What almost dying taught me about living | Suleika Jaouad

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Melody Tang
00:12
It was the spring of 2011,
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2011 年春天,
00:15
and as they like to say in commencement speeches,
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套用大家在畢業典禮 演說中很喜歡用的說法,
00:18
I was getting ready to enter the real world.
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我準備好要進入真實的世界。
00:22
I had recently graduated from college
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我剛從大學畢業,
00:25
and moved to Paris to start my first job.
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搬到巴黎,開始我的第一份工作。
00:28
My dream was to become a war correspondent,
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我曾夢想成為戰地記者,
00:32
but the real world that I found
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但,我發現的真實世界,
00:35
took me into a really different kind of conflict zone.
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帶我進入了一個 非常不同的衝突地帶。
00:40
At 22 years old,
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22 歲時,
00:43
I was diagnosed with leukemia.
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我被診斷出白血病。
00:46
The doctors told me and my parents, point-blank,
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醫生直截了當地告訴我和我父母,
00:50
that I had about a 35 percent chance of long-term survival.
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我能長期存活的機率是 35% 。
00:56
I couldn't wrap my head around what that prognosis meant.
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我無法去想那預後所代表的意義。
01:00
But I understood that the reality and the life I'd imagined for myself
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但我了解,我曾想像 自己可以擁有的現實和人生
01:05
had shattered.
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都粉碎了。
01:07
Overnight, I lost my job, my apartment, my independence,
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一夕之間,我失去了我的工作、 我的公寓、我的獨立性,
01:12
and I became patient number 5624.
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而我成為 5624 號病人。
01:18
Over the next four years of chemo, a clinical trial
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接下來四年的化療、臨床實驗,
01:22
and a bone marrow transplant,
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以及骨髓移植,
01:24
the hospital became my home,
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讓醫院成了我的家、
01:26
my bed, the place I lived 24/7.
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我的床,我一天 24 小時, 一週 7 天都住在此。
01:30
Since it was unlikely that I'd ever get better,
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因為我似乎不可能變好,
01:33
I had to accept my new reality.
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我得要接受我的新現實。
01:37
And I adapted.
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我適應了。
01:40
I became fluent in medicalese,
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我會說流利的醫療語言,
01:43
made friends with a group of other young cancer patients,
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和一群年輕的癌症病人成為朋友,
01:48
built a vast collection of neon wigs
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收集了大量的亮麗假髮,
01:52
and learned to use my rolling IV pole as a skateboard.
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並學會把我那支有輪子的點滴架 當成滑板來玩。
01:59
I even achieved my dream of becoming a war correspondent,
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我甚至達成了當戰地記者的夢想,
02:03
although not in the way I'd expected.
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不過不是我預期的樣子。
02:06
It started with a blog,
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一開始是一個部落格,
02:07
reporting from the front lines of my hospital bed,
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從我的醫院病床前線報導,
02:10
and it morphed into a column I wrote for the New York Times,
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後來演變成我為 《紐約時報》寫的一個專欄,
02:14
called "Life, Interrupted."
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叫做「人生,被打斷」。
02:16
But -- (Applause)
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但——(掌聲)謝謝。
02:17
Thank you.
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02:19
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:21
But above all else,
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但最重要的,
02:23
my focus was on surviving.
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我把焦點放在活下來這件事上,
02:27
And -- spoiler alert --
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且——警告,有雷——
02:30
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:32
I did survive, yeah.
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我活下來了,沒錯。
02:34
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:39
Thanks to an army of supportive humans,
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感謝一大群支持我的人,
02:42
I'm not just still here, I am cured of my cancer.
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我不僅還健在, 我的癌症也治癒了。
02:46
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:48
Thank you.
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謝謝。
02:49
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:51
So, when you go through a traumatic experience like this,
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當你走過像這樣的創傷經歷,
02:55
people treat you differently.
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大家對待你的方式會不同。
02:57
They start telling you how much of an inspiration you are.
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他們會開始告訴你, 你很激勵人心,
03:02
They say you're a warrior.
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說你是生命鬥士,
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They call you a hero,
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或稱你為英雄,
03:06
someone who's lived the mythical hero's journey,
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一名活出神話英雄般冒險的偉人,
03:09
who's endured impossible trials
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撐過了不可能的試煉,
03:11
and, against the odds, lived to tell the tale,
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克服萬難後,活下來訴說這個事蹟。
03:14
returning better and braver for what you're been through.
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在你經歷過後變得更好、更勇敢。
03:19
And this definitely lines up with my experience.
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而這非常符合我所經歷的一切。
03:24
Cancer totally transformed my life.
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癌症徹底改變了我的人生。
03:26
I left the hospital knowing exactly who I was
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離開醫院時, 我很清楚知道我是誰,
03:29
and what I wanted to do in the world.
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及我想要在這個世界上做什麼。
03:31
And now, every day as the sun rises,
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現在,每天太陽升起時,
03:34
I drink a big glass of celery juice,
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在我喝完一大杯西芹汁後,
03:37
and I follow this up with 90 minutes of yoga.
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我會做 90 分鐘的瑜伽。
03:40
Then, I write down 50 things I'm grateful for onto a scroll of paper
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接著,我會在紙卷上寫下 我感激的 50 件事物,
03:46
that I fold into an origami crane and send sailing out my window.
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然後摺成紙鶴, 讓它從我的窗戶翱翔出去。
03:51
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:53
Are you seriously believing any of this?
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你們真的相信這些嗎?
03:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:58
I don't do any of these things.
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剛剛說的我一樣也沒有做。
04:00
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:01
I hate yoga, and I have no idea how to fold an origami crane.
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我討厭做瑜伽, 也不知道怎麼摺紙鶴。
04:07
The truth is that for me,
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事實是,對我而言,
04:09
the hardest part of my cancer experience began once the cancer was gone.
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最艱難的癌症經歷 在我治好癌症後才真正的開始。
04:15
That heroic journey of the survivor we see in movies
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我們在電影中、在 IG 上會看到
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and watch play out on Instagram --
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倖存者的英勇旅程——
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it's a myth.
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那只是迷思。
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It isn't just untrue, it's dangerous,
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它不僅不是真的,還很危險,
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because it erases the very real challenges of recovery.
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因為它會抹除了康復過程中 最現實的挑戰。
04:29
Now, don't get me wrong -- I am incredibly grateful to be alive,
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別誤會我的意思——
我很感恩我還能活著
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and I am painfully aware that this struggle is a privilege
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我深刻地了解這種掙扎
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that many don't get to experience.
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是許多人無法體會到的特權。
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But it's important that I tell you
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但,很重要的是,我要讓各位了解
04:43
what this projection of heroism and expectation of constant gratitude
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這種將英雄主義投射在 嘗試復元的人身上,
並認為他們應時時抱持感恩的 期望,對他們有什麼影響。
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does to people who are trying to recover.
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04:51
Because being cured is not where the work of healing ends.
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因為病被治好了並不表示 療癒的工作已完成了。
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It's where it begins.
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療癒其實才剛開始。
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I'll never forget the day I was discharged from the hospital,
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我永遠不會忘記我出院的那一天,
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finally done with treatment.
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終於不用再治療了。
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Those four years of chemo had taken a toll on my relationship
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化療的那四年傷害了
我和多年男友的關係,
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with my longtime boyfriend,
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05:14
and he'd recently moved out.
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他不久前才搬出去。
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And when I walked into my apartment, it was quiet.
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我走進我的公寓,裡面好安靜。
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Eerily so.
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怪異恐怖式的安靜。
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The person I wanted to call in this moment,
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此刻,我想打電話聊天的對象,
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the person who I knew would understand everything,
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我知道能懂我的那個人,
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was my friend Melissa.
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是我的朋友梅莉莎。
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She was a fellow cancer patient,
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她也是癌症病人,
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but she had died three weeks earlier.
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但她在三星期前過世了。
05:38
As I stood there in the doorway of my apartment,
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當我站在我的公寓的門廊時,
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I wanted to cry.
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我好想哭。
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But I was too tired to cry.
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但我已經累到哭不出來。
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The adrenaline was gone.
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腎上腺素沒了。
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I had felt as if the inner scaffolding
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我覺得,從我被診斷出癌症之後
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that had held me together since my diagnosis
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就一直支撐著我的內在支架,
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had suddenly crumbled.
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突然瓦解了。
05:56
I had spent the past 1,500 days working tirelessly to achieve one goal:
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我不屈不撓地把過去 一千五百天都投入在
達成一個目標上:活下來。
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to survive.
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06:04
And now that I'd done so,
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現在我已經辦到了,
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I realized I had absolutely no idea how to live.
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我發現我完全 不知道要如何活下去。
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On paper, of course, I was better:
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從書面資料來看,我的確變好了:
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I didn't have leukemia,
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我沒有白血病了,
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my blood counts were back to normal,
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我的血球數恢復正常,
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and the disability checks soon stopped coming.
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也不再收到身障給付支票。
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To the outside world,
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對外界來說,
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I clearly didn't belong in the kingdom of the sick anymore.
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我很顯然不再是 病人王國的一份子。
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But in reality, I never felt further from being well.
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但在現實中,我一點都沒有 覺得自己已經好了。
06:34
All that chemo had taken a permanent physical toll on my body.
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那些化療讓我的身體 受到永久的實體損害。
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I wondered, "What kind of job can I hold
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我納悶:「我這種人 能找到什麼工作?
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when I need to nap for four hours in the middle of the day?
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我白天需要午睡四個小時。
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When my misfiring immune system
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我的免疫系統不時會出錯,
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still sends me to the ER on a regular basis?"
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讓我經常被送去急診。」
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And then there were the invisible, psychological imprints
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而且,我的疾病還留下了
看不見的心理烙印:
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my illness had left behind:
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the fears of relapse,
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對疾病復發的恐懼、
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the unprocessed grief,
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沒有處理的悲傷、
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the demons of PTSD that descended upon me for days, sometimes weeks.
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有時會持續數日甚至數週的 「創傷後壓力症候群」。
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See, we talk about reentry
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大家談的重返社會,
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in the context of war and incarceration.
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是針對經歷過戰爭 和被監禁的人而言。
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But we don't talk about it as much
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但我們不太會談到
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in the context of other kinds of traumatic experiences, like an illness.
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其他類型的創傷經歷,如疾病。
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Because no one had warned me of the challenges of reentry,
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因為沒有人警告過我 重返社會要面臨的挑戰,
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I thought something must be wrong with me.
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我以為是我自己的問題。
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I felt ashamed,
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我感到羞愧,
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and with great guilt, I kept reminding myself
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帶著很強的罪惡感, 我不斷提醒我自己,
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of how lucky I was to be alive at all,
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我光是能活著就很幸運了,
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when so many people like my friend Melissa were not.
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我的朋友梅莉莎, 還有好多人沒有這種好運。
07:42
But on most days, I woke up feeling so sad and lost,
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但在大部分的日子裡, 我每天起床都很悲傷和失落,
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I could barely breathe.
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而且幾乎無法呼吸。
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Sometimes, I even fantasized about getting sick again.
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有時,我甚至會幻想再次生病。
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And let me tell you,
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讓我告訴各位,
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there are so many better things to fantasize about
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當你二十多歲,且剛恢復單身時,
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when you're in your twenties and recently single.
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其實有許多更好的事情可以幻想。
08:01
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:03
But I missed the hospital's ecosystem.
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但我懷念醫院的生活。
08:07
Like me, everyone in there was broken.
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在醫院,所有人都跟我一樣破碎。
08:10
But out here, among the living, I felt like an impostor,
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但在外頭,在活著的人當中, 我覺得自己像個騙子,
08:15
overwhelmed and unable to function.
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不知所從,無法正常運作。
08:18
I also missed the sense of clarity I'd felt at my sickest.
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我也懷念在我病得最重時的清澈感。
08:23
Staring your mortality straight in the eye has a way of simplifying things,
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直視著你有限的生命, 讓一切變得更簡單,
08:28
of rerouting your focus to what really matters.
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讓你把焦點放到真正重要之處。
08:32
And when I was sick, I vowed that if I survived,
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我生病時,我發誓如果我活下來, 一定要為了什麼而活,
08:35
it had to be for something.
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08:36
It had to be to live a good life, an adventurous life,
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一定要好好過人生, 過一個冒險的人生、
08:39
a meaningful one.
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一個有意義的人生。
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But the question, once I was cured,
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但我被治癒之後, 問題就變成:要怎麼做呢?
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became: How?
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08:46
I was 27 years old with no job, no partner, no structure.
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我二十七歲,沒有工作、 沒有伴侶、生活沒有架構。
08:51
And this time, I didn't have treatment protocols or discharge instructions
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這次,沒有治療大綱或出院指示
08:56
to help guide my way forward.
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來協助引導我向前走。
08:58
But what I did have was an in-box full of internet messages
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但,我所擁有的, 是收件匣中裝滿了
來自陌生人的網路訊息。
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from strangers.
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09:06
Over the years,
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數年來,世界各地的人 讀了我的專欄之後,
09:08
people from all over the world had read my column,
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09:10
and they'd responded with letters, comments and emails.
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會用信件、留言、 電子郵件來回應我。
09:16
It was a mix, as is often the case, for writers.
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那對於作家來說是大雜燴。
09:21
I got a lot of unsolicited advice
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我得到許多不請自來的建議,
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about how to cure my cancer with things like essential oils.
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告訴我要如何用像是精油 之類的東西來治療我的癌症。
09:29
I got some questions about my bra size.
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還有人問我的胸罩尺寸。
09:32
But mostly --
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但,大部分——
09:34
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:35
mostly, I heard from people who, in their own different way,
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大部分寫信給我的人 都是用他們自己的方式,
09:40
understood what it was that I was going through.
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來理解我所經歷的。
09:43
I heard from a teenage girl in Florida
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有位佛羅里達的青少女聯絡我,
09:46
who, like me, was coming out of chemo
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她跟我一樣,剛結束化療,
09:48
and wrote me a message composed largely of emojis.
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她寫給我的訊息主要 是由表情符號組成的。
09:53
I heard from a retired art history professor in Ohio named Howard,
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還有一位是俄亥俄州的 退休藝術史教授霍華,
09:59
who'd spent most of his life
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他一生中大部分的時間
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struggling with a mysterious, debilitating health condition
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都在對抗一種使他 逐漸衰弱的神秘疾病,
10:04
that he'd had from the time he was a young man.
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他從年輕時就得到這種病。
10:07
I heard from an inmate on death row in Texas
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還有一位德州的死囚,
10:12
by the name of Little GQ --
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叫做小 GQ——
10:14
short for "Gangster Quinn."
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GQ 是「幫派混混昆恩」的縮寫。
10:17
He'd never been sick a day in his life.
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他一生中都沒有生過病。
10:19
He does 1,000 push-ups to start off each morning.
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每天早晨他從做 一千個伏地挺身開始。
10:22
But he related to what I described in one column
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但我在一個專欄中寫的內容,
10:25
as my "incanceration,"
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讓他感同身受到是 我的「癌症監禁」,
10:27
and to the experience of being confined to a tiny fluorescent room.
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讓我被侷限在一個 小小的螢光房間中。
10:33
"I know that our situations are different," he wrote to me,
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他信上這麼寫著: 「我知道我們的情況不同,
10:37
"But the threat of death lurks in both of our shadows."
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但死亡的威脅 在我們的影子裡虎視眈眈。」
10:43
In those lonely first weeks and months of my recovery,
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在我恢復後的前幾週、 幾個月,我十分寂寞,
10:47
these strangers and their words became lifelines,
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這些陌生人和他們的 話語成了我的生命線,
10:51
dispatches from people of so many different backgrounds,
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雖然是來自背景如此迥然不同的人,
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with so many different experiences,
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有這麼多不同的經歷,
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all showing me the same thing:
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他們卻都告訴我同樣一件事:
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you can be held hostage
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你可以被你所遇到過 最糟糕的事情給綁架,
11:03
by the worst thing that's ever happened to you
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11:06
and allow it to hijack your remaining days,
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並讓它挾持你所有剩下的日子,
11:10
or you can find a way forward.
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或者,你可以找到 一個向前走的方式。
11:14
I knew I needed to make some kind of change.
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我知道我需要做某種改變。
11:18
I wanted to be in motion again
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我想要再次動起來,
11:21
to figure out how to unstuck myself and to get back out into the world.
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想辦法讓自己從現狀脫身, 回到外面的世界。
11:26
And so I decided to go on a real journey --
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所以我決定踏上 一段真正的旅行——
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not the bullshit cancer one
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不是大家認為我應該去做的
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or the mythical hero's journey that everyone thought I should be on,
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狗屁癌症之旅或神話英雄之旅,
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but a real, pack-your-bags kind of journey.
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而是真正要打包的那種旅行。
11:42
I put everything I owned into storage,
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我把我擁有的所有東西 都放到儲藏室,
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rented out my apartment, borrowed a car
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把我的公寓租出去,借了一台車,
11:50
and talked a very a dear but somewhat smelly friend
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說服了一個很親密 但又有點臭的朋友,
11:55
into joining me.
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去伴隨我的旅行。
11:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:59
Together, my dog Oscar and I embarked on a 15,000-mile road trip
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我和我的狗奧斯卡一起展開了
一萬五千英里的全美公路之旅。
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around the United States.
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Along the way, we visited some of those strangers who'd written to me.
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一路上,我們去拜訪了 一些寫信給我的陌生人。
12:12
I needed their advice,
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我需要他們的建議,
12:14
also to say to them, thank you.
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也需要對他們說聲謝謝。
12:17
I went to Ohio and stayed with Howard, the retired professor.
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我們去俄亥俄州, 住在退休教授霍華家。
12:23
When you've suffered a loss or a trauma,
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當你失去過或是受過創傷,
12:26
the impulse can be to guard your heart.
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自然會築起心防。
12:29
But Howard urged me to open myself up to uncertainty,
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但霍華鼓勵我打開自己, 去面對不確定性,
12:33
to the possibilities of new love, new loss.
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面對新的機會, 不論是新愛或是新的失去。
12:38
Howard will never be cured of illness.
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霍華的疾病永遠不會好。
12:41
And as a young man, he had no way of predicting how long he'd live.
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年輕時,他完全無法 預測他能活多久。
12:44
But that didn't stop him from getting married.
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但那並沒有阻止他結婚。
12:47
Howard has grandkids now,
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現在霍華都有孫子了,
12:49
and takes weekly ballroom dancing lessons with his wife.
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每週還會跟太太去上交際舞的課。
12:53
When I visited them,
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我拜訪他們時,
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they’d recently celebrated their 50th anniversary.
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他們才剛慶祝完結婚五十週年。
12:59
In his letter to me, he'd written,
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他給我的信上寫到:
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"Meaning is not found in the material realm;
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「你無法在物質王國找到意義;
13:05
it's not in dinner, jazz, cocktails or conversation.
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它並不存在於晚餐、爵士樂、 雞尾酒,或對話當中。
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Meaning is what's left when everything else is stripped away."
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當所有其他的一切都被奪去時, 剩下的才是意義。」
13:14
I went to Texas, and I visited Little GQ on death row.
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我去德州拜訪了死囚小 GQ。
13:19
He asked me what I did to pass all that time
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他問我,我在醫院病房時
13:23
I'd spent in a hospital room.
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怎麼打發時間。
13:26
When I told him that I got really, really good at Scrabble,
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我告訴他,我把拼字遊戲 玩到出神入化,
13:30
he said, "Me, too!" and explained how,
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他說:「我也是!」並解釋,
13:34
even though he spends most of his days in solitary confinement,
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雖然他大部分的時間 都待在單獨監禁室,
13:37
he and his neighboring prisoners make board games out of paper
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他和附近的囚犯仍然 想辦法在紙上玩桌遊,
13:41
and call out their plays through their meal slots --
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透過送餐的小洞口喊出 他們的下一步棋——
13:45
a testament to the incredible tenacity of the human spirit
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證明了人類精神的堅韌,
13:51
and our ability to adapt with creativity.
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以及我們透過創意來適應的能力。
13:56
And my last stop was in Florida,
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我的最後一站是佛羅里達州,
13:58
to see that teenage girl who'd sent me all those emojis.
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去拜訪寫給我一堆 表情符號的青少女。
14:02
Her name is Unique, which is perfect,
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她的名字很完美, 叫做尤妮克(獨特),
14:05
because she's the most luminous, curious person I've ever met.
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因為她是我所見過最光芒四射、 最有好奇心的人。
14:10
I asked her what she wants to do next and she said,
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我問她,她接下來 想要做什麼,她說:
14:13
"I want to go to college and travel
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「我想要讀大學,去旅行,
14:15
and eat weird foods like octopus that I've never tasted before
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吃我以前從來沒有嚐過的 怪異食物,像章魚,
14:18
and come visit you in New York
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以及到紐約拜訪你,
14:20
and go camping, but I'm scared of bugs,
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然後去露營,但我很怕蟲子,
14:22
but I still want to go camping."
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但我仍然想要去露營。」
14:25
I was in awe of her,
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她讓我很敬佩,
14:28
that she could be so optimistic and so full of plans for the future,
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她能如此樂觀, 對未來有滿滿的計畫,
14:33
given everything she'd been through.
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且是在她經歷過這麼多病苦之後。
14:36
But as Unique showed me,
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但尤妮克讓我看到的是,
14:37
it is far more radical and dangerous to have hope
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擁有希望,比起活在恐懼中, 遠遠來得更激進、更危險。
14:42
than to live hemmed in by fear.
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14:46
But the most important thing I learned on that road trip
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但,我從這次公路之旅 所學到最重要的一課,
14:51
is that the divide between the sick and the well --
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就是生病和健康之間的劃分——
14:55
it doesn't exist.
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並不存在。
14:57
The border is porous.
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這條界線是能滲透的。
14:59
As we live longer and longer,
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隨著我們越活越久,
15:01
surviving illnesses and injuries that would have killed our grandparents,
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從可能會讓我們祖父母,甚至父母
致命的疾病和傷害中存活下來,
15:05
even our parents,
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15:07
the vast majority of us will travel back and forth between these realms,
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我們大部分人都會 在這兩邊之間來來回回,
15:11
spending much of our lives somewhere between the two.
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我們一生大部分的時間, 都會待在兩邊之間。
15:16
These are the terms of our existence.
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這些,就是我們存在的條件。
15:20
Now, I wish I could say that since coming home from my road trip,
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我也希望我能夠說, 從我的公路之旅回來之後,
15:24
I feel fully healed.
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我就完全被治癒了。
15:26
I don't.
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但並沒有。
15:28
But once I stopped expecting myself
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但一旦我不再期望我自己
15:31
to return to the person I'd been pre-diagnosis,
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回到我過去被診斷前的那個人,
15:35
once I learned to accept my body and its limitations,
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一旦我學會接受 我的身體和它的限制,
15:40
I actually did start to feel better.
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我就真的開始感覺比較好了。
15:43
And in the end, I think that's the trick:
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最終,我想這就是關鍵吧:
15:47
to stop seeing our health as binary,
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不要把我們的健康視為是二元的,
15:50
between sick and healthy,
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只分成生病跟健康,
15:52
well and unwell,
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好跟不好,
15:54
whole and broken;
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完整跟破碎;
15:55
to stop thinking that there's some beautiful, perfect state of wellness
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不要再認為有某種美麗、 完美的健康狀態
16:00
to strive for;
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要努力去追求;
16:01
and to quit living in a state of constant dissatisfaction
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不要再用一種沒達到這個目標
就不能滿足的狀態來過日子。
16:05
until we reach it.
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16:08
Every single one of us will have our life interrupted,
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我們每一個人,都會遇到 人生被打斷的時候,
16:14
whether it's by the rip cord of a diagnosis
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不論是因為被診斷結果撕裂,
16:16
or some other kind of heartbreak or trauma that brings us to the floor.
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或某種心碎或創傷讓我們陷入谷底。
16:22
We need to find ways to live in the in-between place,
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我們得要找到在 中間地帶生活的方法,
16:27
managing whatever body and mind we currently have.
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盡量去應用我們現有的身和心, 不論它們的狀況如何。
16:32
Sometimes, all it takes is the ingenuity of a handmade game of Scrabble
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有時,需要的就只是 手製拼字遊戲的巧思,
16:39
or finding that stripped-down kind of meaning in the love of family
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在家人的愛當中
16:43
and a night on the ballroom dance floor,
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和在舞池地板上的夜晚,
16:46
or that radical, dangerous hope
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或是那個激進、危險的希望 找到最根本的意義,
16:49
that I'm guessing will someday lead a teenage girl terrified of bugs
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我想可能有一天,這樣的希望 會引領一名害怕蟲子的青少女
16:53
to go camping.
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去露營。
16:55
If you're able to do that,
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如果你能做到這些,
16:57
then you've taken the real hero's journey.
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那麼你就已經完成了 真正的英雄之旅。
17:01
You've achieved what it means to actually be well,
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你已經達成了真正健康的意義,
17:06
which is to say: alive, in the messiest, richest, most whole sense.
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也就是:在最混亂、最豐富、 最完整的意義上,活著。
17:13
Thank you, that's all I've got.
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謝謝!我要講的就是這些了。
17:14
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
17:17
Thank you.
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謝謝!
17:18
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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