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翻译人员: Felix Chen
校对人员: Wang Qian
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I thought I would read poems I have that relate to the subject
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在这里,我会朗读一些有关
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of youth and age.
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青春与岁月的诗作。
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I was sort of astonished to find out how many I have actually.
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这一主题的诗作的收集,我个人都很是惊异
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The first one is dedicated to
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第一首诗献给
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Spencer, and his grandmother, who was shocked by his work.
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斯潘塞,他的外祖母曾很惊异于他的职业
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My poem is called "Dirt."
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这首诗作名字为”尘“
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My grandmother is washing my mouth out with soap;
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我的祖母用肥皂清洗我的嘴
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half a long century gone
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半个世纪过去了
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and still she comes at me
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她的影子依旧存在
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with that thick cruel yellow bar.
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携着她令人畏惧的黄色细长棒子
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All because of a word I said,
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这一切都是因为我说的话
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not even said really, only repeated.
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甚至并非是”说“,这是”重复“
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But "Open," she says, "open up!"
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但是她依旧不依不饶。“张开”她说,“张嘴”
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her hand clawing at my head.
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她拉扯着我的脑子
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I know now her life was hard;
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我知道她有一段刻骨铭心的艰难岁月
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she lost three children as babies,
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她的三个女儿都在襁褓里夭折
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then her husband died too,
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她的丈夫也去世了
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leaving young sons, and no money.
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在他们的孩子还年轻时,一贫如洗
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She'd stand me in the sink to pee
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她让我站在水槽边小便
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because there was never room in the toilet.
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因为房间里没有卫生间
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But oh, her soap!
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但是,她的肥皂
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Might its bitter burning have been
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永远是那么的苦涩,灼伤着我的嘴唇
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what made me a poet?
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是什么驱使着我写这首诗?
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The street she lived on was unpaved,
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她的房前道路是未铺砌的
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her flat, two cramped rooms and a fetid kitchen
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两个狭小的房间,一个散发着恶臭的厨房,就是她公寓的全部
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where she stalked and caught me.
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她轻声的走在我身旁,抓住我
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Dare I admit that after she did it
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经历如些,我依旧感激她会做此
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I never really loved her again?
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我有没有爱过她?
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She lived to a hundred,
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她的岁数近百
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even then. All along it was the sadness, the squalor,
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直至现在,她依旧被悲伤与卑鄙牵绊着
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but I never, until now
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我曾经从未察觉,直至现在
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loved her again.
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才发现我曾爱过她
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When that was published in a magazine
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我的诗作印在杂志上是
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I got an irate letter from my uncle.
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我的叔叔发来了一封嗔责的信
01:51
"You have maligned a great woman."
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“你的诗作恶意的诽谤了一位伟大的女人。”
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It took some diplomacy.
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我为此解释了一番
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This is called "The Dress."
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那首诗叫做“衣裳”
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It's a longer poem.
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是一首长诗
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In those days,
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那段日子
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those days which exist for me only
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那段我的个人感受高于一切的日子里
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as the most elusive memory now,
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那是我最想抹去的记忆
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when often the first sound you'd hear in the morning
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当我每天早上醒来时候,最先听到的
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would be a storm of birdsong,
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是小鸟的叫声
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then the soft clop of the hooves
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接连着马蹄踏地的声音
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of the horse hauling a milk wagon down your block,
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路上行着拉着装有牛奶的车
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and the last sound at night as likely as not
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而夜晚的声音似乎都是
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would be your father pulling up in his car,
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父亲开车归家
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having worked late again, always late,
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他又加班了,而且加班的很晚
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and going heavily down to the cellar, to the furnace,
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他进入地窖,走向火炉旁
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to shake out the ashes and damp the draft
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弄出死灰,熄灭火种
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before he came upstairs to fall into bed --
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然后才上床睡觉
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in those long-ago days,
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在这段长长的时间里
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women, my mother, my friends' mothers,
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女人,母亲,朋友的母亲
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our neighbors, all the women I knew --
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我的邻居,我知道的所有女性
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wore, often much of the day,
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她们的穿着,与那个时代相符
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what were called housedresses,
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被我们称作是家居服的
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cheap, printed, pulpy,
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廉价的印染与质料
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seemingly purposefully shapeless
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似乎是刻意的貌不惊人
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light cotton shifts that you wore over your nightgown
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在晚上才会穿轻质棉
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and, when you had to go look for a child,
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当她们照看孩子时
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hang wash on the line,
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将洗好的衣服一件件挂起来
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or run down to the grocery store on the corner,
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或者是去杂货店购物
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under a coat,
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穿着风衣
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the twisted hem of the nightgown
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有着睡衣的丝边
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always lank and yellowed,
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几乎是黄色而稀疏的
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dangling beneath.
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在下端摇晃
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More than the curlers some of the women
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一些女人烫后的卷发
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seemed constantly to have in their hair
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似乎永远不会变
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in preparation for some great event --
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那些重要的集会
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a ball, one would think --
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一场舞会,会有人想
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that never came to pass;
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不应错过
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more than the way most women's faces
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那些日子,女人的脸上
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not only were never made up during the day,
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都化着她们从未化过的妆
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but seemed scraped, bleached,
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不均匀的,漂白的
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and, with their plucked eyebrows, scarily masklike;
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还有那些剃的光光的腋下,夸张的面具
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more than all that it was those dresses
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比那更为不堪的,是那些衣服,
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that made women so unknowable and forbidding,
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展现着女性的愚昧与禁忌
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adepts of enigmas to which men could have no access,
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早已熟稔了那些男人们为她们做的规定
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and boys no conception.
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当他们还是男孩时,并无此概念
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Only later would I see the dresses also
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后来我看到的那些衣裳
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as a proclamation:
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像是一份声明
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that in your dim kitchen, your laundry,
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在你那昏暗的厨房内,你的洗衣间
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your bleak concrete yard,
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在哪结实的混凝土场地里面
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what you revealed of yourself
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你身上被读出的信号
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was a fabulation;
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是一个虚构的故事
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your real sensual nature,
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你的肉欲
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veiled in those sexless vestments,
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被呆板的教衣掩盖住
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was utterly your dominion.
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一丝不漏
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In those days, one hid much else as well:
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曾经,兽皮是何样
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grown men didn't embrace one another,
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成熟的男人的身上不会环绕此
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unless someone had died,
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除非有人逝去
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and not always then; you shook hands
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并非永久,你颤抖的双手
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or, at a ball game, thumped your friend's back
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或者,一场球赛,重重的摔在你朋友的背上
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and exchanged blows meant to be codes for affection;
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交流,打击,都是感情的代码
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once out of childhood you'd never again know
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当你长大,你永远不会再次感受
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the shock of your father's whiskers on your cheek,
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你的脸颊被父亲的胡渣亲昵
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not until mores at last had evolved,
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随着你的成熟而消逝
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and you could hug another man, then hold on for a moment,
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你会拥抱另一个人,拥抱一会
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then even kiss (your fathers bristles
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甚至最后亲吻(现在,你父亲已经对你毫无亲热
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white and stiff now).
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除了严肃的神情)
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What release finally, the embrace:
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最后留下的,拥抱
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though we were wary -- it seemed so audacious --
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虽然我们警惕 - 这似乎如此大胆
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how much unspoken joy there was
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不言而喻的喜悦多少有
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in that affirmation of equality and communion,
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在这平等和交流的肯定中
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no matter how much misunderstanding
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不管有多少误会
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and pain had passed between you by then.
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疼痛已经过去了,届时您之间。
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We knew so little in those days,
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我们曾经知道的太少
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as little as now, I suppose
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如同我们的年龄
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about healing those hurts:
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伤痛如何愈合?
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even the women, in their best dresses,
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甚至妇女们,穿上他们最好的服装
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with beads and sequins sewn on the bodices,
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与珠和紧身衣缝亮片,
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even in lipstick and mascara,
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即使在口红,睫毛膏,
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their hair aflow,
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与他们飘动的头发
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could only stand wringing their hands,
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她们的手却泄漏了秘密,忧心忡忡
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begging for peace,
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祈求和谐
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while father and son, like thugs,
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他们的丈夫与儿子,如同暴徒
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like thieves, like Romans,
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盗贼,不切实际的
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simmered and hissed and hated,
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引来仇恨,妒怨
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inflicting sorrows that endured,
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造成痛苦的经历,
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the worst anyway,
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无论生活如何糟糕
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through the kiss and embrace,
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亲吻和拥抱,
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bleeding from brother to brother,
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血缘联系
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into the generations.
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代代相传
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In those days there was still countryside
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曾经的乡村
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close to the city, farms, cornfields, cows;
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靠近城市,农场,玉米地,奶牛;
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even not far from our building
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彼此相连
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with its blurred brick and long shadowy hallway
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废弃的砖瓦,阴暗的走廊
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you could find tracts with hills and trees
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你会看到,大片的山丘,还有树林。
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you could pretend were mountains and forests.
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你可以认为他们是山丘与树林
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Or you could go out by yourself
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或者其他
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even to a half-block-long empty lot,
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甚至半个街区长的空地,
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into the bushes: like a creature of leaves you'd lurk,
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在丛林中,像暗中窥视的野兽
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crouched, crawling, simplified, savage, alone;
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蹲,爬,粗暴的,野蛮的,孤独的
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already there was wanting to be simpler,
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只是想更是简单
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wanting, when they called you,
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希望,当他们叫你,
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never to go back.
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从来没有回去。
06:42
(Applause)
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(掌声)
06:53
This is another longish one,
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这是另一首长诗
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about the old and the young.
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关于年轻人与年长者
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It actually happened right at the time we met.
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切合当下
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Part of the poem takes place in
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诗的一部分是关于
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space we shared and time we shared.
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我们共享的时间与空间
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It's called "The Neighbor."
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这首诗叫做“邻居”
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Her five horrid, deformed little dogs
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她那五只畸形的小狗
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who incessantly yap on the roof under my window.
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在不停地狂吠屋顶下我的窗口。
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Her cats, God knows how many,
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她的猫,上帝知道有多少,
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who must piss on her rugs --
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谁应该对她的地毯小便过
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her landing's a sickening reek.
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她身上臭气冲天。
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Her shadow once, fumbling the chain on her door,
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她的影子配合着她摸索着门链的声音
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then the door slamming fearfully shut,
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门砰的医生关上了
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only the barking and the music -- jazz --
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只有叫声和音乐 - 爵士乐 -
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filtering as it does, day and night into the hall.
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因为它的过滤,日夜进入大厅。
07:39
The time it was Chris Connor singing "Lush Life" --
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当时,这是克里斯康纳唱“郁郁葱葱的生命” -
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how it brought back my college sweetheart,
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如何带回了我的大学恋人,
07:45
my first real love, who -- till I left her --
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我第一次真正的爱,谁 - 直到我离开了她 -
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played the same record.
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有着相同的记录
07:51
And head on my shoulder, hand on my thigh,
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在我的肩上,手头枕在我的大腿,
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sang sweetly along, of regrets and depletions
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甜蜜,遗憾与消逝
07:59
she was too young for,
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她太年轻了,
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as I was too young, later, to believe in her pain.
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因为我太年轻,以后,相信她的痛苦。
08:05
It startled, then bored, then repelled me.
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开始,高潮,再到结束
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My starting to fancy she'd ended up in this fire-trap
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我猜想她要结束这场热恋
08:13
in the Village, that my neighbor was her.
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在这个村里,她是我的邻居。
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My thinking we'd meet, recognize one another,
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我的想法 我们愿意配合,相互承认,
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become friends, that I'd accomplish a penance.
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成为朋友,我想实现一个苦修。
08:23
My seeing her, it wasn't her, at the mailbox.
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我看见她的信,实际上并不是她的
08:28
Gray-yellow hair, army pants under a nightgown,
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灰色黄色的头发,军队裤子,睡衣下
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her turning away, hiding her ravaged face
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她离开了,转过她那张受到侮辱的脸庞
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in her hands, muttering an inappropriate "Hi."
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此刻,不应该说“你好。”
08:40
Sometimes there are frightening goings-on in the stairwell.
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有时有可怕的往来,就在楼梯间。
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A man shouting, "Shut up!" The dogs frantically snarling,
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一名男子大喊:“闭嘴!”疯狂的狗狂吠,
08:48
claws scrabbling, then her -- her voice
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爪摸索,然后她 - 她的声音
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hoarse, harsh, hollow,
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沙哑,苛刻,中空,
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almost only a tone,
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几乎只有一个音调,
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incoherent, a note, a squawk,
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不连贯,一说明,发牢骚,
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bone on metal, metal gone molten,
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甚至金属都能融化
09:00
calling them back,
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呼喊着归来
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"Come back darlings, come back dear ones.
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“回来亲爱的,亲人回来。
09:05
My sweet angels, come back."
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我的,甜天使回来。“
09:09
Medea she was, next time I saw her.
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美狄亚她,下一次我见到她。
09:12
Sorceress, tranced, ecstatic,
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魔幻的,出神的,欣喜若狂,
09:15
stock-still on the sidewalk
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仍旧竖在两旁的秸秆
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ragged coat hanging agape,
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破烂的衣服,令人厌恶的挂着
09:20
passersby flowing around her,
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她周围的路人流动,
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her mouth torn suddenly open
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她的嘴撕裂突然打开
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as though in a scream,
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仿佛在尖叫,
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silently though, as though only in her brain
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虽然默默,好像只有在她的脑子
09:29
or breast had it erupted.
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或者想要喷火的胸部
09:31
A cry so pure, practiced, detached,
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那么纯洁,与世无关的,经常似的
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it had no need of a voice,
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它没有一个声音的需要,
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or could no longer bear one.
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或者不愿承受的
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These invisible links that allure,
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那些不被注意的信号
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these transfigurations, even of anguish, that hold us.
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那些痛苦,全部得占有着我
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The girl, my old love,
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这名女孩,我的旧爱,
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the last lost time I saw her
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好久不见
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when she came to find me at a party,
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当她在派对上见到我,
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her drunkenly stumbling, falling,
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她忘情地舞蹈,坠落
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sprawling, skirt hiked, eyes veined red,
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裙摆摇荡,眼里布满着血丝
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swollen with tears, her shame,
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骄傲的眼泪,她的羞耻
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her dishonor.
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她的耻辱。
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My ignorant, arrogant coarseness,
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我的无知,傲慢粗糙,
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my secret pride, my turning away.
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我的底线,我走来了
10:13
Still life on a rooftop,
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静物的屋顶,
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dead trees in barrels, a bench broken,
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木质的桶,破碎不堪
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dogs, excrement, sky.
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一只狗的粪便,空气
10:21
What pathways through pain,
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什么途径通过痛苦,
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what junctures of vulnerability,
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什么样的关节是如此的脆弱
10:26
what crossings and counterings?
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过去,遇见
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Too many lives in our lives already,
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在我们的生活已经有太多的生命,
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too many chances for sorrow,
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太多的悲伤
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too many unaccounted-for pasts.
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太多以往的过往
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"Behold me," the god of frenzied,
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“看我,”疯狂的神
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inexhaustible love says,
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不竭的爱说,
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rising in bloody splendor, "Behold me."
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上升血腥的辉煌,“看我。”
10:46
Her making her way
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她用她
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down the littered vestibule stairs,
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降低到处前庭楼梯,
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one agonized step at a time.
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一步步的向我走来
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My holding the door.
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我拽住大门。
10:55
Her crossing the fragmented tiles,
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她穿越分散瓷砖,
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faltering at the step to the street,
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蹒跚在街头的一步,
11:00
droning, not looking at me,
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轰鸣,背对着我
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"Can you help me?"
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“你能帮助我吗?”
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Taking my arm, leaning lightly against me.
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抓住我的胳膊,在她身旁轻轻扶住
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Her wavering step into the world.
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她成为世界动摇的一步。
11:11
Her whispering, "Thanks love." Lightly, lightly against me.
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她耳语,“感谢爱。”轻轻,轻轻对我。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
11:29
I think I'll lighten up a little.
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我想我会减轻了一点。
11:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:33
Another, different kind of poem of youth and age.
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另一首,是关于青春与岁月的诗作
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It's called "Gas."
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它被称为“屁”
11:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:41
Wouldn't it be nice, I think,
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那岂不是很好,我认为,
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when the blue-haired lady in the doctor's waiting room
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当蓝头发女士在医生的候诊室
11:46
bends over the magazine table
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弯下杂志表
11:49
and farts, just a little,
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身后一声轻响
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and violently blushes.
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脸涨红
11:54
Wouldn't it be nice if intestinal gas
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岂不是好的,如果肠道气体
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came embodied in visible clouds,
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像是天上可见的云
11:59
so she could see that her really quite inoffensive pop
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这样她可以看出,她真的很无害的弹出
12:02
had only barely grazed my face
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只有勉强擦过我的脸
12:04
before it drifted away.
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只是轻轻的点
12:06
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:08
Besides, for this to have happened now
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此外,这个现在已经发生
12:10
is a nice coincidence. Because not an hour ago,
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是一个不错的巧合。就在一个小时前,
12:13
while we were on our walk,
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当我们对我们的步行,
12:15
my dog was startled by a backfire
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我的狗是由适得其反吃惊
12:17
and jumped straight up like a horse bucking.
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直上跳下,像马一样屈曲。
12:20
And that brought back to me the stable
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我却对此很镇定
12:22
I worked on weekends when I was 12,
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在我12岁是,我会做周末零工
12:24
and a splendid piebald stallion,
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灿烂的花斑种马,
12:27
who whenever he was mounted would buck just like that,
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每当他是谁安装将责任推就这样,
12:30
though more hugely of course,
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尽管更多的巨大当然,
12:33
enormous, gleaming, resplendent.
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巨大的,闪闪发光,灿烂。
12:35
And the woman, her face abashedly buried
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女人的脸上写着尴尬
12:38
in her "Elle" now, reminded me --
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深埋在她的“Elle”里,我依稀记得
12:40
I'd forgotten that not the least part of my awe
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我忘记了,不是我至少是部分敬畏
12:43
consisted of the fact that with every jump he took
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包括事实,那就是他每跳
12:47
the horse would powerfully fart.
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马会有力地放屁。
12:49
Phwap! Phwap! Phwap!
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砰!砰!砰!
12:51
Something never mentioned
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一些从未提及
12:53
in the dozens of books about horses
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在与马有关的书籍几十
12:55
and their riders I devoured in those days.
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和我在那些日子里吞噬车手。
12:58
All that savage grandeur,
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所有这些野蛮宏伟,
13:01
the steely glinting hooves,
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闪闪发光的钢铁般蹄,
13:03
the eruptions driven from the creature's mighty innards,
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从动物的内脏强大驱动的爆发,
13:07
breath stopped, heart stopped, nostrils madly flared,
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呼吸,心跳停止,鼻孔扩张
13:12
I didn't know if I wanted to break him, or be him.
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我不知道我是想打他,或者是变成他
13:17
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:19
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:29
This is called "Thirst."
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这首诗叫做“渴望。“
13:34
Many -- most of my poems actually
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其实很多,其实大部分我的诗作
13:36
are urban poems. I happen to be reading a bunch that aren't.
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都是城市诗,我会在野餐时候阅读,或许不会
13:40
"Thirst."
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”渴望。“
13:42
Here was my relation with the woman who lived all last autumn and winter,
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我与一个女人相处,半年
13:46
day and night, on a bench
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一天晚上,长椅上
13:48
in the 103rd Street subway station,
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在103街地铁站,
13:51
until finally one day she vanished.
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有一天她忽然不见
13:54
We regarded each other, scrutinized one another.
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我们把彼此相互审议。
13:58
Me shyly, obliquely, trying not to be furtive.
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我羞怯地,间接地,尽量不是偷偷摸摸。
14:02
She boldly, unblinkingly, even pugnaciously,
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她激烈的,癫疯的
14:06
wrathfully even, when her bottle was empty.
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整个人防空
14:11
I was frightened of her. I felt like a child.
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我被吓坏了。我觉得像一个孩子。
14:14
I was afraid some repressed part of myself
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我怕自己有些压抑的一部分
14:17
would go out of control, and I'd be forever entrapped
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会失控,而我会永远包埋
14:20
in the shocking seethe of her stench.
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在她的恶臭令人震惊的翻腾。
14:24
Not excrement merely, not merely surface
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不只是粪便,而不仅仅是表面
14:27
and orifice going unwashed,
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还有藏在细节里的污垢
14:29
rediffusion of rum,
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朗姆酒的香气
14:31
there was will in it,
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是在那里面散发的
14:33
and intention, power and purpose --
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有力的,刻意的
14:35
a social, ethical rage and rebellion --
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一个社会,道德的愤怒和反抗,
14:39
despair too, though, grief, loss.
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绝望过,但是,悲痛,损失
14:44
Sometimes I'd think I should take her home with me,
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有些时候,我想把带她回家,
14:46
bathe her, comfort her, dress her.
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洗澡她,安慰她,她的衣服。
14:49
She wouldn't have wanted me to, I would think.
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她不会要我,我相信。
14:52
Instead, I'd step into my train.
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相反,我想踏进我的列车。
14:55
How rich I would think, is the lexicon
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如何丰富,我觉得,是词汇
14:58
of our self-absolving.
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我们的自我开脱。
15:00
How enduring, our bland fatal assurance
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如何持久,我们的乏味致命的保证
15:03
that reflection is righteousness being accomplished.
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这种思考是义正在完成。
15:08
The dance of our glances,
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我们的眼神舞蹈,
15:10
the clash, pulling each other through
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冲突中,通过相互拉动
15:13
our perceptual punctures,
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我们的知觉穿刺,
15:15
then holocaust, holocaust,
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然后大屠杀,大屠杀。
15:17
host on host of ill, injured presences,
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主机对生病,受伤存在主机,
15:21
squandered, consumed.
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浪费,消耗。
15:25
Her vigil somewhere I know continues.
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她的晚会,我知道的地方继续。
15:28
Her occupancy, her absolute, faithful attendance.
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她住,她的绝对忠诚出席会议。
15:33
The dance of our glances, challenge, abdication,
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我们的眼神,挑战,放弃舞蹈,
15:37
effacement, the perfume of our consternation.
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抹杀,我们惊愕的香水味
15:44
(Applause)
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(掌声)
15:52
This is a newer poem, a brand new poem.
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这是一首新诗,一种新的
15:56
The title is "This Happened."
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名字叫做“这发生了”
15:59
A student, a young woman
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一个学生,少妇
16:02
in a fourth-floor hallway of her lycee,
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在第四层走廊她的公立中学,
16:05
perched on the ledge of an open window
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蹲在一个开放窗台
16:07
chatting with friends between classes;
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聊天类之间的朋友;
16:11
a teacher passes and chides her,
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老师的推诿和责怪她,
16:13
"Be careful, you might fall,"
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小心,你可能会堕落
16:15
almost banteringly chides her,
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几乎是嘲弄似的责怪她
16:18
"You might fall,"
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你会堕落
16:20
and the young woman, 18, a girl really,
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但是作为18岁的少妇,一个女孩
16:23
though she wouldn't think that,
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并不认为此
16:25
as brilliant as she is, first in her class,
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她是全班最聪明的,
16:28
and "Beautiful, too," she's often told,
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还有这美貌,她如此说
16:31
smiles back, and leans into the open window,
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微笑回来,把打开的窗口倾斜,
16:35
which wouldn't even be open if it were winter --
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这将甚至无法打开如果是冬天,
16:38
if it were winter someone would have closed it ("Close it!") --
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如果是冬天有人已经关闭了(“关闭它!”)
16:42
leans into the window, farther, still smiling,
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倾斜到窗口,更远,仍然微笑着,
16:46
farther and farther, though it takes less time
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越走越远,尽管它会比这花费更少的时间
16:49
than this, really an instant, and lets herself fall.
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的确是在一瞬间,让自己下降。
16:54
Herself fall.
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她在下降
16:57
A casual impulse, a fancy,
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一个偶然的冲动,一个幻想,
17:00
never thought of until now, hardly thought of even now ...
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从来没有想过到现在,即使是现在很难想到的...
17:04
No, more than impulse or fancy,
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不超过冲动或幻想,
17:07
the girl knows what she's doing,
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女孩知道她做的事,
17:09
the girl means something,
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女孩意味着什么,
17:11
the girl means to mean,
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该女童手段的意思是,
17:13
because it occurs to her in that instant,
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因为它发生她在那一刹那,
17:16
that beautiful or not, bright yes or no,
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那美丽与否,光明是或否,
17:19
she's not who she is,
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她不是她是谁,
17:21
she's not the person she is,
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她不再是曾经的她
17:23
and the reason, she suddenly knows,
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她突然知道为何
17:25
is that there's been so much premeditation
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就是有这么多有预谋
17:28
where she is, so much plotting and planning,
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她是这么多的策划和规划,
17:31
there's hardly a person where she is,
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几乎没有一个人是她,
17:34
or if there is, it's not her, or not wholly her,
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或者如果有,这不是她的,她的或不完全,
17:38
it's a self inhabited, lived in by her,
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它是一个自我居住的她,
17:42
and seemingly even as she thinks it
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甚至她像是已经获晓
17:44
she knows what's been missing:
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她知道什么东西被丢失:
17:46
grace,
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尊严
17:48
not premeditation but grace,
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并非智谋,是尊严
17:50
a kind of being in the world spontaneously,
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那种浑然天成的气质
17:54
with grace.
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带着尊严
17:56
Weightfully upon me was the world.
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对我来说那就是世界
17:59
Weightfully this self which graced the world
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对个体来说那就是世界
18:02
yet never wholly itself.
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但从来没有完全本身。
18:05
Weightfully this self which weighed upon me,
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这样的本意,就已经对我如此重要
18:08
the release from which is what I desire
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我咎由自取
18:11
and what I achieve.
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该是这样
18:13
And the girl remembers, in this infinite instant
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而女孩记得,在这无限的瞬间
18:17
already now so many times divided,
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对少次的分离
18:20
the sadness she felt once,
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她感到的悲伤一次,
18:22
hardly knowing she felt it,
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根本不知道她觉得,
18:24
to merely inhabit herself.
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仅仅自己居住。
18:26
Yes, the girl falls, absurd to fall,
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是的,女孩跌倒,荒谬的下降,
18:29
even the earth with its compulsion
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甚至地球与强制
18:32
to take unto itself all that falls
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她在下降
18:35
must know that falling is absurd,
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要知道,是荒谬的下降,
18:37
yet the girl falling isn't myself,
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那个女孩不属于我自己
18:40
or she is myself,
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或她就是我自己,
18:42
but a self I took of my own volition unto myself.
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但自我注意到我自己的意志祂自己。
18:46
Forever. With grace.
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带着永恒的尊严
18:50
This happened.
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这已经发生了
18:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
19:01
I'll read just one more. I don't usually say that.
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我还要读一首,着并非我的习惯
19:03
I like to just end.
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我喜欢只是这样的结果
19:05
But I'm afraid that Ricky will come out here
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但是我害怕瑞奇会到这来
19:08
and shake his fist at me.
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然后挥着她的拳头
19:12
This is called "Old Man," appropriately enough.
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“hi,老头,行了“
19:16
"Special: big tits,"
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特别的
19:18
Says the advertisement for a soft-core magazine
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说的软核杂志广告
19:21
on our neighborhood newsstand.
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在我们的邻里报摊。
19:23
But forget her breasts.
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忘记了她的胸脯
19:25
A lush, fresh-lipped blond,
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光润,清新明亮的金发,
19:28
skin glowing gold, sprawls there,
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皮肤发光的金子
19:31
resplendent.
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辉煌。
19:33
60 nearly, yet these hardly tangible,
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60已过,却依旧闪耀
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hardly better than harlots, can still stir me.
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几乎比妓女好,让我荡漾
19:41
Maybe a coming of age in the
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也许是在时代的到来
19:43
American sensual darkness,
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性感黑暗的美国
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never seeing an unsmudged nipple,
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从来没有看到一个乳头
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an uncensored vagina,
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与处女膜
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has left me forever infected
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给我留下永远感染
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with an unquenchable lust of the eye.
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用眼睛难以抑制的欲望。
19:55
Always that erotic murmur,
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总是这样色情杂音,
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I'm hardly myself
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总是这样色情杂音,
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if I'm not in a state of incipient desire.
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如果我不是在一个初始状态的愿望。
20:03
God knows though,
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上帝知道,虽然,
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there are worse twists your obsessions can take.
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有严重曲折的迷恋可以。
20:08
Last year in Israel, a young ultra-orthodox Rabbi
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去年在以色列,一个年轻的极端正统犹太教
20:12
guiding some teenage girls through the Shrine of the Shoah
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指导通过浩劫靖国神社有些少女
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forbade them to look in one room.
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禁止他们寻找一个房间。
20:19
Because there were images in it he said were licentious.
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因为那里有淫秽的图
20:23
The display was a photo. Men and women stripped naked,
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在展出的照片。男子和妇女被剥光衣服,
20:27
some trying to cover their genitals,
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一些试图掩盖他们的生殖器,
20:29
others too frightened to bother,
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别人不敢打扰,
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lined up in snow
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白色的背景,一字排开
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waiting to be shot and thrown into a ditch.
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等待拍摄成一条水渠里扔。
20:36
The girls, to my horror,
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姑娘们,我的恐惧,
20:39
averted their gaze.
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避免了他们的目光。
20:41
What carnal mistrust had their teacher taught them.
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什么肉体的不信任有自己的老师教给他们。
20:45
Even that though. Another confession:
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即使是另一个的自白。
20:49
Once in a book on pre-war Poland,
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一旦在学前教育方面的书战前波兰,
20:52
a studio portrait, an absolute angel,
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一室画像,一个天使,
20:56
an absolute angel with tormented, tormenting eyes.
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与折磨,折磨眼睛绝对的天使。
20:58
I kept finding myself at her page.
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我不停地发现自己在她的页面。
21:01
That she died in the camps made her --
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她死于劳改营使她 -
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I didn't dare wonder why --
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我不敢想知道为什么 -
21:07
more present, more precious.
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更多目前,越来越珍贵。
21:10
Died in the camps, that too people --
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在难民营中死亡,过多的人 -
21:13
or Jews anyway --
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或犹太人
21:15
kept from their children back then.
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保留子女当时的情况。
21:17
But it was like sex, you didn't have to be told.
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但它像性行为,你没有被告知。
21:21
Sex and death, how close they can seem.
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性别和死亡,如何接近他们看来。
21:25
So constantly conscious now of death moving towards me,
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所以,现在不断意识到死亡的走向我,
21:29
sometimes I think I confound them.
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有时候我想我混淆他们。
21:32
My wife's loveliness almost consumes me.
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我妻子的可爱太销魂了
21:35
My passion for her goes beyond reasonable bounds.
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我对她的热情超出了合理的范围。
21:38
When we make love, her holding me
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当我们做爱时,她抱着我
21:41
everywhere all around me,
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覆盖我身上的没一次
21:43
I'm there and not there.
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我那里不存在。
21:45
My mind teems, jumbles of faces, voices, impressions,
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我的头脑恍惚,脸部抽搐,声音也不清楚
21:49
I live my life over, as though I were drowning.
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我住在我的生活,仿佛我是溺水。
21:54
Then I am drowning, in despair
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然后,我淹死,在绝望中
21:57
at having to leave her,
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在不得不离开她,
21:59
this, everything, all,
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这一点,一切,所有,
22:01
unbearable, awful.
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无法忍受的,可怕的。
22:04
Still, to be able to die
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不过,能够死
22:07
with no special contrition,
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没有特别忏悔,
22:09
not having been slaughtered, or enslaved.
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没有被宰杀,或奴役。
22:12
And not having to know history's next
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并没有认识历史的未来
22:15
mad rage or regression,
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疯狂的愤怒或倒退,
22:17
it might be a relief.
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它可能是一种解脱。
22:20
No. Again, no.
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没有,就是没有
22:22
I don't mean that for a moment.
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我并非刻意渲染那一刻
22:24
What I mean is the world holds me so tightly --
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我指的是,这个世界把我勒住
22:27
the good and the bad --
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无论是好事,还是坏事
22:29
my own follies and weakness
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我的愚昧与软弱
22:31
that even this counterfeit Venus
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甚至假的Venus女神都不起作用
22:34
with her sham heat, and her bosom probably plumped
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她的假热,她的胸脯
22:37
with gel, so moves me
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是如此的诱人。
22:40
my breath catches.
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我的喘息都清晰可见
22:42
Vamp. Siren. Seductress.
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鞋面。警报器。勾引。
22:45
How much more she reveals
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这些信号都是她的
22:47
in her glare of ink than she knows.
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在她的油墨眩光比她知道。
22:50
How she incarnates
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她如何做到的
22:52
our desperate human need for regard,
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人类在绝望时候寻求的帮助
22:55
our passion to live in beauty,
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我们的激情是活在美好中
22:58
to be beauty, to be cherished by glances,
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被夸赞美好,被瞩目
23:02
if by no more, of something like love,
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如果没有,那就用爱的衍生品来代替
23:06
or love.
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或者就是爱
23:08
Thank you.
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谢谢
23:10
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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