุชู…ุงู…ุŒ
08:44
a human place of possibility in space at large.
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ู…ูƒุงู† ุจุดุฑูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ูุถุงุก ูƒูƒู„.
08:50
Is there another way?
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ู‡ู„ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŸ
08:53
Dark matter now placed against a horizon.
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ูˆุถุนุช ุงู„ู…ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู…ุธู„ู…ุฉ ุงู„ุขู† ุถุฏ ุฃูู‚.
08:59
If minds live in bodies, if bodies live in clothes,
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ุฅุฐุง ุงู„ุนู‚ูˆู„ ุชุนูŠุด ููŠ ุงู„ู‡ูŠุฆุงุชุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู‡ูŠุฆุงุช ุชุนูŠุด ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู„ุงุจุณุŒ
09:03
and then in rooms, and then in buildings,
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ููŠ ุงู„ุบุฑูุŒ ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุจุงู†ูŠุŒ
09:07
and then in cities, do they also have a final skin,
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ูˆุซู… ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฏู†ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุฌู„ุฏ ุงุฎูŠุฑุŒ
09:12
and is that skin perceptual?
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฅุฏุฑุงูƒ ุงู„ุญุณูŠ ู„ู„ุฌู„ุฏุŸ
09:15
The horizon.
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ุงู„ุฃูู‚.
09:18
And is art about
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ูˆุงู„ูู† ุญูˆู„
09:20
trying to imagine what lies beyond the horizon?
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ููŠ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุชุตูˆุฑ ู…ุง ูŠูƒู…ู† ูˆุฑุงุก ุงู„ุฃูู‚ุŸ
09:26
Can we use, in a way, a body as an empty catalyst
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุณุชุฎุฏู…ุŒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุงุŒ ุฌุณู… ูƒุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุณุฑุน ูุงุฑุบ
09:35
for a kind of empathy with the experience
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ู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนุงุทู ู…ุน ุงู„ุฎุจุฑุฉ
09:39
of space-time as it is lived, as I am standing here
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ุงู„ุฒู…ุงู† ู…ุน ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ูƒู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุนุงุดุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุฃู‚ู ู‡ู†ุง
09:45
in front of you trying to feel and make a connection
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ุฃู…ุงู…ูƒ ุงุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุงุดุนุฑ ูˆ ุงุชุตู„
09:50
in this space-time that we are sharing,
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ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฒู…ุงู† ูˆ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ู†ุญู† ู†ุชู‚ุงุณู…ุŒ
09:53
can we use, at it were, the memory of a body,
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู…ุŒ ููŠ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ูƒุงู†ุชุŒ ุฐุงูƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฌุณู…ุŒ
09:57
of a human space in space to catalyze
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ู„ูุถุงุก ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู† ููŠ ุงู„ูุถุงุก ู„ุชุญููŠุฒ
10:00
an experience, again, firsthand experience,
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ุชุฌุฑุจุฉุŒ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉุŒ
10:04
of elemental time.
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ู„ู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰.
10:07
Human time, industrial time, tested against
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ุฒู…ู† ุงู„ุจุดุฑุŒ ุฒู…ู† ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนุฉุŒ ุถุฏ
10:11
the time of the tides, in which these memories
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ุฒู…ู† ุงู„ุงู…ูˆุงุฌุŒ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฐูƒุฑูŠุงุช
10:14
of a particular body, that could be any body,
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ู„ุฌุณู… ู…ุนูŠู† ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุฃูŠ ุงู„ุฌุณู…ุŒ
10:19
multiplied as in the time of mechanical reproduction,
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ู…ุถุฑูˆุจ ูƒู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุญุงู„ ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุงุณุชู†ุณุงุฎ ุงู„ู…ูŠูƒุงู†ูŠูƒูŠุŒ
10:24
many times, placed over three square miles,
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ู…ุฑุงุช ุนุฏูŠุฏุฉุŒ ูˆูˆุถุน ููŠ ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃู…ูŠุงู„ ู…ุฑุจุนุฉุŒ
10:28
a mile out to sea,
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ู…ูŠู„ ุฎุงุฑุฌุงู‹ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุจุญุฑุŒ
10:32
disappearing, in different conditions of day and night.
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ุชุฎุชููŠุŒ ููŠ ุธุฑูˆู ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงุฑ ูˆุงู„ู„ูŠู„.
10:36
You can see this work. It's on the mouth of the Mersey,
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„. ููŠ ุดุงุทุฆ ู…ูŠุฑุณูŠุŒ
10:40
just outside Liverpool.
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ูู‚ุท ุฎุงุฑุฌ ู„ูŠูุฑุจูˆู„.
10:43
And there you can see what a Liverpool sea looks like
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑู‰ ุจุญุฑ ู„ูŠูุฑุจูˆู„
10:46
on a typical afternoon.
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ููŠ ูุชุฑุฉ ู…ุง ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุธู‡ูŠุฑุฉ.
10:49
The pieces appear and disappear,
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ุงู„ู‚ุทุน ุชุธู‡ุฑ ูˆุชุฎุชููŠุŒ
10:52
but maybe more importantly --
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ู„ูƒู† ุฑุจู…ุง ุงู„ุฃู‡ู… ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ-
10:54
this is just looking north from the center of the installation --
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ูู‚ุท ูŠูˆุงุฌู‡ ุงู„ุดู…ุงู„ ู…ู† ู…ุฑูƒุฒ ุงู„ุชุซุจูŠุช-
10:58
they create a field, a field that involves
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ุดุฃูˆุง ุญู‚ู„ุŒ ุญู‚ู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจ
11:02
living and the surrogate bodies in a kind of relation,
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ุงู„ุงุฌุณุงู… ุงู„ุญูŠุฉ ูˆ ุงู„ุจุฏูŠู„ุฉ ููŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉุŒ
11:08
a relation with each other and a relation with that limit,
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ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูˆุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู…ุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุญุฏุŒ
11:13
the edge, the horizon.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุญุงูุฉ ุงู„ุฃูู‚.
11:17
Just moving on, is it possible,
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ู‡ู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู†ุŒ
11:19
taking that idea of mind, body, body-building,
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ุฃุฎุฐ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู‚ู„ ูˆุงู„ุฌุณู…ุŒ ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ุฌุณู…ุŒ
11:24
to supplant the first body,
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ู„ุชุญู„ ู…ุญู„ ุงู„ู‡ูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ุŒ
11:27
the biological body, with the second,
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ุงู„ุฌุณู… ุงู„ุจูŠูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠ ู…ุน ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุŒ
11:29
the body of architecture and the built environment.
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ุงู„ุฌุณู… ู„ู„ู‡ู†ุฏุณุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนู…ุงุฑูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ุฑุงู†ูŠุฉ.
11:32
This is a work called "Room for the Great Australian Desert."
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ู‡ุฐุง ุนู…ู„ ูŠุณู…ู‰ "ุบุฑูุฉ ู„ู„ุตุญุฑุงุก ุงู„ุฃุณุชุฑุงู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ูƒุจุฑู‰".
11:37
It's in an undefined location
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ููŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุนุฑู
11:38
and I've never published where it is.
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ูˆู„ู… ุงู†ุดุฑ ุงุจุฏุฃ ุฃูŠู† ู‡ูŠ.
11:41
It's an object for the mind.
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ุงู†ู‡ุง ูƒุงุฆู† ู„ู„ุนู‚ู„.
11:43
I think of it as a 21st-century Buddha.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจูˆุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† ุงู„ุญุงุฏูŠ ูˆุงู„ุนุดุฑูŠู†.
11:47
Again, the darkness of the body,
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ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุธู„ุงู… ุงู„ุฌุณู…ุŒ
11:49
now held within this bunker shape
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ูˆ ุงู„ุงู† ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุดูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆุฏุน ู‡ุฐุง
11:52
of the minimum position that a body needs to occupy,
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุถุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุงู‚ู„ ู…ุณุงุญุฉ
11:55
a crouching body.
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ู‡ูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฑูุตุฉ.
11:57
There's a hole at the anus, penis level.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุซู‚ุจ ููŠ ูุชุญู‡ ุงู„ุดุฑุฌุŒ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุถูŠุจ.
12:00
There are holes at ears. There are no holes at the eyes.
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุซู‚ูˆุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุฐู†ูŠู†. ูˆู„ุง ุชูˆุฌุฏ ุซู‚ูˆุจ ู„ู„ุนูŠูˆู†.
12:03
There's a slot for the mouth. It's two and a half inches thick,
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูุชุญู‡ ู„ู„ูู…. ุฐุงุช ุณู…ูƒ ุงุซู†ูŠู† ูˆู†ุตู ุจูˆุตุฉุŒ
12:07
concrete with a void interior.
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ุงู„ุฎุฑุณุงู†ุฉ ู…ุน ูุฑุงุบ ุฏุงุฎู„ูŠ.
12:10
Again, a site found with a completely flat
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ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ู…ูˆู‚ุน ูˆุฌุฏ ู…ุน
12:14
360-degree horizon.
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360 ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูู‚ ู…ุณุทุญ ุชู…ุงู…ุงู‹.
12:18
This is just simply asking, again,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ุŒ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
12:23
as if we had arrived for the first time,
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ูƒู…ุง ู„ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู‚ุฏ ูˆุตู„ู†ุง ู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ุฑุฉุŒ
12:27
what is the relationship of the human project
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุดุฑูˆุน ุงู„ุจุดุฑูŠ
12:31
to time and space?
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ู„ู„ุฒู…ุงู† ูˆุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†ุŸ
12:36
Taking that idiom of, as it were,
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ุจุฃุฎุฐ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุงุตุทู„ุงุญูŠุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู„ูˆ ูƒุงู†ุŒ
12:39
the darkness of the body transferred to architecture,
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ุธู„ุงู… ุงู„ุฌุณู… ู†ู‚ู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‡ู†ุฏุณุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนู…ุงุฑูŠุฉุŒ
12:44
can you use architectural space not for living
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ูุถุงุก ุงู„ู…ุนู…ุงุฑูŠ ู„ูŠุณ ู„ู„ู…ุนูŠุดุฉ
12:48
but as a metaphor,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูƒุงุณุชุนุงุฑุฉุŒ
12:49
and use its systolic, diastolic
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ูˆุงุณุชุฎุฏู… ูุถุงุกู‡ ุงู„ุงู†ู‚ุจุงุถูŠุŒ ุงู„ุงู†ุจุณุงุทูŠ
12:53
smaller and larger spaces to provide a kind of
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ุงู„ุฃุตุบุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู„ุชูˆููŠุฑ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู†
12:58
firsthand somatic narrative for a journey through space,
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ุงู„ุณุฑุฏ ุงู„ุฌุณุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุจุงุดุฑ ู„ุฑุญู„ุฉ ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ูุถุงุกุŒ
13:04
light and darkness?
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ุงู„ู†ูˆุฑ ูˆุงู„ุธู„ุงู…ุŸ
13:07
This is a work of some proportion and some weight
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ู‡ุฐุง ุนู…ู„ ุจุนุถู‡ ู†ุณุจุฉ ูˆุจุนุถ ุงู„ูˆุฒู†
13:12
that makes the body into a city, an aggregation of cells
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุฌุณู… ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉุŒ ุชุฌู…ูŠุนุงู‹ ู„ู„ุฎู„ุงูŠุง
13:17
that are all interconnected
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ู…ุชุฑุงุจุทุฉ ุฌู…ูŠุนุง
13:20
and that allow certain visual access
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ูˆ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณู…ุญ ุจุจุนุถ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุงู„ุจุตุฑูŠ
13:25
at certain places.
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ููŠ ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ู…ุนูŠู†ุฉ.
13:27
The last work that I just wanted to share with you
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ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฑุฏุช ุงู† ุงุดุงุฑูƒู‡ ู…ุนูƒู…
13:34
is "Blind Light," which is perhaps
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ู‡ูˆ "ุงู„ุถูˆุก ุงู„ุฃุนู…ู‰ุŒ" ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฑุจู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู†
13:38
the most open work,
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ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุงู†ูุชุงุญุงู‹ุŒ
13:41
and in a conference of radical openness,
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ูˆููŠ ุงุชุญุงุฏ ู„ุงู†ูุชุงุญ ุฌุฐุฑูŠุŒ
13:43
I think maybe this is as radical as I get,
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฑุจู…ุง ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงูƒุซุฑ ุฌุฐุฑูŠุฉ ุงุณุชุทูŠุน ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุงู„ูŠู‡ุง
13:47
using light and water vapor as my materials.
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ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุถูˆุก ูˆุจุฎุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุงุก ูƒู…ูˆุงุฏ
13:52
Here is a box
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ู‡ู†ุง ุตู†ุฏูˆู‚
13:54
filled at one and a half atmospheres of atmospheric pressure,
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ุจุถุบุท ูŠุณุงูˆูŠ ูˆุงุญุฏ ูˆ ู†ุตู ู…ู† ุงู„ุถุบุท ุงู„ุฌูˆูŠ
13:58
with a cloud and with very bright light.
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ู…ุน ุณุญุงุจุฉ ูˆ ุถูˆุก ุณุงุทุน ุฌุฏุงู‹.
14:02
As you walk towards the ever-open threshold,
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ูƒู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุณูŠุฑ ู†ุญูˆ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุบูŠุฑ ู…ู†ุชู‡ูŠุฉ
14:05
you disappear, both to yourselves and to others.
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ุฃู†ุช ุชุฎุชููŠุŒ ู„ู†ูุณูƒ ูˆุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†.
14:13
If you hold your hand out in front of you,
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ุฅุฐุง ุฑูุนุช ุจูŠุฏูƒ ุงู…ุงู…ูƒ
14:15
you can't see it.
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฑุคูŠุชู‡ุง.
14:17
If you look down, you can't see your feet.
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ุฅุฐุง ู†ุธุฑุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃุณูู„ุŒ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ู‚ุฏู…ูŠูƒ.
14:20
You are now consciousness without an object,
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ุฃู†ุช ุงู„ุขู† ููŠ ุญุงู„ุฉ ุงุฏุฑุงูƒ ุจุฏูˆู† ุงูŠ ุดูŠุฆุŒ
14:27
freed from the dimensionful
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ู…ุชุญุฑุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุจุนุงุฏูŠุฉ
14:31
and measured way in which life links us
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ูˆ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุณุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑุจุท ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุจู†ุง
14:37
to the obligatory.
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ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅู„ุฒุงู…ูŠุฉ.
14:40
But this is a space that is actually filled with people,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูุถุงุก ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู…ู„ูŠุก ุจุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
14:45
disembodied voices,
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ุฃุตูˆุงุช ุจู„ุง ุฌุณุฏุŒ
14:47
and out of that ambient environment,
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ูˆุฎุงุฑุฌ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุทุฉุŒ
14:51
when people come close to your own body zone,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠู‚ุชุฑุจ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุฌุณู…ูƒ
14:55
very close, they appear to you as representations.
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ุจุดุฏุฉ. ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุจุฏูˆู† ู„ูƒ ูƒุชุตูˆุฑุงุช.
14:59
When they appear close to the edge,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุธู‡ุฑูˆุง ู‚ุฑูŠุจุงู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ุญุงูุฉุŒ
15:01
they are representations, representations in which
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ูƒุชุตูˆุฑุงุชุŒ ุชุตูˆุฑุงุช ุญูŠุซ
15:06
the viewers have become the viewed.
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ุฃุตุจุญ ุงู„ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏูŠู† ู…ุง ูŠุดุงู‡ุฏ.
15:10
For me, art is not about objects of high monetary exchange.
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ุงู„ูู† ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ุญูˆู„ ุงุดูŠุงุก ุฐุงุช ุชุจุงุฏู„ุงุช ู†ู‚ุฏูŠุฉ ุนุงู„ูŠุฉ.
15:16
It's about reasserting our firsthand experience
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ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุนู† ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ุฎุจุฑุชู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ
15:21
in present time.
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงุถุฑ.
15:24
As John Cage said,
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ูƒู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ ุฌูˆู† ูƒูŠุฌุŒ
15:27
"We are not moving towards some kind of goal.
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"ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุชุญุฑูƒ ู†ุญูˆ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู‡ุฏู.
15:32
We are at the goal, and it is changing with us.
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ู†ุญู† ููŠ ุงู„ู‡ุฏูุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ูŠุชุบูŠุฑ ู…ุนู†ุง.
15:37
If art has any purpose, it is to open our eyes to that fact."
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ู„ูˆ ู„ู„ูู† ู‡ุฏู, ูู‡ูˆ ู„ุชูุชุญ ุนูŠู†ูŠูƒ ุนู„ูŠ ู‡ุฐุฉ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ."
15:44
Thank you very much.
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ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ ุฌุฒูŠู„ุงู‹.
15:46
(Applause)
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ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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