The fascinating (and dangerous) places scientists aren't exploring | Ella Al-Shamahi
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翻译人员: Yu Xie
校对人员: Jingdan Niu
00:12
So I've got something that I'm
slightly embarrassed to admit to.
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我有一些不太想承认的尴尬的事情。
00:17
At the age of 17,
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在17岁的时候,
00:19
as a creationist,
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作为一名发明家,
00:21
I decided to go to university
to study evolution
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我决定去大学学习进化论,
00:24
so that I could destroy it.
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这样我就可以毁灭掉它。
00:26
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:28
I failed.
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如你们所见,我失败了。
00:29
I failed so spectacularly
that I'm now an evolutionary biologist.
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我失败得彻彻底底,
现在更是成为了一名进化生物学家。
00:33
(Applause)
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(掌声)
00:36
So I'm a paleoanthropologist,
I'm a National Geographic Explorer
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我现在是一名古人类学研究者,
也是一名国家地理探索者,
00:39
specializing in fossil hunting in caves
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专攻那些掩埋在山洞以及
00:42
in unstable, hostile
and disputed territories.
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不稳定、有争议地区里的化石。
00:45
And we all know that
if I was a guy and not a girl,
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我们都知道,
如果我是一个男性而不是女性的话,
00:49
that wouldn't be a job description,
that would be a pick-up line.
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以上内容就不是一份职业简述,
而是一种炫耀的谈资。
00:52
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:54
Now, here's the thing.
I do not have a death wish.
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有件事我需要澄清一下,
我并没有一颗冒险的热血之心。
00:57
I'm not an adrenaline junkie.
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我并不是肾上腺素瘾君子。
00:59
I just looked at a map.
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我只是会查看地图。
01:02
See, frontline exploratory science
does not happen as much
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开创性的探索科学
并没有那么多,
01:06
in politically unstable territories.
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尤其是在一个政局动荡的地区上。
01:09
This is a map of all the places
which the British Foreign Office
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这是一幅地图,上面有被英国外交部
01:13
have declared contain
red zones, orange zones
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标上了红色、橘色的地方,
01:16
or have raised some kind
of a threat warning about.
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以及特意做了警示的地方。
01:19
Now I'm going to go out on a limb here
and say that it is a tragedy
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现在我正在这里一个分支上做着探索,
并且认为如果我们
01:23
if we're not doing frontline exploratory
science in a huge portion of the planet.
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在如此广袤的星球上没有做任何
前沿科学的探索,这绝对是一种悲剧。
所以,对于学科的探索而言,
地理因素成了一个问题。
01:28
And so science has a geography problem.
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01:32
Also, as a paleoanthropologist,
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并且,作为一名古人类学家,
01:35
guys, this is basically a map
of some of the most important places
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这些被标记的地方
也正是进行人类科学探索中
01:38
in the human journey.
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十分重要的地方。
01:40
There are almost definitely
fascinating fossils to be found here.
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这些地方大概率埋着珍贵的化石。
01:44
But are we looking for them?
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但是我们是在寻找它们吗?
01:47
And so as an undergraduate,
I was repeatedly told
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当我还是本科生的时候,
我就被反复告知
01:50
that humans, be they ourselves,
homo sapiens, or earlier species,
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人类、智人甚至是更早的人种,
01:55
that we left Africa
via the Sinai of Egypt.
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都是通过埃及
的西奈半岛离开的非洲。
02:00
I'm English, as you can
probably tell from my accent,
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你们也许能从我的口音中
听出我是英国人,
02:03
but I am actually of Arab heritage,
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但实际上,我的祖先来自阿拉伯,
02:05
and I always say that I'm
very, very Arab on the outside.
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我总是不耐其烦地说在外表上
我真的很像阿拉伯人。
02:08
You know, I can really be passionate.
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我可以非常的热情,
比如,
“你真棒!我爱死你了!”
02:10
Like, "You're amazing! I love you!"
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02:12
But on the inside, I'm really English,
so everybody irritates me.
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但是在内里,我又十分像英国人,
所以每个人都在令我烦躁。
02:15
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:20
It's true.
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这些都是实话。
02:21
And the thing is,
my family are Arab from Yemen,
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事实上,我的家人是
从也门到达的阿拉伯。
我也知道那一条路,
02:25
and I knew that that channel,
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02:28
Bab-el-Mandeb,
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巴布-埃尔-阿姆德布,
02:30
is not that much of a feat to cross.
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并不是很难跨越的。
02:32
And I kept asking myself
this really simple question:
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我以前也总是在
自问一个很简单的问题:
02:36
if the ancestors to New World monkeys
could somehow cross the Atlantic Ocean,
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如果新大陆猴子的祖先都能够
用某种方法穿越大西洋,
02:42
why couldn't humans cross
that tiny stretch of water?
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那为什么人类不能越过那一小段水?
02:46
But the thing is, Yemen,
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但问题是,
02:48
compared to, let's say, Europe,
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相比于欧洲,
02:50
was so understudied
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我们并没有对也门做过充分的研究,
02:52
that it was something akin
to near virgin territory.
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也就相当于这是一次
对于处女地的探索。
02:56
But that, along with its location,
made the sheer potential for discovery
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但是加上它的地理位置,
这将是一场纯粹的探索之旅,
03:03
so exciting,
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太令人激动了,
03:05
and I had so many questions.
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为此我内心充满了许多问题。
03:08
When did we first
start using Bab-el-Mandeb?
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我们是什么时候第一次开始使用
巴布-埃尔-阿姆德布这一条路的?
03:11
But also, which species of human
besides ourselves made it to Yemen?
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另外,除了我们之外,
还有哪些人种去了也门?
03:16
Might we find a species
as yet unknown to science?
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我们会找到还未发现的新人种吗?
03:20
And it turned out, I wasn't the only one
who had noticed Yemen's potential.
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并且最后证明了,我并不是
唯一一个注意到也门研究潜力的人。
03:24
There was actually
a few other academics out there.
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还有其他的学者也在关注这个地区。
03:27
But sadly, due to political instability,
they moved out, and so I moved in.
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但不幸的是,由于政局动荡,
他们退出了研究,于是我进去了。
03:32
And I was looking for caves:
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我在寻找洞穴,
03:35
caves because caves
are the original prime real estate.
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因为洞穴是最原始的居住地。
03:40
But also because if you're looking
for fossils in that kind of heat,
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而且如果当你在如此炎热
的天气下去寻找化石,
03:44
your best bet for fossil preservation
is always going to be caves.
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洞穴是化石出现概率最高的地方。
03:48
But then, Yemen took
a really sad turn for the worse,
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但接着,就在我计划
飞去也门的前几天,
03:53
and just a few days
before I was due to fly out to Yemen,
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也门局势急剧变糟,
03:57
the civil war escalated
into a regional conflict,
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内战升级为地区冲突,
04:01
the capital's airport was bombed
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首都机场被炸,
04:03
and Yemen became a no-fly zone.
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因此也门成了禁飞区。
04:08
Now, my parents made this decision
before I was born:
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我的父母在我未出生前
便做出了一个决定:
04:12
that I would be born British.
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我必须在英国出生,
成为一名英国人。
04:16
I had nothing to do
with the best decision of my life.
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这一个我一生中最好的决定,
其实和我没有太大关系。
04:21
And now ...
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但是现在……
04:23
Now the lucky ones
in my family have escaped,
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我的家族中有幸存者逃了出来,
04:28
and the others, the others
are being been bombed
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而其他人就处在被随时炸死的危境下,
04:31
and send you WhatsApp messages
that make you detest your very existence.
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给你发来一条让你对自己的
存在感到厌恶的消息。
04:39
This war's been going on for four years.
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这场战争持续了4年,
04:42
It's been going on for over four years,
and it has led to a humanitarian crisis.
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并将再持续四年,
而且引出了人道主义危机。
04:48
There is a famine there,
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也门出现了饥荒,
04:50
a man-made famine.
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一场人为制造的饥荒。
04:52
That's a man-made famine,
so not a natural famine,
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这是一场人为制造而非自然的饥荒,
04:55
an entirely man-made famine
that the UN has warned
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是一场完全由人类制造的灾难,
04:59
could be the worst famine
the world has seen in a hundred years.
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联合国已经发出警告,这场饥荒
将可能成为近百年来最恶劣的一次。
05:04
This war has made it
clear to me more than ever
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而这场战争让我
前所未有的看得清清楚楚,
05:07
that no place, no people
deserve to get left behind.
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没有任何一个地区、
任何一个人应该被遗忘。
05:13
And so I was joining these other teams,
and I was forming new collaborations
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于是我加入了一些团队,
并在一些不稳定的地区
05:16
in other unstable places.
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组建了新的合作。
05:18
But I was desperate
to get back into Yemen,
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但是我仍渴望回到也门,
05:22
because for me, Yemen's really personal.
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我对于也门有着非常强烈的个人情感。
05:27
And so I kept trying to think
of a project I could do in Yemen
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我一直在思考着能在也门做些什么,
05:32
that would help highlight
what was going on there.
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在思考一个能够让公众知道
也门的现状的项目。
05:35
And every idea I had just kept failing,
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我计划了很多,
但是总在失败,
05:39
or it was just too high-risk,
because let's be honest,
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有的是因为太过于危险。
因为诚实地说,
05:42
most of Yemen is just too dangerous
for a Western team.
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对于一支西方的研究团队而言,
也门基本上没有一个安全的地方。
05:47
But then I was told that Socotra,
a Yemeni island,
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但是突然, 我被告知
一个也门的岛屿,索科特拉岛,
05:53
was safe once you got there.
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只要你去了,就会发现那里是安全的。
05:56
In fact, it turned out there was a few
local and international academics
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后来我发现,在这座岛上,
有一些当地以及国际的
06:01
that were still working there.
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研究机构仍在工作。
06:03
And that got me really excited,
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这让我感到非常激动,
06:06
because look at Socotra's
proximity to Africa.
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因为请看一下,索科特拉岛
与非洲的距离有多近!
06:12
And yet we have no idea
when humans arrived on that island.
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那时我们对于人类登陆
那座岛屿的时间毫无头绪。
06:18
But Socotra, for those of you who know it,
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但是索科特拉岛,
你们中的一部分也许知道,
06:21
well, let's just say you probably know it
for a completely different reason.
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但是是出于完全不同的原因。
06:25
You probably know it
as the Galapagos of the Indian Ocean,
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你们也许是通过印度洋
加拉帕戈斯而知道的,
06:28
because it is one of the most
biodiverse places on this earth.
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也许是因为作为地球上生物多样性
最复杂的地区之一而知道的它。
06:33
But we were also getting information
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但我们在越来越多的信息中发现,
06:35
that this incredibly delicate
environment and its people
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这个地区以及生活在其中的人们
06:39
were under threat
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实际上处于中东政局,
06:40
because they were at the frontline
of both Middle Eastern politics
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以及气候变化的
06:44
and climate change.
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危险前线。
06:46
And it slowly dawned on me
that Socotra was my Yemen project.
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这些认知让索科特拉岛
成为了我也门项目的研究重点。
06:52
And so I wanted to put together
a huge multidisciplinary team.
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因此,我想组建起一支
庞大的多学科协作的团队。
06:57
We wanted to cross the archipelago
on foot, camel and dhow boat
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我们想通过步行、骆驼和独桅帆船
等方式穿越这些群岛,
07:01
to conduct a health check of this place.
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对这个地方进行完整的检查。
07:04
This has only been attempted
once before, and it was in 1999.
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而这项举措仅仅
在1999年实行过一次。
07:07
But the thing is, that is not
an easy thing to pull off.
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这并不是一件容易完成的事情。
07:12
And so we desperately needed a recce,
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我们非常需要一个勘察报告,
07:14
and for those of you who aren't
familiar with British English,
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让我先来为并不熟悉英式英语的
观众们解释一下,
07:17
a recce is like a scouting expedition.
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recce就像是探险考察,
07:19
It's like a reconnaissance.
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或者说是侦察。
07:20
And I often say that a really big
expedition without a recce
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我认为一个没有侦察人员的大型考察
07:27
is a bit like a first date
without a Facebook stalk.
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跟第一次约会前没有
悄悄看过对方脸书一样。
07:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:32
Like, it's doable, but is it wise?
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也就是说,这样虽然是可以的,
但是这是明智的吗?
07:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:39
There's a few too many
knowing laughs in this room.
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这些笑声里夹杂着一些
已然明了的声音。
07:42
Anyway, so then our recce team thankfully
were no strangers to unstable places,
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庆幸的是,我们的勘察部队
对于不安定的地区非常熟悉,
07:48
which, let's be honest,
is kind of important
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老实说,因为我们要抵达也门
07:50
because we were trying to get
to a place between Yemen and Somalia,
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与索马里亚中间的地区,
这一点就凸现得尤为重要。
07:54
And after calling in
what felt like a million favors,
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在募集了包括副省长在内的
07:58
including to the deputy governor,
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一百万次援助后,
我们终于踏上了探索之路,
08:01
we finally found ourselves on the move,
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08:05
albeit on a wooden cement cargo ship
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尽管用的是一艘穿行在
印度洋海盗水域的,
08:08
sailing through pirate waters
in the Indian Ocean
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拿这个当作厕所的
08:12
with this as a toilet.
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用木头巩固过的货船。
08:14
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:15
Can you guys see this?
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你们能看得到么?
08:19
You know how everybody has
their worst toilet story?
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这成为了成员最糟糕的如厕经历。
08:23
Well, I've never swam
with dolphins before.
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我从来没有和海豚一起游过泳,
08:28
I just went straight to pooping on them.
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当时却直接在它们身上大便。
08:30
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:35
And also, I genuinely discovered
that I am genuinely less stressed
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并且,我发现在海盗水域中
相比于我身处
的蟑螂成灾时候的,
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by pirate waters
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08:43
than I am with a cockroach infestation
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那种强烈的刺激,
08:47
that was so intense
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那种当我在甲板下,
08:49
that at one point I went belowdeck,
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地板又黑并且还在移动的情况下,
08:51
and the floor was black and it was moving.
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更加放松。
08:54
(Audience moans)
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(观众惊讶惋惜的声音)
08:55
Yeah, and at night there was
three raised platforms to sleep on,
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是的,船上有三个升起的
供睡觉的平台,
09:00
but there was only --
let's say there was four team members,
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但是我们有四个成员,
09:03
and the thing is, if you got
a raised platform to sleep on,
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如果你得到了一个睡觉的台子,
09:06
you only had to contend
with a few cockroaches during the night,
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你就只需要忍受几只蟑螂,
09:09
whereas if you got the floor,
good luck to you.
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但如果你只能睡在地板上,
那就祝你好运了。
09:12
And so I was the only girl in the team
and the whole ship,
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那个时候我是整个团队
以及船上唯一的女性,
09:16
so I got away without
sleeping on the floor.
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所以我不用睡在地上。
09:19
And then, on, like,
the fourth or fifth night,
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但是,在第四或第五个的晚上,
09:22
Martin Edström looks at me and goes,
"Ella, Ella I really believe in equality."
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马丁·埃德斯特罗姆看着我说:
”艾拉,艾拉,我认为应该公平一点。”
09:27
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:31
So we were sailing on that
cement cargo ship for three days,
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我们在船上又航行了三天,
09:36
and then we slowly started seeing land.
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才慢慢地看到了陆地。
09:41
And after three years of failing,
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在经历了三年的失败,
09:44
I was finally seeing Yemen.
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我终于真实地看到了也门。
09:46
And there is no feeling on earth
like that start of an expedition.
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开始探索的心情是无法形容的。
09:51
It's this moment where
you jump out of a jeep
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就像是你从吉普车上跳下来
09:54
or you look up from a boat
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或者说你从船上往上看的时候
09:57
and you know that
there's this possibility,
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内心中相信着有那么一种可能性,
09:59
it's small but it's still there,
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尽管渺小但是存在,
10:02
that you're about to find something
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你就要找到
10:04
that could add to or change our knowledge
of who we are and where we come from.
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能够增加甚至改变人们对于自我
以及祖先的认识的一些东西。
10:09
There is no feeling like it on earth,
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这种心情无法比拟。
10:12
and it's a feeling
that so many scientists have
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很多科学家都有这样的体验,
10:16
but rarely in politically unstable places.
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但在政局动荡的地区中几乎没有。
10:20
Because Western scientists
are discouraged or all-out barred
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因为西方科学家不被鼓励,甚至被禁止
10:25
from working in unstable places.
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在不稳定的地区进行工作。
10:28
But here's the thing:
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但是,有一点需要注意的是:
10:30
scientists specialize in the jungle.
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研究丛林的科学家,
10:33
Scientists work in deep cave systems.
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研究深洞穴的科学家,
10:37
Scientists attach themselves to rockets
and blow themselves into outer space.
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献身于火箭以及载人火箭
的科学家怎么办呢?
10:42
But apparently,
working in an unstable place
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但显然,在不稳定的地区工作
10:44
is deemed too high-risk.
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被认为是高度危险的。
10:47
It is completely arbitrary.
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这是一种武断的想法。
10:49
Who here in this room
wasn't brought up on adventure stories?
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在座的各位有谁没在
各式各样的冒险故事中成长的吗?
10:55
And most of our heroes
were actually scientists and academics.
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绝大多数的英雄其实都是
科学家和学者。
11:00
Science was about going out
into the unknown.
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科学在于探索未知,
11:03
It was about truly global exploration,
even if there were risks.
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在于全球性的探索,
尽管危机重重。
11:09
And so when did it become acceptable
to make it difficult for science to happen
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那从何时起这种科学不能
在不稳定地区开展的观念
11:14
in unstable places?
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深入人心的呢?
11:17
And look, I'm not saying
that all scientists should go off
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我并不是说所有的科学家都应该
11:20
and start working in unstable places.
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外出到危险的地方进行探索研究。
11:22
This isn't some gung-ho call.
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这并不是什么狂热的的号召。
11:24
But here's the thing:
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但事情是这样:
11:27
for those who have done the research,
understand security protocol
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对于那些完成了自己的研究,
并清楚安全规定,
11:32
and are trained,
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接受了专业训练的研究者,
11:34
stop stopping those who want to.
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要让他们停止去阻止
想要参与研究的人。
11:37
Plus,
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加上,
11:39
just because one part of a country
is an active war zone
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一个国家的某些地区
正处于战时状态,
11:43
doesn't mean the whole country is.
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并不能代表整个国家的形势。
11:45
I'm not saying we should go
into active war zones.
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我并不是在提倡
我们应该进入那些战区。
11:48
But Iraqi Kurdistan looks
very different from Fallujah.
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但是伊拉克库迪斯坦的情况
与费卢杰的情况完全不同。
11:52
And actually, a few months
after I couldn't get into Yemen,
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实际上,经历了好几个月,
我仍没有进入也门,
11:56
another team adopted me.
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而是另外一个团队接纳了我。
11:58
So Professor Graeme Barker's team
were actually working in Iraqi Kurdistan,
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格雷姆·巴克教授的团队其实研究
的是伊拉克库迪斯坦地区,
12:04
and they were digging up Shanidar Cave.
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他们那时正在挖掘沙尼达尔的洞穴。
12:07
Now, Shanidar Cave a few decades earlier
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在距今几十年前,
研究人员从沙尼达尔洞穴中
12:10
had unveiled a Neanderthal
known as Shanidar 1.
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发现了尼安德特人种,
命名为沙尼达尔一号(Shanidar 1)。
12:16
Now, for a BBC/PBS TV series
we actually brought Shanidar 1 to life,
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通过BBC/PBS的电视系列节目,
我们才将沙尼达尔一号公布于众
12:20
and I want you guys to meet Ned,
Ned the Neanderthal.
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在这里我想将这位尼安德特人,
即内德(Ned)介绍给你们。
12:25
Now here's the coolest thing about Ned.
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接下来是关于内德最酷的一点。
12:28
Ned, this guy,
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这个被命名为内德的家伙,
12:30
you're meeting him before his injuries.
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你们看到的是他受伤前的样子。
12:33
See, it turned out
that Ned was severely disabled.
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研究发现内德其实受了重伤。
如果没有其他尼安德特人的帮助,
12:38
He was in fact so disabled that
there is no way he could have survived
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12:42
without the help of other Neanderthals.
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他所受的伤则是致命的。
12:45
And so this was proof that,
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而这一发现也就证明了,
12:47
at least for this population
of Neanderthals at this time,
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至少对于那个时期的尼安德特人,
他们与现在的我们很像,
12:51
Neanderthals were like us,
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12:52
and they sometimes looked after
those who couldn't look after themselves.
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他们会帮助那些没有自理能力的同类。
12:58
Ned's an Iraqi Neanderthal.
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内德是一名来自伊拉克的尼安德特人。
13:01
So what else are we missing?
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那我们还漏了什么信息呢?
13:03
What incredible scientific discoveries
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有什么重要的科学发现
13:05
are we not making
because we're not looking?
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因为我们无意寻找而错过呢?
13:10
And by the way, these places,
they deserve narratives of hope,
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顺便一提,这些地方
是值得被赋予希望的,
13:13
and science and exploration
can be a part of that.
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是值得被探索与研究的。
13:17
In fact, I would argue
that it can tangibly aid development,
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其实我认为对于这些地方的
考查研究有助于当地的发展,
13:20
and these discoveries
become a huge source of local pride.
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这些发现能够成为
当地自豪感的源泉。
13:25
And that brings me to the second reason
why science has a geography problem.
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同时这一发现将我引向了第二个问题:
为什么科学具有地域性的问题。
13:31
See, we don't empower
local academics, do we?
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实际上,我们并没有
参与当地的研究。
13:35
Like, it's not lost on me
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我并没有忘记,
13:37
that in my particular field
of paleoanthropology
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在古人类研究领域,
13:42
we study human origins,
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我们研究人类的起源,
13:43
but we have so few diverse scientists.
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但是我们的科学家背景太单一。
13:48
And the thing is, these places
are full of students and academics
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而这些地方充斥着大量的想要合作
13:52
who are desperate to collaborate,
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的学生和学者。
13:54
and the truth is
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并且事实是,
13:56
that for them,
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对于他们来说,
13:57
they have fewer security issues than us.
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他们会更少的考虑安全问题。
14:02
I think we constantly forget that for them
it's not a hostile environment;
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我们经常忘记,对他们来说,
这不是一个充满危险的环境,
14:06
for them it's home.
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对他们来说,这里是家园。
14:09
I'm telling you,
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以我的经验来说,
14:11
research done in unstable places
with local collaborators
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在不稳定的地区里,
当地协作者的参与
14:15
can lead to incredible discoveries,
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往往会带来更加重要的发现,
14:18
and that is what we are
hoping upon hope to do in Socotra.
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而这正是我们希望
在索科特拉岛所做的事情。
14:24
They call Socotra
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他们将索科特拉岛称为
14:27
the most alien-looking place on earth,
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地球上最像外星球的地方,
14:30
and myself, Leon McCarron, Martin Edström
and Rhys Thwaites-Jones could see why.
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而我自己、利昂·麦卡伦、马丁·埃德斯特罗姆
以及里斯·斯威茨-琼斯知道其中缘由。
大家看看这个地方。
14:36
I mean, look at this place.
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14:37
These places, they're not hellholes,
they're not write-offs,
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这些地方并不是荒蛮之地、
也不是没有价值的地方,
它们是未来科学探索的前沿阵地。
14:41
they're the future frontline
of science and exploration.
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14:46
90 percent of the reptiles on this island,
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在这座岛上90%的爬行动物,
14:49
37 percent of the plant species
exist here and nowhere else on earth,
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以及37%的植物品种
是地球上独一无二的,
14:55
and that includes this species
of dragon's blood tree,
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其中还包括龙血树,
14:57
which actually bleeds this red resin.
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一种能够分泌红色树脂的物种。
15:01
And there's something else.
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这里还有其他的东西。
15:02
People on Socotra,
some of them still live in caves,
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在索科特拉岛居住的人们
有一部分仍居住在洞穴,
15:07
and that is really exciting,
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这一发现真的令人热血澎湃,
15:09
because it means if a cave
is prime real estate this century,
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因为这些发现意味着,
如果洞穴是这个世纪主要的居住地点,
15:12
maybe it was a few thousand years ago.
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也许它早在几千年前就是了。
15:14
But we need the data to prove it,
the fossils, the stone tools,
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但是我们需要例如化石、石器等的
数据去证明这一点,
15:18
and so our scouting team
have teamed up with other scientists,
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于是我们的侦察团队
就像艾哈迈德·阿拉克比一样,
15:22
anthropologists and storytellers,
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与其他来自国际和当地的
科学家、人类学家、说书人
15:24
international as well as local,
like Ahmed Alarqbi,
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结成了一个团队,
15:27
and we are desperate
to shed a light on this place
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我们急切地想要在还没有太迟之前
15:30
before it's too late.
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为这个地方寻求一个突破口。
15:34
And now, now we just somehow
need to get back
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而现在,我们需要做的是
15:38
for that really big expedition,
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重新进入这个大型的探索中。
15:40
because science,
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因为科学,
15:42
science has a geography problem.
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具有地域性的问题。
15:45
You guys have been
a really lovely audience.
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你们真是一群可爱的观众。
15:47
Thank you.
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谢谢聆听。
(鼓掌)
15:49
(Applause)
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