Rayma Suprani: Dictators hate political cartoons -- so I keep drawing them | TED

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翻译人员: Yifei Liu 校对人员: Yolanda Zhang
00:12
[This talk is delivered in Spanish with consecutive English translation]
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【此演讲为西班牙语, 每句话后配有英文翻译】
00:16
(Rayma Suprani: Speaks Spanish)
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(Rayma Suprani(RS):西班牙语)
00:20
Cloe Shasha: When I was a little girl,
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Cloe Shasha(CS): 我小的时候,
00:22
I used to draw on all the walls of my house.
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曾在家里所有的墙上画画。
00:25
(RS: Speaks Spanish)
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(RS: 西班牙语)
00:33
CS: Until one day, my mother got angry and told me,
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CS: 直到有一天,我妈妈生气了, 她对我说:
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"You can only draw on one wall.
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“你只许在一面墙上画。
00:38
Don't draw on any others."
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不许画到其它地方。”
00:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:41
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
00:44
That was the first time I experienced an act of totalitarian censorship.
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那是我第一次遭受极权主义审查。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:51
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
00:56
But a lack of freedom stimulates creativity and empowers it.
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但是缺少自由 激发并促进了我的创造力。
01:00
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
01:19
Many years have passed since my childhood,
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很多年过去了,
01:21
but throughout my formal studies,
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但贯穿我的学习生涯,
01:23
I found myself drawing in the margins of my notebooks
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我发现我经常不听课,
01:25
instead of paying attention to my professors.
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而是埋头于在笔记本的边脚画画。
01:28
I studied journalism in college
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我在大学学习新闻专业,
01:30
with the intention of expanding my communication and writing skills,
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本打算借此提升 我的沟通和写作技巧,
01:33
but the only thing that I felt connected to in life
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却发觉在我的人生中,
01:36
was drawing.
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我只与画画紧密相连。
01:37
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
01:43
I was born in a democracy,
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我出生于一个民主制国家, 委内瑞拉。
01:45
in a country called Venezuela, which is now a dictatorship.
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现在它是一个独裁国家。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
02:01
For 19 years,
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作为一个每日漫画家,
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I was the daily cartoonist for "El Universal,"
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我在委内瑞拉规模最大的报社之一, 《萨尔瓦多环球》
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one of the biggest newspapers in Venezuela.
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工作了 19 年。
02:07
I really enjoyed translating political and cultural current events into drawings.
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我非常享受将当前政治和文化事件 转化为漫画的过程。
02:12
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
02:25
In the year 2014,
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在 2014 年,
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I got fired from my job at the newspaper over a cartoon that I drew
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我因为画了一幅 映射委内瑞拉医疗体制的漫画
02:30
alluding to the health care system in Venezuela.
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而被报社开除。
02:33
I drew a flat line of a heartbeat monitor,
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我画了一条平的心电图电位线,
02:35
but I intentionally drew the heartbeat line
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但我专门把下面一条线
02:37
in a way that resembled the signature of Hugo Chavez,
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画成前委内瑞拉总统
02:40
the former president of Venezuela.
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乌戈·韦查斯的签名。
02:42
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:43
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
02:51
All of this happened after the newspaper was bought
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这一切就发生在报社
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by an unknown company,
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被一家匿名公司收购后,
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and some of us suspect
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我们中间一些人推测
02:57
that it was the Venezuelan government who was behind that deal.
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这个交易背后的推动者 是委内瑞拉政府。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
03:11
My work as a cartoonist became more and more of a nuisance
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我的漫画工作
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for the dictatorship.
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越来越被独裁者讨厌。
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They have no tolerance for any freedom of expression
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他们不允许任何言论自由
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or free thinking.
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或思想自由。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
03:37
After I got fired,
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在我被开除后,
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I started to feel unsafe in my own country.
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继续呆在自己的国家 开始让我感到不安。
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I received anonymous calls and death threats.
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我收到了许多匿名电话和死亡恐吓。
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I was mocked publicly on national television.
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我被国家电视台公开地嘲弄。
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I was eventually forced out of Venezuela,
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我最终被驱逐出境,
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and I now live in Miami, Florida,
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现在,我住在佛罗里达的迈阿密,
03:51
where I am free to be my own editor for my work.
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在这里,我可以 自由编辑自己的作品。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
04:07
A political cartoon is a barometer of freedom in a country.
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政治漫画是一个国家 自由程度的晴雨表。
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That's why dictators hate cartoonists
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这就是为什么独裁者痛恨漫画家,
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and try to eradicate everything that involves humor
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并且试图根除所有
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as a mirror for social and political issues.
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反应社会和政治问题的幽默。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
04:26
A cartoon involves a delicate balance of ideas and drawings
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漫画包含对于观点 和绘画精妙的平衡,
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that reveal a hidden truth.
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来揭示不为人知的真相。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
04:37
And a good cartoon is one that conveys a plot of a full-length movie
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一个好的漫画 是在一个简单画面中展示出
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in a single frame.
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一部完整电影的情节。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
04:56
A cartoon needs to communicate the core of a story with its precision.
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漫画作品需要精确地展示事件的核心。
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And when it succeeds,
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当做到这一点时,
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its message can have the effect of inoculating people
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漫画所包含的信息可以使人们
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with a dose of skepticism.
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对事件产生质疑。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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Cartoons are drawn from observation and analysis.
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漫画来自观察和分析。
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They are inspired by muses of mythology,
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创作它们的灵感来自神话
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as well as classical, modern and paleolithic tales.
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以及古典、现代 和旧石器时代的故事。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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When we are told that a modern-day emperor is wearing new clothes,
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当我们得知一个现代的专制统治者 正在穿着新衣服,
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cartoons reveal that the emperor just might still be naked.
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漫画揭露说这些统治者们 可能还光着身子。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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At one point in my career,
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在我工作的某一段时期,
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I drew pigs and compared them with politicians and national guards
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我把阻止学生和平示威的
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who were responsible for stopping peaceful student demonstrations.
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政客和警卫队画成了猪。
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One day, when I got back to my office,
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一天,当我回到办公室,
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I had a letter on my desk.
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发现桌上放着一封信。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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The letter was from the Venezuelan Swine Federation.
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是委内瑞拉“猪联会”的一封信。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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The letter said,
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信上说,
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"Please do not compare an animal as wonderful as a pig with politicians.
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“请不要用猪这么伟大的动物 来比喻政客。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Pigs are very friendly and noble,
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猪是一种非常友好和高尚的动物,
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they can be a great mascot,
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它们是很好的吉祥物,
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they make good pets
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是很好的宠物,
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and they provide sustenance to us in the form of pork."
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而且它们为我们提供猪肉作为食物。"
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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I think they were absolutely right.
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我认为他们完全正确,
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I didn't draw any more pigs,
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我不再画猪了,
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but I did keep drawing politicians.
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但我确实还一直在画政客。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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A cartoon travels on an information highway,
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漫画行驶在看似有多条车道的
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which seems like it has multiple lanes,
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信息高速公路上,
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but in reality, all of these lanes
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但是现实中,所有的车道
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lead to a binary response of either positivity or rage.
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都会引向两个截然相反的回应, 要么赞同,要么愤怒。
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"I like it" or "I don't like it."
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“我喜欢” 或者“我不喜欢”。
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Those are the only responses
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只有这两种反应
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that govern democratic thinking on the internet.
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支配着网民的想法。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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We have lost the space for nuanced debate,
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我们已经失去了细致思索的机会,
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we have no time,
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大家都太忙了,
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so we simply respond with approval or disdain,
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所以我们仅仅回应赞同或者不屑,
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and we let algorithms take over.
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然后让程序和算法来接管。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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But a cartoon is born from a space of deep, nuanced thinking.
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但是漫画诞生于深入、细致的思考。
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Creating a good cartoon involves repeated failures,
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好漫画的创作会经历反复的失败,
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draft after draft.
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和一稿接一稿的修改。
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And a cartoonist must shed their own taboos
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一个漫画家必须抛弃自己的忌讳,
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to spark a conversation, rather than a confrontation,
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通过他们的作品去引起交流,
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through their work.
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而不是冲突。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
08:54
In the year 2013, President Chavez died,
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在 2013 年, 查韦斯总统去世,
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and I had to think about what to draw as the cartoon of the day
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我需要想出画点什么 作为《萨尔瓦多环球》报刊
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at "El Universal."
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当日的漫画。
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I was personally happy that he had passed away,
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个人来讲我对他的去世感到高兴,
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because I thought that the end of his power
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因为我觉得他执政的结束
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would potentially bring our country closer to freedom and better times.
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也许能让我们的国家 更接近自由和更好的时代。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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But there were many other people who were mourning the death of Chavez,
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但还有很多人在哀悼查韦斯的离世,
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so there was a divided sentiment in Venezuela.
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所以委内瑞拉国内出现了分歧。
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Some were celebrating,
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有些人在庆祝,
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and others were crying at the loss of their leader.
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而其他人在为失去了领导人而哭泣。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
09:45
I felt stuck,
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我开始犹豫不决,
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I really didn't know what to draw in this historic moment.
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不知道在这历史性的一刻 该画些什么。
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And I knew that I couldn't allow my happiness to seep into my work,
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我也知道我不能让 自己的快乐渗透进我的作品,
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that I should take the higher road and respect people's grief.
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我应该采取更崇高的措施 并尊重人们的悲伤。
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So what could I draw?
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所以我该画些什么呢?
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
10:15
I spent many hours drafting and throwing out papers.
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我花了很长时间打草稿, 再把草稿扔掉,反反复复。
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My editor called me and said
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我的编辑对我说
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everything was late for that day's newspaper
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你赶不上那天的报纸了,
10:22
and asked me when I'd be done.
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并问我什么时候能画完。
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It was in the middle of the night that the idea came to me.
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直到半夜我才有了思路。
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And we then published a cartoon
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然后我发表了这样一幅漫画
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that represented a historical moment in time.
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来呈现这一历史性时刻。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
10:35
A fallen king chess piece in red.
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一个倒下的红色王棋。
10:38
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
10:50
A good cartoon has a lot of power.
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一幅好漫画有强大的力量。
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It can generate action and reaction.
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它可以激发行动和回应。
10:55
That's why a cartoonist must exercise their power responsibly,
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这就是为什么一位漫画家 必须负责地运用漫画的力量,
10:59
showcasing the truth
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揭示真相,
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and drawing without the fear of consequences.
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并且不计后果地画出来。
11:03
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
11:08
Having an opinion has a cost,
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有自己的观点是要付出代价的,
11:09
and in some countries, that cost is high.
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在某些国家,这个代价很高。
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(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
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In Venezuela,
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在委内瑞拉,
许多年轻人因和平抗议被杀。
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many young people have been killed for protesting peacefully.
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11:34
There are men and women who are stuck behind bars
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许多人作为政治犯
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as political prisoners.
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被困在监狱中。
11:38
So over the years,
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所以这些年来,
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I've drawn the faces of imprisoned women,
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我一直在画监狱里女人的脸,
11:41
because I don't want them to be forgotten by the community.
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因为我不想她们被社会遗忘。
11:45
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
12:06
This year at an event called El Foro Penal,
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今年,在一个叫 萨尔瓦多 Foro Penal 的
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which is a criminal forum
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犯罪论坛上,
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where a group of lawyers do pro bono work
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即一群律师为了委内瑞拉政治犯
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for Venezuelan political prisoners,
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做无偿工作的地方,
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a young woman approached me and she said,
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一个年轻的女人走近我,说:
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"I was imprisoned,
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“我被关到监狱,
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and then you drew my face and my story.
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然后你画出了我的脸和我的遭遇。
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It's because of that drawing that people knew who I was.
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正因如此,人们才认识了我。
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Your cartoon helped me survive my days in prison.
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你的漫画帮助我熬过了 在监狱里那些日子。
12:27
Thank you."
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谢谢你。”
12:29
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
12:36
This was a moment that meant a lot to me,
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这一刻对我来说意义重大,
因为我找到了一个方式
12:38
because I had found a way to collaborate
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记录我的祖国和它的人民的回忆。
12:40
with the memories of my country and its people.
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(西班牙语)
12:42
(Speaks Spanish)
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13:01
Last year, I started making drawings about immigration.
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去年,我开始画移民。
13:05
I drew my own world, my fears,
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我画我自己的世界,我的恐惧,
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my suitcase, my roots
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我的手提箱,我的靴子,
13:10
and everything that I had to leave behind in Venezuela.
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所有我留在委内瑞拉的东西。
13:13
I also drew my joy in the face of this new opportunity
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我也画出了我作为移民到美国
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as an immigrant in the United States.
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面对这一新机遇的快乐。
13:18
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
13:25
From there, I worked on a series of drawings
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在那里,我画了一系列漫画
13:27
that represented the experience and psychology of immigration.
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来展现移民的经历和心理活动。
13:31
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
13:45
Being an immigrant is like moving to another planet.
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成为移民就如同搬到了另一个星球。
13:48
At first, you don't understand anything about your new world.
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起初,你不了解新世界的任何东西。
13:51
There are new codes, a new language
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新的代码,新的语言,
13:53
and unfamiliar tools you need to learn how to use
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还有陌生的工具需要学着怎么用,
13:56
in order to adapt to your new life.
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来适应你的新生活。
13:59
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
14:04
Being an immigrant is the closest thing to being an astronaut
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成为移民是最接近
14:07
who landed on the moon.
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成为登月宇航员的经历。
14:09
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
14:25
Over time, that series of drawings became a traveling exhibition,
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逐渐地,那一系列漫画 变成了旅游展览,
14:28
called "I, Immigrant."
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我叫它 “我,一个移民”。
14:30
And the exhibition traveled to multiple cities,
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那个展览在许多城市巡展,
14:33
including Miami, Houston, Madrid, Barcelona,
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包括迈阿密、休斯顿、 马德里、巴塞罗那,
14:36
and we're hoping for more places.
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我还希望它能去更多地方。
14:38
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
14:46
The show has become a meeting space for the diaspora,
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这个展览成为了移居民族的聚集场所,
14:49
for people to gather and recognize their shared experiences of suffering
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成为了人们聚集并感受他们作为移民
14:53
that come with immigration.
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共同的痛苦经历的场所。
14:55
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
15:15
What I want these drawings to convey
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我想让这些画表达,
15:16
is that an immigrant is not a criminal.
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移民不是罪犯。
15:19
An immigrant is a person whose life has been broken.
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一个移民是一个生活遭到破坏的人。
15:22
A person who has very likely been separated from their family
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一个很有可能在非人环境下
15:25
under inhumane conditions.
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与家人分离的人。
15:27
Who has been forced to leave their country in search of a better life.
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一个为了寻求更好的生活 被迫离开自己国家的人。
15:31
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
15:43
A drawing can be a synthesis of a place,
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一幅漫画可以是一个地方、
15:45
a universe, a country or a society.
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一段经历、一个国家 或社会的综合体现。
15:49
It can also represent the inner workings of someone's mind.
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它也可以展现个人的内心世界。
15:52
For me, drawing cartoons is a form of resistance.
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对我来说,画漫画 是反抗的一种形式。
15:56
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
16:09
A cartoon is like a Rosetta stone.
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一幅漫画就像一块罗塞达石碑 (记录了古埃及象形文字的石碑)。
16:12
If we throw it into outer space,
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如果我把它扔到外太空,
16:13
a future alien would be able to know with certainty
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未来的外星人就能够清楚地了解
16:16
that in the past,
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在过去
16:17
we once had a civilized world with free thinking.
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我们曾经有一个存在 自由思想的文明世界。
16:20
(Speaks Spanish)
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(西班牙语)
16:27
That one wall that my mother gave me the freedom to draw on feels infinite.
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我妈妈允许我画画的那堵墙 感觉无穷大。
16:31
And it's for that reason that I am still drawing.
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这就是我一直在画画的原因。
16:34
Thank you very much.
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谢谢你们。
16:35
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼声和掌声)
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