Pop an ollie and innovate! | Rodney Mullen | TED

Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast

翻译人员: Ming Chen 校对人员: Lynsey Chen

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（滑板声） （音乐）

(Music ends)

（掌声）

(Applause)

So, that's what I've done with my life.

这就是我的生活（笑声）

(Laughter)

(Applause)

（掌声）

Thank you.

谢谢（掌声）

(Applause)

As a kid, I grew up on a farm in Florida,

小时候，我在佛罗里达州的农场长大，

and I did what most little kids do.

玩的东西和大部分小孩都一样。

I played a little baseball, did a few other things like that,

我玩棒球，还有一些类似的运动，

but I always had the sense of being an outsider,

但我总有一种感觉，自己只是个门外汉，

and it wasn't until I saw pictures in the magazines

直到我在杂志上看到

that a couple other guys skate, I thought,

玩滑板的年轻人；我想，

"Wow, that's for me," you know?

“对，我找的就是这个，”你明白吗？

Because there was no coach standing directly over you,

没有教练的管束，

这些年轻人可以尽情地挥洒个性。

and these guys, they were just being themselves.

当然，也没有竞争对手。

There was no opponent directly across from you.

And I loved that sense, so I started skating

我喜欢这种感觉，于是，

when I was about 10 years old, in 1977,

1977年我10岁的时候，开始了我的滑板生涯。

and when I did, I picked it up pretty quickly.

我就这样开始了，也很快上手。

这是1984年左右拍的一些画面。

In fact, here's some footage from about 1984.

It wasn't until 79 I won my first amateur championship,

直到1979年，我赢得了滑板生涯中首个业余赛冠军，

and then, by 81, I was 14, and I won my first world championship,

之后到1981年，我14岁时，

赢得第一个世界冠军，

实在让我很吃惊，

which was amazing to me,

and in a very real sense, that was the first real victory I had.

真真切切的，我取得了第一次真正的胜利。

Oh, watch this.

来，瞧瞧这个。

This is a Casper slide, where the board's upside down.

这是卡斯坡滑（Casper Slide），板身底面反转。

我心里一直都记得。（笑声）

Mental note on that one.

(Laughter)

And this one here?

而这个呢？是豚跳（用双脚带板起跳）。

An ollie.

So, as she mentioned, that is overstated for sure,

如她所说，确实有点言过其实，

but that's why they called me the godfather of modern street skating.

但也正因如此，

人们称我为“现代街头滑板教父”。

这有一些相关的照片。

Here's some images of that.

80年代中期，

Now, I was about halfway through my pro career

in, I would say, the mid-'80s.

正值我滑板生涯的半途。

Freestyle itself -- we developed all these flat ground tricks, as you saw,

所谓自由式，我们自创了所有平地上的技巧，

如刚刚所见，但进化出了一种全新的滑板运动，

but there was evolving a new kind of skateboarding,

被带到了街头，

where guys were taking it to the streets, and they were using that ollie,

他们就用豚跳（Ollie），

like I showed you.

我刚刚示范过的；他们用这种技巧

They were using it to get up onto stuff like bleachers and handrails

滑上露天看台、楼梯扶手、电梯扶手

and over stairwells and all kinds of cool stuff.

等等一些非常酷的地方。

So it was evolving upwards.

所以说实在是在不断地发展。

In fact, when someone tells you they're a skater today,

事实上，现在如果有人自称为滑板手时，

they pretty much mean a street skater,

所指的大抵是街头滑板手，

because freestyle, it took about five years for it to die,

这是因为，自由式大概在兴起五年后就没落了，

and at that stage, I'd been a "champion" champion for 11 years, which --

而那期，我一直稳坐冠军的宝座，

整整11年，简直，嚯......

Phew!

And suddenly, it was over for me, that's it -- it was gone.

而一夜之间都结束了。就这样。

一切都烟消云散了。我的专业奖牌被搬下架，

They took my pro model off the shelf,

which was essentially pronouncing you dead, publicly.

就像当众宣布你挂了一样。

That's how you make your money, you know?

你知道，我就是靠它养家糊口的！

你有自己签名的滑板、轮子、鞋子，

You have a signature board and wheels and shoes and clothes.

I had all that stuff, and it's gone.

还有衣服。风光一时！但现在都没了。

The crazy thing was, there was a really liberating sense about it,

但更疯狂的是，我竟然感到了一种释然，

我再也不用千方百计地守住冠军宝座了，

because I no longer had to protect my record as a champion.

又是“冠军”。

"Champion," again.

“冠军”听起来真蠢。但曾经也是如假包换，对吧？

Champion sounds so goofy, but it's what it was, right?

What drew me to skateboarding, the freedom,

曾经吸引我玩滑板的自由又回来了，

was now restored, where I could just create things,

重拾这种自由，我可以只顾创作，

because that's where the joy was for me, always,

因为这正是我的乐趣所在，一直都是，

was creating new stuff.

创造新的花样。

而另一件我拥有的就是扎实的技巧，

The other thing that I had was a deep well of tricks to draw from

that were rooted in these flat ground tricks.

就是那些根植于平地技巧的招式。

Stuff the normal guys were doing was very much different.

当时的滑板手运用的技巧跟我的相去甚远。

So, as humbling and rotten as it was —

我觉得实在是丢脸丢到家了，

And believe me, it was rotten.

相信我，那真的是不堪回首。我打算回到滑板场，

I would go to skate spots, and I was already "famous guy," right?

我原来还是个名人，不是吗？

And everyone thought I was good,

每个人都以为我有多牛。但在街头滑板这个新领域，

but in this new terrain, I was horrible.

我简直是菜鸟，于是，旁人就会说“喔！ 他竟然......”

So people would go, "Oh, what happened to Mullen?"

"嗯！ Mullen他是怎么了？" （观众笑）

(Laughter)

So, humbling as it was, I began again.

当时的确很丢人，但我又重新开始了。

Here are some tricks that I started to bring to that new terrain.

这些是我引入新领域的招式。

（滑板声）

And again, there's this undergirding layer of influence of freestyle --

而且都是，受到自由式基本功的影响，

Oh, that one?

那让我—噢，那个？

That's, like, the hardest thing I've ever done.

这恐怕是我做过中最难的了。

看这，这是滑板面。 （用板的砂纸面进行的滑行，因砂纸为黑色而得名。）

OK, look at that, it's a Darkslide.

有看到是怎样用板面去滑的吗？

See how it's sliding on the backside?

Those are super fun, and, actually, not that hard.

这一招真的超级好玩！（笑声）而且，也不是那么难。

You know, at the very root of that, see, Caspers,

其实，归根结底，看，就是卡斯坡滑，

see how you throw it?

看到滑板是怎么翻过来的吗？（滑板声）

Simple as that, right? No biggie.

就是这么简单，对不？ 没什么大不了的。（笑声）

And your front foot, the way it grabs it --

你的前脚，踩住滑板的方式，就是—

I'd seen someone slide on the back of the board like that,

我最开始看人家把滑板翻着滑的时候，

我就觉得“我怎么练得会啊？”

and I was like, "How can I get it over?"

我从来就没有那么滑过。

Because that had not yet been done.

但我很快就开窍了，

And then it dawned on me, and here's part of what I'm saying.

我有基础啊，我可是有很好基本功的。

I had an infrastructure. I had this deep layer,

where it was like, oh my gosh, it's just your foot.

我当时就觉得，天呐，滑板就像我的脚。

It's just the way you throw your board over.

翻板滑只是把你的板子翻过来而已，

Just let the ledge do that, and it's easy,

剩下的都交给台阶边缘，就那么简单，

这招掌握后，还可以演变出20几个新招式，

and the next thing you know, there's 20 more tricks

都大同小异。

based out of the variations.

所以，就这么简单。 看看这个，

So that's the kind of thing -- here, check this out,

这是另一招，我不会再放了。

here's another way, and I won't overdo this.

我知道，我有点讲太多了。

A little indulgent, I understand.

There's something called a Primo slide.

这招是普利姆滑（Primo slide），

（滑板声）

It is the funnest trick ever to do.

是我玩过中最好玩的一招！

（滑板声）

It's like skimboarding.

就像是玩沙板一样（skimboarding）。

And this one, look how it slides sideways, every which way?

看看这个是怎么用滑板的侧边滑来滑去的，

OK, so when you're skating, and you take a fall,

当你滑滑板的时候，你带起滑板，

the board slips that way or that way; it's kind of predictable.

滑板要么会往那边倒，或者往这边倒，这是可以掌控的。

This? It goes every which way -- it's like a cartoon, the falls,

而这一招，就要东倒西歪，就像动画片一样，

and that's what I love the most about it.

我最喜欢这个。

It's so much fun to do.

实在太好玩了。事实上，刚开始玩这招时，

In fact, when I started doing them, I remember, because I got hurt.

我因为膝盖受伤要做手术，

I had to get a knee surgery, right?

So there were a couple of weeks where I couldn't skate at all.

有好些天，嗯，不对，

是好几周都不能玩滑板。

It would give out on me, and I would watch the guys,

我的膝盖撑不住。于是，我就去看别人玩滑板。

我会去仓库旁边，

I'd go to this warehouse where a lot of the guys were skating,

看大家，包括我的朋友们玩滑板，

my friends, and I was like,

那时候我就觉得，“我得玩些新招式啊，我要创新！”

"I've got to do something new, I want to do something new.

“我必须从头开始，重新出发。”

I want to start fresh."

所以，在手术前一夜，我又去看别人玩滑板，

And so the night before my surgery, I'd watched, and I was like,

我蠢蠢欲动，”我要怎么玩这一招呢？“

我跑起来，跳上滑板，

"How am I going to do this?"

So I ran up, and I jumped on my board,

我翻起滑板，落在滑板上，

and I Cavemanned, and I flipped it down,

我尽量轻轻地着地了，当时我就在想，

and I remember thinking, I landed so light-footed, thinking,

如果我的膝盖没撑住，那医生们明早多干点活就是了。

if my knee gives, they'll just have more work to do in the morning.

（笑声）

(Laughter)

And so, when it was the crazy thing.

就是这么疯狂。

I don't know how many of you guys have had surgery, but --

不知道你们当中有多少人经历过手术，

但--（笑声）--- 在手术台上你总是很无助，对不？

(Laughter)

you are so helpless, right?

You're on this gurney and you're watching the ceiling go by,

你躺在轮床上，看着天花板，

每个手术差不多都这样，

every time, it's always that,

and right when they're putting the mask on you before you go to sleep,

就在医生们为我带上面罩，而我快睡着时，

我只有一个念头，”等我醒来，等我好了，

all I was thinking is, "Man, when I wake up and I get better,

the first thing I'm going to do is film that trick."

我首先就要把这一招拍下来。”（笑声）

And indeed I did, it was the very first thing I filmed, which was awesome.

而我真的做到了。那是康复后拍的第一个视频，

简直太牛了。

我已经给大家介绍了滑板花样发展的过程。

I told you a little bit about the evolution of the tricks.

再想想这些招式，

Consider that content, in a sense.

作为街头滑板手，我们玩的就是这些，

What we do as street skaters is, you have these tricks --

翻板滑，Primo。

Say I'm working on Darkslides, or a Primo,

你们现在也都清楚这些伎俩了。（笑声）

that you guys know this stuff now.

(Laughter)

What you do is, you cruise around the same streets

还要做到对已经烂熟的街道保持好奇心，

你已经在这里玩过滑板，

that you've seen a hundred times,

but suddenly, because you already have something

想一想，

in this fixed domain of this target, it's like, what will match this trick?

怎样更好地“因地制宜”。

How can I expand, how can the context,

怎样去突破？怎样才能让所处的环境

how can the environment change the very nature of what I do?

改变这些招式的本质呢？

所以，我就一直不停地滑，不停地滑，而我必须承认，

So you drive and drive and drive, and, actually I've got to admit,

我还是有点挣扎，毕竟我现在在TED讲台上，

just because I was struggling with this because I'm here,

but I'll just say it, is, I cannot tell you,

但我还是想说，我无法用语言来形容，我所享受的特殊待遇。

not only to be here in front of you,

在南加州大学，我简直是特权阶级，

but what a privilege it is to be at US campus,

because I have been escorted off of this campus so many times.

我曾无数次被赶出校园。（笑声）

(Laughter)

（掌声）

(Applause)

So let me give you another example of how context shapes content.

再来看另外一个例子，

环境是如何塑造招式的。

This is a place not that far from here, It's a rotten neighborhood.

这个地方离这儿不远。

是个比较乱的地方，首先你可能会想到，

Your first consideration is, am I going to get beat up?

你会挨揍吗？你走进去--看到这面墙了？

You go out and -- See this wall?

It's fairly mellow, and it's beckoning to do bank tricks, right?

墙面很干净，好像在召唤你去玩一些倾斜滑行的招式，对不？

But there's this other aspect of it for wheelies,

还有好多的因素诱惑着你去玩个后轮平衡滑，

so check this out.

看看这个，这又是些新招式，

There's a few tricks, again,

how environment changes the nature of your tricks.

这些招式都体现着环境如何改变你的招式。

Freestyle oriented, manual down -- wheelie down.

由自由式开始，后轮平衡结尾。

Watch, this one? Oh, I love this, it's like surfing, this one,

再看看这一招，我喜欢这招。

the way you catch it.

就像冲浪一样。

This one, a little sketchy going backwards,

而这一招，在向下滑时有点不顺畅，

and watch the back foot.

注意看我的后脚。

Oops --

（笑声）这又是值得记住的，等下我们可以回味回味。

(Laughter)

Mental note right there.

Again, we'll get back to that.

(Laughter)

Here, back foot, back foot.

就里，看后脚，看我的后脚

OK, up there?

That was called a 360 flip.

这是360度大翻转。注意看滑板是怎样翻转

Notice how the board flipped and spun this way, both axes.

并向这边纵横旋转的。

And another example of how the context changed,

还有一个环境如何改变滑板招式的例子，

and the creative process for me and for most skaters,

对于大多数滑板爱好者和我而言，最有创意的部分是

去到滑板场地，走出车子，看看是否安全，

is, you go, you get out of the car, you check for security,

you check for stuff.

看看是不是有工作人员在附近（笑声）

(Laughter)

It's funny, you get to know their rhythms, you know,

这非常有意思，你很容易就能摸清他们的工作安排，

很快就能认识巡查的人，

the guys that cruise around --

(Laughter)

同志们，其实玩滑板真的是件挺丢人的事。

Skateboarding is such a humbling thing, man.

不管你有多么牛，你始终都得面临（各种新挑战）

No matter how good you are, you've still got to deal with --

我得冲上某堵墙，最开始冲上去的时候，

So you hit this wall, and when I hit it,

the first thing you do is you fall forward,

我会往前倒，没关系，

and I'm like, all right, all right.

做适当的调整，

As you adjust ...

you punch it up, and then when I would do that,

并加大强度，而在我做调整的时候，

it was throwing my shoulder this way ...

我得把我的肩膀像这样甩起来，

which as I was doing it, I was like, "Oh wow, that's begging for a 360 flip,"

我做这个动作的时，我就觉得我的360度大翻转快练成了！

因为这就是360度大翻转开始的状态。

because that's how you load up for a 360 flip.

And so this is what I want to emphasize that, as you can imagine,

而这正是我想强调的，

大家可以想到，所有这些招式都是有别的招式衍生出来的，

all of these tricks are made of submovements,

这里面的运动机制，

executive motor functions,

more granular to the degree to which I can't quite tell you,

我也许说不太清楚，但是有一点我却很清楚，

but one thing I do know is,

那就是滑板每一个招式都是由两到三种一般的技巧

every trick is made of combining two or three or four or five movements.

甚至是四到五种技巧共同形成的。

And so, as I'm going up, these things are floating around,

当我向上滑时，所有的技巧就好像悬浮在空气中一样

and you have to sort of let the cognitive mind rest back,

这时候就得稍微忽略掉认知思维，让它暂停一下，

pull it back a little bit,

而让你的直觉、感觉发挥作用。

and let your intuition go as you feel these things.

And these submovements are kind of floating around,

这些衍生出来的招式也像漂浮一样，

而当你到达墙上时，就像一体的一样

and as the wall hits you, they connect themselves to an extent,

而这时，你的认知思维就应该回过神来了。

and that's when the cognitive mind: "Oh, 360 flip, I'm going to make that."

这时你自信满满，觉得360度大翻转已是囊中之物。

So that's how that works to me, the creative process,

对于我而言，街头滑板招式的创作过程

the process itself, of street skating.

就像我刚刚说的那样的。

哦！小心！（笑声） 这是一个滑板圈。

So, next -- Oh, mind you ...

(Laughter)

Those are the community.

这些人是世界上最优秀的滑板手。

These are some of the best skaters in the world.

These are my friends -- oh my gosh, they're such good people.

他们是我的朋友，都是些高手！

And the beauty of skateboarding is that,

滑板运动之美，

no one guy is the best.

在于没有人是最好的。我知道，这么说挺逊的，

In fact, I know this is rotten to say, they're my friends,

他们是我的朋友

but a couple of them actually don't look that comfortable on their board.

但在滑板上，他们依然不是所向披靡。

What makes them great is the degree to which they use their skateboarding

但了不起的是，

他们用滑板来彰显自我。

to individuate themselves.

当你认真看他们中的每个人，

Every single one of these guys, you look at them,

都能看到他们清晰的轮廓，

you can see a silhouette of them, and you realize,

"Oh, that's him, that's Haslam, that's Koston,

这时你就会知道，“噢，这是……那是Haslam，那是Koston。”

there's these guys, these are the guys."

他们就是这样的人。

And skaters, I think they tend to be outsiders

我觉得，滑板手都更倾向于户外。

who seek a sense of belonging,

他们追求一种归属感，

but belonging on their own terms.

是由自己定义的归属感，

And real respect is given by how much we take what other guys do,

真正的尊重，来源于对他人经验的吸收学习，

基本的技巧、360度大翻转，

these basic tricks, 360 flips, we take that, we make it our own,

我们学习这些招式，创造自己的招式，

and then we contribute back to the community

为这个圈子做出自己的贡献，

the inner way that edifies the community itself.

从而为这一圈子带来更多的启发。

The greater the contribution,

我们的贡献越大，

the more we express and form our individuality,

自我的表达就越强，个性标签也就越显著，

which is so important to a lot of us who feel like rejects to begin with.

这对很多在一开始就被否决的人来说是至关重要的。

The summation of that

这给予我们无穷的力量，

gives us something we could never achieve as an individual.

使我们能够做到一个人难以完成的事情

I should say this.

应该这么来说：在滑板圈里有种十分美好的平衡，

There's some sort of beautiful symmetry

that the degree to which we connect to a community

即我们与这个圈子相互关联的程度，

is in proportion to our individuality,

与我们个人特征成正比，

which we are expressing by what we do.

我们通过团体的行为来表达自我。

Next,

接下来，请大家看看这些人。这是个类似的圈子，

these guys, very similar community that's extremely conducive to innovation.

一个对创新有极大引导作用的圈子。

(Laughter)

来看看这些在警察局里拍的照片。

Notice a couple of these shots from the police department.

But it is quite similar, I mean, what is it to hack, right?

他们做的事和黑客很像，对不？

It's knowing a technology so well that you can manipulate it

当你对一门技术掌握得游刃有余的时候， 你就能控制这门技术，

and steer it to do things it was never intended to do, right?

从而在这门技术中做你从来没有想过的事，对吗？

而这些事并不都是些坏事，

And they're not all bad.

You can be a Linux kernel hacker, make it more stable, right?

你可以做Linux核心程序的黑客，让它更稳定更安全。

More safe, more secure.

你也可以是IOS黑客，

You can be an iOS hacker,

make your iPhone do stuff it wasn't supposed to.

让你的iPhone具有它原本没有的功能。

Not authorized, but not illegal.

你也许没有获得授权，但也不违法。

And then, you've got some of these guys, right?

这些人不也是一样么？

What they do is very similar to our creative process.

他们所做的和我们创新的过程十分相似。

They connect disparate information,

他们将分散的信息联系起来，

and they bring it together in a way that a security analyst doesn't expect.

再把这些信息安全地组合到一起

这是连一个安全分析技术员都难以预料到的，对吗？

It doesn't make them good people,

这也许不能使这些人成为超级大好人，

but it's at the heart of engineering,

但是，这却是工程技术的核心，

at the heart of a creative community, an innovative community,

也是创意革新圈子的核心，

and the open source community, the basic ethos of it

也是开放性资源的核心力量，

is, take what other people do, make it better,

其基本的理念就是：取他人之长，更上一层楼，

give it back so we all rise further.

再回馈大众一同享用。

Very similar communities, very similar.

非常相似的圈子，非常的相似~！

We have our edgier sides, too.

我父亲说得对，我们也有我们自己犀利的一面。

(Laughter)

It's funny, my dad was right.

These are my peers.

这些都是我的同龄人。

But I respect what they do, and they respect what I do,

因为我们各自的创举，

because they can do things, it's amazing what they can do.

我们互相尊重！

事实上，他们中有一位是安永的企业家， （安永公司在全球提供审计、税务、财务交易和咨询等服务）

In fact, one of them,

he was Ernst & Young's Entrepreneur of the Year for San Diego County,

还是圣地亚哥县的年度企业家，

所以，你从来都不知道你所见到的人是怎样的人。

so they're not -- you never know who you're dealing with.

We've all had some degree of fame.

我们都在各自的领域小有名气。

In fact, I've had so much success that I strangely always feel unworthy of.

事实上，我成功了好多次，

多到我都觉得我不配拥有这些成就。

I've had a patent, and that was cool, and we started a company,

我曾有过专利，这挺牛的，

我们还建立了一个公司，并不断地发展成业内最大的公司，

and it grew, and it became the biggest,

and then it went down, and then it became the biggest again,

后来，公司没落了，但很快就东山再起了，

却比之前艰难得多，之后，我们把公司卖了。

which is harder than the first time, and then we sold it,

后来，又再卖了一次。

and then we sold it again.

So I've had some success.

所以，我有过成功。最终，拥有了一切。

And in the end, when you've had all of these things,

那么，是什么在鞭策着我向前走呢？

what is it that continues to drive you?

正如我所之前提到过的，膝盖啊--之类的事情，

As I mentioned, the knee stuff and these things,

what is it that will punch you?

什么样的事情能促使你继续前进呢？

Because it's not just the mind.

不仅仅是思想。

是什么刺激你而使你有所行动，

What is it that will punch you and make you do something

and bring it to another level, and when you've had it all,

使你更上一层楼呢？你所拥有的一切，

sometimes, guys, they die on the vine with all of that talent,

会随着你的才华流逝而夭折，

而我们都曾有过自己的名声，

and one of the things we've had, all of us, is fame --

I think the best kind of fame, because you can take it off.

再好的名声也会消失。

我周游世界，

I've been all around the world,

and there will be a thousand kids crying out your name,

常常会有许多孩子呼喊我的名字，

and it's such a weird, visceral experience.

你会有一种难以言表的、发自肺腑的喜悦。

It's like, it's disorienting.

这种经历让人迷失方向。

And you get in a car, and you drive away,

你坐进车里，

and 10-minute drive, and you get out,

十分钟后，到了另外一个地方，

and no one gives a rat's who you are.

在那里，却没人知道你是何方神圣。（笑声）

(Laughter)

And it gives you that clarity of perspective of, man, I'm just me,

而这又会使你清楚地明白，

and popularity, what does that really mean again?

我只是我而已，

名气有什么意义呢？没多大意义。

Not much.

It's peer respect that drives us.

正是同辈间的尊重促使我们去做点什么。

That's the one thing that makes us do what we do.

我有过数十次的骨头损伤，

I've had over a dozen bones, this guy, over, eight, 10 concussions,

而这些人，也许都有过八次、十次骨头损伤，

to the point where it's comedy, right?

受伤太多，都快成喜剧了，对不？

It is actually comedy, they mess with him.

其实这就是喜剧，这里面的各种混乱就像戏剧一样。

(Laughter)

Next,

接下来，我想再讲一些更深涵义的东西，

and this is something deeper.

我往来于各地比赛的时候曾读过费因曼的传记，

I think I was on tour when I was reading one of the Feynman biographies.

是一本蓝色或是红色的书。

It was the red one or the blue one.

And he made this statement that was so profound to me.

他说过一些话，对我影响深远。

It was that the Nobel Prize was the tombstone on all great work,

他是这样说的：

诺贝尔奖是所有伟大工作的墓碑，

and it resonated because I had won 35 out of 36 contests

这句话让我很有共鸣， 11年中，我参加36场比赛，赢了35次，

that I'd entered over 11 years, and it made me bananas.

而这都快把我弄疯了。

In fact, winning isn't the word, I won it once.

事实上，胜利不是进行时，而是过去时。

The rest of the time, you're just defending,

在剩下的时间里，你只是卫冕。

然后，你就会活得像海龟一样，

and you get into this, turtle posture, you know?

Where you're not doing -- it usurped the joy of what I loved to do

什么也干不了。它篡夺了你所热爱事情的乐趣，

because I was no longer doing it to create and have fun,

因为，你永远都不是在为了创造和娱乐而做这件事，

and when it died out from under me,

而这种名声一旦消失，就会觉得非常的释然，

that was one of the most liberating things,

因为我又能创造了。

because I could create.

And look, I understand that I am on the very edge of preachy, here.

我知道，也许我听起来有点说教，

但我并不是来这里说教的。

I'm not here to do that.

It's just that I'm in front of a very privileged audience.

只是我现在所面对的观众都是不一般的人。

If you guys aren't already leaders in your community,

就算你们现在不是人群中的领袖，

you probably will be, and if there's anything I can give you

将来你们也会成为领袖，

that will transcend what I've gotten from skateboarding,

如果说我能用我从滑板中获得的感悟来感染你们的话，

the only things of meaning, I think, and of permanence,

那么我认为，唯一有意义的是就是坚持，

it's not fame, it's not all these things.

而不是名声，这些都没有意义。

What it is, is that there's an intrinsic value in creating something

真正有意义的是因为创造而去创造所固有的价值，

for the sake of creating it,

而更重要的是，

and better than that, because I'm 46 years old, or I'll be 46,

同志们，我都46岁了，或者说我马上都46岁了，

and how pathetic is that I'm still skateboarding, but there is --

如果我一把年纪了还只是在机械地玩滑板，那该有多可悲！

（笑声）滑板却让我看到一种美好，你能将自己的创造，

there is this beauty in dropping it into a community of your own making,

贡献给这个圈子，见证着它一步步地变得完善，

and seeing it dispersed, and seeing younger, more talented,

并看着更有天分或具备其他天赋的年轻人，

just different talent, take it to levels you can never imagine,

将其发展到你无法想象的程度，

because that lives on.

从而使其发扬光大，世代传承。谢谢！

So thank you for your time.

(Applause)

（掌声）

Kristina Holly: I have a question for you.

Krisztina Holly: 我想问你个问题。

(Applause)

你是成功地从自由式滑板渐渐进入了街头滑板的圈子，

So you've really reinvented yourself in the past, from freestyle to street,

但我听说，四年前你正式地退出了滑板圈，

and, I think it was about four years ago you officially retired.

对吗？ 那么下一步你要做什么呢？

Is that it? What's next?

Rodney Mullen: 好问题！

Rodney Mullen: That's a good question. KG: Something tells me it's not the end.

KH: 但貌似你还没有完全结束你的滑板事业。

RM: 是啊！ 每次当你觉得你在追求什么东西的时候，

RM: Yeah. Every time you think you've chased something down,

it's funny, no matter how good you are, and I know guys like this,

有趣的是，不管你有多么牛，

你都像在翻新一辆残破不堪的车一样，没有尽头，

it feels like you're polishing a turd, you know?

我就知道这样的人（笑声）

(Laughter)

我曾以为， 唯一能使这件毫无希望的事变得有希望的方法是

And I thought, the only way I can extend this

改变最基本的东西，

is to change something infrastructural.

And so that's what I proceeded to do, through a long story,

而我一直都是这样做的，这是一个很长很长的故事，

one of desperation, so if I do it, rather than talk about it,

一个充满绝望的故事，而我应该去做，而不是一直说。

if I do it, you'll be the first to know.

所以，如果我有所行动，我肯定最先让在座的各位知道。 KH: 那好吧，那我们不问了。

KG: All right, we won't ask you any more. RM: You'll get a text.

RM: 我会发短信告诉你的。

KH: （笑声）好的，谢谢你！ 演讲非常棒。（掌声） RM：谢谢大家！（掌声）

KG: Right, thank you, good job. RM: Thank you. Thank you.

（掌声）

(Applause)