T. Boone Pickens: Let's transform energy -- with natural gas

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Jeongyob Park ๊ฒ€ํ† : Young-ho Park
00:15
I'm a believer.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:17
I'm a believer in global warming,
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์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ตฌ ์˜จ๋‚œํ™”์˜ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๋ฏฟ๊ณ 
00:19
and my record is good
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ๋„
00:21
on the subject.
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๋‚จ์— ๋’ค๋–จ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:23
But my subject
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๋Š”
00:25
is national security.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
We have to get off of oil purchased
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์„์œ ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋งค๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
00:30
from the enemy.
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์ค‘๋‹จํ•ด์•ผ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
I'm talking about OPEC oil.
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์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ OPEC ์„์œ ๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:34
And let me take you back
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100๋…„ ์ „์ด์—ˆ๋˜
00:36
100 years
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1912๋…„์œผ๋กœ
00:38
to 1912.
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์ผ๋‹จ ๊ฑฐ์Šฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์ฃ .
00:41
You're probably thinking that was my birth year.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์•„๋งˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋•Œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ค์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ฃ .
00:44
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
00:46
It wasn't. It was 1928.
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์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ 1928๋…„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:49
But go back to 1912,
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์–ด์จŒ๋˜ 1912๋…„์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„ ๊ฐ€๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
00:51
100 years ago,
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100๋…„์ „์—
00:53
and look at that point
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜ํ•ด์žˆ๋˜
00:55
what we, our country, was faced with.
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์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด์ฃ .
00:58
It's the same energy question
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๊ทธ๋‹น์‹œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€
01:00
that you're looking at today,
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์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:02
but it's different sources of fuel.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ ์ž์ฒด๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ๋ž์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
01:05
A hundred years ago
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100๋…„ ์ „์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:07
we were looking at coal, of course,
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์„ํƒ„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
01:09
and we were looking at whale oil
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๊ณ ๋ž˜ ๊ธฐ๋ฆ„๊ณผ ์›์œ ๋ฅผ
01:11
and we were looking at crude oil.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
01:14
At that point,
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๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์—
01:16
we were looking for a fuel
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:18
that was cleaner,
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์ข€ ๋” ๊นจ๋—ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:20
it was cheaper,
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์ €๋ ดํ•œ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
01:22
and it wasn't ours though,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ
01:25
it was theirs.
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์ƒ์‚ฐ๋˜๋Š” ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:27
So at that point, 1912,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 1912๋…„์—
01:30
we selected crude oil over whale oil
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ ๋ž˜๊ธฐ๋ฆ„ ๋Œ€์‹  ์›์œ ๋ฅผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ํƒ„์„
01:33
and some more coal.
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์ข€ ๋” ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธธ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ์ฃ .
01:36
But as we moved on
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ 100๋…„์ด๋ผ๋Š”
01:38
to the period now, 100 years later,
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ๋ฅธ ์ง€๊ธˆ
01:41
we're back really
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ค‘๋Œ€ํ•œ
01:43
at another decision point.
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๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:45
What is the decision point?
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฐ์ •์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
01:47
It's what we're going to use
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ
01:49
in the future.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์ฃ .
01:51
So from here,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์— ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€
01:53
it's pretty clear to me,
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:55
we would prefer to have
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์ข€ ๋” ๊นจ๋—ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๋ฉฐ
01:57
cleaner, cheaper,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ƒ์‚ฐ๋˜๋Š”
01:59
domestic, ours --
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์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
02:02
and we have that, we have that --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
02:05
which is natural gas.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค์ฃ .
02:07
So here you are,
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์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„
02:09
that the cost of all this to the world
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„๋Š” ๋งค์ผ
02:13
is 89 million barrels of oil,
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์•ฝ 8์ฒœ9๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์˜
02:16
give or take a few barrels, every day.
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์˜ค์ผ์„ ์†Œ๋น„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:18
And the cost annually
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ ๋น„์šฉ์€
02:20
is three trillion dollars.
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3์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€์š”.
02:23
And one trillion of that
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๊ทธ์ค‘ 1์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š”
02:25
goes to OPEC.
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OPEC ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š”๋ฐ
02:27
That has got to be stopped.
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์ฃ .
02:30
Now if you look at the cost of OPEC,
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OPEC์— ์ง€๋ถˆํ•œ ๋น„์šฉ์€
02:33
it cost seven trillion dollars --
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7์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค --
02:36
on the Milken Institute study last year --
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์ž‘๋…„์— ๋ฐ€์ผ„ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ์˜ํ•˜๋ฉด
02:38
seven trillion dollars
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 1976๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€
02:40
since 1976,
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7์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ์„
02:42
is what we paid for oil from OPEC.
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OPEC์˜ ์„์œ ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์ผ์ง€์š”.
02:45
Now that includes the cost of military
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ตฐ์‚ฌ๋น„์™€
02:47
and the cost of the fuel both.
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์„์œ  ๊ตฌ๋งค๋น„์šฉ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•ฉ์นœ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
02:50
But it's the greatest transfer of wealth,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ธ๋ฅ˜์—ญ์‚ฌ์ƒ
02:55
from one group to another
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์ตœ๋Œ€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ๋ถ€(ๅฏŒ )๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์—์„œ
02:57
in the history of mankind.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ.
02:59
And it continues.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํƒœ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ๊ณ„์†๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:01
Now when you look
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์ž, ๋ˆ์ด ์–ด๋””์„œ ์–ด๋””๋กœ
03:03
at where is the transfer of wealth,
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์˜ฎ๊ฒจ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์ฃ .
03:05
you can see here
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ
03:07
that we have the arrows
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ํ™”์‚ดํ‘œ๊ฐ€
03:10
going into the Mid-East
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์ค‘๋™์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
and away from us.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
03:14
And with that,
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๊ทธ์™€ ๋™์‹œ์—
03:16
we have found ourselves
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€
03:18
to be the world's policemen.
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์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•ด์˜ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:20
We are policing the world,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜
03:22
and how are we doing that?
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:25
I know the response to this.
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ต์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
I would bet there aren't 10 percent of you in the room
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘์— ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ํ•ญ๊ณต๋ชจํ•จ์ด ๋ช‡๊ฐœ๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€
03:33
that know how many aircraft carriers there are in the world.
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์•„์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 10ํผ์„ผํŠธ๋„ ์•ˆ๋ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:38
Raise your hand if you think you know.
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์•„์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„์€ ์†๋“ค์–ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
03:41
There are 12.
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์ด 12๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:43
One is under construction by the Chinese
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ํ•œ๋Œ€๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ฑด์กฐ์ค‘์ด๊ณ 
03:45
and the other 11 belong to us.
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๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ 11๋Œ€๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:48
Why do we have 11 aircraft carriers?
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์™œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด 11๋Œ€๋‚˜ ๋˜๋Š” ํ•ญ๊ณต๋ชจํ•จ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
03:52
Do we have a corner on the market?
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€์š”?
03:55
Are we smarter than anybody else? I'm not sure.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
If you look at where they're located --
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ํ•ญ๊ณต๋ชจํ•จ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ณด์ฃ  --
04:00
and on this slide it's the red blobs on there --
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์ด ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋“œ์— ๋นจ๊ฐ„ ์ƒ‰ ์ ๋“ค๋กœ ํ‘œ์‹œ๋ผ ์žˆ์ฃ  --
04:03
there are five that are operating in the Mid-East,
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์ค‘๋™ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๋‹ค์„ฏ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
04:07
and the rest of them are in the United States.
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๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
They just move back to the Mid-East and those come back.
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์ด ํ•ญ๊ณต๋ชจํ•จ๋“ค์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์ค‘๋™์„ ์™”๋‹ค ๊ฐ”๋‹ค ํ•˜์ฃ .
04:13
So actually most of the 11 we have
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ 11์ฒ™์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด
04:16
are tied up in the Mid-East.
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์ค‘๋™์— ๋งค์—ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ์…ˆ์ด์ฃ .
04:19
Why? Why are they in the Mid-East?
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์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด๊นŒ์š”? ์™œ ํ•ญ๊ณต๋ชจํ•จ๋“ค์ด ์ค‘๋™์— ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
04:22
They're there to control,
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๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์„์œ ๋ฅผ ์šด์†กํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
04:24
keep the shipping lanes open
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์ฐจ์งˆ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ํ•ญ๋กœ๋ฅผ
04:26
and make oil available.
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๊ณ„์† ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์žˆ์ฃ .
04:28
And the United States uses about 20 million barrels a day,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€ ๋งค์ผ ์•ฝ 2์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์˜ ์˜ค์ผ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
04:32
which is about 25 percent of all the oil used
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์ด๋Š” ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ผ์ผ ์†Œ๋น„๋Ÿ‰์˜ ์•ฝ
04:36
everyday in the world.
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25ํผ์„ผํŠธ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€์š”.
04:39
And we're doing it with four percent of the population.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ์ธ๊ตฌ๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ 4ํผ์„ผํŠธ๋ฐ–์— ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
Somehow that doesn't seem right.
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์–ด๋”˜์ง€ ๋ญ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋์ฃ .
04:45
That's not sustainable.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์ฃ .
04:47
So where do we go from here?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
04:49
Does that continue?
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
04:51
Yes, it's going to continue.
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๋„ค, ๊ณ„์† ๊ทธ๋Ÿด๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
The slide you're looking at here
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋“œ๋Š”
04:55
is 1990 to 2040.
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1990๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 2040๋…„๊นŒ์ง€ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:57
Over that period
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์ด ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„๋™์•ˆ
04:59
you are going to double your demand.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ๋‘๋ฐฐ๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:02
And when you look at what we're using the oil for,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์„์œ ์˜
05:05
70 percent of it
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70ํผ์„ผํŠธ๋Š”
05:07
is used for transportation fuel.
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์šด์†ก์šฉ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์ง€์š”.
05:09
So when somebody says,
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์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
05:11
"Let's go more nuclear,
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"์›์ž๋ ฅ์„ ๋” ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค,
05:13
let's go wind, let's go solar,"
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ํ’๋ ฅ, ํƒœ์–‘์—ด์„ ์ด์šฉํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
05:16
fine; I'm for anything American,
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋˜์ง€
05:19
anything American.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์‚ฐ์ด๋ฉด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
But if you're going to do anything
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ˆ˜์ž…์„์œ ์˜
05:23
about the dependency on foreign oil,
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์˜์กด๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
05:26
you have to address transportation.
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์šด์†ก ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:28
So here we are
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 2์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์„
05:30
using 20 million barrels a day --
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์†Œ๋น„ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ 8๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
05:33
producing eight, importing 12,
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์ƒ์‚ฐํ•˜๊ณ  1์ฒœ2๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์€ ์ˆ˜์ž…ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:36
and from the 12,
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๊ทธ 1์ฒœ2๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์ค‘
05:38
five comes from OPEC.
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5๋ฐฑ๋งŒ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์€ OPEC ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์ž…์„ ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:43
When you look at the biggest user and the second largest user,
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์„์œ ์†Œ๋น„๋Ÿ‰ 1์œ„์™€ 2์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด
05:46
we use 20 million barrels
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 2์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ 
05:48
and the Chinese use 10.
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์ค‘๊ตญ์ด 1์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:50
The Chinese have a little bit better plan --
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์ค‘๊ตญ์˜ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ณ„ํš์€ ์ข€ ๋” ๋‚ณ์ฃ  --
05:54
or they have a plan;
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ผ๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
05:56
we have no plan.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€ ๊ณ„ํš์กฐ์ฐจ ์—†์ฃ .
05:58
In the history of America,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ์ „ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
06:00
we've never had an energy plan.
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์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ž€๊ฑธ ๊ฐ€์ ธ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์ฃ .
06:02
We don't even realize the resources
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
06:04
that we have available to us.
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์ž์›๋“ค๋„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:06
If you take the last 10 years
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ 10๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ์„
06:08
and bring forward,
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๋˜๋Œ์•„ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด
06:10
you've transferred to OPEC a trillion dollars.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” OPEC ์— 1์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ผ์ง€์š”.
06:14
If you go forward the next 10 years
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ํ–ฅํ›„ 10๋…„๋™์•ˆ์—
06:17
and cap the price of oil at 100 dollars a barrel,
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์„์œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด๋‹น ์ตœ๋Œ€ 100๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด๋„
06:20
you will pay 2.2 trillion.
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2.2์กฐ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์จ์•ผ ํ•˜์ฃ .
06:23
That's not sustainable either.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํƒœ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†๋  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ฃ .
06:25
But the days of cheap oil are over.
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๊ฐ’์‹ผ ์„์œ ์˜ ์‹œ๋Œ€๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:28
They're over.
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์™ผ์ „ํžˆ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐ”์ฃ .
06:30
They make it very clear to you,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:33
the Saudis do,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ๋“ค๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์šฐ๋””๋Š”
06:36
they have to have 94 dollars a barrel
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ์ดํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
06:39
to make their social commitments.
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๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด๋‹น 94๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
06:41
Now I had people in Washington last week told me,
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์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ์— ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ €ํ•œํ…Œ ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
06:45
he said, "The Saudis can produce the oil
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"์‚ฌ์šฐ๋””๊ฐ€ ์„์œ  1๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์„ ์ƒ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
06:48
for five dollars a barrel.
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๋“œ๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ์€ 5๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค" ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
06:50
That has nothing to do with it.
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์„์œ  ์ƒ์‚ฐ๋น„์™€ ์„์œ ๊ฐ’์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์ฃ .
06:52
It's what they have to pay for
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ์ดํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
06:54
is what we are going to pay for oil."
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๋“œ๋Š” ๋ˆ์ด ์ฆ‰ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์„์œ ๊ฐ’์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
06:56
There is no free market for oil.
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์„์œ ์—๋Š” ์ž์œ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด๋ž€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—†๊ณ ,
06:58
The oil is priced off the margin.
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๋งˆ์ง„๊ณผ ์ƒ๊ด€์—†์ด ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ์ฑ…์ •๋ผ์ฃ .
07:00
And the OPEC nations
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OPEC๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€
07:03
are the ones that price the oil.
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์„์œ  ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
So where are we headed from here?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
07:08
We're headed to natural gas.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋กœ ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:11
Natural gas will do everything
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ
07:13
we want it to do.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
07:15
It's 130 octane fuel.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ์˜ฅํƒ„๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ 130์ด๊ณ 
07:18
It's 25 percent cleaner than oil.
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์„์œ ๋ณด๋‹ค 25ํผ์„ผํŠธ๋‚˜ ๋” ์‹ธ์ฃ .
07:21
It's ours, we have an abundance of it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ํ’๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ž์›์ด๊ณ 
07:24
And it does not require a refinery.
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์ •์œ  ์‹œ์„ค๋„ ํ•„์š”์—†์ฃ .
07:27
It comes out of the ground at 130 octane.
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๋•…์—์„œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ 130์˜ฅํƒ„๊ฐ€๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ฃ .
07:29
Run it through the separator and you're ready to use it.
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๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ์— ํ†ต๊ณผ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
07:32
It's going to be very simple for us to use.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
07:35
It's going to be simple to accomplish this.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜์ฃ .
07:37
You're going to find, and I'll tell you in just a minute,
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์ž ์‹œํ›„์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ
07:39
what you're looking for to make it happen.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
07:42
But here you can look at the list.
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๋จผ์ € ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
07:45
Natural gas will fit all of those.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์กฐ๊ฑด์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋งŒ์กฑ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:48
It will replace or be able to be used for that.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ๊ธฐ์กด ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง์ ‘ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
07:52
It's for power generation, transportation,
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์ „๋ ฅ์ƒ์‚ฐ, ์šด์†ก์— ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
07:54
it's peaking fuel, it's all those.
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์ฒจ๋‘ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค ํ•ด๋‹น๋ผ์ฃ .
07:57
Do we have enough natural gas?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
08:00
Look at the bar on the left. It's 24 trillion.
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์™ผ์ชฝ ๋ง‰๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 24์กฐ ์ž…๋ฐฉ ํ”ผํŠธ์ฃ .
08:03
It's what we use a year.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋…„์— ์“ฐ๋Š” ์–‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
Go forward
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
08:07
and the estimates that you have
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์ด ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Ÿ‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ EIA์™€ ์—…๊ณ„์˜
08:09
from the EIA and onto the industry estimates --
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์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜๋Š” --
08:13
the industry knows what they're talking about --
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์—ฐ๋ฃŒ ์—…๊ณ„๋Š” ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ  --
08:15
we've got 4,000 trillion cubic feet
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4,000 ์กฐ ์ž…๋ฐฉ ํ”ผํŠธ์—
08:18
of natural gas that's available to us.
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๋‹ฌํ•˜์ฃ .
08:20
How does that translate
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์ด๋ฅผ ์„์œ  ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด๋กœ
08:22
to barrels of oil equivalent?
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ํ™˜์‚ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
08:24
It would be three times
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๊ทธ ์–‘์€ ์‚ฌ์šฐ๋””๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜๋Š”
08:26
what the Saudis claim they have.
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๋งค์žฅ๋Ÿ‰์˜ 3๋ฐฐ์— ๋‹ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
And they claim they have 250 billion barrels of oil,
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์‚ฌ์šฐ๋””๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋งค์žฅ๋Ÿ‰์ด 2์ฒœ5๋ฐฑ์–ต ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
08:31
which I do not believe.
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์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:33
I think it's probably 175 billion barrels.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ 1์ฒœ7๋ฐฑ5์‹ญ์–ต ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด ์ •๋„๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
08:38
But anyway, whether they say they're right or whatever,
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์–ด์จŒ๋˜ ์‚ฌ์šฐ๋””๊ฐ€ ๋งž๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฑด
08:41
we have plenty of natural gas.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์–‘์˜ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
So I have tried to target
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์šฉ๋„์— ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ
08:45
on where we use the natural gas.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ดค์ฃ .
08:47
And where I've targeted
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ˜• ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์— ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ
08:49
is on the heavy-duty trucks.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:51
There are eight million of them.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—” 8๋ฐฑ๋งŒ๋Œ€์˜ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:53
You take eight million trucks --
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8๋ฐฑ๋งŒ๋Œ€์˜
08:55
these are 18-wheelers --
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18๋ฅœ ๋Œ€ํ˜•ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์ด
08:57
and take them to natural gas,
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด
08:59
reduce carbon by 30 percent,
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ํƒ„์†Œ ๋ฐฐ์ถœ์„ 30ํผ์„ผํŠธ ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
09:02
it is cheaper
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์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๊ณ 
09:04
and it will cut our imports
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„์œ  ์ˆ˜์ž…๋Ÿ‰์„
09:07
three million barrels.
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3๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ฐฐ๋Ÿด์ด๋‚˜ ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ .
09:09
So you will cut 60 percent off of OPEC
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8๋ฐฑ๋งŒ๋Œ€์˜ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„
09:12
with eight million trucks.
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OPEC๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ˆ˜์ž…์„ 60% ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
09:14
There are 250 million vehicles in America.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋Š” 2์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ๋Œ€์˜ ์ฐจ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
So what you have
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ
09:19
is natural gas is the bridge fuel,
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๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋กœ
09:22
is the way I see it.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
I don't have to worry
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์ € ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚˜์ด์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
09:26
about the bridge to where at my age.
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๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฑด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•  ํ•„์š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
09:29
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:31
That's your concern.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฑฑ์ •๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:34
But when you look at the natural gas we have
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค ๋งค์žฅ๋Ÿ‰์„
09:36
it could very well be
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์ฐธ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋กœ
09:38
the bridge to natural gas,
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์ ํ•ฉํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:40
because you have plenty of natural gas.
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์šฐ๋ฆฐ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
09:43
But as I said, I'm for anything American.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์‚ฐ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:46
Now let me take you -- I've been a realist --
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์ €๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์ฃผ์˜์ž ์˜€์—ˆ์ฃ  --
09:49
I went from theorist early to realist.
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์ผ์ฐŒ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ก ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ํ˜„์‹ค์ฃผ์˜์ž๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
09:51
I'm back to theorist again.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ด๋ก ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋์ฃ .
09:53
If you look at the world,
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์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋Œ€๋ฅ™์˜
09:56
you have methane hydrates in the ocean
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์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ๋ฉ”ํƒ„ ํ•˜์ด๋“œ๋ ˆ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€
09:59
around every continent.
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๋งค์žฅ๋ผ ์žˆ์ฃ .
10:01
And here you can see methane,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฉ”ํƒ„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”
10:04
if that's the way you're going to go,
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๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:06
that there's plenty of methane --
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„์˜ ๋งค์žฅ๋Ÿ‰์€ ์•„์ฃผ ํ’๋ถ€ํ•˜์ฃ  --
10:08
natural gas is methane,
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ๋ฉ”ํƒ„์ด๊ณ 
10:10
methane and natural gas are interchangeable --
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„๊ณผ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๊ต์ฒดํ•ด์„œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
10:12
but if you decide
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
10:14
that you're going to use some methane --
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:16
and I'm gone, so it's up to you --
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ฃฝ์—ˆ์„ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์•Œ์•„์„œ ํ•˜์…”์•ผ์ฃ  --
10:18
but we do have
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋Ÿ‰์˜
10:20
plenty of methane hydrates.
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„ ํ•˜์ด๋“œ๋ ˆ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:23
So I think I've made my point
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์ €๋Š” ์™œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์›์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€
10:26
that we have to get on our own resources in America.
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๋ช…๋ฐฑํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:31
If we do --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด --
10:34
it's costing us a billion dollars a day for oil.
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ํ•˜์—ฌํŠผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10์–ต๋ถˆ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ฆ„์„ ์“ฐ์ง€๋งŒ
10:37
And yet, we have no energy plan.
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์•„์ง๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:40
So there's nothing going on
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด์ด
10:43
that impresses me
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๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ณ„ํš์—
10:46
in Washington on that plan,
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๋ณ„๋กœ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ๊ฒŒ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ 
10:49
other than I'm trying to focus
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๋‹ค๋งŒ 8๋ฐฑ๋งŒ๋Œ€์˜ 18๋ฅœ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์—๋งŒ
10:51
on that eight million 18-wheelers.
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:54
If we could do that,
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๋งŒ์ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:56
I think we would take our first step
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
10:58
to an energy plan.
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์ฒซ ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ๋ฐŸ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
If we did, we could see
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๋งŒ์ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
11:02
that our own resources are easier to use
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์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์›์„
11:05
than anybody can imagine.
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์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:07
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:09
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
11:17
Chris Anderson: Thanks for that.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:19
So from your point of view,
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ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ํ’๋ ฅ์—๋„ˆ์ง€์—
11:21
you had this great Pickens Plan
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๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ”ผ์ผ„์Šค ํ”Œ๋žœ์„
11:23
that was based on wind energy,
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๋งŒ๋“œ์…จ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•ด
11:26
and you abandoned it basically
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๊ฒฝ์ œ์  ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ณ€ํ•ด์„œ
11:28
because the economics changed.
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ
11:30
What happened?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋œ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
11:32
TBP: I lost 150 million dollars.
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TBP: ์ €๋Š” 1์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์†ํ•ด๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:34
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:36
That'll make you abandon something.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ๋ จ์ด์ฃ .
11:39
No, what happened to us, Chris,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ํ’๋ ฅ ์ƒ์‚ฐ๋น„๊ฐ€
11:42
is that power, it's priced off the margin.
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์ „๊ธฐ๊ฐ’์— ๋น„ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋น„์ŒŒ์–ด์š”.
11:48
And so the margin is natural gas.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค์˜ ๋งˆ์ง„์€ ํ’๋ ฅ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ฃ .
11:51
And at the time I went into the wind business,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ’๋ ฅ ์‚ฌ์—…์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์„๋•Œ
11:53
natural gas was nine dollars.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” 9๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ
11:55
Today it's two dollars and forty cents.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ 2๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ 40์„ผํŠธ์ด์ฃ .
11:58
You cannot do a wind deal
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ํ’๋ ฅ์‚ฌ์—…์€ 1000 ์ž…๋ฐฉ ํ”ผํŠธ๋‹น
12:00
under six dollars an MCF.
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6๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ดํ•˜๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:02
CA: So what happened was
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CA: ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ
12:04
that, through increased ability
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์ฑ„๊ตดํ•˜๋Š” ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด
12:08
to use fracking technology,
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๋„๋ฆฌ ๋ณด๊ธ‰๋˜๋ฉฐ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค์˜
12:10
the calculated reserves of natural gas kind of exploded
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์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค์˜ ์ถ”์ • ๋งค์žฅ๋Ÿ‰์ด ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ
12:13
and the price plummeted,
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๋Š˜์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ๊ธ‰๋ฝํ•˜๋ฉฐ
12:16
which made wind uncompetitive.
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ํ’๋ ฅ์ด ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ 
12:18
In a nutshell that's what happened?
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๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€์ถฉ ๋งž์„๊นŒ์š”?
12:20
TBP: That's what happened.
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TBP: ๊ทธ๋ง์ด ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:22
We found out that we could go to the source rock,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ํƒ„์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ์‰์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”
12:24
which were the carboniferous shales in the basins.
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๋ฐ˜์ธต์˜ ๊ทผ์›์•”์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์ฃ .
12:27
The first one was Barnett Shale in Texas
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค ๊ด‘์‚ฐ์€ ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋„ท ์‰์ผ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
12:30
and then the Marcellus up in the Northeast
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถ๋™์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๋งˆ์…€๋Ÿฌ์Šค,
12:33
across New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia;
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๋‰ด์š• ์ง€์—ญ, ํŽœ์‹ค๋ฒ ๋‹ˆ์•„, ์›จ์ŠคํŠธ ๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„
12:36
and Haynesville in Louisiana.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ฃจ์ด์ง€์• ๋‚˜์˜ ํ—ค์ธ์Šค๋นŒ๋กœ ํ™•์‚ฐ๋์ฃ .
12:38
This stuff is everywhere.
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์‰์ผ์€ ์–ด๋”œ๊ฐ€๋‚˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
12:40
We are overwhelmed with natural gas.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋„˜์ณ ๋‚˜์ฃ .
12:42
CA: And now you're a big investor in that and bringing that to market?
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CA: ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ๊ฐ€์Šค์— ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ•˜์…จ๊ณ  ์‹œ์žฅํ™” ์‹œํ‚ค์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
12:46
TBP: Well you say a big investor.
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TBP: ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ
12:48
It's my life.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ ์ธ์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:50
I'm a geologist, got out of school in '51,
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์ €๋Š” 51๋…„๋„์— ์ง€์งˆํ•™๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ•œ ํ›„
12:52
and I've been in the industry my entire life.
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ํ‰์ƒ์„ ์ด ์‚ฐ์—…์— ์ข…์‚ฌํ–ˆ์ฃ .
12:54
Now I do own stocks.
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์ฃผ์‹์€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
12:57
I'm not a big natural gas producer.
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์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค ์ƒ์‚ฐ์—…์ž๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
13:00
Somebody the other day said
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์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ
13:02
I was the second largest natural gas producer in the United States.
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ํฐ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค ์ƒ์‚ฐ์—…์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋Š”๋ฐ
13:04
Don't I wish.
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์‹ค์ง€๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ข‹์„๊นŒ์š”?
13:06
But no, I'm not. I own stocks.
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์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ฃผ์‹๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
13:09
But I also am in the fueling business.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
13:12
CA: But natural gas is a fossil fuel.
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CA: ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ํ™”์„ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
13:15
You burn it,
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ํƒœ์šฐ๋ฉด
13:17
you release CO2.
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์ด์‚ฐํ™”ํƒ„์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š”๋ฐ
13:19
So you believe in the threat of climate change.
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ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™” ์ดˆ๋ž˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์œผ์‹œ์ฃ .
13:23
Why doesn't that prospect
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
13:25
concern you?
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๊ฑฑ์ •๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์„ธ์š”?
13:27
TBP: Well you're going to have to use something.
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TBP: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
13:30
What do you have to replace it?
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๋ญ˜๋กœ ์„์œ ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
13:34
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:39
CA: No, no. The argument that it's a bridge fuel makes sense,
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CA: ์•„๋‡จ. ์—†์ฃ . ์ œ ๋ง์€ ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒด์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋กœ
13:42
because the amount of CO2 per unit of energy
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๋‹จ์œ„๋‹น ์ด์‚ฐํ™”ํƒ„์†Œ๊ฐ€
13:46
is lower than oil and coal, correct?
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๊ธฐ๋ฆ„์ด๋‚˜ ์„ํƒ„๋ณด๋‹ค ์ ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ , ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
13:49
And so everyone can be at least happy
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์„ํƒ„์ด๋‚˜ ์„์œ ์—์„œ
13:52
to see a shift from coal or oil to natural gas.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์— ๋งŒ์กฑํ•ด ํ•˜์ฃ .
13:55
But if that's it
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
13:57
and that becomes the reason
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์‹ ์žฌ์ƒ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๊ฐ€ ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ชป ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ 
13:59
that renewables don't get invested in,
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์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณผ๋•Œ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜
14:02
then, long-term, we're screwed anyway, right?
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์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:05
TBP: Well I'm not ready to give up,
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TBP: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์ €๋Š” ์ฒœ์—ฐ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:07
but Jim and I talked
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์ง์ด ๋– ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—
14:09
there as he left,
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์ง๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ , ์ œ๊ฐ€
14:11
and I said, "How do you feel about natural gas?"
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"์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์ฃ .
14:13
And he said, "Well it's a bridge fuel, is what it is."
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๊ทธ๋žฌ๋”๋‹ˆ "๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์ฃ "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹ตํ–ˆ์ฃ .
14:16
And I said, "Bridge to what?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์ฃ , "์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ ?
14:18
Where are we headed?"
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ์ฃ ?"
14:20
See but again, I told you, I don't have to worry with that.
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด ์ €์•ผ ๋ญ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
14:22
You all do.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •์„ ํ•˜์…”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:24
CA: But I don't think that's right, Boone.
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CA: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜๋„ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”.
14:26
I think you're a person who believes in your legacy.
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์ €๋Š” ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ํ›„์„ธ์— ์ข‹์€ ์œ ์‚ฐ์„ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑธ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:29
You've made the money you need.
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ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์žฌ์‚ฐ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋‹ค ๋งŒ๋“œ์…จ์ฃ .
14:31
You're one of the few people in a position
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ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ
14:34
to really swing the debate.
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์ขŒ์šฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทน์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ํ•œ๋ถ„ ์ด์‹œ์ฃ .
14:37
Do you support the idea of some kind of price on carbon?
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ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ํƒ„์†Œ๋ฐฐ์ถœ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ถ€๊ณผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€์ง€ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:40
Does that make sense?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์งํ•œ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
14:42
TBP: I don't like that
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TBP: ์ €๋Š” ๋ณ„๋กœ ์ข‹์•„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:44
because it ends up the government is going to run the program.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์€ ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•  ํ…๋ฐ
14:47
I can tell you it will be a failure.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์‹คํŒจํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋งˆ๋ จ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
14:49
The government is not successful
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ
14:52
on these things.
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์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ฃ .
14:54
They just aren't, it's a bad deal.
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์— ๋ฌด๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
14:57
Look at Solyndra, or whatever it was.
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Solyndra์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ€์ด์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”
15:00
I mean, that was told to be a bad idea 10 times,
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” 10๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋„˜๊ฒŒ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ๋„
15:02
they went ahead and did it anyway.
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๋“œ๋””์–ด ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ ์•ผ ๋ง์•˜์ฃ .
15:04
But that only blew out 500 million.
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๊ทธ์ผ๋กœ 5์–ต๋ถˆ์„ ๋‚ ๋ ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
15:07
I think it's closer to a billion.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์‹ญ์–ต๋ถˆ ์ •๋„๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:10
But Chris, I think where we're headed,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋ก 
15:13
the long-term,
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์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณผ๋•Œ
15:16
I don't mind going back to nuclear.
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์›์ž๋ ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:18
And I can tell you what the last page
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์•ž์œผ๋กœ 5๋…„์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฑธ๋ ค์„œ ์ž‘์„ฑํ• 
15:20
of the report that will take them five years to write
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๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์žฅ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ์ง€
15:22
will be.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:24
One, don't build a reformer on a fault.
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์ฒซ์งธ, ๋‹จ์ธต ์ง€์—ญ์— ๋ฆฌํฌ๋จธ๋ฅผ ์ง“์ง€ ๋งˆ๋ผ.
15:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
15:29
And number two,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ,
15:31
do not build a reformer on the ocean.
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๋ฐ”๋‹ค์— ๋ฆฌํฌ๋จธ๋ฅผ ์ง“์ง€ ๋งˆ๋ผ.
15:34
And now I think reformers are safe.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด์   ๋ฆฌํฌ๋จธ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:37
Move them inland
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๋ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋‚ด๋ฅ™์˜
15:39
and on very stable ground
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์•„์ฃผ ์•ˆ์ •ํ•œ ํ•œ ์ง€๋ฐ˜์—
15:43
and build the reformers.
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๋ฆฌํฌ๋จธ๋ฅผ ์„ค์น˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ผ์ฃ .
15:45
There isn't anything wrong with nuke.
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์›์ž๋ ฅ์ด ๋‚˜์œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„ ์—†์ฃ .
15:47
You're going to have to have energy. There is no question.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฐ์—๋Š” ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์ฃ .
15:49
You can't -- okay.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—” ์ „ํ˜€ ์ด๊ฒฌ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:51
CA: One of the questions from the audience
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CA: ์ฒญ์ค‘ ํ•œ๋ถ„์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:54
is, with fracking and the natural gas process,
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ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋„์ค‘, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ
15:57
what about the problem of methane leaking from that,
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„์ด ์œ ์ถœ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:00
methane being a worse global warming gas
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๋ฉ”ํƒ„์€ ์ด์‚ฐํ™”ํƒ„์†Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ง€๊ตฌ ์˜จ๋‚œํ™”์—
16:02
than CO2?
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๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ๋” ํฐ๋ฐ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:04
Is that a concern?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
16:06
TBP: Fracking? What is fracking?
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TBP: ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์ด์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญก๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:08
CA: Fracking.
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CA: ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:11
TBP: I'm teasing.
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TBP: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋†๋‹ด์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ๋ง์ด์˜ˆ์š”.
16:13
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
16:15
CA: We've got a little bit of accent incompatibility here, you know.
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CA: ์•„์‹œ์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์•ก์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์•ก์„ผํŠธ์™€ ์ข€ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:19
TBP: No, let me tell you,
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TBP: ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
16:21
I've told you what my age was.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ ๋‚˜์ด๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ์ฃ .
16:23
I got out of school in '51.
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์ €๋Š” 51๋…„๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ•˜๊ณ 
16:25
I witnessed my first frack job
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น ์ž‘์—…์„ 1953๋…„๋„์—
16:27
at border Texas in 1953.
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ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์„  ์ธ๊ทผ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:29
Fracking came out in '47,
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ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น ์ž์ฒด๋Š” 47๋…„์— ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘๋์—ˆ์ฃ .
16:31
and don't believe for a minute
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์ด
16:33
when our president gets up there
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์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ถ€์„œ๊ฐ€ 30๋…„์ „์—
16:35
and says the Department of Energy 30 years ago
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ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์„๋•Œ
16:38
developed fracking.
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ํ•œ๋งˆ๋””๋„ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ฃ .
16:40
I don't know what in the hell he's talking about.
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์ „ ๋„๋Œ€์ฒด ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:43
I mean seriously, the Department of Energy
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์ •๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ถ€์™€
16:45
did not have anything to do with fracking.
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ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚นํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„๋ฌด ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์ง€์š”.
16:48
The first frack job was in '47.
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ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์‹ค์‹œ๋๋˜๊ฑด 47๋…„์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
16:50
I saw my first one in '53.
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์ €๋Š” 53๋…„์— ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋ดค์ฃ .
16:53
I've fracked over 3,000 wells in my life.
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์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ 3์ฒœ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ๋„˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
16:56
Never had a problem
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋Œ€์ˆ˜์ธต์ด๋‚˜ ์–ด๋–ค๊ณณ์„
16:58
with messing up an aquifer or anything else.
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์˜ค์—ผ์‹œํ‚จ ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:00
Now the largest aquifer in North America
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๋ถ๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋Œ€์ˆ˜์ธต์€
17:03
is from Midland, Texas to the South Dakota border,
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ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค์˜ ๋ฏธ๋“œ๋žœ๋“œ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ์šฐ์Šค ๋‹ค์ฝ”ํƒ€ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๊นŒ์ง€
17:06
across eight states --
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8๊ฐœ์˜ ์ฃผ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
17:08
big aquifer:
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ํฌ๊ธฐ์˜ ๋Œ€์ˆ˜์ธต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:10
Ogallala, Triassic age.
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์˜ค๊ฐˆ๋ผ๋ผ์ธ๋ฐ์š”, ํŠธ๋ผ์ด์•„์Šค๊ธฐ์— ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์กŒ์ฃ .
17:13
There had to have been 800,000 wells fracked
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์˜คํด๋ผํ˜ธ๋งˆ, ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค, ์บ”์‚ฌ์Šค์˜
17:16
in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas
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๋Œ€์ˆ˜์ธต ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ 8์‹ญ๋งŒ๊ฐœ์˜
17:19
in that aquifer.
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์œ ์ •์„ ๋šซ๊ณ  ํ”„๋ž˜ํ‚น์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
17:21
There's no problems.
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์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
17:23
I don't understand why
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์ €๋Š” ์–ธ๋ก ์ด ์™œ ๋™๋ถ€ ํŽœ์‹ค๋ฒ ๋‹ˆ์•„๋งŒ
17:25
the media is focused on Eastern Pennsylvania.
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์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:29
CA: All right, so you don't support a carbon tax of any kind
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CA: ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€ ํƒ„์†Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ธ๊ธˆ์ด๋‚˜
17:32
or a price on carbon.
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ํƒ„์†Œ๋ฐฐ์ถœ๊ธˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์‹œ์ฃ .
17:34
Your picture then I guess
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€
17:37
of how the world eventually gets off fossil fuels
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์„ธ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ˜์‹ ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ
17:39
is through innovation ultimately,
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ํ™”์„์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
17:42
that we'll someday make solar and nuclear cost competitive?
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ํƒœ์–‘์—ด์ด๋‚˜ ์›์ž๋ ฅ์ด ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
17:47
TBP: Solar and wind, Jim and I agreed on that in 13 seconds.
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TBP: ํƒœ์–‘์—ด๊ณผ ํ’๋ ฅ์ด ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ง๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” 13์ดˆ๋งŒ์— ๋™์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:51
That is, it's going to be a small part,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์—ญํ• ์€ ์ž‘์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:53
because you can't rely on it.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜์กดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
17:55
CA: So how does the world get off fossil fuels?
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CA: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ™”์„ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚ ๊นŒ์š”?
17:57
TBP: How do we get there?
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TBP: ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
17:59
We have so much natural gas,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋Ÿ‰์˜ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
18:01
a day will not come
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ "์ž ์ด์ œ ๋”์ด์ƒ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์“ฐ์ง€ ๋ง™์‹œ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ 
18:03
where you say, "Well let's don't use that anymore."
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๋งํ•  ๋‚ ์€ ์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:05
You'll keep using it. It is the cleanest of all.
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๊ณ„์† ์“ฐ๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊นจ๋—ํ•œ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”
18:08
And if you look at California,
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์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„์—๋Š”
18:10
they use 2,500 buses.
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2์ฒœ5๋ฐฑ๋Œ€์˜ ๋ฒ„์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
18:12
LAMTA have been on natural gas
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๋กœ์Šค์•ค์ ค๋ ˆ์Šค ๋„์‹œ๊ตํ†ต๊ตญ์€ ์ง€๋‚œ 25๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ
18:16
for 25 years.
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์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ์˜ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
18:18
The Ft. Worth T
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LA์˜ ํ› ํŠธ ์›Œ์Šค ๊ตํ†ต๊ตญ์€
18:20
has been on it for 25 years.
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์ง€๋‚œ 25๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ์˜ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
18:22
Why? Air quality was the reason they used natural gas
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์™œ๊ทธ๋Ÿด๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ณต๊ธฐ์˜ ์งˆ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
18:25
and got away from diesel.
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๋””์ ค ๋Œ€์‹  ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
18:27
Why are all the trash trucks today in Southern California
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์™œ ๋‚จ๋ถ€ ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ
18:29
on natural gas?
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์ฒญ์†Œ์ฐจ๋“ค์ด ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
18:31
It's because of air quality.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ณต๊ธฐ์˜ ์งˆ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
I know what you're telling me, and I'm not disagreeing with you.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์”จ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์”€์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค - ์ œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์”จ์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:36
How in the hell can we get off the natural gas at some point?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋Š ์‹œ์ ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒœ์—ฐ ๊ฐ€์Šค์— ์˜์กดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊ฐ€๋Š”
18:39
And I say, that is your problem.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ๋ฌธ์ œ์ฃ .
18:42
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
18:44
CA: All right,
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CA: ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:46
so it's the bridge fuel.
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ํ•˜์—ฌํŠผ ๊ฐ€์Šค๋Š” ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
18:48
What is at the other end of that bridge
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๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋‚œ ํ›„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ
18:50
is for this audience to figure out.
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ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค์˜ ๊ณผ์ œ๊ตฐ์š”.
18:52
If someone comes to you with a plan
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๋งŒ์ผ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…์ด ๋ ๋งŒํ•œ
18:54
that really looks like it might be part of this solution,
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๊ณ„ํš์„ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜์€
18:56
are you ready to invest in those technologies,
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๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ์ง€์š”?
18:59
even if they aren't maximized for profits,
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๊ทธ ํˆฌ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ตœ๋Œ€์˜ ์ด์œค์ด ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„
19:01
they might be maximized for the future health of the planet?
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํˆฌ์žํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
19:04
TBP: I lost 150 million on the wind, okay.
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TBP: ์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ํ’๋ ฅ์— 1์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ๋ถˆ์„ ๋‚ ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:07
Yeah, sure, I'm game for it.
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ํˆฌ์ž๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:10
Because, again,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜
19:13
I'm trying to get energy solved for America.
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์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
19:17
And anything American
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉด
19:20
will work for me.
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:22
CA: Boone, I really, really appreciate you coming here,
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CA: ๋ถ„ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚˜์™€ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
19:24
engaging in this conversation.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ ๋‚˜๋ˆ  ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:26
I think there's a lot of people who will want to engage with you.
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๊ฐ•์—ฐ ํ›„ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ํšŒ์žฅ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๋ง์”€์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:29
And that was a real gift you gave this audience.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:31
Thank you so much. (TBP: You bet, Chris. Thank you.)
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค (TBP: ์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค)
19:34
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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