Zeynep Tufekci: How the Internet has made social change easy to organize, hard to win

Prevoditelj: Lidija Šimunović Recezent: Jelena Horvat

So recently, we heard a lot about how social media helps empower protest,

Puno slušamo o tome kako društveni mediji osnažuju prosvjedovanje

and that's true,

i to je istina,

but after more than a decade

ali nakon više od desetljeća

of studying and participating in multiple social movements,

proučavanja i sudjelovanja u raznim društvenim pokretima

I've come to realize

shvatila sam

that the way technology empowers social movements

da tehnologija koja osnažuje društvene pokrete također

can also paradoxically help weaken them.

ih može, paradoksalno, oslabiti.

This is not inevitable, but overcoming it requires diving deep

To nije neizbježno, ali da bi se prevladalo, potrebno je uroniti

into what makes success possible over the long term.

u ono što dugoročno osigurava uspjeh.

And the lessons apply in multiple domains.

Lekcije se primjenjuju u mnogim domenama.

Now, take Turkey's Gezi Park protests, July 2013,

Na primjer, prosvjed u turskom Gezi Parku u srpnju 2013. godine,

which I went back to study in the field.

koji sam proučavala na terenu.

Twitter was key to its organizing.

Twitter je bio ključan za njegovu organizaciju.

It was everywhere in the park -- well, along with a lot of tear gas.

Bio je posvuda u parku -- zajedno sa suzavcem.

It wasn't all high tech.

Nije bio potpuno visokotehnološki.

But the people in Turkey had already gotten used to the power of Twitter

Ali ljudi su se u Turskoj već naviknuli na moć Twittera

because of an unfortunate incident about a year before

zbog nesretnog incidenta od prije godinu dana

when military jets had bombed and killed

kada su vojni zrakoplovi bombardirali i ubili

34 Kurdish smugglers near the border region,

34 kurdska krijumčara u blizini granice,

and Turkish media completely censored this news.

a turski su mediji potpuno cenzurirali ovu vijest.

Editors sat in their newsrooms

Urednici su sjedili u redakcijama

and waited for the government to tell them what to do.

i čekali da im vlada kaže što činiti.

One frustrated journalist could not take this anymore.

Jedan frustrirani novinar to više nije mogao podnijeti.

He purchased his own plane ticket,

Kupio si je avionsku kartu

and went to the village where this had occurred.

i otišao u selo gdje se to dogodilo.

And he was confronted by this scene:

Bio je suočen sa sljedećim:

a line of coffins coming down a hill, relatives wailing.

red lijesova spuštao se s brda, rođaci žaluju.

He later he told me how overwhelmed he felt,

Kasnije mi je rekao da je bio preplavljen osjećajima

and didn't know what to do,

i nije znao što učiniti

so he took out his phone,

pa je izvadio telefon,

like any one of us might,

kao što je bilo tko mogao učiniti,

and snapped that picture and tweeted it out.

uslikao ovo i stavio ju na Twitter.

And voila, that picture went viral

i voila, slika je obišla svijet,

and broke the censorship and forced mass media to cover it.

uništila cenzuru i prisilila masovne medije da izvijeste o tome.

So when, a year later, Turkey's Gezi protests happened,

Kada su se, godinu kasnije, dogodili prosvjedi u Geziju

it started as a protest about a park being razed,

počelo je kao prosvjed protiv uništavanja parka, ali

but became an anti-authoritarian protest.

postao je prosvjed protiv autoriteta.

It wasn't surprising that media also censored it,

Nije iznenađujuće da su i njih mediji cenzurirali,

but it got a little ridiculous at times.

ali nekad je bilo smiješno.

When things were so intense,

Kada je sve postalo intenzivno,

when CNN International was broadcasting live from Istanbul,

međunarodni je CNN izvještavao uživo iz Istanbula,

CNN Turkey instead was broadcasting a documentary on penguins.

a CNN Turske prikazivao dokumentarac o pingvinima.

Now, I love penguin documentaries, but that wasn't the news of the day.

Volim dokumentarce o pingvinima, ali to nije bila vijest dana.

An angry viewer put his two screens together and snapped that picture,

Ljutit gledatelj spojio je ekrane i uslikao ovu fotografiju

and that one too went viral,

koja je također obišla svijet

and since then, people call Turkish media the penguin media. (Laughter)

i od onda ljudi turske medije nazivaju pingvinskim medijima. (Smijeh)

But this time, people knew what to do.

Ali, ovaj su put ljudi znali što činiti.

They just took out their phones and looked for actual news.

Izvadili su mobitele i tražili prave vijesti.

Better, they knew to go to the park and take pictures and participate

Štoviše, znali su da moraju otići u park i fotografirati i sudjelovati i

and share it more on social media.

podijeliti to putem društvenih medija.

Digital connectivity was used for everything from food to donations.

Digitalna je povezanost korištena za sve, od hrane do donacija.

Everything was organized partially with the help of these new technologies.

Sve je, djelomično, bilo organizirano uz pomoć novih tehnologija.

And using Internet to mobilize and publicize protests

Korištenje interneta za mobiliziranje i objavljivanje prosvjeda

actually goes back a long way.

poprilično je staro.

Remember the Zapatistas,

Sjećate se Zapatista,

the peasant uprising in the southern Chiapas region of Mexico

ustanka seljaka u južnoj Chiapas regiji Meksika

led by the masked, pipe-smoking, charismatic Subcomandante Marcos?

koji je vodio maskirani, karizmatični pušač Subcomandante Marcos?

That was probably the first movement

To je vjerojatno bio prvi pokret koji

that got global attention thanks to the Internet.

je dobio pažnju svijeta zahvaljujući Internetu.

Or consider Seattle '99,

Ili, Seattle 1999. godine,

when a multinational grassroots effort brought global attention

kada su multinacionalna nastojanja usmjerila pažnju svijeta na ono što je

to what was then an obscure organization, the World Trade Organization,

tada bila nepoznata organizacija, Svjetsku trgovinsku organizaciju,

by also utilizing these digital technologies to help them organize.

također koristeći digitalnu tehnologiju kako bi im pomogli pri organizaciji.

And more recently, movement after movement

I u novije doba, pokreti

has shaken country after country:

koji su potresali razne zemlje:

the Arab uprisings from Bahrain to Tunisia to Egypt and more;

ustanak Arapa iz Bahreina, Tunisa, Egipta i dalje;

indignados in Spain, Italy, Greece; the Gezi Park protests;

"gnjevni" u Španjolskoj, Italiji, Grčkoj; prosvjedi u Gezi Parku;

Taiwan; Euromaidan in Ukraine; Hong Kong.

Tajvan, "EuroMaidan" u Ukrajini; Hong Kong.

And think of more recent initiatives, like the #BringBackOurGirls hashtags.

A tu su i nedavne inicijative, poput hashtagova #BringBackOurGirls.

Nowadays, a network of tweets can unleash a global awareness campaign.

U današnje vrijeme mreža tweetova može pokrenuti globalnu kampanju.

A Facebook page can become the hub of a massive mobilization.

Facebook stranica može postati središte ogromne mobilizacije.

Amazing.

Nevjerojatno.

But think of the moments I just mentioned.

Ali razmislite o ovome što sam spomenula.

The achievements they were able to have, their outcomes,

Ono što se moglo postići, ono što je proizašlo

are not really proportional to the size and energy they inspired.

nije proporcionalno veličini i energiji koju su pokrenuli.

The hopes they rightfully raised are not really matched

Nada koju su pobudili nije u skladu s onim

by what they were able to have as a result in the end.

što je bio krajnji rezultat.

And this raises a question:

I tu se nameće pitanje:

As digital technology makes things easier for movements,

Ako digitalna tehnologija olakšava razne pokrete,

why haven't successful outcomes become more likely as well?

zašto nisu vjerojatniji uspješni rezultati?

In embracing digital platforms for activism and politics,

Prihvaćajući digitalne platforme u aktivizmu i politici možda

are we overlooking some of the benefits of doing things the hard way?

propuštamo dobrobiti koje pruža organizacija na teži način.

Now, I believe so.

Vjerujem da je tako.

I believe that the rule of thumb is:

Vjerujem da je to otprilike ovako:

Easier to mobilize does not always mean easier to achieve gains.

lakša mobilizacija ne znači nužno lakše postizanje ciljeva.

Now, to be clear,

Da budem jasna,

technology does empower in multiple ways.

tehnologija osnažuje u više načina.

It's very powerful.

Vrlo je moćna.

In Turkey, I watched four young college students

U Turskoj sam gledala kako četiri mlada studenta

organize a countrywide citizen journalism network called 140Journos

organiziraju mrežu gradskih novinara 140Journos

that became the central hub for uncensored news in the country.

koja je postala središte za necenzurirane vijesti u zemlji.

In Egypt, I saw another four young people use digital connectivity

U Egiptu sam vidjela kako četvero mladih ljudi koristi digitalnu povezanost za

to organize the supplies and logistics for 10 field hospitals,

organiziranje zaliha i logistike za deset poljskih bolnica,

very large operations,

što su jako velike operacije,

during massive clashes near Tahrir Square in 2011.

tijekom velikih sukoba blizu Tahrir trga 2011. godine.

And I asked the founder of this effort, called Tahrir Supplies,

Pitala sam pokretača te inicijative, koju su nazvali Tahrir Supplies,

how long it took him to go from when he had the idea to when he got started.

koliko mu je trebalo od ideje do trenutka kada je počeo s radom.

"Five minutes," he said. Five minutes.

"Pet minuta", odgovorio je. Pet minuta.

And he had no training or background in logistics.

Nije imao iskustva u logistici.

Or think of the Occupy movement which rocked the world in 2011.

Ili, sjetite se pokreta Occupy koji je potresao svijet 2011. godine.

It started with a single email

Počeo je jednim e-mailom

from a magazine, Adbusters, to 90,000 subscribers in its list.

iz časopisa Adbusters koji je poslan 90000 pretplatnika na njega.

About two months after that first email,

Otprilike dva mjeseca kasnije

there were in the United States 600 ongoing occupations and protests.

u SAD-u je bilo 600 okupacija i prosvjeda.

Less than one month after the first physical occupation in Zuccotti Park,

Manje od mjesec dana nakon prve fizičke okupacije u Zuccotti parku

a global protest was held in about 82 countries, 950 cities.

održan je globalni prosvjed u 82 zemlje i 950 gradova.

It was one of the largest global protests ever organized.

Bio je to jedan od najvećih globalnih prosvjeda ikad.

Now, compare that to what the Civil Rights Movement had to do in 1955 Alabama

Usporedite to s Pokretom za građanska prava u Alabami 1955. godine koji

to protest the racially segregated bus system, which they wanted to boycott.

se suprotstavio segregacijskom sustavu autobusa.

They'd been preparing for many years

Pripremali su se godinama

and decided it was time to swing into action

i odlučili da je došlo vrijeme za akciju

after Rosa Parks was arrested.

nakon uhićenja Rose Parks.

But how do you get the word out --

Ali kako obznaniti da

tomorrow we're going to start the boycott --

će sutra započeti bojkot

when you don't have Facebook, texting, Twitter, none of that?

ako nemate Facebooka, SMS-ova ni Twittera?

So they had to mimeograph 52,000 leaflets

Morali su ispisati 52000 letaka

by sneaking into a university duplicating room

tako što su se ušuljali u sveučilište

and working all night, secretly.

i potajno radili cijelu noć.

They then used the 68 African-American organizations

Zatim su pomoću 68 Afroameričkih ogranizacija

that criss-crossed the city to distribute those leaflets by hand.

pročešljali grad kako bi ručno podijelili te letke.

And the logistical tasks were daunting, because these were poor people.

Logistički su zadaci bili obeshrabrujući jer se radilo o siromašnim ljudima.

They had to get to work, boycott or no,

Morali su ići na posao neovisno o bojkotu

so a massive carpool was organized,

tako da je organiziran prijevoz,

again by meeting.

opet tako što su se sastali.

No texting, no Twitter, no Facebook.

Bez SMS-ova, Twittera, Facebooka.

They had to meet almost all the time to keep this carpool going.

Neprestano su se morali nalaziti kako bi održavali prijevoz.

Today, it would be so much easier.

Danas bi to bilo puno lakše.

We could create a database, available rides and what rides you need,

Stvorili bismo bazu podataka, dostupne i potrebne vožnje,

have the database coordinate, and use texting.

bazu bismo koordinirali i koristili SMS-ove.

We wouldn't have to meet all that much.

Gotovo se uopće ne bismo morali nalaziti.

But again, consider this:

Ali opet, razmislite o ovome:

the Civil Rights Movement in the United States

Pokret za građanska prava u Sjedinjenim Državama

navigated a minefield of political dangers,

prolazio je mnoge političke prijetnje,

faced repression and overcame, won major policy concessions,

suočio se s gušenjem i prevladao ga, izborio se za razne političke ustupke,

navigated and innovated through risks.

prošao i uveo inovacije kroz rizike.

In contrast, three years after Occupy sparked

Usporedimo to s Occupy pokretom. Tri godine nakon početka

that global conversation about inequality,

globalnog razgovora o nejednakosti

the policies that fueled it are still in place.

politike koje su ga pokrenule još su uvijek na snazi.

Europe was also rocked by anti-austerity protests,

Europu su potresli prosvjedi protiv mjera štednje,

but the continent didn't shift its direction.

ali ništa se nije promijenilo.

In embracing these technologies,

Prihvaćajući te tehnologije,

are we overlooking some of the benefits of slow and sustained?

je li moguće da previdimo neke dobrobiti sporoga i održivoga?

To understand this,

Kako bih to razumjela,

I went back to Turkey about a year after the Gezi protests

vratila sam se u Tursku godinu dana nakon prosvjeda u Geziju

and I interviewed a range of people,

i intervjuirala razne ljude,

from activists to politicians,

od aktivista do političara,

from both the ruling party and the opposition party and movements.

iz vladajuće i opozicijske stranke i pokreta.

I found that the Gezi protesters were despairing.

Prosvjednici su očajavali.

They were frustrated,

Bili su frustrirani

and they had achieved much less than what they had hoped for.

jer su postigli puno manje od očekivanog.

This echoed what I'd been hearing around the world

To je potvrdilo ono što sam čula od mnogih

from many other protesters that I'm in touch with.

prosvjednika diljem svijeta.

And I've come to realize that part of the problem

Shvatila sam da je dio problema to

is that today's protests have become a bit like climbing Mt. Everest

što su današnji prosvjedi postali kao osvajanje Mt. Everesta

with the help of 60 Sherpas,

uz pomoć 60 sherpa,

and the Internet is our Sherpa.

a internet je naš sherpa.

What we're doing is taking the fast routes

Biramo kraći put,

and not replacing the benefits of the slower work.

a ne nalazimo zamjenu za dobrobiti sporijeg načina.

Because, you see,

Zato što, znate,

the kind of work that went into organizing

posao potreban za organizaciju

all those daunting, tedious logistical tasks

svih tih zastrašujućih, mučnih logističkih zadataka

did not just take care of those tasks,

nije samo pokrio te zadatke

they also created the kind of organization that could think together collectively

već je stvorio tip organizacije koja je mogla kolektivno razmišljati

and make hard decisions together,

i zajedno donositi teške odluke,

create consensus and innovate, and maybe even more crucially,

stvarati konsenzuse i inovacije, a možda i ono važnije,

keep going together through differences.

zajedno prolaziti različitosti.

So when you see this March on Washington in 1963,

Kada pogledate Marš na Washington 1963. godine,

when you look at that picture,

kada pogledate tu sliku

where this is the march where Martin Luther King gave his famous

marša na kojem je Martin Luther King održao svoj slavni

"I have a dream" speech, 1963,

"Imam san" govor, 1963.,

you don't just see a march and you don't just hear a powerful speech,

ne vidite samo marš i ne čujete samo moćan govor

you also see the painstaking, long-term work that can put on that march.

već vidite i mukotrpan, dugotrajan trud koji je uložen u taj marš.

And if you're in power,

I ako ste osoba na položaju,

you realize you have to take the capacity signaled by that march,

shvaćate da morate uzeti u obzir sposobnost koju marš predstavlja,

not just the march, but the capacity signaled by that march, seriously.

ne samo taj marš, nego i kapacitete koje on predstavlja.

In contrast, when you look at Occupy's global marches

Usporedimo to s globalnim marševima Occupy pokreta

that were organized in two weeks,

koji su organizirani u 2 tjedna

you see a lot of discontent,

i ispoljavaju nezadovoljstvo,

but you don't necessarily see teeth that can bite over the long term.

ali ne vidi se dugoročnost.

And crucially, the Civil Rights Movement innovated tactically

Pokret za građanska prava taktično je krenuo od

from boycotts to lunch counter sit-ins to pickets to marches to freedom rides.

bojkota do formiranja ljudskih ograda, marševa do putnika slobode.

Today's movements scale up very quickly without the organizational base

Današnji se pokreti brzo pojavljuju bez organizacijske baze koja im

that can see them through the challenges.

može omogućiti opstanak.

They feel a little like startups that got very big

Izgledaju kao početnici koji su postali poznati,

without knowing what to do next,

a ne znaju što dalje učiniti,

and they rarely manage to shift tactically

i rijetko se mogu taktički prilagoditi

because they don't have the depth of capacity

jer nemaju dubinu kapaciteta

to weather such transitions.

da se nose s takvim prijelazom.

Now, I want to be clear: The magic is not in the mimeograph.

Da nešto razjasnim: ne radi se o umnožavanju.

It's in that capacity to work together, think together collectively,

Radi se o sposobnosti zajedničkog rada, kolektivnog razmišljanja,

which can only be built over time with a lot of work.

a to se može izgraditi s vremenom uz puno truda.

To understand all this,

Da to sve shvatim,

I interviewed a top official from the ruling party in Turkey,

intervjuirala sam vođu iz vladajuće stranke u Turskoj

and I ask him, "How do you do it?"

i pitala ga kako on to radi.

They too use digital technology extensively, so that's not it.

I oni puno koriste digitalnu tehnologiju, tako da očito nije stvar u tome.

So what's the secret?

U čemu je onda tajna?

Well, he told me.

Otkrio mi je.

He said the key is he never took sugar with his tea.

Rekao je da ključ uspjeha leži u tome da nikada ne pije čaj sa šećerom.

I said, what has that got to do with anything?

Pitala sam ga kakve to ima veze s bilo čime.

Well, he said, his party starts getting ready for the next election

Odgovorio mi je da se njegova stranka priprema za iduće izbore

the day after the last one,

dan nakon posljednjeg

and he spends all day every day meeting with voters in their homes,

i da provodi dane sastajući se s glasačima u njihovim domovima,

in their wedding parties, circumcision ceremonies,

na vjenčanjima, obredima obrezivanja

and then he meets with his colleagues to compare notes.

i onda se nađe s kolegama i uspoređuju iskustva.

With that many meetings every day, with tea offered at every one of them,

Svi ti sastanci svakog dana, a čaj mu ponude na svakom

which he could not refuse, because that would be rude,

i ne smije ga odbiti jer bi to bilo nepristojno,

he could not take even one cube of sugar per cup of tea,

ne može staviti kocku šećera u svaku šalicu čaja

because that would be many kilos of sugar, he can't even calculate how many kilos,

jer bi to bilo mnogo kilograma šećera, toliko da im ne zna ni broja,

and at that point I realized why he was speaking so fast.

i tada sam shvatila zašto tako brzo govori.

We had met in the afternoon, and he was already way over-caffeinated.

Sastali smo se popodne kada je već popio puno kofeina.

But his party won two major elections

Ali njegova je stranka dobila dva izbora

within a year of the Gezi protests with comfortable margins.

u godini Gezi prosvjeda i to s uvjerljivom prednošću.

To be sure, governments have different resources to bring to the table.

Vlade imaju razne resurse kojima raspolažu.

It's not the same game, but the differences are instructive.

Ne radi se o istoj igri, ali različitosti su poučne.

And like all such stories, this is not a story just of technology.

I kao sve ovakve priče, ne radi se samo o tehnologiji.

It's what technology allows us to do converging with what we want to do.

Radi se o tome što nam ona dopušta, a što odgovara onome što želimo učiniti.

Today's social movements want to operate informally.

Današnji društveni pokreti žele djelovati neformalno.

They do not want institutional leadership.

Ne žele institucionalno vodstvo.

They want to stay out of politics because they fear corruption and cooptation.

Ne žele se miješati u politiku jer se boje korupcije i suradnje.

They have a point.

I u pravu su.

Modern representative democracies are being strangled in many countries

U mnogim se zemljama guše moderni predstavnici demokracije

by powerful interests.

zbog moćnih interesa.

But operating this way makes it hard for them

Ali takvo djelovanje otežava

to sustain over the long term and exert leverage over the system,

dugoročnu održivost i smanjuje nadmoć nad sustavom,

which leads to frustrated protesters dropping out,

što vodi do odustanka frustriranih prosvjednika

and even more corrupt politics.

i još veće korumpiranosti politike.

And politics and democracy without an effective challenge hobbles,

Politika i demokracija su sputane bez djelotvornih izazova

because the causes that have inspired the modern recent movements are crucial.

jer su uzroci modernih pokreta ključni.

Climate change is barreling towards us.

Klimatske nam promjene dolaze.

Inequality is stifling human growth and potential and economies.

Nejednakost guši ljudski napredak, potencijal i ekonomiju.

Authoritarianism is choking many countries.

Mnoge zemlje guši diktatorstvo.

We need movements to be more effective.

Pokreti moraju biti djelotvorniji.

Now, some people have argued that the problem is

Neki ljudi smatraju da je problem

today's movements are not formed of people who take as many risks as before,

današnjih pokreta taj što pokretači ne riskiraju kao prije,

and that is not true.

a to nije istina.

From Gezi to Tahrir to elsewhere,

Gezi, Tahrir i posvuda

I've seen people put their lives and livelihoods on the line.

vidjela sam da ljudi riskiraju živote i sve što imaju.

It's also not true, as Malcolm Gladwell claimed,

Također nije istina što tvrdi Malcolm Gladwell,

that today's protesters form weaker virtual ties.

a to je da su virtualne veze današnjih prosvjednika slabe.

No, they come to these protests, just like before,

Nije, zato što oni dolaze na prosvjede, baš kao i prije,

with their friends, existing networks,

s prijateljima,

and sometimes they do make new friends for life.

i nekada se povezuju s drugima i to potraje cijeli život.

I still see the friends that I made

Još viđam prijatelje koje sam upoznala

in those Zapatista-convened global protests more than a decade ago,

u onim Zaptista-sazvanim globalnim prosvjedima prije više od 10 godina,

and the bonds between strangers are not worthless.

a veze između stranaca nisu beskorisne.

When I got tear-gassed in Gezi,

Kada su bacali suzavac na mene u Geziju,

people I didn't know helped me and one another instead of running away.

pomogli su mi ljudi koji me ne znaju, pomagali su jedni drugima, a ne bježali.

In Tahrir, I saw people, protesters,

U Tahriru sam vidjela prosvjednike

working really hard to keep each other safe and protected.

koji su davali sve od sebe da zaštite druge prosvjednike.

And digital awareness-raising is great,

Buđenje pomoću digitalizacije je super

because changing minds is the bedrock of changing politics.

jer je promjena načina razmišljanja temelj za promjenu politike.

But movements today have to move beyond participation at great scale very fast

Današnji se pokreti moraju brzo razvijati

and figure out how to think together collectively,

i naučiti kako kolektivno razmišljati,

develop strong policy proposals, create consensus,

razviti jake prijedloge za politiku, stvarati konsenzuse,

figure out the political steps and relate them to leverage,

shvatiti političke korake i kako njima ostvariti nadmoć

because all these good intentions and bravery and sacrifice by itself

jer sama dobra namjera, hrabrost i žrtva

are not going to be enough.

neće biti dovoljne.

And there are many efforts.

A mnogo se pokušava.

In New Zealand, a group of young people are developing a platform called Loomio

U Novom Zelandu skupina mladih razvija platformu Loomio

for participatory decision making at scale.

za sudjelovanje u donošenju odluka.

In Turkey, 140Journos are holding hack-a-thons

U Turskoj 140Journos održavaju programerski maraton

so that they support communities as well as citizen journalism.

i time podržavaju zajednice i gradske novinare.

In Argentina, an open-source platform called DemocracyOS

U Argentini besplatna platforma DemocracyOS

is bringing participation to parliaments and political parties.

omogućuje sudjelovanje u parlamentu i političkim strankama.

These are all great, and we need more,

Sve je to sjajno, ali treba nam više

but the answer won't just be better online decision-making,

jer odgovor neće biti samo bolje online donošenje odluka

because to update democracy, we are going to need to innovate at every level,

jer, da bismo unaprijedili demokraciju, moramo napredovati na svim razinama,

from the organizational to the political to the social.

od ogranizacijske, političke do društvene.

Because to succeed over the long term,

Jer, za dugoročan uspjeh

sometimes you do need tea without sugar

nekad moramo piti čaj bez šećera

along with your Twitter.

dok smo na Twitteru.

Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)