How Africa can keep rising | Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala

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譯者: Nan Liu 審譯者: SF Huang
00:12
The narrative of a rising Africa is being challenged.
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崛起中的非洲, 這個說法正面臨著考驗。
00:16
About 10 years ago, I spoke about an Africa,
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大約 10 年前,我談到非洲,
00:20
an Africa of hope and opportunity,
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一個充滿希望和機會的非洲,
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an Africa of entrepreneurs,
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一個企業家遍佈的非洲,
00:25
an Africa very different from the Africa that you normally hear about
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一個與你們通常聽到 充斥著死亡、貧窮和疾病,
00:29
of death, poverty and disease.
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所截然不同的非洲。
00:31
And that what I spoke about,
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當時我所講述的內容,
00:33
became part of what is known now as the narrative of the rising Africa.
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成了當今崛起中非洲的 故事的一部分。
00:39
I want to tell you two stories about this rising Africa.
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我想給你們講兩個關於 崛起中的非洲的故事。
00:42
The first has to do with Rwanda,
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第一個和盧安達有關,
00:44
a country that has gone through many trials and tribulations.
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一個經歷了許多考驗和苦難的國家。
00:47
And Rwanda has decided to become the technology hub, or a technology hub
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盧安達決定成為科技的樞紐,
或者說是成為非洲大陸的科技樞紐。
00:52
on the continent.
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00:53
It's a country with mountainous and hilly terrain,
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盧安達是一個多山、多丘陵的地方,
00:56
a little bit like here,
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有一點兒像這裡,
00:58
so it's very difficult to deliver services to people.
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所以,要給民眾提供服務特別困難。
01:01
So what has Rwanda said?
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那麼盧安達說了什麼呢?
01:03
In order to save lives, it's going to try using drones
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為了挽救生命,盧安達將使用無人機
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to deliver lifesaving drugs, vaccines and blood
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把救命藥品、疫苗和血液,
01:09
to people in hard-to-reach places
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空運給住在偏遠地區的人們,
01:12
in partnership with a company called Zipline,
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同時與 Zipline 公司,
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with UPS, and also with the Gavi, a global vaccine alliance.
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UPS 快遞,和 Gavi 全球疫苗聯盟合作,
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In doing this, it will save lives.
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藉此挽救生命。
01:21
This is part of the type of innovation we want to see in the rising Africa.
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這是我們想要在崛起中的非洲, 所見到的一種創新形式。
01:26
The second story has to do with something
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第二個故事,
01:29
that I'm sure most of you have seen or will remember.
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我確信你們大多數人 都見過或記得的事。
01:32
Very often, countries in Africa suffer drought and floods,
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非洲國家經常遭遇旱災和水災,
01:36
and it's getting more frequent because of climate change effects.
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而且因為氣候變化的影響, 它們發生的頻率越來越高。
01:40
When this happens, they normally wait for international appeals to raise money.
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當災害發生時,它們通常 等待國際呼籲來籌錢。
01:45
You see pictures of children with flies on their faces,
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你們見過蒼蠅在孩子臉上的照片,
01:49
carcasses of dead animals and so on.
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動物屍體的照片等。
01:51
Now these countries, 32 countries, came together
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現在這 32 個國家,
01:54
under the auspices of the African Union
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在非洲聯盟的幫助下,團結在一起,
01:57
and decided to form an organization called the African Risk Capacity.
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並且成立一個叫 「非洲風險承保能量」的組織。
02:02
What does it do?
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這個組織是做什麼的呢?
02:03
It's a weather-based insurance agency,
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它是一個以天氣風險 為根據的保險機構,
02:05
and what these countries do is to pay insurance each year,
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這些國家要做的就是 每年支付保險費,
02:10
about 3 million dollars a year of their own resources,
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每年各自支付大約 300 萬美元,
02:12
so that in the event they have a difficult drought situation or flood,
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當它們遇到嚴重的水、旱災時,
02:17
this money will be paid out to them,
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即可獲得理賠。
02:20
which they can then use to take care of their populations,
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它們可以用這筆錢來照顧人民,
02:23
instead of waiting for aid to come.
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而不是等待救援。
02:26
The African Risk Capacity last year paid 26 million dollars
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「非洲風險承保能量」組織, 去年支付了 2,600 萬美元
02:30
to Mauritania, Senegal and Niger.
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給茅利塔尼亞、塞內加爾和尼日。
02:32
This enabled them to take care of 1.3 million people affected by drought.
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幫助了受旱災影響的 130 萬人。
02:38
They were able to restore livelihoods,
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使他們可以重建生計,
02:40
buy fodder for cattle, feed children in school
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給牛買飼料,養活上學的孩子,
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and in short keep the populations home instead of migrating out of the area.
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總之,讓人們能夠留守家園, 而非迫遷他方。
02:49
So these are the kinds of stories
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這些就是關於非洲
02:51
of an Africa ready to take responsibility for itself,
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已經可以為自己負責,
02:54
and to look for solutions for its own problems.
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並為自己的問題尋求 解決辦法的故事。
02:57
But that narrative is being challenged now
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但是,那種說法現在面臨考驗。
03:00
because the continent has not been doing well in the last two years.
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因為,非洲大陸在過去的 兩年裡並沒有出色的表現。
03:05
It had been growing at five percent per annum
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雖然在過去的 15 年裡,
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for the last one and a half decades,
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它的經濟是以每年 5% 在增長。
03:10
but this year's forecast was three percent. Why?
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但是,今年的預測只有 3%。
03:12
In an uncertain global environment, commodity prices have fallen.
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為什麼呢?
在不穩定的全球環境下, 大宗商品價格下跌。
03:17
Many of the economies are still commodity driven,
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很多經濟體仍然靠大宗商品驅動,
03:20
and therefore their performance has slipped.
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所以它們的表現變差。
03:23
And now the issue of Brexit doesn't make it any easier.
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現在「英國脫歐」的問題, 沒有讓事情變得更輕鬆。
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I never knew that the Brexit could happen
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我從不知道 「英國脫歐」真的會發生,
03:31
and that it could be one of the things that would cause global uncertainty
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也不知道這會成為引起全球 不穩定的事件之一。
03:35
such as we have.
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正如我們一樣。
03:36
So now we've got this situation,
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身處在這樣的環境中,
03:38
and I think it's time to take stock
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我認為是該做全面分析的時候了,
03:41
and to say what were the things that the African countries did right?
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並談談哪些是非洲國家 做對了的事情?
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What did they do wrong?
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哪些是做錯了的?
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How do we build on all of this and learn lessons
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我們如何吸取成功的經驗 並記取失敗的教訓,
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so that we can keep Africa rising?
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讓非洲繼續地崛起呢?
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So let me talk about six things that I think we did right.
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那麼讓我來說說,我認為 我們做對了的六件事。
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The first is managing our economies better.
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第一件是我們把經濟管理得更好。
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The '80s and '90s were the lost decades, when Africa was not doing well,
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80 年代和 90 年代是迷失的年代, 當時非洲的狀況並不好,
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and some of you will remember an "Economist" cover
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你們有些人會想起 《經濟學人》的封面
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that said, "The Lost Continent."
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寫著《失落的大陸》。
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But in the 2000s, policymakers learned
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但是在 21 世紀的時候, 政策制定者意識到
04:16
that they needed to manage the macroeconomic environment better,
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他們需要把宏觀經濟環境 管理得更好,
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to ensure stability,
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以確保社會經濟的安定;
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keep inflation low in single digits,
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將通貨膨脹率維持在個位數的低點;
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keep their fiscal deficits low, below three percent of GDP,
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保持較低的財政赤字, 低於國內生產毛額的 3% 以下;
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give investors, both domestic and foreign,
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提供國內、外的投資者
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some stability so they'll have confidence to invest in these economies.
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穩定的投資環境, 使他們有信心來投資這些經濟體。
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So that was number one.
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這就是第一件。
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Two, debt.
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第二件,債務。
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In 1994, the debt-to-GDP ratio of African countries was 130 percent,
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1994 年,非洲國家債務占 國內生產毛額的比例達到 130%,
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and they didn't have fiscal space.
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它們沒有財政空間。
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They couldn't use their resources to invest in their development
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它們不能用自有的資源 來投資所需的發展,
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because they were paying debt.
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因為它們要還債。
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There may be some of you in this room who worked to support African countries
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在座的一些人, 可能曾為支持非洲國家
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to get debt relief.
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得到債務免除而努力過。
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So private creditors, multilaterals and bilaterals came together
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私人債權人、多邊和雙邊債權人,
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and decided to do the Highly Indebted Poor Countries Initiative
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共聚一起決定執行 「重債窮國倡議」,
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and give debt relief.
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給予非洲債務免除。
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So this debt relief in 2005
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因此,2005 年的債務免除,
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made the debt-to-GDP ratio fall down to about 30 percent,
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使債務占國內生產毛額的比例 降到 30% 左右,
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and there was enough resources to try and reinvest.
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讓這些國家有足夠的資源 來嘗試與再投資。
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The third thing was loss-making enterprises.
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第三件,虧損的企業。
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Governments were involved in business
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政府參與了
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which they had no business being in.
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與它們無關的生意。
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And they were running businesses, they were making losses.
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它們經營生意,造成了虧損。
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So some of these enterprises were restructured,
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這些企業,有些經由重組、
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commercialized, privatized or closed,
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商業化、私有化或者是關閉,
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and they became less of a burden on government.
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而減輕了政府的負擔。
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The fourth thing was a very interesting thing.
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第四件事,是一件很有趣的事。
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The telecoms revolution came,
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電信革命到來,
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and African countries jumped on it.
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非洲國家參與其中。
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In 2000, we had 11 million phone lines.
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2000 年,我們有 1,100 萬條電話線。
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Today, we have about 687 million mobile lines on the continent.
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現在,在非洲我們有 6 億 8,700 萬條行動電話線。
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And this has enabled us
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這使我們可以在
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to go, move forward with some mobile technology
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一些非洲已領先的電信科技上,
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where Africa is actually leading.
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持續向前邁進與發展。
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In Kenya, the development of mobile money --
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在肯亞,行動支付的發展──
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M-Pesa, which all of you have heard about --
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M-Pesa,你們都聽過的──
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it took some time for the world to notice that Africa was ahead
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經過一段時間,世界才注意到
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in this particular technology.
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非洲在這項科技上已經領先。
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And this mobile money is also providing a platform
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這個行動支付也為了
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for access to alternative energy.
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使用替代能源提供了一個平台。
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You know, people who can now pay for solar
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要知道,人們現在可以 用支付電話費的方式,
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the same way they pay for cards for their telephone.
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來支付太陽能的費用。
06:25
So this was a very good development, something that went right.
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所以這是一個非常好的發展, 朝正軌發展的好事。
06:30
We also invested more in education and health, not enough,
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我們也在教育和醫療保健上 投資了更多,
雖然還不夠,但是有進步了些。
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but there were some improvements.
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06:36
250 million children were immunized in the last one and a half decades.
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2 億 5,000 萬兒童 在過去 15 年內接種了疫苗。
06:42
The other thing was that conflicts decreased.
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另一件事是衝突減少了。
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There were many conflicts on the continent.
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非洲有很多衝突。
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Many of you are aware of that.
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你們很多人都知道。
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But they came down, and our leaders even managed to dampen some coups.
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但是衝突減弱了,我們的領袖 甚至能設法抑制政變。
06:54
New types of conflicts have emerged, and I'll refer to those later.
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新形式的衝突出現了, 我稍後會提及。
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So based on all this, there's also some differentiation on the continent
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基於上述,我也想讓你們了解,
非洲大陸上的一些分歧與差異。
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that I want you to know about,
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because even as the doom and gloom is here,
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因為儘管前景看似不樂觀,
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there are some countries -- Côte d'Ivoire, Kenya, Ethiopia,
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一些國家,如 : 象牙海岸、 肯亞、衣索比亞、
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Tanzania and Senegal are performing relatively well at the moment.
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坦尚尼亞和塞內加爾, 目前發展相對較好。
07:15
But what did we do wrong?
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但是,我們做錯了什麼呢?
07:17
Let me mention eight things.
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請讓我提及八件事情。
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You have to have more things wrong than right.
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你做錯的事情一定 比做對的事情還多。
07:20
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:22
So there are eight things we did wrong.
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我們有八件事情做錯了。
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The first was that even though we grew, we didn't create enough jobs.
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第一件是儘管我們經濟成長, 但是,我們沒有創造足夠的工作,
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We didn't create jobs for our youth.
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我們沒有為年輕人創造就業機會。
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Youth unemployment on the continent is about 15 percent,
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非洲大陸青年的 失業率大概是 15%,
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and underemployment is a serious problem.
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而且低度就業是一個嚴重的問題。
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The second thing that we did is that the quality of growth was not good enough.
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第二件錯事是 經濟發展的品質不夠好。
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Even those jobs we created were low-productivity jobs,
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就連那些我們創造的工作, 也是低生產力的工作,
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so we moved people from low-productivity agriculture
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我們只是把勞動力從 低生產力的農業
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to low-productivity commerce and working in the informal sector
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轉移到低生產力的商業,
並讓他們在城市的非正式經濟工作。
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in the urban areas.
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The third thing is that inequality increased.
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第三件事是 貧富不均的差距擴大了。
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So we created more billionaires.
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我們創造了更多的億萬富翁。
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50 billionaires worth 96 billion dollars
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50 位身價 960 億美元的億萬富翁,
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own more wealth than the bottom 75 million people on the continent.
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擁有的財富多過 非洲底層的 7,500 萬人。
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Poverty,
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貧困,
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the proportion of people in poverty -- that's the fourth thing -- did decrease,
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貧困人口的比例── 這是第四件事──的確減少了,
08:19
but the absolute numbers did not because of population growth.
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但是因為人口增長, 貧困人口的絕對人數並無減少。
08:24
And population growth is something
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人口增長,
08:26
that we don't have enough of a dialogue about on the continent.
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在非洲是一個尚未 充分獲得關注與討論的議題。
08:30
And I think we will need to get a handle on it,
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我認為我們需要解決此問題,
08:33
particularly how we educate girls.
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尤其是要教育女孩們。
08:36
That is the road to really working on this particular issue.
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那才是真正解決這個問題的方式。
08:41
The fifth thing is that we didn't invest enough in infrastructure.
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第五件事是我們在基礎建設上, 沒有投入足夠的資金。
08:48
We had investment from the Chinese.
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我們有來自中國的投資。
08:50
That helped some countries, but it's not enough.
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那幫助了一些國家,但是遠遠不夠。
08:54
The consumption of electricity in Africa on the continent
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撒哈拉沙漠以南的非洲國家,
08:57
in Sub-Saharan Africa is equivalent to Spain.
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其用電量相當於西班牙的用電量。
09:01
The total consumption is equivalent to that of Spain.
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這麼多國家的用電量加總, 才等於一個西班牙的總用電量。
09:04
So many people are living in the dark,
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所以很多人生活在黑暗中,
09:07
and as the President of the African Development Bank said recently,
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正如非洲開發銀行總裁最近所說,
09:10
Africa cannot develop in the dark.
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非洲不能在黑暗中發展。
09:14
The other thing we have not done
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另一件我們沒做的事情,
09:16
is that our economies retain the same structure
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是我們的經濟結構,
依舊維持著數十年以前的構架。
09:21
that we've had for decades.
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09:23
So even though we've been growing,
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所以即使我們的經濟成長,
09:25
the structure of the economies has not changed very much.
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但經濟結構並沒有很大的改變。
09:27
We are still exporting commodities,
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我們依然出口大宗商品,
09:30
and exporting commodities is what? It's exporting jobs.
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出口大宗商品意味著什麼? 意味著出口了工作機會。
09:34
Our manufacturing value-added is only 11 percent.
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我們製造業只增值了 11%。
09:37
We are not creating enough decent manufacturing jobs for our youth,
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我們沒有為年輕人創造 像樣的製造業工作,
09:42
and trade among ourselves is low.
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我們之間的貿易量很小,
09:44
Only about 12 percent of our trade is among ourselves.
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在我們國家間 進行的貿易只佔 12%。
09:48
So that's another serious problem.
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所以那是另一個嚴重的問題。
09:51
Then governance.
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然後是管理。
09:53
Governance is a serious issue.
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管理是一個嚴重的問題。
09:55
We have weak institutions,
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我們的制度很脆弱,
09:57
and sometimes nonexistent institutions, and I think this gives way for corruption.
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有時候制度根本就不存在, 我認為這讓貪腐滋生。
10:02
Corruption is an issue that we have not yet gotten a good enough handle on,
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貪腐是我們至今未能得到 有效控制的問題,
10:08
and we have to fight tooth and nail,
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我們必須抗爭到底,
10:10
that and increased transparency in the way we manage our economies
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增加我們管理經濟的透明度,
10:14
and the way we manage our finances.
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管理金融財務的透明度。
10:16
We also need to be wary of new conflicts,
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我們也需要警惕新的衝突,
10:21
new types of conflicts,
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新形式的衝突,
10:23
such as we have with Boko Haram in my country, Nigeria,
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比如在我的國家奈及利亞境內, 有博科聖地的恐攻衝突,
10:26
and with Al-Shabaab in Kenya.
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在肯亞境內有青年黨的恐攻衝突。
10:28
We need to partner with international partners,
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我們需要和國際夥伴、
10:32
developed countries, to fight this together.
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已開發國家合作,共同對抗新衝突。
10:35
Otherwise, we create a new reality
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否則,我們會製造一個
10:37
which is not the type we want for a rising Africa.
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我們不想讓崛起中的非洲, 所面臨的新現實情勢。
10:40
And finally, the issue of education.
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最後,是教育的問題。
10:43
Our education systems in many countries are broken.
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我們許多國家的教育體系出了問題。
10:47
We are not creating the types of skills needed for the future.
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我們沒有創造因應未來所需的技能。
10:51
So we have to find a way to educate better.
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所以,我們必須找到 優化教育的方式。
10:54
So those are the things that we are not doing right.
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那些就是我們做不對的事情。
10:58
Now, where do we go from there?
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現在,我們要何去何從?
11:01
I believe that the way forward is to learn to manage success.
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我相信向前邁進的方法 就是要學會管理成功。
11:05
Very often, when people succeed or countries succeed,
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通常,當人們或國家成功的時候,
11:09
they forget what made them succeed.
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他們會忘記是什麼讓他們成功。
11:12
Learning what you're successful at,
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了解你的成功之因,
11:15
managing it and keeping it is vital for us.
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管理它並保持住, 對我們來說至關重要。
11:17
So all those things I said we did right,
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所以,所有我說過的 我們做對了的事情,
11:19
we have to learn to do it right again, keep doing it right.
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我們必須學會再次做對,一直做對。
11:23
Managing the economy while creating stability is vital,
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管理好經濟,創造穩定性很重要,
11:27
getting prices right, and policy consistency.
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保持價格正確,政策一致。
11:30
Very often, we are not consistent.
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通常,我們的政策沒有連貫一致。
11:33
One regime goes out, another comes in
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舊政權結束,而新政權
11:35
and they throw away even the functioning policies that were there before.
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他們棄置原本就在運作的政策。
11:39
What does this do?
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這個會造成什麼影響?
11:40
It creates uncertainty for people, for households,
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造成人們、家庭的不穩定,
11:42
uncertainties for business.
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造成商業的不穩定。
11:44
They don't know whether and how to invest.
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他們不知道是否該投資 以及如何投資。
11:46
Debt: we must manage the success we had in reducing our debt,
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債務:我們必須掌管好 我們在減少債務方面的成就,
11:51
but now countries are back to borrowing again,
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但是,現在國家又開始借貸,
11:53
and we see our debt-to-GDP ratio beginning to creep up,
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我們見到債務占國內生產毛額的 比例開始逐漸上升,
11:57
and in certain countries,
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而且在一些國家,
11:58
debt is becoming a problem, so we have to avoid that.
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債務成為一個問題, 所以我們必須避免那種情況。
12:01
So managing success.
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所以要管理好成功。
12:02
The next thing is focusing with a laser beam
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下一件事是專注於
12:05
on those things we did not do well.
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那些我們沒做好的事情上。
12:07
First and foremost is infrastructure.
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最重要的是基礎建設。
12:09
Yes, most countries now recognize they have to invest in this,
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是的,大多數國家現在意識到 他們必須投資基礎建設,
12:12
and they are trying to do the best they can to do that.
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他們正盡最大的努力去完成這件事。
12:15
We must.
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我們必須這樣做。
12:16
The most important thing is power.
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最重要的事情是電力。
12:18
You cannot develop in the dark.
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我們不能在黑暗中發展。
12:20
And then governance and corruption:
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然後是管理和貪腐:
12:22
we have to fight.
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我們必須戰鬥到底。
12:24
We have to make our countries transparent.
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我們必須讓我們的國家透明化。
12:26
And above all, we have to engage our young people.
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最重要的是,我們必須 讓年輕人參與。
12:30
We have genius in our young people.
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我們的年輕人有才能,
12:32
I see it every day.
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我每天都可以見到。
12:34
It's what makes me wake up in the morning and feel ready to go.
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它就是每天早上讓我醒來 並蓄勢待發的動力。
12:37
We have to unleash the genius of our young people,
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我們必須釋放年輕人的才能,
12:40
get out of their way, support them to create and innovate
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讓他們走出自己的路,
支持他們創造、革新 並引領未來的道路。
12:43
and lead the way.
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12:44
And I know that they will lead us in the right direction.
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我知道他們會帶我們 朝正確的方向走去。
12:47
And our women, and our girls:
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我們的女性,我們的女孩們:
12:49
we have to recognize that girls and women are a gift.
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我們必須意識到女孩們 和女性是一份禮物。
12:52
They have strength,
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她們有力量,
12:54
and we have to unleash that strength
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我們必須釋放出那股力量
12:56
so that they can contribute to the continent.
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以便她們能夠為這個大陸 貢獻一己之力。
12:59
I strongly believe that when we do all of these things,
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我堅信當我們做到所有這些事情後,
13:03
we find that the rising Africa narrative
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我們會發現崛起中的非洲這個說法,
13:06
is not a fluke.
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不是一種僥倖,
13:07
It's a trend.
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而是一種趨勢。
13:09
It's a trend, and if we continue, if we unleash our youth,
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它是一種趨勢,如果我們持續不懈, 如果我們解除年輕人的束縛,
13:13
if we unleash our women,
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如果我們解除女性的束縛,
13:14
we may step backwards sometimes,
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我們有時可能會倒退,
13:16
we may even step sideways,
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我們甚至可能走偏。
13:18
but the trend is clear.
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但是趨勢是清晰的。
13:20
Africa will continue to rise.
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非洲將會繼續崛起。
13:22
And I tell you businesspeople in the audience,
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讓我告訴在座的實業家們,
13:26
investment in Africa is not for today, is not for tomorrow,
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投資非洲不是為了今天, 不是為了明天,
13:29
it's not a short-term thing, it's a longer term thing.
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它不是短期的事情, 它是更長遠的事情。
13:33
But if you are not invested in Africa,
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但是,如果你們不投資非洲,
13:35
then you will be missing
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你們將錯過
13:36
one of the most important emerging opportunities in the world.
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世界上正出現的最重要的機會之一。
13:41
Thank you.
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謝謝。
13:42
(Applause)
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13:51
Kelly Stoetzel: So you mentioned corruption in your talk,
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凱莉 · 史托澤爾: 妳在演講中提到貪腐,
13:53
and you're known, well-known as a strong anticorruption fighter.
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而且妳是非常著名的反貪腐鬥士。
13:57
But that's had consequences.
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但是,妳承擔了後果。
14:00
People have fought back, and your mother was kidnapped.
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那些人反擊,而且綁架了妳母親。
14:02
How have you been handling this?
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妳是如何處理這種情況的呢?
14:05
Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala: It's been very difficult.
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恩戈奇 · 奧孔喬 · 伊維拉: 那很困難。
14:07
Thank you for mentioning the issue of the kidnap of my mother.
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謝謝妳提到我母親被綁架的事情。
14:11
It's a very difficult subject.
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它是一件很難處理的事情。
14:14
But what it means is that when you fight corruption,
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但是它意味著當你反貪腐的時候,
14:18
when you touch the pockets of people who are stealing money,
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當你觸及到貪污者的利益時,
14:21
they don't just keep quiet.
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他們是不會保持靜默的。
14:23
They fight back, and the issue for you is when they try to intimidate you,
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他們會反擊,而你面臨的問題 就是當他們試圖恐嚇你的時候,
14:27
do you give up, or do you fight on?
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你會放棄,還是奮戰到底?
14:30
Do you find a way to stay on and fight back?
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你會找到一個堅持並 反擊回去的辦法嗎?
14:33
And the answer that I had with the teams I worked with
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我與我的工作團隊的答案是
14:38
is we have to fight on.
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我們必須奮戰下去。
14:40
We have to create those institutions.
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我們必須設立那些制度。
14:41
We have to find ways to stop these people
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我們必須找到方法,
阻止這些人竊取 我們大家未來的遺產。
14:45
from taking away the heritage of the future.
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14:48
And so that's what we did.
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那就是我們所做的事。
14:50
And even out of government, we continued to make that point.
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我們繼續強調那一點, 甚至在政府以外。
14:53
In our countries, nobody, nobody is going to fight corruption
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在我們的國家,沒有人, 沒有人會為我們反貪腐。
14:57
for us but us.
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除了我們自己,
14:59
And therefore, that comes with consequences,
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所以,那是有代價的,
15:01
and we just have to do the best we can.
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而我們只能盡最大的努力。
15:03
But I thank you and thank TED for giving us a voice
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但是,我要感謝妳、也感謝 TED,
給我們機會對那些人說, 你們贏不了的 !
15:07
to say to those people, you will not win,
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15:10
and we will not be intimidated.
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而且我們不怕威脅 !
15:12
Thank you.
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謝謝。
15:13
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
15:15
Kelly Stoetzel: Thank you so much for your great talk and important work.
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凱莉 · 史托澤爾:非常感謝妳 精彩的演講和所承擔的重任。
15:18
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