The psychology of inequality and political division | Keith Payne

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Amanda Zhu
00:12
You've probably heard by now
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或許你已經聽說,
00:14
that economic inequality is historically high,
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經濟不平等到達了歷史上的新高,
00:17
that the wealthiest one-tenth of one percent in the United States
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美國財富排名在前千分之一的有錢人
00:20
have as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent combined,
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擁有的財富相當於 底層百分之九十的人的總財富。
00:24
or that the wealthiest eight individuals in the world
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或者,世界上財富排名前八名的有錢人
00:27
have as much wealth
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擁有的財富
00:28
as the poorest 3.5 billion inhabitants of the planet.
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等同於地球上最貧窮的 三十五億居民的總財富。
00:34
But did you know that economic inequality is associated with shorter lifespans,
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但你知道經濟不平等
與壽命縮短、快樂減少、
00:39
less happiness,
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犯罪增加、
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more crime
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及更多藥物濫用都相關嗎?
00:42
and more drug abuse?
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00:44
Those sound like problems of poverty,
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這些聽起來是貧窮的問題。
00:47
but among wealthy, developed nations
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但在富有、已開發的國家中,
00:49
those health and social problems
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那些健康和社會問題
00:51
are actually more tightly linked to inequality between incomes
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其實是和收入不平等有更密切的關係,
00:56
than to absolute incomes.
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而不是絕對收入。
00:58
And because of that,
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正因如此,
01:00
the United States,
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美國這個最富有 且最不平等的國家中的人民
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the wealthiest and the most unequal of nations,
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01:04
actually fares worse than all other developed countries.
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其實過得比所有其他 已開發國家都還要糟。
01:10
Surveys show that large majorities of Americans,
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調查顯示,大部分美國人,
01:13
both Democrats and Republicans,
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無論是民主黨或共和黨,
01:15
believe inequality is too high and want more equal pay.
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都相信不平等狀況太嚴重, 且希望能有更平等的薪水。
01:20
And yet as a society, we don't seem to be able to find the common ground,
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然而,整個社會似乎還未能找到共同點、
01:25
the consensus, the political will to do anything about it.
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共識、和政治意願去處理這個問題。
01:30
Because, as inequality has risen in recent decades,
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因為,這幾十年來, 隨著不平等的狀況越發嚴重,
01:33
political polarization has risen along with it.
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政治兩極化也隨之而起。
01:38
We see those who disagree with us as idiots or as immoral.
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我們把意見和我們不同的人 視為白痴或惡人。
01:44
Nearly half of Democrats and Republicans
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近一半的民主黨和共和黨
01:46
now think that the other side is not just mistaken
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現在都認為對方不僅是錯的,
01:49
but a threat to the nation.
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還是對國家的威脅。
01:52
And that animosity prevents us from finding the common ground
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那種憎惡讓我們無法找到交集
01:55
to change things.
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來改變現狀。
01:59
I'm a social psychology professor at the University of North Carolina,
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我是北卡羅萊納大學的 社會心理學教授,
02:02
and I study the effects of inequality on people's thinking and behavior.
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我研究不平等對於人的思想 與行為會有什麼影響。
02:07
I'm going to argue that it's not just an unfortunate coincidence
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我主張,不平等 與政治分裂會一起出現,
02:11
that inequality and political division have risen together.
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並非只是不幸的巧合。
02:16
There are good psychological reasons
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不平等會導致政治上的不和,
02:18
that inequality drives wedges in our politics.
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背後有充分的心理因素,
那這也意味著 ,
02:22
That means there are good psychological paths
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02:24
to improve both at once.
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可能有心理途徑能夠同時改善兩者。
02:28
To understand why inequality is so powerful,
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若要了解為什麼 不平等的力量如此強大,
02:30
you have to first understand that we are constantly comparing ourselves
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你首先得要了解,
我們經常會一直 把我們自己和他人做比較,
02:34
to other people,
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02:36
and when we do that,
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當我們這麼做時,
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we really like to come out on top,
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我們會很希望在比較之下高人一等。
02:40
and we find it painful to be on the bottom.
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矮人一截,讓我們會感到很痛苦。
心理學家稱之為「優於常人效應」。
02:44
Psychologists call it the "better-than-average effect."
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02:47
Most people believe they're better than average
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大部分的人認為, 在他們在乎的事物上,
02:50
at just about anything they care about,
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他們都比平均值更優秀,
02:55
which isn't strictly possible, because that's just what average means.
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那是不可能的事, 因為平均值就是這樣。
(笑聲)
02:59
(Laughter)
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03:01
But that's the way people feel.
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但人們總是會有這種感覺。
03:04
Most people think they're smarter than average,
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多數人認為自己的聰明、
03:06
harder working than average
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自己的努力、
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and more socially skilled.
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社交技能都在平均之上。
03:11
Most people think they're better drivers than average.
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多數人也認為自己 開車技術優於常人。
03:14
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:15
That's true even if you do the study with a sample of people
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針對目前因為自己肇事 釀成車禍而躺在醫院的人所做的研究,
03:18
currently hospitalized for a car accident that they caused.
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還是會發現同樣的結果。
03:22
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:25
So we really want to see ourselves as better than average,
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所以我們真的很想看見自己優於平均,
若發現實情並非如此,
03:28
and if we find out otherwise,
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03:29
it's a painful experience that we have to cope with.
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我們就得處理這種痛苦的感受。
03:33
And we cope with it by shifting how we see the world.
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而我們處理的方式就是 轉換我們看世界的角度。
03:37
To understand how this works,
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為了了解這背後的機制, 我和同事做了一項實驗。
03:39
my collaborators and I ran an experiment.
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03:42
We asked participants to complete a decision-making task to earn some money,
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我們請受試者做決策性的工作來賺錢,
03:47
and in reality, everyone earned the same amount of money.
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事實上,每個人賺到的錢都一樣多。
03:51
But we randomly divided them into two groups,
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但我們將他們隨機分為兩組,
03:53
and we told one group that they had done better than average,
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我們告訴一組,他們做得比平均好,
03:56
and we told the other group they had done worse than average.
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告訴另一組,他們做得比平均差,
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So now we have one group that feels richer and one group that feels poorer,
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現在,有一組覺得自己比較有錢,
另一組覺得自己比較窮,
04:05
but for no objective reason.
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但都是主觀認定,無客觀理由。
04:07
And then we asked them some questions.
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接著我們問他們一些問題。
04:09
When we asked them, "How good are you at making decisions?"
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當我們問他們: 「你有多擅長做決策?」
04:13
the better-than-average group said that they were more competent
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相對於比自覺貧窮的那組,
自覺有錢的那組 更會認為自己有能力。
04:17
than the below-average group.
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04:20
The better-than-average group said that their success
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自覺有錢的那組說他們的成功
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was a fair outcome of a meritocracy.
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是英才制度的公平結果。
04:26
The below-average group thought the system was rigged,
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自覺貧窮的那組認為 體制遭到不正當操縱,
04:29
and in this case, of course, they were right.
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在這個實驗裡的確是有操縱。
(笑聲)
04:32
(Laughter)
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04:35
Even though the two groups had the same amount of money,
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即使這兩組人擁有的錢一樣多,
04:38
the group that felt richer said we should cut taxes on the wealthy,
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覺得自己有錢的那組認為 我們應該對有錢人減少收稅,
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cut benefits to the poor.
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減少給窮人的福利。
04:45
Let them work hard and be responsible for themselves, they said.
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他們的說法是讓窮人自己 去努力,為自己負責。
04:50
These are attitudes that we normally assume are rooted in deeply held values
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我們通常會假設這些態度
根源於穩固的價值觀及畢生的經歷中,
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and a lifetime of experience,
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04:58
but a 10-minute exercise
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但僅僅十分鐘的操作,
05:00
that made people feel richer or poorer
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只是讓受試者感覺比較富裕或貧窮,
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was enough to change those views.
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就足以改變這些觀點。
05:07
This difference between being rich or poor and feeling rich or poor is important,
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「真正」富裕或貧窮 與「覺得自己」富裕或貧窮
之間的差異很重要,
05:13
because the two don't always line up very well.
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因為這兩者不見得一定一致。
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You often hear people say with nostalgia,
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你常會聽到有人懷舊地說:
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"We were poor, but we didn't know it."
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「我們很貧窮,但我們當時不知道。」
05:21
That was the case for me growing up,
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我成長過程就是這種狀況,
05:24
until one day,
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直到有一天,四年級午餐排隊時,
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in the fourth-grade lunch line,
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05:27
we had a new cashier who didn't know the ropes,
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有一名狀況外的新出納員,
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and she asked me for 1.25 dollars.
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她跟我要 1.25 美金。
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I was taken aback, because I had never been asked to pay for my lunch before.
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我吃了一驚,因為以前 從來沒有人跟我要午餐錢。
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I didn't know what to say, because I didn't have any money.
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我不知道該說什麼, 因為我身上沒有錢。
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And suddenly, I realized for the first time
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突然間,我第一次了解到,
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that we free lunch kids were the poor ones.
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我們這種吃免費午餐的孩子是窮孩子。
05:51
That awkward moment in the school lunch line
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在學校排隊領午餐的尷尬時刻
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changed so much for me,
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為我帶來了很大的改變,
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because for the first time, I felt poor.
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因為那是我第一次感到貧窮。
06:00
We didn't have any less money than the day before,
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我們那天的錢並沒有比前一天少,
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but for the first time,
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但我人生中第一次
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I started noticing things differently.
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我注意事情的方式開始改變了。
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It changed the way I saw the world.
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我看世界的角度改變了。
06:10
I started noticing how the kids who paid for their lunch
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我開始注意到那些付錢吃午餐的孩子
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seemed to dress better than the free lunch kids.
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穿的衣服似乎比 免費午餐的孩子更好。
06:17
I started noticing the big yellow blocks of government cheese
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我開始注意到我們家門口 總會出現政府配給的大塊黃色起士,
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that showed up at our door
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06:21
and the food stamps my mother would pull out at the grocery store.
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也注意到我母親在雜貨店 會拿出政府發的食物券。
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I was always a shy kid,
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我向來是害羞的孩子,
06:27
but I hardly talked at all after that at school.
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但在那件事之後, 我在學校幾乎不說話了。
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Who was I to speak up?
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我算什麼?哪能大聲發言?
06:34
For decades, social scientists looked for evidence
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數十年來,社會科學家 都在尋找證據證明
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that feeling deprived compared to other people
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自覺和其他人相比之下比較貧困的人
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would motivate political action.
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會有動機採取政治行動。
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They thought it would mobilize protests, strikes,
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他們認為這種感受會驅動抗爭、
罷工,甚至連革命都有可能。
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maybe even revolutions.
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But again and again what they found was that it paralyzed people,
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但他們的發現卻總是: 這種感受會讓人氣餒,
06:53
because the truth is,
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因為,事實是,
06:55
feeling less than other people
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自覺劣於他人,會帶來羞恥感。
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brings shame.
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06:58
It makes people turn away,
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這種感覺會讓人轉身不去面對問題,
07:00
disgusted with the system.
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對體制感到作噁。
07:03
Feeling better than other people, though --
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但自覺優於他人…… 那才會變成動力。
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now that is motivating.
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07:07
It motivates us to protect that position,
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這種感受會驅使我們 去守護優越的地位,
07:10
and it has important consequences for our politics.
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對我們的政治會造成影響。
07:15
To see why, consider another experiment.
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若要了解為什麼, 讓我們思考一下另一個實驗。
07:19
Again, we asked participants to make decisions to earn some money,
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同樣的,我們也請受試者 做決策來賺取金錢,
07:23
and we told one group that they had done better than average
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我們告訴一組, 他們做得比平均更好,
07:26
and the other group that they had done worse than average.
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告訴另一組,他們做得比平均更差。
同樣的,比平均更好的那一組 說這是公平的英才制度,
07:29
And again, the better-than-average group said it's a fair meritocracy,
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07:33
cut taxes on the wealthy,
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減少對有錢人收稅,
07:35
cut benefits on the poor.
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減少給窮人的福利。
07:39
But this time, we also asked them what did they think
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但這次,我們也問他們,
對於在這些議題上 和他們意見相左的受試者
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about other participants who disagree with them
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有什麼看法。
07:45
on those issues.
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07:46
Are they smart or incompetent?
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這些人是聰明,還是無能?
07:49
Are they reasonable or are they biased?
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他們是理性的,還是有偏見?
07:54
The better-than-average group said anybody who disagrees with them
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比平均好的那一組說, 和他們意見相左的人
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must be incompetent, biased,
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都一定很無能、有偏見、
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blinded by self-interest.
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被自我利益所蒙蔽。
08:04
The below-average group
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比平均差的那一組 對於對手不會抱持這種假設。
08:06
didn't assume that about their opponents.
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08:10
Now, there are lots of psychology studies
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有許多心理學研究
08:12
showing that when people agree with us,
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證明當別人認同我們時, 我們會覺得他們很出色,
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we think they're brilliant,
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當別人和我們意見相左, 我們可能會認為他們是白痴。
08:16
and when people disagree with us,
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08:17
we tend to think they're idiots.
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08:19
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:21
But this is new because we found it was driven entirely by the group
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但我們的新發現是, 這種現象完全只會發生在
自覺比平均好的那一組身上,
08:25
that felt better than average,
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08:27
who felt entitled to dismiss those people who disagree with them.
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他們自覺有資格可以屏棄 和他們不同的意見。
08:33
So think about what this is doing to our politics,
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想想看,隨著富人 和窮人的差距越來越大,
08:37
as the haves and have-nots spread further and further apart.
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這種現象對我們的政治會有什麼影響。
08:43
Yes, a lot of us think that people on the other side are idiots,
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是的,很多人都認為 另一邊的人是白痴,
08:48
but the people politically engaged enough to be yelling at each other about politics
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但對政治有足夠的關注,
而會為了政治彼此爭吵的人
08:54
are actually mostly the well-off.
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多半是富人。
08:57
In fact, as inequality has grown in recent decades,
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事實上,
隨著這數十年來不平等越來越明顯,
09:01
political interest and participation among the poor has plummeted.
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窮人對政治的興趣及參與度都大減。
09:06
Again, we see that people who feel left behind
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同樣的,我們發現, 覺得自己被遺棄的人
09:09
aren't taking to the streets to protest or organize voter registration drives.
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並不會走上街頭抗議 或者發動投票登記活動。
09:14
Often, they aren't even voting.
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通常,他們甚至不會去投票。
09:17
Instead, they're turning away and dropping out.
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反之,他們轉過身,選擇退出。
09:22
So if we want to do something about extreme inequality,
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對於極端不平等, 如果我們想要做點什麼,
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we have to fix our politics.
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我們就得整頓我們的政治。
09:27
And if we want to fix our politics,
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如果我們想要整頓政治,
09:29
we have to do something about inequality.
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我們就得處理不平等的問題。
09:32
So what do we do?
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我們要怎麼做?
09:35
The wonderful thing about spirals
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螺旋式的每況愈下有個好處,
09:37
is that you can interrupt at any point in the cycle.
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就是你可以在螺旋上的任何一點 切斷這個循環。
09:42
I think our best bet starts with those of us
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我想,希望會寄託在
09:45
who have benefited the most from inequality's rise,
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我們當中因為不平等加劇 而受益最多的人,
09:49
those of us who have done better than average.
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我們當中表現比平均更好的人。
09:53
If you've been successful,
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如果你很成功,
09:55
it's natural to chalk up your success to your own hard work.
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很自然會把你的成功 歸功於你自己的努力。
09:59
But, like the studies I showed you,
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但就像我剛才提到的研究,
10:01
everybody does that,
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每個人都會做同樣的努力,
10:03
whether or not it really was the hard work that mattered most.
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不論努力是不是成功的最大因素。
10:10
Every successful person I know
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我認識的所有成功人士
10:12
can think of times when they worked hard and struggled to succeed.
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都能想出他們在何時 很努力掙扎邁向成功。
10:18
They can also think of times
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他們也都能想出
10:20
when they benefited from good luck or a helping hand
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何時他們因為好運 或因他人相助而獲益,
10:23
but that part is harder.
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但這部分比較難想到。
10:25
Psychologists Shai Davidai and Tom Gilovich
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心理學家夏大衛戴 和湯姆吉洛維奇稱之為
10:28
call it the "headwind-tailwind asymmetry."
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「逆風—順風的不對稱性」。
10:32
When you're struggling against headwinds,
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當你逆風掙扎時,
10:34
those obstacles are all you can see.
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你眼中只有那些障礙。
10:37
It's what you notice and remember.
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你只會注意到、記住那些障礙。
10:40
But when the wind's at your back and everything's going your way,
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但當風從你背後吹來, 一切都順著你時,
10:43
all you notice is yourself
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你所注意到的就只有你自己,
10:45
and our own amazing talents.
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和你自己的驚世才華。
10:48
So we have to stop and think for a minute
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我們得要停下來好好想想,
10:51
to recognize those tailwinds helping us along.
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才能意識到一路上有順風的協助。
10:57
It's so easy to see what's wrong with people
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注意到和你意見相左的人 有什麼缺點很容易。
10:59
who disagree with you.
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11:01
Some of you decided that I was an idiot in the first two minutes,
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開始的兩分鐘內, 在座就有人認定我是白痴,
只因為我說不平等是有害的。
11:04
because I said inequality was harmful.
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(笑聲)
11:06
(Laughter)
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11:08
The hard part is to recognize
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困難的部分在於要承認
11:10
that if you were in a different position,
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如果你的立場不同, 你的看法可能也會不同,
11:12
you might see things differently,
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11:14
just like the subjects in our experiments.
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就像我們實驗中的受試者一樣。
11:19
So if you're in the above-average group in life --
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所以,若你在人生中 是屬於優於平均的那組,
11:22
and if you're watching a TED talk, you most likely are --
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若你會看 TED 演說, 基本上你就是那組。
11:24
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:26
then I leave you with this challenge:
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那麼我想給你個挑戰:
11:29
the next time you're tempted to dismiss someone who disagrees with you
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下次當你很想將某個 和你意見相左的人
11:33
as an idiot,
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貶為白痴時,
11:34
think about the tailwinds that helped you get where you are.
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想想協助你走到今天這一步的順風。
11:39
What lucky breaks did you get
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你得到過什麼好運?
11:40
that might have turned out differently?
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若沒有那好運,一切可能會不同。
11:43
What helping hands are you grateful for?
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你感激哪些援手?
11:46
Recognizing those tailwinds gives us the humility we need
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意識到這些順風,會讓我們謙卑,
11:49
to see that disagreeing with us doesn't make people idiots.
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讓我們了解到和我們意見不同 並不等同於白痴。
11:54
The real hard work is in finding common ground,
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真正困難之處在於找到交集,
11:57
because it's the well-off who have the power
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因為富人有權力
11:59
and the responsibility to change things.
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和責任來做出改變。
12:02
Thank you.
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謝謝。
12:04
(Applause)
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