Can you solve the frog riddle? - Derek Abbott

8,356,288 views ・ 2016-02-29

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Prevodilac: Marija Kojić Lektor: Jelena Kovačević
00:07
So you're stranded in a huge rainforest, and you've eaten a poisonous mushroom.
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Dakle, zalutali ste u ogromnoj prašumi i pojeli ste otrovnu pečurku.
00:13
To save your life, you need the antidote excreted by a certain species of frog.
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Da biste spasili život, treba vam protivotrov
koji luči određena vrsta žabe.
Nažalost, samo ženka ove vrste proizvodi protivotrov,
00:19
Unfortunately, only the female of the species produces the antidote,
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00:23
and to make matters worse,
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i da sve bude još gore,
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the male and female occur in equal numbers and look identical,
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mužjak i ženka su zastupljeni u istom broju i izgledaju identično,
00:30
with no way for you to tell them apart,
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i ne postoji način da ih razlikujete,
00:32
except that the male has a distinctive croak.
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osim što mužjak ima specifičan kreket.
00:36
And it may just be your lucky day.
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Danas je možda vaš srećan dan.
00:38
To your left, you've spotted a frog on a tree stump,
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Sa vaše leve strane, primetili ste žabu na panju,
00:41
but before you start running to it,
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no, pre nego što potrčite ka njoj,
00:43
you're startled by the croak of a male frog
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uplaši vas kreket mužjaka ove žabe
00:46
coming from a clearing in the opposite direction.
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koji dolazi sa proplanka iz drugog pravca.
00:49
There, you see two frogs,
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Tamo, vidite dve žabe,
00:51
but you can't tell which one made the sound.
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no, ne možete znati koja je proizvela zvuk.
00:54
You feel yourself starting to lose consciousness,
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Osećate da počinjete da gubite svest,
00:57
and realize you only have time to go in one direction before you collapse.
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i shvatate da imate vremena da krenete samo u jednom pravcu
pre nego što kolabirate.
01:02
What are your chances of survival if you head for the clearing
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Kolike su vaše šanse da preživite ako se uputite ka proplanku
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and lick both of the frogs there?
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i poližete obe žabe tamo?
01:08
What about if you go to the tree stump?
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Kolike su vaše šanse ako krenete ka panju?
01:10
Which way should you go?
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Na koju stranu bi trebalo da idete?
01:12
Press pause now to calculate odds yourself.
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[Pauzirajte sada da sami izračunate verovatnoće.]
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Ako ste izabrali da odete do proplanka,
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If you chose to go to the clearing, you're right,
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u pravu ste,
01:20
but the hard part is correctly calculating your odds.
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no, teško je tačno izračunati vaše šanse.
Postoje dva uobičajna načina da netačno rešite ovaj problem.
01:24
There are two common incorrect ways of solving this problem.
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01:28
Wrong answer number one:
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Prvi pogrešan odgovor:
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Assuming there's a roughly equal number of males and females,
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ako pretpostavimo da otprilike postoji jednak broj mužjaka i ženki,
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the probability of any one frog being either sex is one in two,
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verovatnoća da bilo koja od žaba bude bilo kog pola je jedan prema dva,
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which is 0.5, or 50%.
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što čini 0,5 ili 50%.
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And since all frogs are independent of each other,
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Budući da su sve žabe nezavisne jedna od druge,
šanse da bilo koja od njih bude ženka ipak bi bile 50% pri svakom izboru.
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the chance of any one of them being female should still be 50% each time you choose.
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01:49
This logic actually is correct for the tree stump,
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Ova logika zapravo jeste tačna za panj,
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but not for the clearing.
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ali ne i za proplanak.
01:54
Wrong answer two:
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Drugi pogrešan odgovor:
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First, you saw two frogs in the clearing.
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prvo, videli ste dve žabe na proplanku.
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Now you've learned that at least one of them is male,
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Sada znate
da je najmanje jedna od njih mužjak,
02:00
but what are the chances that both are?
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no koje su šanse da su to obe žabe?
02:03
If the probability of each individual frog being male is 0.5,
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Ako je verovatnoća
da je svaka pojedinačna žaba mužjak 0,5,
02:07
then multiplying the two together will give you 0.25,
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kada tu verovatnoću pomnožimo
dobijamo 0,25,
02:11
which is one in four, or 25%.
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što je jedan prema četiri, ili 25%.
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So, you have a 75% chance of getting at least one female
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Dakle, imate 75% šanse da naiđete na makar jednu ženku
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and receiving the antidote.
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i dobijete protivotrov.
02:21
So here's the right answer.
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Dakle, evo pravog odgovora.
02:23
Going for the clearing gives you a two in three chance of survival,
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Ako krenete ka proplanku imate šansu dva prema tri da preživite,
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or about 67%.
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ili oko 67%.
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If you're wondering how this could possibly be right,
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Ako se pitate
kako ovo uopšte može biti tačno,
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it's because of something called conditional probability.
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to je zbog nečega što se zove uslovna verovatnoća.
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Let's see how it unfolds.
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Hajde da vidimo kako ona funkcioniše.
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When we first see the two frogs,
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Kada prvi put vidimo dve žabe,
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there are several possible combinations of male and female.
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postoji nekoliko mogućih kombinacija
mužjaka i ženki.
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If we write out the full list,
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Ako napišemo ceo spisak,
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we have what mathematicians call the sample space,
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dobijamo ono što matematičari zovu prostorom elementarnih ishoda,
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and as we can see,
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i kao što možemo da vidimo,
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out of the four possible combinations, only one has two males.
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od četiri moguće kombinacije, samo jedna ima dva mužjaka.
02:53
So why was the answer of 75% wrong?
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Zašto je onda 75% pogrešan odgovor?
02:57
Because the croak gives us additional information.
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Zato što nam je kreket dao dodatnu informaciju.
03:00
As soon as we know that one of the frogs is male,
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Budući da znamo da je jedna žaba mužjak,
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that tells us there can't be a pair of females,
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to nam govori da ne možemo dobiti par ženki,
što znači da možemo eliminisati
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which means we can eliminate that possibility from the sample space,
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tu mogućnost
iz prostora elementarnih ishoda,
što nam ostavlja tri moguće kombinacije.
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leaving us with three possible combinations.
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03:12
Of them, one still has two males,
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Od te tri, jedna još uvek nudi dva mužjaka,
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giving us our two in three, or 67% chance of getting a female.
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što iznosi dva prema tri, ili 67% šanse da dobijemo ženku.
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This is how conditional probability works.
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Ovako funkcioniše uslovna verovatnoća.
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You start off with a large sample space that includes every possibility.
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Počnete od obimnog prostora elementarnih ishoda
koji uključuje svaku mogućnost.
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But every additional piece of information allows you to eliminate possibilities,
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No sve dodatne informacije vam dozvoljavaju
da eliminišete mogućnosti,
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shrinking the sample space
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što umanjuje prostor elementarnih ishoda
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and increasing the probability of getting a particular combination.
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i povećava verovatnoću da dobijete određenu kombinaciju.
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The point is that information affects probability.
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Smisao je u tome da informacije utiču na verovatnoću.
03:43
And conditional probability isn't just the stuff of abstract mathematical games.
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Uslovna verovatnoća nije samo korisna u apstraktnim matematičkim igrama.
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It pops up in the real world, as well.
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Pojavljuje se i u stvarnom svetu.
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Computers and other devices use conditional probability
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Kompjuteri u drugi uređaji koriste uslovnu verovatnoću
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to detect likely errors in the strings of 1's and 0's
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da otkriju moguće greške u nizovima jedinica i nula
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that all our data consists of.
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od koji nam se sastoje datoteke.
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And in many of our own life decisions,
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Kao i u mnogim životnim odlukama,
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we use information gained from past experience and our surroundings
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koristimo informacije dobijene kroz prošla iskustva i okolinu
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to narrow down our choices to the best options
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da suzimo izbore na najbolje
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so that maybe next time,
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tako da možda sledeći put,
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we can avoid eating that poisonous mushroom in the first place.
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možemo izbeći da uopšte i pojedemo tu otrovnu pečurku.
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