My descent into America’s neo-Nazi movement -- and how I got out | Christian Picciolini

翻译人员: Christina Wang 校对人员: Cissy Yun

My journey away from violent extremism began 22 years ago,

我走出暴力极端主义的旅程 开始于 22 年前，

when I denounced racism

当我公然谴责了种族主义

and left the American white supremacist skinhead movement

并离开了我曾经协助建立的

that I had helped build.

美国白人至上光头党。

(Cheers and applause)

（欢呼与掌声）

I was just 22 years old at the time,

当时我只有 22 岁，

but I had already spent eight years, from the time I was 14 years old,

但是我已经花了 8 年， 从我 14 岁开始，

as one of the earliest and youngest members

成为了最早、最年轻的成员之一，

and an eventual leader within America's most violent hate movement.

最后还成为了美国最暴力的 仇恨运动的领导人。

But I wasn't born into hate;

但我并不是生于仇恨；

in fact, it was quite the opposite.

事实正好相反。

I had a relatively normal childhood.

我的童年还算挺正常的。

My parents are Italian immigrants

我的父母是意大利移民，

who came to the United States in the mid-1960s

在 1960 年代中期来到的美国，

and settled on the South Side of Chicago,

在芝加哥的南城安顿了下来。

where they eventually met,

他们在那里相识，

and opened a small beauty shop.

并开了一家小型美容店。

Right after I was born, things got a little bit more difficult.

我出生以后没多久， 生活就变得更困难一些。

They struggled to survive with raising a young family and a new business,

他们艰难地生活着， 要养活一个年轻的家庭和生意，

often working seven days a week,

常常一周要工作 7 天，

14 hours a day,

一天 14 个小时，

taking on second and third jobs just to earn a meager living.

还要兼职多份工作 只为赚取一点微薄的生活费。

And quality time with my parents was pretty nonexistent.

和父母相处的宝贵时光 基本是不存在的。

Even though I knew they loved me very much,

虽然我知道他们非常爱我，

growing up, I felt abandoned.

但成长的过程中， 我觉得我被抛弃了。

I was lonely, and I started to withdraw,

我很孤独，我开始远离一切。

and then I started to resent my parents and become very angry.

接着，我开始憎恨我的父母， 我变得很愤怒。

And as I was growing up, through my teenage years,

我慢慢长大，在青春期，

I started to act out to try and get attention from my parents.

我开始做出格的事 以试图得到我父母的注意力。

And one day, when I was 14,

有一天，我 14 岁时，

I was standing in an alley, and I was smoking a joint,

我正站在一个小巷里，吸着大麻，

and a man who was twice my age, with a shaved head and tall black boots,

一名光头男子，年纪有我的两倍， 穿着黑色长靴，

came up to me,

走到了我面前，

and he snatched the joint from my lips.

从我的唇边夺走了大麻。

Then he put his hand on my shoulder and he looked me in the eyes,

然后他把手放到了我的肩上， 看着我的眼睛，

and he said,

说到：

"That's what the communists and the Jews want you to do

“这正是共产党和犹太人想让你做的，

to keep you docile."

把你变得容易驯服。”

I was 14 years old,

当时我 14 岁，

I'd been trading baseball cards and watching "Happy Days" --

我还在交换棒球卡片， 看“欢乐时光”（电视剧）－－

I didn't really know what a Jew was.

我并不太知道什么是犹太人。

(Laughter)

（笑）

It's true.

这是真的。

And the only communist that I knew was the bad Russian guy

而我唯一知道的共产党员是 在我最喜欢的“洛奇”系列电影中的

in my favorite Rocky movie.

俄罗斯反派。

(Laughter)

（笑）

And since I'm here baring my soul with you,

既然我是在这里坦白，

I can reveal that I did not even know what the word "docile" meant.

我可以告诉你当时我也不知道 “驯服”这个词是什么意思。

(Laughter)

（笑）

Dead serious.

我是认真的。

But it was as if this man in this alley had offered me a lifeline.

但那个巷子里的男人 像是给了我一条生命线。

For 14 years, I'd felt marginalized and bullied.

14 年来，我曾感到 被边缘化，被欺负。

I had low self-esteem.

我的自尊心很低。

And frankly, I didn't know who I was, where I belonged,

说实话，我并不知道我是谁， 我归属于哪里，

or what my purpose was.

我的人生目的是什么。

I was lost.

我很迷茫。

And overnight, because this man had pulled me in,

一夜间，因为这个男人拽了我一把，

and I had grabbed onto that lifeline with every fiber of my being,

我用尽全身抓紧了那条生命线。

I had gone from "Joanie Loves Chachi"

我已从“乔安妮爱恰奇“ （电视剧）

to full-blown Nazi.

走向了彻头彻尾的纳粹。

Overnight.

一夜间。

I started to listen to the rhetoric

我开始倾听他们的言论，

and believe it.

并相信它。

I started to watch very closely as the leaders of this organization

我开始密切的观察着 这个组织的领导者们，

would target vulnerable young people who felt marginalized

他们会针对弱势的、 感到自己被边缘化的年轻人，

and then draw them in with promises of paradise

然后许下自己以后会违背的 天堂般的承诺

that were broken.

来吸引他们。

And then I started to recruit myself.

接着，我自己也开始招募新人。

I started to do that by making white-power music.

为了招募人，我开始制作 宣传白人至上的音乐。

And soon, I became the leader of that infamous organization

不久，我成为了 那个声名狼藉的组织的领导者，

that was led by that man in that alley

之前的领导人就是那个巷子里

who recruited me that day,

招募了我的男人，

who was America's first neo-Nazi skinhead and who had radicalized me.

他是美国第一个新纳粹光头党成员， 并极端化了我。

For the next eight years,

在接下来的八年中，

I believed the lies that I had been fed.

我相信了那些喂给我的谎言。

And though I saw no evidence of it whatsoever,

尽管我没有看到任何证据，

I didn't hesitate to blame every Jewish person in the world

但我毫不犹豫的责怪了 世界上每一个犹太人，

for what I thought was a white, European genocide

因为我以为他们在用多文化的事程

being promoted by them through a multiculturalist agenda.

推进欧洲白人的种族屠杀。

I blamed people of color

我怪罪了有色人种，

for the crime and violence and the drugs in the city,

怪他们造成了城市里的 犯罪、暴力、和毒品，

completely neglecting the fact that I was committing acts of violence

完全忽视了事实上，我自己也 天天都在犯下暴力行为。

on a daily basis,

and that in many cases,

而且在很多时候，

it was white supremacists who were funneling drugs

是白人至上主义者

把毒品带到了城市内部。

into the inner cities.

And I blamed immigrants

我怪罪了移民，

for taking jobs from white Americans,

怪他们抢走了美国白人的工作，

completely neglecting the fact that my parents were hardworking immigrants

完全忽视了事实上， 我父母也是辛勤劳作的移民，

who struggled to survive,

需要奋斗以生存，

despite not getting help from anybody else.

即使没有任何他人的帮助。

For the next eight years,

在接下来的八年里，

I saw friends die,

我看到了朋友死去，

I saw others go to prison and inflict untold pain

看到了他人进入监狱 并施加无法形容的痛苦

on countless victims and their families' lives.

到无数个受害者 和他们家人的生活。

I heard horrific stories from young women in the movement,

我从参与运动中年轻的女性 听到过可怕的故事，

who'd been brutally raped by the very men they were conditioned to trust,

她们被自己习惯性信任的男人强奸，

and I myself committed acts of violence against people,

而我自己也对他人犯下了暴力行为，

solely for the color of their skin,

只因为他们的肤色，

who they loved,

他们爱的人，

or the god that they prayed to.

或者他们祈祷的神。

I stockpiled weapons for what I thought was an upcoming race war.

我积攒了武器， 为了我以为会到来的种族战争。

I went to six high schools;

我去了六所高中：

I was kicked out of four of them,

我被四所开除，

one of them, twice.

其中一所被开除了两次。

And 25 years ago, I wrote and performed racist music

25 年前，我编写并表演了 种族歧视的音乐。

that found its way to the internet decades later

它十多年后传到了网上，

and partially inspired a young white nationalist

并部分的启发了 一个年轻的白人民族主义者

to walk into a sacred Charleston, South Carolina, church

走进一个神圣的教堂， 在查尔斯顿，南卡罗来纳州

and senselessly massacre nine innocent people.

然后毫无感觉的 屠杀了九个无辜的人。

But then my life changed.

但接着，我的人生改变了。

At 19 years old, I met a girl who was not in the movement,

19 岁时，我遇到了一个 不在这个运动中的女孩。

who didn't have a racist bone in her body,

她身体里没有一根种族歧视的骨头。

and I fell in love with her.

然后我爱上了她。

And at 19, we got married,

19 岁时，我们结了婚，

and we had our first son.

然后有了我们第一个儿子。

And when I held my son in my arms in the delivery room that day,

当那天我在产房中 用双手抱起我儿子时，

not only did I reconnect with some of the innocence that I had lost

我不只重新找回了一部分 我 14 岁时丢到的纯真，

at 14 years old,

but it also began to challenge

我也开始质疑

the very important things that drew me to the movement to begin with:

最一开始把我吸引进 这个运动的重要因素：

identity, community and purpose --

身分，集体，和目的－－

things that I had been struggling with as a young boy.

当我还是小男孩时 一直在挣扎的东西。

And now, I struggled with the concept of who I was again.

而现在，我再一次 挣扎于 “ 我是谁 ” 的概念。

Was I this neo-Nazi hatemonger,

我是个煽动仇恨的新纳粹，

or was I a caring father and husband?

还是一个有爱心的父亲和丈夫？

Was my community the one that I had manufactured around me

我的集体是那个我自己捏造出来的、

to boost my own ego,

为了膨胀自我的集体，

because I felt self-hatred for myself and I wanted to project it onto others,

因为我曾经恨着自己 并想把这恨意投射到他人身上，

or was it the one that I had physically given life to?

还是那个给了我生命的社会？

Was my purpose to scorch the earth

我的目的是把一切变成焦土，

or was it to make it a better place for my family?

还是让我的家庭活得更好？

And suddenly, like a ton of bricks hit me,

突然间，就像一吨砖块 砸到了我身上，

I became very confused with who I'd been for the last eight years.

我变的非常困惑， 不知道过去 8 年的我是谁。

And if only I'd been brave enough to walk away at that moment,

如果当时的我能足够勇敢地走开，

to understand what the struggle was that was happening inside of me,

能理解在我内心所发生的斗争，

then maybe tragedy could have been averted.

那悲剧就可能会被避免。

Instead, I did compromise.

但是我选择了妥协。

I took myself off the streets for the benefit of my family,

为了家庭，我离开了街头，

because I was nervous that maybe I could go to jail or end up dead,

因为担心我可能会进监狱或者死去，

and they would have to fend for themselves.

导致我的家人会需要为自己谋生。

So I stepped back as a leader,

所以我从领导者的位置退了一步，

and instead I opened a record store

然后开了一家唱片店。

that I was going to sell white-power music in, of course,

当然，我打算卖 宣传白人至上的音乐，

because I was importing it in from Europe.

因为我在从欧洲进口这些唱片。

But I knew that if I was just a racist store selling racist music

不过我知道如果只是一个 种族歧视的店家贩卖种族歧视的音乐

the community would not allow me to be there.

社区肯定不会容许我把店开在那里。

So I decided I was going to also stock the shelves with other music,

所以我决定也在架子上放些其它唱片，

like punk rock and heavy metal

像是朋克摇滚、重金属、

and hip-hop.

和嘻哈。

And while the white-power music that I was selling

虽然我贩卖的白人至上音乐

was 75 percent of my gross revenue,

占到了我总利润的 75 %，

because people were driving in from all over the country to buy it

因为人们会从全国各地开车到

from the only store that was selling it,

这唯一一家卖这种音乐的店，

I also had customers come in to buy the other music.

但我也有顾客来买其它音乐。

And eventually, they started to talk to me.

久而久之，他们也开始和我交谈。

One day, a young black teen came in,

一天，一个年轻的 黑人青年走了进来，

and he was visibly upset.

他看起来就很不开心。

And I decided to ask him what was wrong.

而我决定问问他出了什么事。

And he told me that his mother had been diagnosed with breast cancer.

他告诉我他的母亲 被诊断为患有乳腺癌。

And suddenly, this young black teenager,

忽然间，这个黑人青年，

who I'd never had a meaningful conversation or interaction with,

一个我之前从来没有过 任何有意义的交谈或互动的人，

I was able to connect with,

和我产生了联系，

because my own mother had been diagnosed with breast cancer,

因为我自己的母亲 也被诊断患有乳腺癌，

and I could feel his pain.

而我能感受到他的痛苦。

On another occasion, a gay couple came in with their son,

还有一次，一个同性恋情侣 和他们的儿子走了进来，

and it was undeniable to me that they loved their son

而我无法否认他们爱着自己的儿子，

in the same profound ways that I loved mine.

就像我深深地爱着我儿子一样。

And suddenly, I couldn't rationalize or justify the prejudice

突然间，我无法再解释或合理化

that I had in my head.

之前脑海中的偏见。

I decided to pull the white-power music from the inventory

我决定把白人至上的音乐从库存抽走，

when I became too embarrassed to sell it in front of my new friends.

因为我觉得在新朋友面前 卖这些音乐太惭愧了。

And of course, the store couldn't sustain itself,

当然，我的店无法经营下去，

so I had to close it.

所以我把它关了。

At that same time, I lost nearly everything in my life.

同时，我失去了 生命中几乎所有的东西。

I used it as an opportunity to walk away

我把它用作一个机会

来离开我曾参与了 8 年的运动：

from the movement that I'd been a part of for eight years,

the only identity, community and purpose that I'd really known for most of my life.

我大半生唯一知道的 身分、集体、和目的。

So I had nobody.

我没有任何人。

I lost my livelihood because I closed the store.

我丢掉了生计，因为把店关了。

I didn't have a great relationship with my parents, even though they tried.

我和父母的关系并不好， 虽然他们有过尝试。

And my wife and children left me,

我的妻子和孩子离开了我，

because I hadn't left the movement and disengaged quickly enough.

因为我并没有及早离开运动。

And suddenly,

突然，

I didn't know who I was again,

我再一次不知道我是谁，

or where I fit in

我归属于哪里，

or what my purpose was supposed to be.

或者我的目的应该是什么。

I was miserable inside,

我的内心很痛苦，

and I often woke up in the morning

每天早上醒来时， 我常常希望我没有醒来。

wishing that I hadn't.

About five years in,

大概五年后，

one of the few friends that I had was concerned about my well-being,

我少数几个朋友之一 很担忧我的身心健康，

and she came to me and she said,

所以她找到了我，然后说：

"You need to do something, because I don't want to see you die."

“你必须做点什么， 因为我不想看你死去。”

And she suggested that I go apply for a job where she worked,

她建议我去她工作的地方 申请一个职位，

at a company called IBM.

一个叫 IBM 的公司。

Yeah, I thought she was crazy, too.

是啊，我也以为她疯了。

(Laughter)

（笑）

Here I was, a closeted ex-Nazi covered in hate tattoos.

看看我，一个私底下 满身都是关于仇恨的刺青的前纳粹。

I didn't go to college.

我没上过大学。

I'd been kicked out of multiple high schools multiple times.

我曾被不止一所高中 开除过不止一次。

I didn't even own a computer.

我甚至都没有电脑。

But I went in,

但我走了进去，

and somehow, miraculously, I got the job.

不知道这样，奇迹般地， 我得到了一份工作。

I was thrilled.

我非常激动。

And then I became terrified to learn

接着，我知道了一件让我惶恐的事：

that they'd actually be putting me back at my old high school,

他们安排我到 我原来的高中，

the same one I got kicked out of twice,

就是那个把我开除了两次的高中，

to install their computers.

去安装他们的电脑。

This was a high school where I had committed acts of violence

在这所高中，我曾犯下暴力行为

against students, against faculty;

对学生，对老师；

where I had protested out in front of the school for equal rights for whites

我曾在学校的门口抗议 来争取白人平权，

and even had a sit-in in the cafeteria

我甚至在食堂静坐抗议

to try and demand a white student union.

来试图取得一个白人学生会。

And of course, as karma would have it,

不出所料，按着命运的因果报应，

within the first couple of hours,

就在我进学校的前几个小时，

who walks right by me but Mr. Johnny Holmes,

走过我身边的 是Johnny Holmes先生，

the tough black security guard I had gotten in a fistfight with,

我曾经打过架的强悍黑人保安。

that got me kicked out the second time

这事导致我第二次被开除，

and led out in handcuffs from the school.

我还戴着手铐离开了学校。

He didn't recognize me,

他没有认出来我，

but I saw him,

但是我看见了他，

and I didn't know what to do.

而我不知道该做什么。

I was frozen; I was this grown man now, years out of the movement,

我僵在了那里；我是一个成年人的， 离开了运动很多年了，

and I was sweating and I was trembling.

而我当时满身是汗，全身发抖。

But I decided I had to do something.

但我决定必须做点什么。

And I decided I needed to suffer under the weight of my past,

我决定我需要背负过去的重量， 为它遭受痛苦，

because for five years I had tried to outrun it.

因为五年来我一直试图避开它。

I'd tried to make new friends and cover my tattoos with long sleeves,

我曾尝试交新的朋友， 用长袖衣服遮住我的刺青，

and I wouldn't admit it

而我不敢承认，

because I was afraid of being judged

因为我害怕被评判，

the same way I had judged other people.

就像我当初评判他人一样。

Well, I decided I was going to chase Mr. Holmes out to the parking lot --

于是，我决定去追霍姆斯先生 一直到停车场－－

probably not the smartest decision that I made.

大概不是我做过的最聪明的决定。

(Laughter)

（笑）

But when I found him, he was getting into his car,

当我找到他的时候， 他正要上车，

and I tapped him on the shoulder.

于是我拍了下他的肩膀。

And when he turned around and he recognized me,

当他转过身来并认出我时，

he took a step back because he was afraid.

他因为恐惧往后退了一步。

And I didn't know what to say.

而我不知道该说什么。

Finally, the words came out of my mouth, and all I could think to say was,

终于，字句从我的嘴中脱出， 而所有我能想说的是：

"I'm sorry."

“我很抱歉。”

And he embraced me,

然后他拥抱了我，

and he forgave me.

并原谅了我。

And he encouraged me to forgive myself.

他还鼓励我原谅自己。

He recognized that it wasn't the story of some broken go-nowhere kid

他看出了这不只是一个破碎的、 一无所成的孩子的故事，

who was going to just join a gang and go to prison.

一个只会加入黑帮、蹲监狱的人。

He knew that this was the story of every young person who was vulnerable,

他知道这是每一个 容易受伤的年轻人的故事，

who was searching for identity, community and purpose,

他们在寻找自己的 身分、集体、和目标，

and then hit a wall

碰壁了，

and was unable to find it

找不回来了，

and went down a dark path.

然后走上了黑暗的道路。

And he made me promise one thing,

他让我承诺了一件事：

that I would tell my story to whoever would listen.

我要把我的故事 讲给任何一个想听的人。

That was 18 years ago,

这是 18 年前，

and I've been doing it ever since.

从那时起我就一直在做。

(Applause)

（掌声）

You might be asking yourself right now:

你现在可能会问自己：

How does a good kid from a hardworking immigrant family

一个从勤劳工作的 移民家庭来的好孩子

end up going down such a dark path?

是怎么走下了这么一条黑暗的道路？

One word: potholes.

一个词：凹洞。

That's right. Potholes.

没错，凹洞。

I had a lot of potholes when I was kid.

我小时候有着很多凹洞。

We all had them --

我们都曾有过－－

you know, the things in life that we hit

你知道的，我们人生中撞到的东西

that invariably just kind of nudge us off our path,

无可避免的把我们 轻轻推离自己的道路，

and if they remain unresolved

而如果它们一直没被解决，

or untreated

没被治愈，

or not dealt with,

没被处理，

sometimes we can get dangerously lost down pretty dark corridors.

我们有时会危险地 走丢到黑暗的角落。

Potholes can be things like trauma,

凹洞可以是创伤、

abuse, unemployment,

虐待、失业、

neglect,

忽视、

untreated mental health conditions,

没被治疗的心理疾病、

even privilege.

甚至特权。

And if we hit enough potholes on our journey in life,

而如果我们在人生的旅途上 碰到了很多凹洞，

and we don't have the resources or the help to navigate around them

并且没有资源或者协助 来帮我们绕开它们

or to pull us out,

或把我们拉出来，

well, sometimes good people end up doing bad things.

有的时候好人也会做出坏事。

One such person who had potholes is Darrell.

其中一个有凹洞的人是Darrell。

Darrell is from upstate New York.

达雷尔来自纽约州北部。

He had read my memoir,

他读过我的回忆录，

and he was really upset about the ending.

对结局感到非常失望。

You see, I'd gotten out of the movement

你看，我已经离开了运动，

and he was still in.

而他还在其中。

And he emailed me and he said,

于是他发了封电子邮件给我，说：

"I didn't really like the way that turned out."

“我不是很喜欢最后结局的发展。”

And I said, "Well, I'm sorry."

然后我说，“喔，我很抱歉。”

(Laughter)

（笑）

"But if you want to talk about it, we could certainly do that."

“但是如果你想聊聊， 我们当然可以。”

And after a couple of weeks of going back and forth with Darrell,

和Darrell来往回信的几周中，

I learned he was a 31-year-old military veteran who had been injured

我了解到他是一个 31 岁的 因伤退役的军人，

and was really angry about not being able to go to Afghanistan

他很气愤自己不能 去阿富汗杀穆斯林。

to kill Muslims.

And one day on the phone,

一天，在电话上，

he told me that he had seen a Muslim man in the park praying,

他告诉我他看到了 一个穆斯林男子在公园祈祷，

and that all he wanted to do was kick him in the face.

而他唯一想做的 是一脚踢到他的脸上。

I flew to Buffalo the next day,

第二天，我飞到了水牛城，

and I sat down with Darrell,

和Darrell坐下来谈，

and I asked him,

然后我问他：

"Have you ever met a Muslim person before?"

“你曾认识过任何一个穆斯林吗？”

And he said, "No!

他说，“没有！

Why the hell would I want to do that?

我为什么见鬼了要这么做？

They're evil. I don't want anything to do with them."

他们是邪恶的。 我不想和他们扯上任何关系。”

I said, "OK."

我说，“ 好吧。”

So I excused myself, and I went into the bathroom

于是我走进了洗手间，

and I took my phone out in the bathroom,

拿出了我的手机，

and I Googled the local mosque,

谷歌搜索了当地的清真寺，

and I called them very quietly from the bathroom,

然后我在从洗手间 很小声地打电话给他们，

and I said, "Excuse me, imam, I need a favor.

我说：“不好意思， 伊玛目 ［领袖］，我需要帮忙。

I have a Christian man

我这有一个基督教徒

who would really love to learn more about your religion."

非常想了解你们的宗教。”

(Laughter)

（笑）

"Do you mind if we stop by?"

“你会介意我们去拜访吗？”

Well, it took some convincing for Darrell to go,

我花了不少功夫来说服Darrell，

but finally we got there,

不过最终我们到了那里。

and when I knocked on the door,

我敲了敲门，

the imam said he only had 15 minutes left for us,

伊玛目说他只有 15 分钟留给我们，

because he was preparing for a prayer service.

因为他需要准备祷告。

I said, "We'll take it."

我说，“ 没问题。”

We went in,

我们走了进去，

and two and a half hours later, we came out after hugging and crying

两个半小时后， 我们已经历了泪水和拥抱，

and, very strangely, bonding over Chuck Norris for some reason.

很奇怪的，我们还因为查克·诺里斯 拉近了距离。［动作片演员］

(Laughter)

我不知道那是怎么回事，

I don't know what it was about that,

but that's what happened.

但它就是发生了。

And I'm happy to say now that Darrell and the imam,

现在我可以很开心的说， 你经常能看到

you can often find them at the local falafel stand,

达雷尔和伊玛目在当地的 中东小吃摊一起吃午饭。

having lunch together.

(Applause)

（掌声）

You see, it's our disconnection from each other.

你可以看出， 问题是人们缺乏联系。

Hatred is born of ignorance.

仇恨来源于无知。

Fear is its father, and isolation is its mother.

恐惧是其父，孤立是其母。

When we don't understand something, we tend to be afraid of it,

当我们不理解一个东西时， 我们常常会害怕它，

and if we keep ourselves from it,

而如果我们让自己远离它，

that fear grows, and sometimes, it turns into hatred.

这恐惧会加大，有时会变成仇恨。

Since I've left the movement, I've helped over a hundred people

自从离开运动，我已经 帮助了超过一百个人

disengage from extremist movements, from white supremacist groups --

脱离极端主义运动， 白人至上群体－－

(Applause)

（掌声）

to even jihadist groups.

甚至是伊斯兰圣战主义者。

And the way I do that is not by arguing with them,

我的做法并不是和他们争吵，

not by debating them,

不是和他们辩论，

not by even telling them they're wrong,

甚至不是跟他们说 他们哪里错了，

even though, boy, I want to sometimes.

尽管有时，天哪，我真的很想。

I don't do that.

但我不这么做。

Instead, I don't push them away.

相反，我不会把他们推开，

I draw them in closer,

而是把他们拉近，

and I listen very closely for their potholes,

认真倾听他们的凹洞，

and then I begin to fill them in.

然后开始把他们填满。

I try to make people more resilient,

我试着让人们变得更有韧性，

more self-confident,

更自信，

more able to have skills to compete in the marketplace

更有能力学习技能以在市场竞争，

so that they don't have to blame the other,

这样他们就不必责怪其他人，

the other that they've never met.

他们自己从来没见过的其他人。

I'd like to just leave you with one last thing before I go.

在我走之前， 我想再留下最后一个想法。

Of all the people I've worked with, they will all tell you the same thing.

所有我曾经帮助过的人 都会告诉你同样的东西。

One, they became extremists

第一，他们成为极端主义者的原因

because they wanted to belong, not because of ideology or dogma.

是因为他们想有所归属， 而不是因为什么理论或教义。

And second, what brought them out

第二，把他们带出困境的

was receiving compassion

是得到同情，

from the people they least deserved it from,

从最不该同情他们的人，

when they least deserved it.

在他们最不配同情的时候。

(Applause)

（掌声）

So I would like to leave you with a challenge:

所以我想留给各位一个挑战：

go out there today, tomorrow -- hopefully every day --

走出去， 今天、明天、最好每天

find somebody that you think is undeserving of your compassion

找到一个你认为不值得你同情的人

and give it to them,

然后给他们同情。

because I guarantee you,

因为我保证，

they're the ones who need it the most.

他们是最需要你的同情心的人。

Thank you very much.

谢谢！

(Applause)

（掌声）