Trevor Aaronson: How this FBI strategy is actually creating US-based terrorists

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2015-06-04 ใƒป TED


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Trevor Aaronson: How this FBI strategy is actually creating US-based terrorists

164,088 views ใƒป 2015-06-04

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Jihyeon J. Kim ๊ฒ€ํ† : chang bong jin
00:13
The FBI is responsible for more terrorism plots
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FBI๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์–ด๋Š ์กฐ์ง๋ณด๋‹ค๋„ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ์Œ๋ชจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:15
in the United States
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than any other organization.
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More than al Qaeda,
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์•Œ ์นด์—๋‹ค, ์•Œ ์ƒค๋ฐฅ, IS๋ณด๋‹ค ๋”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
00:21
more than al Shabaab,
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more than the Islamic State,
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00:24
more than all of them combined.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
This isn't likely how you think about the FBI.
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์•„๋งˆ FBI๋ฅผ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:30
You probably think of FBI agents gunning down bad guys like John Dillinger,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์•„๋งˆ ์กด ๋”œ๋ฆฐ์ €๊ฐ™์€ ์•…๋‹น์„ ์†Œํƒ•ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
๋ถ€ํŒจํ•œ ์ •์น˜์ธ์„ ์ฒดํฌํ•˜๋Š” FBI ์š”์›์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:34
or arresting corrupt politicians.
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00:37
After the 9/11 terrorist attacks,
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911 ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ์ดํ›„๋กœ FBI๋Š” ํญ๋ ฅ๋ฐฐ๋‚˜ ๋ถ€ํŒจํ•œ ์ •์น˜์ธ์€
00:38
the FBI became less concerned
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with gangsters and crooked elected officials.
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
The new target became terrorists,
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ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ 
00:45
and the pursuit of terrorists has consumed the FBI.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ถ”์ ํ•˜๋Š๋ผ FBI๊ฐ€ ์˜จ ํž˜์„ ์†Œ์ง„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:48
Every year, the Bureau spends 3.3 billion dollars
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๋งค๋…„ FBI๋Š” 33์–ต๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์จ์„œ
00:51
on domestic counterterrorism activities.
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๊ตญ๋‚ด ๋ฐ˜ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ํ™œ๋™์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:54
Compare than to just 2.6 billion dollars combined for organized crime,
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26์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์“ด ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
๋ฒ”์ฃ„์กฐ์ง, ๊ธˆ์œต์‚ฌ๊ธฐ, ๊ณต๊ณต ๋ถ€ํŒจ, ๋ชจ๋“  ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ฒ”์ฃ„ ํ–‰์œ„๋ฅผ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:57
financial fraud, public corruption
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00:59
and all other types of traditional criminal activity.
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01:02
I've spent years pouring through the case files
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธฐ์†Œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
of terrorism prosecutions in the United States,
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01:07
and I've come to the conclusion that the FBI
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” FBI๊ฐ€ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์„ ์žก๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”
01:10
is much better at creating terrorists than it is at catching terrorists.
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์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๋ก  ๋‚ด๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
911 ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ์ดํ›„ 14๋…„๊ฐ„
01:15
In the 14 years since 9/11,
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you can count about six real terrorist attacks in the United States.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์‹ค์ œ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ๊ฑด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:20
These include the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013,
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2013๋…„ ๋ณด์Šคํ„ด ๋งˆ๋ผํ†ค ํญ๋ฐœ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
as well as failed attacks,
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๋ฏˆ๋ก  ์‹คํŒจํ•œ ์‹œ๋„๊นŒ์ง€ ํฌํ•จํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
01:25
such as the time when a man named Faisal Shahzad
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ํŽ˜์ด์ ˆ ์ƒค์ž๋“œ๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
01:27
tried to deliver a car bomb to Times Square.
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ํƒ€์ž„ ๊ด‘์žฅ์— ์ž๋™์ฐจ ํญํƒ„์„ ์‹œ๋„ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:30
In those same 14 years,
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๊ทธ 14๋…„๊ฐ„
01:32
the Bureau, however, has bragged
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FBI๋Š” ์ˆ˜ ์‹ญ๊ฑด์˜ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์ €์ง€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋– ๋ฒŒ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
about how it's foiled dozens of terrorism plots.
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In all, the FBI has arrested more than 175 people
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๋‹ค ํ•ด์„œ FBI๋Š” 175๋ช… ์ด์ƒ ์ฒดํฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
in aggressive, undercover conterterrorism stings.
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๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ๋ฐ˜ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ์ž ๋ณต ์ž‘์ „์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ค˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
These operations, which are usually led by an informant,
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์ด ์ž‘์ „๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ์ •๋ณด์›์— ์˜ํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š”๋ฐ
01:47
provide the means and opportunity,
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๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๊ณผ ๊ธฐํšŒ, ์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ์—๋Š” ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
and sometimes even the idea,
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for mentally ill and economically desperate people
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์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํž˜๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
01:54
to become what we now term terrorists.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์ด๋ผ ์ด๋ฆ„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋˜๋„๋ก ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:58
After 9/11, the FBI was given an edict:
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911 ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ์ดํ›„ FBI๋Š” ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:00
never again.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ณธํ† ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
Never another attack on American soil.
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02:04
FBI agents were told to find terrorists before they struck.
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FBI์š”์›๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ์ „์— ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์„ ๋จผ์ € ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:07
To do this, agents recruited a network of more than 15,000 informants nationwide,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์ „๊ตญ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ5์ฒœ๋ช…์˜ ์ •๋ณด์›์„ ๋ชจ์ง‘ํ•ด์„œ
02:12
all looking for anyone who might be dangerous.
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์œ„ํ—˜์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์š”์ฃผ์˜ ์ธ๋ฌผ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:15
An informant can earn 100,000 dollars or more
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์ •๋ณด์› ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด FBI์— ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๊ณต๊ฒฉ ํ•œ ๊ฑด์„ ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
02:17
for every terrorism case they bring to the FBI.
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10๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์„ ๋ฒŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:20
That's right, the FBI is paying mostly criminals and con men
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. FBI๊ฐ€ ๋ฒ”์ฃ„์ž๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
02:24
six figures to spy on communities in the United States,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ๋‚ด ์ง€์—ญ๋“ค์„ ์—ผํƒํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์–ต๋‹จ์œ„ ์•ก์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ง€๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
but mostly Muslim American communities.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋ฌด์Šฌ๋ฆผ๊ณ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ์‚ดํ•๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:30
These informants nab people like Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif
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์ด ์ •๋ณด์›๋“ค์€ ์•„๋ถ€ ์นผ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ์••๋‘˜-๋ผํ‹ฐํ”„์™€ ์™ˆ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌด์žํžˆ๋“œ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋‚š์•„์ฑ•๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:33
and Walli Mujahidh.
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02:35
Both are mentally ill.
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๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
02:36
Abdul-Latif had a history of huffing gasoline and attempting suicide.
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์••๋‘˜-๋ผํ‹ฐํ”„๋Š” ํœ˜๋ฐœ์œ  ํก์ž…๊ณผ ์ž์‚ด ์ด๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:40
Mujahidh had schizoaffective disorder,
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๋ฌด์žํžˆ๋“œ๋Š” ์ •์‹ ๋ถ„์—ด์ฆ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
02:42
he had trouble distinguishing between reality and fantasy.
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ํ˜„์‹ค๊ณผ ๋ง์ƒ์„ ๊ตฌ๋ณ„ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:45
In 2012, the FBI arrested these two men
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2012๋…„์— FBI๋Š” ์ด ๋‘˜์„ ์ฒดํฌํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
02:48
for conspiring to attack a military recruiting station outside Seattle
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์‹œ์• ํ‹€ ์™ธ๊ณฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตฐ์‚ฌํ›ˆ๋ จ ์‹œ์„ค์„ ๋ฌด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ ,
02:52
with weapons provided, of course, by the FBI.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  FBI๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ์š”, ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์Œ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๊พธ๋ช„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
The FBI's informant was Robert Childs,
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FBI์ •๋ณด์›์€ ๋กœ๋ฒ„ํŠธ ์ฑ ์ผ์ฆˆ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ
02:59
a convicted rapist and child molester
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๊ธฐ์†Œ๋œ ๊ฐ•๊ฐ„๋ฒ”์ด์ž ์•„๋™ํ•™๋Œ€๋ฒ”์œผ๋กœ
03:01
who was paid 90,000 dollars for his work on the case.
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๊ณ ๋ฐœ๊ฑด์œผ๋กœ 9๋งŒ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:04
This isn't an outlier.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋“œ๋ฌธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
In 2009, an FBI informant who had fled Pakistan on murder charges
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2009๋…„์— ์‚ด์ธํ˜์˜๋กœ ํŒŒํ‚ค์Šคํƒ„์œผ๋กœ ๋„๋ง๊ฐ„ FBI ์ •๋ณด์›์€
03:09
led four men in a plot to bomb synagogues in the Bronx.
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๋ธŒ๋กฑํฌ์Šค ํšŒ๋‹น ํญํƒ„ ๊ณ„ํš์œผ๋กœ ๋„ค ๋ช…์„ ๊ณ ๋ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:13
The lead defendant was James Cromitie,
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์ฃผ ํ”ผ๊ณ ์ธ์€ ์ œ์ž„์Šค ํฌ๋กœ๋ฏธํ‹ฐ๋กœ
03:15
a broke Walmart employee with a history of mental problems.
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์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด์ผํ‘ผ์˜ ์›”๋งˆํŠธ ์ง์›์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
And the informant had offered him 250,000 dollars
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์ •๋ณด์›์ด ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ณ„ํš์— ๊ฐ€๋‹ดํ•˜๋ฉด
03:21
if he participated in that plot.
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25๋งŒ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ œ์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
There are many more examples.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค์ด ๋” ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
Today, The Intercept published my new story
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์ธํ„ฐ์…‰ํŠธ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ๋ฃจ๋œ ํƒํŒŒ์˜ ๋ฐ˜ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ํ’์žํ•˜๋Š”
03:28
about a counterterrorism sting in Tampa involving Sami Osmakac,
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์ œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ถœํŒํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
03:32
a young man who was living near Tampa, Florida.
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์ฃผ ํƒํŒŒ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ Š์€์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:35
Osmakac also had schizoaffective disorder.
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์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๋„ ์ •์‹ ๋ถ„์—ด์ฆ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
He too was broke,
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๊ทธ๋„ ๋ˆ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ 
03:38
and he had no connections to international terrorist groups.
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๊ตญ์ œ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ์กฐ์ง๊ณผ ์•„๋ฌด ์—ฐ๊ด€์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:41
Nonetheless,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ๋„ FBI์ •๋ณด์›์ด ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง์—…๊ณผ ๋ˆ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ 
03:42
an FBI informant gave him a job, handed him money,
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03:46
introduced him to an undercover agent posing as a terrorist,
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์ž ๋ณต์ค‘์ธ ์š”์›์—๊ฒŒ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ”๊ณ 
03:49
and lured him in a plot to bomb an Irish bar.
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์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ์ธ ์ˆ ์ง‘ ํญํƒ„ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:52
But here's what's interesting:
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
03:54
The lead undercover agent --
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์„ ์ž„ ์ž ๋ณต์š”์›์ด,
03:56
you can see him in this picture with his face blurred --
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์˜ ํ๋ฆฟํ•œ ์–ผ๊ตด์ด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
would go back to the Tampa field office with his recording equipment on.
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ํƒํŒŒ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ๋…น์Œ์žฅ๋น„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
Behind closed doors,
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๋ฐ€์‹ค์—์„œ FBI์š”์›๋“ค์ด ์งœ๊ณ  ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ธ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:03
FBI agents admitted that what they were doing was farcical.
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04:06
A federal judge doesn't want you to hear about these conversations.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์—ฐ๋ฐฉ ํŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์›์น˜ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
He sealed the transcripts and placed them under a protective order
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋…น์ทจ๋ก์„ ๋ด‰์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณด์•ˆ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋‚ด๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:13
in an attempt to prevent someone like me from doing something like this.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ €๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ• ๊นŒ๋ด ๊ทธ๋žฌ์ฃ .
04:17
Behind closed doors, the lead agent,
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๋ฐ€์‹ค์—์„œ ์„ ์ž„ ์š”์›๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์‚ฌ๋ฐ˜์žฅ์ด
04:19
the squad supervisor,
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04:20
described their would-be terrorist
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์˜ˆ๋น„ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ "ํ• ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๋œ ๋–จ์–ด์ง„ ๋ฉ์ฒญ์ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ‘œํ˜„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
as a "retarded fool who didn't have a pot to piss in."
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04:25
They described his terrorist ambitions
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ์˜ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ ๊ณ„ํš์„
์‹œ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชฝ์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:27
as wishy-washy and a pipe dream scenario.
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04:30
But that didn't stop the FBI.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ FBI๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
They provided Sami Osmakac everything he needed.
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:36
They gave him a car bomb, they gave him an AK-47,
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์ž๋™์ฐจ ํญํŒŒ์žฅ์น˜, AK-47์ด์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:39
they helped him make a so-called martyrdom video,
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์†Œ์œ„ ์ˆœ๊ต ์˜์ƒ์„ ์ฐ๋„๋ก ๋•๊ณ 
04:42
and they even gave him money for a taxi cab
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ํƒ์‹œ ์š”๊ธˆ๋„ ์ค˜์„œ
04:44
so that he could get to where they wanted him to go.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:48
As they were working the sting,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ผ์„ ๊พธ๋ฏธ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
04:49
the squad supervisor tells his agents he wanted a Hollywood ending.
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์ˆ˜์‚ฌ๋ฐ˜์žฅ์€ ์š”์›๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ—๋ฆฌ์šฐ๋“œ์‹ ๊ฒฐ๋ง์„ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:54
And he got a Hollywood ending.
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ํ—๋ฆฌ์šฐ๋“œ์‹ ๊ฒฐ๋ง์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:57
When Sami Osmakac attempted to deliver what he thought
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์ž๋™์ฐจ ํญํŒŒ์žฅ์น˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„
04:59
was a car bomb,
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๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
05:00
he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 40 years in prison.
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์ฒดํฌ, ๊ธฐ์†Œ๋˜์–ด 40๋…„ ํ˜•์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:05
Sami Osmakac isn't alone.
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:08
He's one of more than 175 so-called terrorists,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์†Œ์œ„ 175๋ช…๋„ ๋” ๋˜๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ” ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์œผ๋กœ
05:10
for whom the FBI has created Hollywood endings.
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FBI๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ํ—๋ฆฌ์šฐ๋“œ์‹ ๊ฒฐ๋ง์„ ์•ˆ๊ฒจ์ค€ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:15
U.S. government officials call this the War on Terror.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ์™€์˜ ์ „์Ÿ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ฃ .
05:18
It's really just theater,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ทน ๋ฌด๋Œ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:20
a national security theater,
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ๋ณด ์—ฐ๊ทน์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
with mentally ill men like Sami Osmakac
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๊ฐ™์€ ์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘์ž๊ฐ€
05:25
unwitting actors in a carefully choreographed production
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FBI๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์ •๊ตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์ƒ‰๋œ ์—ฐ์ถœ์—์„œ ์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š”
05:28
brought to you by the FBI.
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ด์ฃ .
05:30
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:31
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
ํ†ฐ ๋ผ์ผ๋ฆฌ: ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ๋ž„ํ•œ ๋น„ํŒ์ด์ž
05:41
Tom Rielly: So, those are some pretty strong accusations,
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05:44
pretty strong charges.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๋น„๋‚œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:47
How can you back this up?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์˜ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:48
Trevor Aaronson: My research began in 2010
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ํŠธ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„ ์•„๋ก ์Šจ: ์ด ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋Š” 2010๋…„์— ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
05:50
when I received a grant from the Investigative Reporting Program
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U.C ๋ฒ„ํด๋ฆฌ์˜ ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋ณด๊ณ  ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋น„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:53
at U.C. Berkeley,
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์—ฐ๊ตฌ ์กฐ๊ต์™€ ์ €๋Š” 911ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ์ดํ›„ 10๋…„๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๊ธฐ์†Œ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์˜
05:54
and a research assistant and I
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05:56
put together a database of all terrorism prosecutions
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05:58
at the time during the first decade after 9/11.
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๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:01
And we used the court file to find out whether
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฒ•์ • ๊ธฐ๋ก์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ 
06:04
the defendants had any connections to international terrorist groups,
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ํ”ผ๊ณ ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๊ตญ์ œ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ์กฐ์ง๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ด€์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€
06:07
whether an informant was used,
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์ •๋ณด์›์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€
06:09
and whether the informant played the role of an agent provocateur
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๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด์›์ด ์š”์› ๊ณต์ž‘์›์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•ด์„œ
06:12
by providing the means and opportunity.
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๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๊ณผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:14
And we submitted that to the FBI
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ FBI์— ์ œ์ถœํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
06:15
and we asked them to respond to our database.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค์— ์‘๋‹ตํ•˜๋„๋ก ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:18
If they believed there were any errors,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜ค๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
06:20
we asked them to tell us what they were and we'd go back and check
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๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์กฐ์‚ฌ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐ˜๋ฐ•๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
and they never challenged any of our findings.
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์žก์ง€๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์™€ ์ œ ์ฑ…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:25
Later, I used that data in a magazine article
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06:27
and later in my book,
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06:28
and on appearances on places like CBS and NPR,
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CBS์™€ NPR๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์—๋„ ์ถœํ˜„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:31
they were offered that opportunity again
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:33
to say, "Trevor Aaronson's findings are wrong."
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"ํŠธ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„ ์•„๋ก ์Šจ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋Š” ์ž˜๋ชป๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
06:35
And they've never come forward and said,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋‚˜์„œ์„œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์งˆ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:37
"These are the problems with those findings."
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"์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์˜ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
์ดํ›„ ์ •๋ณด๋Š” ์ธ๊ถŒ๊ฐ์‹œ๋‹จ์ฒด๊ฐ€
06:39
So the data has since been used by groups like Human Rights Watch
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06:42
on its recent report on these types of sting operations.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ž‘์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ์— ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋„ FBI๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์„ ์žก๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:45
And so far, the FBI has never really responded
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06:47
to these charges that it's really not catching terrorists
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์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘์ž๋ฅผ ์žก์•„์„œ
06:51
so much as it's catching mentally ill people
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ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊พธ๋ฉฐ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š”
06:53
that it can dress up as terrorists in these types of sting operations.
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๋น„๋‚œ์— ๋Œ€์‘์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:57
TR: So The Intercept is that new investigative journalism website,
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ํ†ฐ: ์ธํ„ฐ์…‰ํŠธ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์กฐ์‚ฌ์ „๋ฌธ ์–ธ๋ก  ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ
07:01
that's cofounded by Glenn Greenwald.
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๊ธ€๋ Œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ์›”๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ†ต ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:03
Tell us about your article and why there.
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๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ๊ณณ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
07:06
TA: The Intercept seemed to be the most logical place for this
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ํŠธ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„: ์ธํ„ฐ์…‰ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ ๊ฒฉ์ธ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•œ ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:09
because my article is really leveraging the fact that
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์ œ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊ทน๋Œ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
07:12
a source had leaked to me transcripts of these
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์‚ฌ์ ์ธ FBI ๋Œ€ํ™” ๋…น์ทจ๋ก์ด ์œ ์ถœ๋˜์–ด ์ƒ๊ธด ์ผ์ธ๋ฐ
07:15
private FBI conversations that a federal judge had sealed
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ ์ถœ๋  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์ž…๋ฒ• ์ „๋žต์—
07:18
based on the government's claim that their release
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์น˜๋ช…์ ์ธ ํ”ผํ•ด๋ฅผ ์ž…ํž ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์ฃผ์žฅ์— ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํ•ด
07:20
would irreparably damage the U.S. government's
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์—ฐ๋ฐฉํŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ€๋กœ ๋ด‰์ธํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:22
law enforcement strategy.
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07:24
So a place like The Intercept was set up to protect journalists
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์ธํ„ฐ์…‰ํŠธ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์ด ์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์„ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ 
07:27
and publish their work
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•œ ์‚ฌ์•ˆ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃฐ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ
07:28
when they're dealing with very sensitive matters like this.
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์ถœํŒํ•˜๋„๋ก ์„ค๋ฆฝ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:31
So my story in The Intercept, which was just published today,
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์ถœํŒ๋œ ์ธํ„ฐ์…‰ํŠธ์˜ ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š”
07:34
tells the story of how Sami Osmakac was set up in this FBI sting
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ FBI ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”๋Š”์ง€
07:37
and goes into much greater detail.
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๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋‚˜์™€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:39
In this talk, I could only highlight the things that they said,
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์ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:42
such as calling him a "retarded fool."
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"๋œ ๋–จ์–ด์ง„ ๋ฉ์ฒญ์ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด์š”.
07:44
But it was much more elaborate,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๊ต๋ฌ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:45
they went to great lengths to put money in Sami Osmakac's hands,
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์‚ฌ๋ฏธ ์˜ค์Šค๋งˆ์นด์‹œ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ฅ์–ด ์ฃผ์–ด
07:49
which he then used to purchase weapons from the undercover agent.
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์ž ๋ณต ์š”์›์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ฌด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธด ๊ณผ์ •์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
When he went to trial,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์žฌํŒ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๋•Œ
07:53
the central piece of evidence was that he paid for these weapons,
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์ด ๋ฌด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ•œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€
07:56
when in truth, these transcripts show how the FBI orchestrated
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ด ๋…น์ทจ๋ก์ด FBI๊ฐ€ ์ •์‹ ๋ณ‘์ž ๋ฌด์ผํ‘ผ์ด
07:59
someone who was essentially mentally ill and broke
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๋ˆ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋ฌด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ•ด์„œ
08:01
to get money to then pay for weapons
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08:03
that they could then charge him in a conspiracy for.
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์Œ๋ชจํ˜์˜๋กœ ๊ธฐ์†Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๊พธ๋ช„๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ†ฐ: ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
TR: One final question.
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08:08
Less than 10 days ago,
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์—ดํ˜ ์ „์—
08:10
the FBI arrested some potential ISIS suspects in Brooklyn,
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FBI๊ฐ€ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ISIS ์šฉ์˜์ž๋“ค์„ ๋ธŒ๋ฃจํด๋ฆฐ์—์„œ ์ฒดํฌํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
08:13
saying that they might be headed to Syria,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์•„๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
and were those real, or examples of more of the same?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง„์งœ์ผ๊นŒ์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ์˜ˆ์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
08:19
TA: Well so far, we only know what's come out in the court file,
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ํŠธ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„: ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ฒ•์ • ๊ธฐ๋ก์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ ์•Œ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:22
but they seem to suggest it's another example of the same.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์ž‘์ „์€ ๊ฐ™์€ ํŠน์ง•์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:25
These types of sting operations have moved from flavor to flavor.
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08:28
So initially it was al Qaeda plots,
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์•Œ์นด์—๋‹ค ๊ณ„ํš์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
08:30
and now the Islamic State is the current flavor.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ IS๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ฃผ๋ฅ˜์ธ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์—์„œ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ์†Œ๋œ ์„ธ ๋ช…์ด
08:33
What's worth noting about that case is that the three men that were charged
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08:36
only began the plot to go to Syria
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FBI์ •๋ณด์›์ด ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•œ ์ดํ›„์—
08:38
after the introduction of the FBI informant,
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์‹œ๋ฆฌ์•„์— ๊ฐ€๋ ค๋Š” ๊ณ„ํš์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:40
and in fact, the FBI informant had helped them with the travel documents
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, FBI๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์—ฌํ–‰์„œ๋ฅ˜๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:44
that they needed.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์—์„œ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜์ „์€
08:45
In kind of a comical turn in that particular case,
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08:47
one of the defendant's mother had found out
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ํ”ผ๊ณ ์ธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์•„๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ ค๋Š” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
08:49
that he was interested in going to Syria and had hid his passport.
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๊ทธ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์—ฌ๊ถŒ์„ ์ˆจ๊ฒจ ๋’€์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ•ญ์— ๊ฐ”์—ˆ์–ด๋„
08:53
So it's unclear that even if he had showed up at the airport,
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์–ด๋”œ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์‹ค์น˜ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
that he ever could have gone anywhere.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— IS์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:57
So yes, there are people who might be interested in joining the Islamic State
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09:01
in the United States,
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ํญ๋ ฅ์„ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š”์ง€
09:02
and those are people that the United States government should be looking at
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์—์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋‚˜์˜จ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๋กœ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ
09:06
to see if they're interested in violence here.
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FBI๊ฐ€ ์ด๋“ค์˜ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์•„ํ–‰์„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:08
In this particular case, given the evidence that's so far come out,
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09:11
it suggests the FBI made it possible for these guys
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09:13
to move along in a plan to go to Syria
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์• ์ดˆ์— ๊ทธ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์—๋„ ๋ชป ๊ฐˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„์š”.
09:15
when they were never close to that in the first place.
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ํ†ฐ: ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋†€๋ž๊ตฐ์š”. ํŠธ๋ ˆ๋ฒ„: ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
09:18
TR: Thanks a lot, that's amazing. TA: Thank you.
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09:20
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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