The new age of corporate monopolies | Margrethe Vestager

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Prevodilac: Kristina Radosavljević Lektor: Mile Živković
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Let's go back to 1957.
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Vratimo se u 1957. godinu.
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Representatives from six European countries
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Predstavnici šest evropskih zemalja,
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had come to Rome
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došli su u Rim,
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to sign the treaty that was to create the European Union.
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da potpišu sporazum koji će stvoriti Evropsku Uniju.
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Europe was destroyed.
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Evropa je bila uništena.
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A world war had emerged from Europe.
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Svetski rat je ponikao iz Evrope.
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The human suffering was unbelievable
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Ljudska patnja je bila neverovatna
00:39
and unprecedented.
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i bez presedana.
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Those men
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Ti ljudi,
00:45
wanted to create a peaceful,
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su želeli da stvore mirnu,
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democratic Europe,
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demokratsku Evropu,
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a Europe that works for its people.
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Evropu koja radi za svoje ljude.
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And one of the many building blocks
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I jedan od mnogih stubova razvoja,
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in that peace project
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na tom mirovnom projektu,
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was a common European market.
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bilo je i zajedničko evropsko tržište.
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Already back then,
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Čak i onda,
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they saw how markets,
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oni su videli kako tržište,
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when left to themselves,
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kada se prepusti samo sebi,
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can sort of slip into being just the private property
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može takoreći, skliznuti u to da bude čisto privatna svojina
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of big businesses and cartels,
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velikih preduzeća i kartela,
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meeting the needs of some businesses
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izlazeći u susret potrebama velikih preduzeća
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and not the needs of customers.
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a ne potrebama kupaca.
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So from our very first day,
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Dakle, od našeg prvog dana,
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in 1957,
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1957. godine,
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the European Union had rules
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Evropska Unija je imala pravila
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to defend fair competition.
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da bi odbranila pravičnu konkurenciju.
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And that means competition on the merits,
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A pod tim se podrazumeva konkurencija zasnovana na zaslugama,
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that you compete on the quality of your products,
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da se nadmećete sa kvalitetom vaših proizvoda,
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the prices you can offer,
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cenom koju nudite,
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the services, the innovation that you produce.
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uslugama i inovacijama koje proizvodite.
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That's competition on the merits.
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To je konkurentnost zasnovana na zaslugama.
01:55
You have a fair chance of making it on such a market.
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Imate pravičnu šansu za uspeh na takvom tržištu.
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And it's my job,
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To je moj posao,
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as Commissioner for Competition,
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kao Komesara za konkurenciju,
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to make sure that companies who do business in Europe
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da osiguram da kompanije koje posluju u Evropi,
02:07
live by those rules.
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posluju u skladu sa ovim pravilima.
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But let's take a step back.
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Ali, vratimo se korak u nazad.
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Why do we need rules on competition at all?
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Zašto uopšte trebamo pravila konkurencije?
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Why not just let businesses compete?
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Zašto jednostavno ne pustimo preduzećima da se takmiče?
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Isn't that also the best for us
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Zar nije tako najbolje i za nas,
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if they compete freely,
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ukoliko se slobodno takmiče,
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since more competition
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s obzirom da konkurencija
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drives more quality,
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podstiče bolji kvalitet,
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lower prices, more innovation?
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niže cene i više inovativnosti?
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Well, mostly it is.
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Pa, u većini slučajeva je tako.
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But the problem is that sometimes, for businesses,
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Međutim, problem je što, nekad, za preduzeća,
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competition can be inconvenient,
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konkurencija može biti nezgodna,
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because competition means that the race is never over,
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jer ona znači da trka nikad nije gotova,
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the game is never won.
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a igra nikad dobijena.
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No matter how well you were doing in the past,
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Bez obzira koliko dobri bili u prošlosti,
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there's always someone
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uvek postoji neko,
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who are out there wanting to take your place.
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ko, tamo negde, čeka da zauzme vaše mesto.
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So the temptation to avoid competition
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Dakle, iskušenje da izbegnete konkurenciju
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is powerful.
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je ogromno.
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It's rooted in motives as old as Adam and Eve:
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Ono ima korene u motivima, starim od pamtiveka,
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in greed for yet more money,
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u pohlepi za još više novca,
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in fear of losing your position in the market
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u strahu od gubljenja pozicije na tržištu
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and all the benefits it brings.
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i svih beneficija koje ona donosi.
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And when greed and fear
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A kada su pohlepa i strah
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are linked to power,
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povezani sa moći,
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you have a dangerous mix.
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imate opasnu mešavinu.
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We see that in political life.
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To vidimo u političkom životu.
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In part of the world,
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U jednom delu sveta,
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the mix of greed and fear
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mešavina pohlepe i straha,
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means that those who get power
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znači da, onaj ko ima moć,
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become reluctant to give it back.
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postaje nevoljan da je vrati.
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One of the many things
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Jedna od mnogih stvari,
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I like and admire in our democracies
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kojoj volim da se divim, u našoj demokratiji,
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are the norms
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su pravila,
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that make our leaders hand over power
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koja teraju naše lidere da predaju moć
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when voters tell them to.
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kada im glasači to kažu.
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And competition rules can do a similar thing in the market,
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A pravila konkurentnosti mogu slično uraditi na tržištu,
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making sure that greed and fear doesn't overcome fairness.
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osiguravajući da pohlepa i strah ne preplave pravičnost.
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Because those rules mean
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Zato što ta pravila znače
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that companies cannot misuse their power to undermine competition.
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da kompanije ne mogu zloupotrebljavati svoju moć da ugroze konkurente.
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Think for a moment about your car.
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Razmislite na trenutak o svojim kolima.
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It has thousands of parts,
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Tu ima hiljade delova,
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from the foam that makes the seats
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od pene od koje se prave sedišta,
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to the electrical wiring to the light bulbs.
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do električne instalaicije i sijalica.
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And for many of those parts,
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Za mnoge od ovih delova,
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the world's carmakers,
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svetski proizvođači automobila,
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they are dependent on only a few suppliers.
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zavise od samo nekoliko dobavljača.
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So it's hardly surprising
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Dakle, nije teško pretpostaviti
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that it is kind of tempting for those suppliers
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da je to određena vrsta iskušenja za te dobavljače,
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to come together and fix prices.
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da se ujedine i podignu cene.
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But just imagine what that could do
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Ali, zaislite kako bi to moglo da utiče
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to the final price of your new car in the market.
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na konačnu cenu našeg novog vozila na tržištu.
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Except, it's not imaginary.
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Samo što to nije teoretsko pitanje.
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The European Commission
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Evropska komisija
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has dealt with already seven different car parts cartels,
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je imala iskustvo sa već sedam kartela, proizvođača različitih delova automobila,
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and we're still investigating some.
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i idalje istražujemo neke.
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Here, the Department of Justice
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Ovde, Odeljenje za pravdu
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are also looking into the market for car parts,
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takođe nadgleda tržište auto delova,
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and it has called it the biggest criminal investigation
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i nazvalo ga je „najvećom kriminalnom istragom
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it has ever pursued.
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koja se ikada vodila."
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But without competition rules,
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Ali bez konkurentskih pravila,
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there would be no investigation,
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ne bi bilo ni istrage,
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and there would be nothing to stop this collusion from happening
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i ništa ne bi sprečilo da se ovaj dogovor realizuje,
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and the prices of your car to go up.
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i da cena automobila skoči.
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Yet it's not only companies
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Ipak, nisu samo kompanije
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who can undermine fair competition.
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te koje mogu podrivati pravičnu konkurentnost.
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Governments can do it, too.
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I države to mogu.
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And governments do that when they hand out subsidies
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A države to rade kada daju subvencije
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to just the favorite few, the selected.
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samo nekolicini odabranih.
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They may do that when they hand out subsidies --
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Oni to mogu učiniti kada daju subvencije -
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and, of course, all financed by taxpayers --
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i, naravno, sve to plaćaju poreski obveznici -
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to companies.
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kompanijama.
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That may be in the form of special tax treatments,
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To može biti u obliku posebnih poreskih tretmana,
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like the tax benefits
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kao poreske olakšice,
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that firms like Fiat, Starbucks and Apple got
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koje su firme kao što su Fijat, Starbaks i Epl dobile
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from some governments in Europe.
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u nekim državama u Evropi.
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Those subsidies stop companies from competing on equal terms.
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Ove subvencije su sprečile kompanije da se nadmeću pod jednakim uslovima.
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They can mean that the companies that succeed,
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Oni mogu smatrati da su, kompanije koje su uspele,
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well, they are the companies that got the most subsidy,
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pa, oni su kompanije koje su dobile najviše subvencija,
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the ones that are the best-connected,
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kompanije sa najboljim vezama,
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and not, as it should be,
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a ne, kao što bi trebalo biti,
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the companies that serve consumers the best.
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kompanije koje najbolje služe svojim konzumentima.
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So there are times when we need to step in
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Tako da, postoji momenat kada mi moramo da se umešamo,
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to make sure that competition works the way it should.
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da bi obezbedili da konkurentnost bude onakva kakva treba da bude.
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By doing that, we help the market to work fairly,
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Čineći to, mi pomažemo tržištu da funkcioniše pravično,
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because competition gives consumers the power to demand a fair deal.
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zato što konkurentnost daje moć konzumentima da traže pravične ponude.
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It means that companies know that if they cannot offer good prices
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To znači da kompanije znaju da, ako ne mogu da ponude dobru cenu,
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or the service that's expected,
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za uslugu koja se očekuje,
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well, the customers will go somewhere else.
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onda će konzumenti otići na drugo mesto.
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And that sort of fairness is more important
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I ta vrsta pravičnosti je još važnija,
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than we may sometimes realize.
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nego što je mi nekad smatramo.
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Very few people think about politics all the time.
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Veoma malo ljudi razmišlja o politici svo vreme.
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Some even skip it at election time.
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Neki čak to propuste i u vreme izbora.
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But we are all in the market.
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Ali mi smo svi na tržištu,
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Every day, we are in the market.
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Svakog dana, mi smo na tržištu.
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And we don't want businesses to agree on prices in the back office.
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Ne želimo da se preduzeća dogovaraju oko cene u tajnosti.
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We don't want them to divide the market between them.
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Ne želimo da između sebe dele tržište.
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We don't want one big company
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Ne želimo da jedna velika kompanija,
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just to shut out competitors
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jednostavno, onemogući sve konkurente
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from ever showing us what they can do.
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da nam prikažu šta sve mogu da urade.
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If that happens,
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Ukoliko se to desi,
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well, obviously, we feel that someone has cheated us,
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pa, očigledno, osećamo da nas je neko prevario,
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that we are being ignored or taken for granted by the market.
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da smo ignorisani ili uzeti zdravo za gotovo, od strane tržišta.
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And that may undermine not only our trust in the market
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A to može potkopati, ne samo naše poverenje u tržište,
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but also our trust in the society.
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nego, takođe, naše poverenje u društvo.
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In a recent survey,
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U nedavnom ispitivanju,
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more than two-thirds of Europeans
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više od dve trećine Evropljana,
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said that they had felt the effects of lack of competition:
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izjasnili su se da su osetili posledice nedostatka konkurentnosti:
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that the price for electricity was too high,
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da je cena struje previsoka,
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that the price for the medicines they needed was too high,
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da je cena lekova koji su im potrebni, previsoka,
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that they had no real choice
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i da, u suštini, nemaju izbor
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if they wanted to travel by bus or by plane,
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bilo da su hteli da putuju autobusom ili avionom,
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or they got poor service from their internet provider.
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ili su dobili lošu uslugu od svog internet provajdera.
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In short, they found that the market didn't treat them fairly.
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Sve u svemu, oni smatraju da ih tržište ne tretira pravedno.
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And that might seem like very small things,
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I to se može činiti kao sitnica,
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but they can give you this sense
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ali to vam može stvoriti utisak
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that the world isn't really fair.
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da svet, u suštini, nije pravičan.
09:23
And they see the market, which was supposed to serve everyone,
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Oni posmatraju tržište, koje bi trebalo da služi svima,
09:28
become more like the private property of a few powerful companies.
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kako se pretvara u privatnu svojinu nekoliko moćnih kompanija.
09:35
The market is not the society.
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Tržište nije društvo.
09:38
Our societies are, of course, much, much more than the market.
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Naša društva su mnogo, mnogo više od tržišta.
09:43
But lack of trust in the market
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Ali nedostatak poverenja u tržište,
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can rub off on society
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može se reflektovati i na društvo,
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so we lose trust in our society as well.
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tako da gubimo poverenje i u njega.
09:55
And it may be the most important thing we have, trust.
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A to može biti najvažnija stvar koju imamo - poverenje.
10:01
We can trust each other if we are treated as equals.
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Možemo verovati jedni drugima, ukoliko se prema nama odnose jednako.
10:08
If we are all to have the same chances,
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Ako svi imamo istu šansu,
10:12
well, we all have to follow the same fundamental rules.
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pa, svi moramo da pratimo neka osnovna pravila.
10:17
Of course, some people and some businesses are more successful than others,
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Naravno, neki ljudi i neka preduzeća su uspešnija od drugih,
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but we do not trust in a society
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ali ne verujemo društvu
10:26
if the prizes are handed out
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ukoliko je cena određena
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even before the contest begins.
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čak i pre nego što takmičenje počne.
10:33
And this is where competition rules come in,
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E, tu stupaju na snagu konkurentska pravila,
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because when we make sure that markets work fairly,
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jer, ako obezbedimo da tržište funkcioniše pravično,
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then businesses compete on the merits,
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onda preduzeća konkurišu po zaslugama,
10:43
and that helps to build the trust that we need as citizens
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i to pomaže da se izgradi poverenje koje je nama, kao građanima, potrebno
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to feel comfortable and in control,
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da bi se osećali ugodno i da bi imali osećaj kontrole,
10:52
and the trust that allows our society to work.
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poverenje koje dozvoljava našem društvu da radi.
10:58
Because without trust, everything becomes harder.
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Jer, bez poverenja, sve postaje teže.
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Just to live our daily lives, we need to trust in strangers,
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I za naš svakodnevni život potrebno je da imamo poverenje u strance,
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to trust the banks who keep our money,
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da verujemo bankama u kojima čuvamo naše novce,
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the builders who build our home,
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građevinarima koji nam zidaju kuće,
11:14
the electrician who comes to fix the wiring,
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električaru, koji nam dolazi da popravi žice,
11:17
the doctor who treats us when we're ill,
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lekaru, koji nas leči kad smo bolesni,
11:19
not to mention the other drivers on the road,
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da ne pominjem druge vozače koje srećemo na putu,
11:22
and everyone knows that they are crazy.
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a svi znaju da su oni ludi.
11:26
And yet, we have to trust them
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Pa ipak, moramo im verovati,
11:29
to do the right thing.
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da će uraditi pravu stvar.
11:32
And the thing is that the more our societies grow,
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Stvar je u tome da, kako naše društvo raste,
11:36
the more important trust becomes
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tako poverenje postaje značajnije
11:39
and the harder it is to build.
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i teže ga je izgraditi.
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And that is a paradox of modern societies.
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I to je paradoks modernog društva.
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And this is especially true
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Ovo je posebno istinito
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when technology changes the way that we interact.
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kada su u pitanju tehnološke promene, vezane za komunikaciju.
11:55
Of course, to some degree, technology can help us
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Naravno, u određenom stepenu, tehnologija može pomoći
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to build trust in one another with ratings systems and other systems
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da se izgradi međusobno poverenje sa sistemima ocena i drugim sistemima
12:02
that enable the sharing economy.
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koje omogućava globalna ekonomija.
12:06
But technology also creates completely new challenges
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Ali tehnologija takođe stvara potpuno nove izazove,
12:10
when they ask us not to trust in other people
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kada od nas traže da ne verujemo drugim ljudima
12:14
but to trust in algorithms and computers.
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nego da verujemo algoritmima i kompjuterima.
12:19
Of course, we all see and share and appreciate
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Naravno, svi vidimo, delimo i cenimo
12:23
all the good that new technology can do us.
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to što nove tehnologije mogu da učine za nas.
12:27
It's a lot of good.
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To je mnogo pozitivnih stvari.
12:30
Autonomous cars can give people with disabilities new independence.
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Automobili koji sami voze mogu ljudima sa invaliditetom da pruže nezavisnost.
12:35
It can save us all time,
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To nam može uštedeti vreme
12:36
and it can make a much, much better use of resources.
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i može obezbediti mnogo, mnogo bolje korišćenje resursa.
12:41
Algorithms that rely on crunching enormous amounts of data
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Algoritmi koji se oslanjaju na obradu ogromne količine podataka,
12:46
can enable our doctors to give us a much better treatment,
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mogu omogućiti našim doktorima da nas mnogo bolje leče,
12:50
and many other things.
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i mnogo drugih stvari.
12:54
But no one is going to hand over their medical data
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Ali, niko ne želi da preda svoj medicinski karton,
12:59
or step into a car that's driven by an algorithm
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ili da uđe u kola koja vozi algoritam,
13:03
unless they trust the companies that they are dealing with.
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ukoliko ne veruju kompanijama sa kojima posluju.
13:09
And that trust isn't always there.
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A to poverenje ne postoji uvek.
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Today, for example, less than a quarter of Europeans
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Danas, na primer, manje od četvrtine Evropljana,
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trust online businesses to protect their personal information.
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veruje preduzećima na internetu da će zaštititi njihove lične podatke.
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But what if people knew
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Ali, šta bi se desilo kada bi ljudi znali,
13:27
that they could rely on technology companies
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da mogu da se oslone na tehnološke kompanije,
13:30
to treat them fairly?
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da će biti pravične?
13:34
What if they knew that those companies
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Šta bi bilo da oni znaju da se te kompanije
13:36
respond to competition by trying to do better,
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bore sa konkurencijom time što pokušavaju da rade bolje,
13:41
by trying to serve consumers better,
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i time da pokušavaju da pruže bolju uslugu kupcima,
13:45
not by using their power
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a ne koristeći njihovu moć
13:47
to shut out competitors,
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da bi izgurali konkurente,
13:49
say, by pushing their services
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recimo, gurajući njihove usluge
13:52
far, far down the list of search results
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daleko, daleko ispod, na listi pretraživača
13:56
and promoting themselves?
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ili promovišući sebe?
13:59
What if they knew that compliance with the rules
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Šta bi bilo da znaju da je to poštovanje pravila
14:04
was built into the algorithms by design,
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ugrađeno u dizajniran algoritam,
14:09
that the algorithm had to go to competition rules school
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da je taj algoritam morao da ide u školu za pravila konkurentnosti,
14:12
before they were ever allowed to work,
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pre nego što mu je uopšte dozvoljeno da radi,
14:16
that those algorithms were designed
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da su ti algoritmi dizajnirani
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in a way that meant that they couldn't collude,
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na taj način da ne mogu da budu u dosluhu,
14:22
that they couldn't form their own little cartel
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da ne mogu da stvore svoje lične male kartele
14:25
in the black box they're working in?
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u crnim kutijama u kojima rade?
14:29
Together with regulation,
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Zajedno sa pravnim propisima,
14:32
competition rules can do that.
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pravila konkurentnosti to mogu da urade.
14:35
They can help us to make sure
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Mogu nam pomoći, da budemo uvereni
14:37
that new technology treats people fairly
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da nova tehnologija postupa sa ljudima pravično.
14:41
and that everyone can compete on a level playing field.
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i da svako može da se nadmeće na nivou svoje oblasti.
14:46
And that can help us build the trust
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I to nam može pomoći da izgradimo poverenje
14:50
that we need for real innovation
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koje nam je potrebno za stvarne inovacije
14:52
to flourish
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da bi procvetali
14:53
and for societies to develop for citizens.
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i da bi se društvo razvilo zbog građana.
14:59
Because trust cannot be imposed.
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Pošto se poverenje ne može nametnuti,
15:03
It has to be earned.
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nego se mora zaraditi.
15:06
Since the very first days of the European Union,
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Od prvog dana Evropske Unije,
15:10
60 years ago,
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pre 60 godina,
15:12
our competition rules have helped
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naša pravila konkurentnosti su pomogla
15:15
to build that trust.
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da se izgradi poverenje.
15:19
A lot of things have changed.
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Mnoge stvari su se promenile.
15:22
It's hard to say what those six representatives
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Teško je reći šta bi tih šest predstavnika
15:25
would have made of a smartphone.
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uradili sa pametnim telefonima,
15:29
But in today's world,
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ali u današnjem svetu,
15:30
as well as in their world,
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kao i u njihovo vreme,
15:33
competition makes the market work for everyone.
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konkurencija deluje da tržište radi za svakoga.
15:38
And that is why I am convinced
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I upravo zbog toga sam ubeđena,
15:40
that real and fair competition
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da stvarna i pravična konkurencija
15:43
has a vital role to play
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ima ključnu ulogu
15:45
in building the trust we need
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u izgradnji poverenja koje nam je potrebno
15:47
to get the best of our societies,
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da bi izvukli ono nabolje od našeg društva,
15:52
and that starts with enforcing our rules,
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a to počinje sprovođenjem naših pravila,
15:57
actually just to make the market work for everyone.
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u suštini, samo da bi se osiguralo da tržište radi za svakoga.
16:00
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
16:02
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
16:07
Bruno Giussani: Thank you.
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Bruno Đuzani: Hvala Vam.
Hvala vam, Komesare.
16:11
Thank you, Commissioner.
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16:12
Margrethe Vestager: It was a pleasure.
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Margaret Vestager: Bilo mi je zadovoljstvo.
16:14
BG: I want to ask you two questions.
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BĐ: Želim da vam postavim dva pitanja.
16:16
The first one is about data, because I have the impression
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Prvo se odnosi na podatke, pošto imam utisak
16:19
that technology and data are changing the way competition takes place
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da tehnologija i podaci menjaju način na koji se konkurentnost odvija
16:22
and the way competition regulation is designed and enforced.
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i način na koji su pravila konkurentnosti dizajnirana i kako se sprovode,
16:27
Can you maybe comment on that?
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Možete li možda, prokomentarisati to?
16:28
MV: Well, yes, it is definitely challenging us,
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MV: Pa, da, to je svakako izazov za nas,
16:32
because we both have to sharpen our tools
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zato što i mi i oni, moramo da oblikujemo svoje alate
16:35
but also to develop new tools.
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ali takođe i da razvijemo nove.
16:38
When we were going through the Google responses
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Kada smo prelistavali Gugl odgovore
16:41
to our statement of objection,
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o našoj „Izjavi o objektivnosti",
16:43
we were going through 5.2 terabytes of data.
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prešli smo 5,2 terabajta podataka.
16:49
It's quite a lot.
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To je prilično mnogo.
16:51
So we had to set up new systems.
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Zbog toga smo morali da podesimo novi sistem.
16:54
We had to figure out how to do this,
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Morali smo da smislimo kako da uradimo to,
16:57
because you cannot work the way you did just a few years ago.
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zato što ne možete raditi na način na koji ste radili svega nekoliko godina ranije.
17:01
So we are definitely sharpening up our working methods.
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Tako da, mi definitivno usavršavamo naše metode rada.
17:05
The other thing is that we try to distinguish
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Druga stvar je što mi pokušavamo da razlikujemo
17:08
between different kinds of data,
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različite vrste podataka,
17:09
because some data is extremely valuable
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zato što su neki podaci izuzetno značajni,
17:12
and they will form, like, a barrier to entry in a market.
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i oni će stvoriti nešto nalik barijeri za ulazak na tržište.
17:15
Other things you can just -- it loses its value tomorrow.
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Druge stvari, možete samo - one će, koliko sutra, izgubiti svoj značaj.
17:20
So we try to make sure
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Tako da, mi se trudimo da osiguramo
17:22
that we never, ever underestimate the fact
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da nikad ne potcenimo činjenicu
17:25
that data works as a currency in the market
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da su podaci na tržištu isto što i valuta
17:29
and as an asset that can be a real barrier for competition.
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i kao preimućstvo koje može biti realna prepreka nadmetanju.
17:35
BG: Google. You fined them 2.8 billion euros a few months ago.
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BĐ: Gugl. Kaznili ste ih sa 2,8 milijardi evra pre nekoliko meseci.
17:40
MV: No, that was dollars. It's not so strong these days.
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MV: Ne, to su bili dolari. Oni nisu toliko jaki danas.
17:42
BG: Ah, well, depends on the --
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BG: Ah, pa, zavisi od ...
17:44
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
17:45
Google appealed the case. The case is going to court.
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Gugl se žalio na slučaj. Slučaj ide na sud.
17:47
It will last a while.
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To će potrajati.
17:50
Earlier, last year, you asked Apple to pay 13 billion in back taxes,
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Ranije prošle godine, tražili ste od Epl-a da plati 13 milijardi poreza retroaktivno
17:55
and you have also investigated other companies,
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i istraživali ste, takođe, i druge kompanije,
17:58
including European and Russian companies,
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uključujući evropske i ruske kompanije
18:00
not only American companies, by far.
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a ne samo američke, uopšte.
18:02
Yet the investigations against the American companies
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Ipak, istraga protiv američkih kompanija
18:06
are the ones that have attracted the most attention
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je ona koja je izazvala najviše pažnje,
18:09
and they have also attracted some accusations.
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kao i neke optužbe.
18:12
You have been accused, essentially, of protectionism, of jealousy,
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Optužili su vas, u suštini, za protektorizam, ljubomoru,
18:15
or using legislation to hit back at American companies
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i korišćenje pravnih normi da bi se osvetili američkim kompanijjama
18:18
that have conquered European markets.
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koje su osvojile evropsko tržište.
18:20
"The Economist" just this week on the front page writes,
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Časopis „Ekonomist" je, upravo ove nedelje, na naslovnoj strani objavio:
18:24
"Vestager Versus The Valley."
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„Vestager protiv Doline"
18:25
How do you react to that?
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Kako reagujete na to?
18:28
MV: Well, first of all, I take it very seriously,
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MV: Pa, pre svega, to smatram veoma ozbiljnom stvari,
18:31
because bias has no room in law enforcement.
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jer nema mesta pristrasnosti u sprovođenju zakona.
18:38
We have to prove our cases with the evidence and the facts
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Mi moramo da dokažemo naš slučaj sa dokazima i činjenicama
18:41
and the jurisprudence
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i jurisprudencijom
18:43
in order also to present it to the courts.
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da bismo to mogli da predstavimo na sudu.
18:46
The second thing is that Europe is open for business,
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Druga stvar je: Evropa je otvorena za preduzeća,
18:50
but not for tax evasion.
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ali ne i za izbegavanje poreza.
18:52
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
18:58
The thing is that we are changing,
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Problem je u tome što se mi menjamo,
19:02
and for instance, when I ask my daughters --
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i na primer, kada pitam svoje ćerke -
19:04
they use Google as well --
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one takođe koriste Gugl -
19:06
"Why do you do that?"
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„ Zašto to radite?"
19:07
They say, "Well, because it works. It's a very good product."
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One mi kažu: „Pa, zato što to radi. to je veoma dobar proizvod."
19:10
They would never, ever, come up with the answer,
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One mi nikad ne bi rekle:
19:13
"It's because it's a US product."
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„Zato što je to američki proizvod."
19:15
It's just because it works.
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Nego, jednostavno, zato što funkcioniše.
19:17
And that is of course how it should be.
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I tako, naravno, i treba da bude.
19:19
But just the same, it is important that someone is looking after to say,
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Ali, isto tako, važno je da neko pripazi i kaže:
19:23
"Well, we congratulate you
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„Pa, čestitamo vam,
19:25
while you grow and grow and grow,
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dok rastete, rastete i rastete,
19:28
but congratulation stops
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ali čestitke prestaju
19:30
if we find that you're misusing your position
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ako otkrijemo da zloupotrebljavate svoj položaj,
19:34
to harm competitors so that they cannot serve consumers."
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da bi naštetili konkurentima tako da oni ne mogu da ponude usluge kupcima."
19:38
BG: It will be a fascinating case to follow.
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BĐ: To će biti fascinantan slučaj za praćenje.
19:40
Thank you for coming to TED.
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Hvala Vam što ste došli na TED.
19:41
MV: It was a pleasure. Thanks a lot.
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MV: Bilo mi je zadovoljstvo. Hvala mnogo.
19:43
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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