A memory scientist's advice on reporting harassment and discrimination | Julia Shaw

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืชืจื’ื•ื: Shlomo Adam ืขืจื™ื›ื”: Sigal Tifferet
00:13
Me Too and Time's Up have highlighted
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"ืžื™ ื˜ื•" ื•"ื˜ื™ื™ืž'ืก ืืค" ืฉืคื›ื• ืื•ืจ ืขืœ ื›ืš
00:16
that harassment and discrimination are a shockingly common part
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ืฉื”ื”ื˜ืจื“ื” ื•ื”ืืคืœื™ื” ื ืคื•ืฆื™ื ืขื“ ื–ืขื–ื•ืข
00:21
of many people's lived reality,
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ื‘ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ ืจื‘ื™ื,
00:23
and that this reality extends into the workplace.
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ืฉืžืฆื™ืื•ืช ื–ื• ืงื™ื™ืžืช ื’ื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
00:26
Whether in tech or finance, sports or the service industry,
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ื‘ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”, ื‘ืคื™ื ื ืกื™ื, ื‘ืกืคื•ืจื˜ ืื• ื‘ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืช ื”ืฉื™ืจื•ืชื™ื,
00:31
every day we seem to hear another story about an abuse of power
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ื ืจืื” ืฉืื ื• ืฉื•ืžืขื™ื ืžื™ื“ื™ ื™ื•ื ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ืœืจืขื” ืฉืœ ื›ื•ื—
00:34
or another grossly inappropriate workplace behavior.
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ืื• ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื•ืช ืœื-ื”ื•ืœืžืช ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ื•ื˜ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
00:38
People are furious.
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ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื–ื•ืขืžื™ื.
00:40
They're taking to Twitter and social media to voice that this must change.
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ื‘"ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ" ื•ื‘ืžื“ื™ื” ื”ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื ืฉืžืขื•ืช ืงืจื™ืื•ืช ืœืฉื™ื ื•ื™ ื”ืžืฆื‘.
00:45
But it's time to move beyond the hashtag.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืฉืขื” ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ืืœ ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœืกื•ืœืžื™ืช.
00:47
It's time for us to report harassment and discrimination
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืขืช ืฉื ื“ื•ื•ื— ืขืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื•ืช ื•ืืคืœื™ื”
00:51
to those who can fix this mess.
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ื‘ืคื ื™ ืืœื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืชืงืŸ ืืช ื”ื‘ืœื’ืŸ ื”ื–ื”.
00:53
And it's time for us to talk about harassment
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ื•ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืฉืขื” ืฉื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื”
00:56
in a more inclusive way:
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ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื›ื•ืœืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ:
00:58
not just about sexual harassment,
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ืœื ืจืง ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื” ืžื™ื ื™ืช,
01:00
but to encourage people to come forward
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ืืœื ืœืขื•ื“ื“ ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื”ื™ื—ืฉืฃ
01:02
about harassment and discrimination based on other characteristics
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ื•ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื” ื•ืืคืœื™ื” ืขืœ ื‘ืกื™ืก ืžืืคื™ื™ื ื™ื ื ื•ืกืคื™ื
01:05
such as age, disability or ethnicity.
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ื›ืžื• ื’ื™ืœ, ื ื›ื•ืช ืื• ืžื•ืฆื ืืชื ื™.
01:09
Because only together can we fix
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ื›ื™ ืจืง ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืชืงืŸ
01:11
the underlying causes and consequences of harassment.
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ืืช ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช ื”ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ืืช ืชื•ืฆืื•ืชื™ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื˜ืจื“ื”.
01:15
You see, most of us will,
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ื”ืจื™ ืžืจื‘ื™ืชื ื•, ืžืชื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ื•,
01:17
at some point in our lives,
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01:18
experience workplace harassment or discrimination.
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ื—ื•ื•ื™ื ื”ื˜ืจื“ื” ืื• ืืคืœื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
01:21
Research shows that particularly women, people of color
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ื”ืžื—ืงืจื™ื ืžืจืื™ื ืฉื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื ืฉื™ื, ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆื‘ืขื•ื ื™ื™ื
01:25
and people who openly identify as LGBTQI are likely to be targeted,
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ื•ืžื™ ืฉืžื–ื“ื”ื™ื ื‘ื’ืœื•ื™ ื›ืœื”ื˜ื‘ื"ืงื™ื ืฆืคื•ื™ื™ื ืœืฉืžืฉ ืžื˜ืจื•ืช ืœื›ืš,
01:30
and for some people, this is a pervasive and persistent part of their reality.
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื–ื”ื• ืžืจื›ื™ื‘ ืขืงื‘ื™ ื‘ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื.
01:34
And for most of these people --
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ื•ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” -
01:36
98 percent according to some studies --
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98 ืื—ื•ื–ื™ื, ืœืคื™ ืžื—ืงืจื™ื ืžืกื•ื™ืžื™ื -
ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ื™ืชื•ื•ื“ื• ื•ื™ืกืคืจื• ืœืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื”ื.
01:39
most of these people will never speak up and tell their employer.
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01:43
Too often, harassment and discrimination is a lonely and isolating experience,
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ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช, ื”ื”ื˜ืจื“ื•ืช ื•ื”ืืคืœื™ื” ื”ืŸ ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื•ื“ื“ื•ืช ื•ืžื‘ื•ื“ื“ื•ืช,
01:48
but we need to help people out from under their desks.
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ืื‘ืœ ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืœืฆืืช ืžื”ืžื—ื‘ื•ื.
01:51
We need to empower people to have a voice.
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ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื”ืขืฆื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ืงื•ืœื.
01:55
The reasonable first question that everybody asks
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ื”ืฉืืœื” ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืฉื•ืืœ ื›ืœ ืื“ื ืฉืขื‘ืจ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื”
01:57
once they've been harassed is "What do I do now?"
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ื”ื™ื, "ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?"
02:00
And this is what I want to help you with.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืš ื‘ืจืฆื•ื ื™ ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื›ื.
02:03
Navigating the barriers to reporting can be absolutely dizzying.
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ืžืกืข ื”ืžื›ืฉื•ืœื™ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืœื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืขืœื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื‘ืœื‘ืœ ืœื’ืžืจื™.
02:09
How can we speak up in a society
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ืื™ืš ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืฉืžื™ืข ืืช ืงื•ืœื ื• ื‘ื—ื‘ืจื”
02:11
that too often discredits or diminishes our experiences?
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ืฉื‘ื“"ื› ืžืคืงืคืงืช ื‘ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืชื™ื ื• ืื• ืžืžืขื™ื˜ื” ื‘ืขืจื›ืŸ?
02:14
How can we speak up in a society
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ืื™ืš ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืฉืžื™ืข ืืช ืงื•ืœื ื• ื‘ื—ื‘ืจื”
02:17
that is likely to be retributive towards us?
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ืฉืฆืคื•ื™ื” ืœื”ืขื ื™ืฉ ืื•ืชื ื• ืขืœื™ื”ืŸ?
02:21
How can we deal with the silencing that goes on all around us?
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ืื™ืš ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื”ืฉืชืงื” ืฉืกื‘ื™ื‘ื ื•?
02:27
Making matters worse,
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ืžื” ืฉืžื—ืžื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘
02:29
often our memories are the only evidence we have of what happened.
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ื”ื•ื ืฉืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช, ื–ื›ืจื•ื ื ื• ื”ื•ื ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื” ืœืžื” ืฉืงืจื”.
02:34
Now, here's where I can come in.
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ื•ื›ืืŸ ืื ื™ ื ื›ื ืกืช ืœืชืžื•ื ื”.
02:36
I'm a memory scientist,
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืงืจืช ื–ื›ืจื•ืŸ,
02:37
and I specialize in how we remember important emotional events.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืชืžื—ื” ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ื• ืื ื• ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื ืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื ืจื’ืฉื™ื™ื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื.
02:42
I've particularly focused on how the memory interview process
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ื”ืชืžืงื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ืชื”ืœื™ืš ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื›ืจื•ืŸ
02:45
can severely impact the evidentiary quality of reports that we produce.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉืคื™ืข ืงืฉื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืื™ื›ื•ืช ื”ืจืึทื™ื™ืชื™ืช ืฉืœ ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—ื™ื ื•.
02:51
A bad interview can lead you to forget details or misremember them
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ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื’ืจื•ืข ืขืœื•ืœ ืœื’ืจื•ื ืœืฉื™ื›ื—ืช ืคืจื˜ื™ื ืื• ืœื–ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื’ื•ื™ื™ื
02:55
while a good interview can forever change your life for the better.
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ื‘ืขื•ื“ ืฉืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฉืคืจ ืœืขื“ ืืช ื—ื™ื™ ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ื ื™ื.
02:59
After looking at lab reports and working,
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ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื‘ื—ื ืชื™ ื“ื•ื—ื•ืช ืžืขื‘ื“ื”
ื•ื—ืงืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ื ื•ืฉื ื‘ื‘ืชื™ ืžืฉืคื˜ ื•ื‘ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื•ืช ืžื—ืงืจื™ื•ืช,
03:03
studying this issue both in the courtroom and in research settings,
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03:07
I've dissected all the different things that can go wrong with our memories
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ื ื™ืชื—ืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืขืœื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฉืชื‘ืฉ ื‘ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•
03:12
that can really threaten your case.
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ื•ืžืžืฉ ืœืื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืชื•ืฆืื” ื”ืกื•ืคื™ืช.
03:14
And now I'm turning my attention to helping people tackle
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ื›ืขืช ืื ื™ ืžืคื ื” ืืช ืชืฉื•ืžืช ืœื‘ื™ ืœืขื–ืจื” ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ืกื•ื’ื™ื™ืช
03:17
recording and reporting of workplace harassment and discrimination.
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ื”ืชื™ืขื•ื“ ื•ื”ื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืฉืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื•ืช ื•ืืคืœื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
03:22
There's three things that I've learned from my research on this
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ื™ืฉ ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœืžื“ืชื™ ืžื”ืžื—ืงืจ ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื ื•ืฉื ื–ื”,
03:25
that you can immediately apply
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ืฉืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœื™ื™ืฉื ืžื™ื™ื“ื™ืช
03:26
if you've been harassed or discriminated against at work.
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ืื ื”ื•ื˜ืจื“ืชื ืื• ื”ื•ืคืœื™ืชื ืœืจืขื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
03:30
I want to help you turn your memory into evidence --
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ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื›ื ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืืช ืžื” ืฉืืชื ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื ืœื”ื•ื›ื—ื” -
03:34
evidence that even a memory skeptic like me
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ื”ื•ื›ื—ื” ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืกืคืงื ื™ืช ื›ืžื•ื ื™ ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ ื–ื›ืจื•ืŸ
03:36
is unlikely to find fault with.
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ืœื ืชืฆืœื™ื— ืœืžืฆื•ื ื‘ื” ืคื’ื.
03:39
First of all, James Comey had it right.
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ืจืืฉื™ืช, ื’'ื™ื™ืžืก ืงื•ืžื™ ืขืฉื” ื–ืืช ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
03:42
The former head of the FBI used to sit in his car,
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ืจืืฉ ื”ื‘ื•ืœืฉืช ื”ืคื“ืจืœื™ืช ืœืฉืขื‘ืจ ื ื”ื’ ืœืฉื‘ืช ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืชื•,
03:45
lock himself in after meetings with the president
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ืœื ืขื•ืœ ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ื” ืœืื—ืจ ืคื’ื™ืฉื•ืช ืขื ื”ื ืฉื™ื
03:48
and write down absolutely everything he could remember about what happened.
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ื•ืœืจืฉื•ื ืžืžืฉ ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ ืžืžื” ืฉื”ืชืจื—ืฉ.
03:52
The now-famous recordings proved to be quite useful later on.
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ื”ื”ืงืœื˜ื•ืช, ืฉื”ืชืคืจืกืžื• ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื”ืชื‘ืจืจื• ื›ืžื•ืขื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ.
03:57
Be like Comey.
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ื”ึถื™ื• ื›ืžื• ืงื•ืžื™.
03:58
Now, you don't need to lock yourself into your car to do this,
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ืื™ื ื›ื ืžื•ื›ืจื—ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื ืขืœ ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ืœืฉื ื›ืš,
04:01
but please, immediately after something happens,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื‘ืงืฉื”, ืžื™ื“ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืงื•ืจื” ืžืฉื”ื•,
04:04
I want you to contemporaneously record what happened.
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ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉื‘ื•-ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืชืชืขื“ื• ืžื” ืงืจื”.
04:07
And do this before talking to anyone else about it.
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ื•ืขืฉื• ื–ืืช ืœืคื ื™ ืฉืชื“ื‘ืจื• ืขืœ ื–ื” ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•.
04:09
Because as soon as your share your story
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ื›ื™ ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืืชื ืžืฉืชืคื™ื ื‘ืกื™ืคื•ืจื›ื
04:11
with friends or family or colleagues or therapists,
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ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืื• ื‘ื ื™-ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืขืžื™ืชื™ื ืื• ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื,
04:14
you have the potential to distort or change your memory of the event.
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ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืคื•ื˜ื ืฆื™ืืœ ืœืขื•ื•ืช ืื• ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื–ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืชื™ื›ื ืžื”ืื™ืจื•ืข.
04:18
Uncontaminated, contemporaneous evidence is worth gold.
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ืขื“ื•ืช ืžื™ื™ื“ื™ืช ื•ืœื-ืžื–ื•ื”ืžืช ืฉื•ื•ื” ื–ื”ื‘.
04:22
Second: the type of evidence matters.
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ืฉื ื™ืช: ืกื•ื’ ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ื”ื•ื ื—ืฉื•ื‘.
04:26
Sure, you can do a handwritten note of what happens,
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ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืชืขื“ ื‘ื›ืชื‘-ื™ื“ ืืช ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”,
04:28
but how do you prove when you wrote it?
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ืื‘ืœ ืื™ืš ืชื•ื›ื™ื—ื• ืžืชื™ ื›ืชื‘ืชื ืืช ื–ื”?
04:31
Instead, pull out your computer or smartphone
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ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื–ื”, ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืืช ื”ืžื—ืฉื‘ ืื• ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื”ื ื™ื™ื“
04:33
and make a note that's time-stamped,
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ื•ื”ื›ื™ื ื• ืชื™ืขื•ื“ ืฉื–ื•ื›ื” ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ืช ืœื—ื•ืชืžืช-ื–ืžืŸ,
04:36
where you can prove this was recorded at this time.
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ืฉื™ื•ื›ื™ื— ืžืชื™ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืชื•ืขื“ื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
04:39
Contemporaneous, time-stamped evidence is better.
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ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื”ื™ื ื”ื•ื›ื—ื” ืžื™ื™ื“ื™ืช ืฉื ื•ืฉืืช ื—ื•ืชืžืช-ื–ืžืŸ.
04:45
Finally, make sure what you're writing down is actually relevant.
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ื•ื‘ืกื•ืฃ, ื•ื“ืื• ืฉืžื” ืฉืืชื ื›ื•ืชื‘ื™ื ืื›ืŸ ืจืœื•ื•ื ื˜ื™.
04:50
Too often, we see that people bring out Facebook messages,
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ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืžืขืœื™ื ืžืกืจื™ื ืœ"ืคื™ื™ืกื‘ื•ืง"
04:54
they bring out time-stamped pieces of evidence,
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ืขื ืจืื™ื•ืช ืฉื ื•ืฉืื•ืช ื—ื•ืชืžืช-ื–ืžืŸ,
04:56
but sure, they're not particularly relevant,
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ืื‘ืœ ืืœื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืœื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืจืœื•ื•ื ื˜ื™ื™ื,
ืœื ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉื™ื™ื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“.
04:59
they're not particularly useful.
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05:00
It's easy to write an emotional, unstructured account of what happened --
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ืงืœ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืชื™ืื•ืจ ืจื’ืฉื™ ื•ืœื ืžืกื•ื“ืจ ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” -
05:04
understandable because it's an emotional experience --
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ื•ื–ื” ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื›ื™ ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ื‘ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ืจื’ืฉื™ืช -
05:08
but those might not actually be the details that matter later on
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ืื‘ืœ ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ืืœื” ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื ืฉื™ื”ื™ื• ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืขืชื™ื“ ืœืฆืจื›ื™ ื—ืงื™ืจื”.
05:11
for an investigation.
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05:13
Write down this list.
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ื›ืชื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืจืฉื™ืžื” ื”ื–ืืช.
05:15
I want you to keep track of this and simply fill in the blanks.
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ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืชื™ืฆืžื“ื• ืืœื™ื” ื•ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืชืฉื™ื‘ื• ืขืœื™ื”.
05:20
First of all, what happened?
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ืจืืฉื™ืช ื›ืœ, ืžื” ืงืจื”?
05:22
In as much detail as possible,
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ืชืืจื• ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘ ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ื˜ ืจื‘ ื›ื›ืœ ื”ืืคืฉืจ
05:24
describe the situation,
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05:25
and do it on the day it happened if at all possible.
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ื•ืขืฉื• ื–ืืช ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ืžื™ื“ืช ื”ืืคืฉืจ.
05:28
Second, who was there?
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ืฉื ื™ืช, ืžื™ ื”ื™ื• ื”ื ื•ื›ื—ื™ื? ื”ืื ื”ื™ื• ืขื“ื™-ืจืื™ื”?
05:29
Were there any witnesses?
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05:31
This becomes crucial potentially later on.
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ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื›ืจื™ืข ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš.
05:33
What exact time and date did this happen?
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ืžื”ื ื”ืฉืขื” ื•ื”ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืžื“ื•ื™ืงื™ื ื‘ื”ื ื–ื” ืงืจื”?
05:36
What location? Where did this happen?
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ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžื™ืงื•ื? ืื™ืคื” ื–ื” ืงืจื”?
05:38
Who did you tell after the event?
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ืœืžื™ ืกื™ืคืจืชื ืœืื—ืจ ื”ืžืงืจื”?
05:40
How did it make you feel during and after it happened?
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ืื™ืš ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืื™ืจื•ืข ื•ืœืื—ืจื™ื•?
05:43
And is there any other evidence such as WhatsApps, photos or emails
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ื•ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ื”ื•ื›ื—ื•ืช ื ื•ืกืคื•ืช,
ื›ืžื• ืžืกืจื™ "ื•ื•ื˜ืกืืค", ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืื• ื“ื•ื"ืœ
05:48
that might lend more credibility to your case.
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ืฉื™ื•ื›ืœื• ืœื—ื–ืง ืืช ืืžื™ื ื•ืช ื”ื˜ื™ืขื•ืŸ ืฉืœื›ื?
05:52
These are all details that are incredibly easy to record contemporaneously
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ื›ืœ ืืœื” ื”ื ืคืจื˜ื™ื ืฉืงืœ ืœื”ืคืœื™ื ืœืชืขื“ ื‘ื•-ื‘ืžืงื•ื
05:56
but are also incredibly easy to forget later on.
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ืื‘ืœ ืงืœ ืœื”ืคืœื™ื ื’ื ืœืฉื›ื•ื— ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš.
05:58
Humans, according to research, often overestimate their ability
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ื‘ื ื™-ืื“ื, ืื•ืžืจ ื”ืžื—ืงืจ, ืžืจื‘ื™ื ืœื”ืขืจื™ืš ื™ืชืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ื” ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื
06:02
to remember important emotional details later on.
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ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ ื‘ืขืชื™ื“ ืคืจื˜ื™ื ืจื’ืฉื™ื™ื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื.
06:05
Assume that you're going to forget.
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ืฆืื• ืžื”ื ื—ื” ืฉืชืฉื›ื—ื•.
06:07
Assume you have to write it down.
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ืฆืื• ืžื”ื ื—ื” ืฉืขืœื™ื›ื ืœืจืฉื•ื ื”ื›ืœ.
06:11
Now, these three pieces of advice are a good start,
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ืฉืœื•ืฉ ื”ืขืฆื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื”ืŸ ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”,
06:15
but of course they don't overcome a lot of the other barriers to reporting.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืŸ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœื ืžืชื’ื‘ืจื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืžื•ืŸ ืžื›ืฉื•ืœื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—.
06:19
According to the Equality and Human Rights Commission,
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ืœืคื™ ื”ื•ื•ืขื“ื” ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ื•ืœื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื“ื,
06:22
which published a report in 2018,
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ื‘ื“ื•"ื— ืฉืคืจืกืžื” ื‘-2018,
06:25
there's one key recommendation to overcome some of the other fears
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ื™ืฉ ื”ืžืœืฆื” ืžืจื›ื–ื™ืช ืื—ืช ืœื”ืชื’ื‘ืจื•ืช ืขืœ ื›ืžื” ืžื™ืชืจ ื”ื—ืฉืฉื•ืช
06:28
often associated with reporting these kinds of incidents to your employer.
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ื”ืงืฉื•ืจื™ื ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ื‘ื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืœืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื ืขืœ ืชืงืจื™ื•ืช ื›ืืœื”.
06:33
One piece of advice that they made?
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ื•ืžื”ื™ ื”ืขืฆื” ื”ืžืจื›ื–ื™ืช ืฉืœื”ื?
06:35
Have an online, anonymous reporting tool.
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ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ื›ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื•ืŸ ืœื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ื‘ืขื™ืœื•ื-ืฉื.
06:39
Only that way, they say,
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ืจืง ื›ืš, ืœื“ื‘ืจื™ื”ื,
06:40
can you truly overcome many of the fears associated with reporting.
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ืชื•ื›ืœื• ื‘ืืžืช ืœื”ืชื’ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื—ืฉืฉื•ืช ืจื‘ื™ื ืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—.
06:44
Now, in line with this,
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ืœืื•ืจ ื–ืืช,
06:46
and informed by what was happening all around me
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ื•ืœื ื•ื›ื— ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืงื•ืจื” ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื™,
06:49
and taking and applying the memory science,
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ื•ืชื•ืš ื™ื™ืฉื•ื ืžื“ืข ื”ื–ื›ืจื•ืŸ,
06:52
the science that I had been doing for many years,
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ื”ืžื“ืข ืฉื‘ื• ืื ื™ ืขื•ืกืงืช ืžื–ื” ืฉื ื™ื ืจื‘ื•ืช,
06:55
I sat down with a number of people
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ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืขื ืžืกืคืจ ืื ืฉื™ื
06:57
and we together created TalkToSpot.com.
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ื•ื™ืฆืจื ื• ื™ื—ื“ ืืช ื”ืืชืจ TalkToSpot.com.
07:01
Spot is an online, anonymous reporting tool
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"ืกืคื•ื˜" ื”ื•ื ื›ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื•ืŸ ืœื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™
07:04
that helps you record and report workplace harassment and discrimination.
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ืฉืขื•ื–ืจ ืœื›ื ืœืชืขื“ ื•ืœื“ื•ื•ื— ืขืœ ื”ื˜ืจื“ื•ืช ื•ืืคืœื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
07:07
It allows you to do it anonymously,
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ื”ื•ื ืžืืคืฉืจ ืœื›ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช ื‘ืขื™ืœื•ื-ืฉื,
07:09
it allows you to do it for free,
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ื”ื•ื ืžืืคืฉืจ ืœื›ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช ื—ื™ื ื,
07:11
and it's completely evidence-based.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ื•ืœื• ืžื‘ื•ืกืก-ืจืื™ื•ืช.
ืื™ื ื›ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•,
07:13
You don't have to talk to a person,
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07:14
there's no fear of judgment,
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ืื™ืŸ ืฉื•ื ื—ืฉืฉ ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื™ืคื•ื˜ื™ื•ืช,
07:16
and you can do it whenever and wherever you need.
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ื•ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ื•ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืชืฆื˜ืจื›ื•.
07:21
Now you have the power to walk through an evidence-based memory interview.
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ื›ืขืช ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ื”ื›ื•ื— ืœื”ื™ืขื–ืจ ื‘ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื–ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืžื•ื“ืจืš ื•ืžื‘ื•ืกืก-ืจืื™ื•ืช.
07:26
Now, this is called a cognitive interview.
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ื–ื” ืงืจื•ื™ "ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืงื•ื’ื ื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื™".
07:28
This is the same technique that police use when they're doing their job properly.
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ื–ื• ืื•ืชื” ื”ื˜ื›ื ื™ืงื” ืฉื‘ื” ื ืขื–ืจืช ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ื›ืฉื”ื™ื ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ืžืœืื›ืชื” ื›ื™ืื•ืช.
07:33
So in best-case scenarios,
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ืื– ื‘ืชืจื—ื™ืฉื™ื ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื,
07:35
people who are being asked about important emotional events
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ื›ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื ืฉืืœื™ื ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื ืจื’ืฉื™ื™ื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื,
ื–ื” ื ืขืฉื” ืœืคื™ ืงื•ื•ื™ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืงื•ื’ื ื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื™.
07:38
are being asked in line with the cognitive interview.
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07:41
Now, this walks you through all the relevant information
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ื–ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ืืชื›ื ืœื›ืœ ืื•ืจืš ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ืจืœื•ื•ื ื˜ื™
07:45
so that at the end, after you've talked to the bot --
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ื›ืš ืฉื‘ืกื•ืฃ, ืœืื—ืจ ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื ืืœ ื”ื‘ื•ื˜ -
07:48
which is an automatic messaging system --
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ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืขืจื›ืช ืžืกืจื™ื ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ืช -
07:51
after you've talked to the bot,
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ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื ืืœ ื”ื‘ื•ื˜,
ื”ื•ื ืžืคื™ืง ืชื™ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืคื•ืจืžื˜ ืคื™-ื“ื™-ืืฃ ืขื ื—ื•ืชืžืช ื–ืžืŸ ื•ืื‘ื˜ื—ื”
07:53
it generates a PDF record that's time-stamped and securely signed
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07:56
that you can keep for yourself as evidence in case you want to share it later,
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ืฉืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืืฆืœื›ื ื›ื”ื•ื›ื—ื” ืœืžืงืจื” ืฉืชืจืฆื• ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืขืชื™ื“,
08:00
or you can submit it to your employer right away.
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ืื• ืœื”ื’ื™ืฉ ืžื™ื“ ืœืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื›ื.
08:03
And in line with recommendations,
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ื•ื‘ื”ืชืื ืœืื•ืชื” ื”ืžืœืฆื”,
08:05
you can submit it to your employer anonymously.
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ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœื”ื’ื™ืฉ ื–ืืช ืœืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืœื•ื-ืฉื.
08:09
But a reporting tool is only as useful as the audience that's listening.
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ืื‘ืœ ื™ืขื™ืœื•ืชื• ืฉืœ ื›ืœื™-ื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืชืœื•ื™ื” ื‘ืžื™ ืฉืžืงืฉื™ื‘.
08:13
So if your employer is truly committed to change,
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ืื– ืื ื”ืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื ืฉืœื›ื ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืืžืช ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘,
08:16
we've decided to also offer them the tool to respond.
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ื”ื—ืœื˜ื ื• ืœื”ืฆื™ืข ื’ื ืœื”ื ื›ืœื™ ืœืชื’ื•ื‘ื”.
08:20
So if organizations work with us
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ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืื™ืชื ื•
08:23
and are truly committed to doing something
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ื•ื‘ืืžืช ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื ืงื•ื˜ ืคืขื•ืœื” ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืœื”ื˜ืจื“ื” ื•ืืคืœื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”,
08:25
about workplace harassment and discrimination,
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08:27
they're also able to respond to you even if you've chosen to stay anonymous.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ื’ื ืœื”ืขื ื•ืช ืœื›ื ื’ื ืื ื‘ื—ืจืชื ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ืืœืžื•ื ื™ื•ืช.
08:32
We think it's important that you can work together with your employer
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ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื ื•, ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื”ืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื
08:35
to tackle this issue.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ืกื•ื’ื™ื” ื–ื•.
08:38
We think that everybody wins when we bring light into this dark issue.
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ืœื“ืขืชื ื•, ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื ืฆื ื ืฉื›ืจื™ื ืžื›ืš ืฉื ืื™ืจ ื ื•ืฉื ื—ืฉื•ืš ื–ื”.
08:43
Whether it happens to you or to someone you know,
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ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื›ื ืื• ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืชื ืžื›ื™ืจื™ื,
08:46
recording and reporting what happened
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ื”ืชื™ืขื•ื“ ื•ื”ื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”
08:47
can really improve how we talk about these issues.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืœืชืจื•ื ืœืฉื™ื— ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ื ื•ืฉืื™ื ืืœื”.
ื•ืื ืืชื ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื,
08:52
And if you're an organization,
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08:53
this is a call to give your employees access
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ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื ืงืจื™ืื” ืœืืคืฉืจ ืœืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื›ื ื’ื™ืฉื”
08:56
to better and more effective reporting mechanisms.
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ืœืžื ื’ื ื•ื ื™ ื“ื™ื•ื•ื— ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื•ื™ืขื™ืœื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ.
08:59
We know that the current methods that are used in most organizations
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ืื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื”ืฉื™ื˜ื•ืช ื”ื ื•ื›ื—ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื
09:04
don't work effectively.
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ืื™ื ืŸ ืคื•ืขืœื•ืช ื‘ื™ืขื™ืœื•ืช
09:06
It's time to change that if you're committed to inclusion and diversity.
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืขืช ืœืฉื™ื ื•ื™, ืื ืืชื ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื”ื›ืœืœื” ื•ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ.
09:13
It's time for us to celebrate our diversity.
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืฉืขื” ืฉื ืฉืžื— ื‘ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•.
ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืฉืขื” ืฉื ื™ืชืŸ ืงื•ืœ
09:17
It's time for us to give a voice
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09:20
to those who have for too long been denied one.
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ืœืืœื” ืฉื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ืžื“ื™ ื”ื™ื• ืื™ืœืžื™ื.
09:23
It's time for us to celebrate those who come forward,
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืขืช ืœืฉื‘ื— ืืช ืžื™ ืฉื ื—ืฉืคื™ื,
09:26
even if they feel they need to stay anonymous --
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ื’ื ืื ื”ื ื—ืฉื™ื ืฆื•ืจืš ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืืœืžื•ื ื™ื™ื -
ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืœืฉื ื›ืš ื‘ืžืกื•ื•ื”.
09:29
to stay masked to do so.
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09:31
It's time for a reporting revolution.
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ื”ืฉืขื” ืœืžื”ืคื›ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—.
09:34
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืœื›ื.
09:35
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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