How better tech could protect us from distraction | Tristan Harris

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μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

λ²ˆμ—­: Jaewon Jung κ²€ν† : Gemma Lee
00:13
What does it mean to spend our time well?
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μ‹œκ°„μ„ 잘 μ“΄λ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμ˜ 뜻이 λ­˜κΉŒμš”?
00:20
I spend a lot of my time
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μ €λŠ” μ‹œκ°„μ„ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 쓸지
00:22
thinking about how to spend my time.
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μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ”λ° λ§Žμ€ μ‹œκ°„μ„ μ”λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:26
Probably too much -- I probably obsess over it.
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μ’€ κ³Όν•˜κ²Œ μ‚¬λ‘œμž‘ν˜€ 있죠.
00:29
My friends think I do.
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제 μΉœκ΅¬λŠ” κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ μƒκ°ν•œλŒ€μš”.
00:30
But I feel like I kind of have to, because these days,
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그런데 κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ ν•΄μ•Ό ν•  것 κ°™μ•„μš”. μš”μ¦˜μ—
00:35
it feels like little bits of my time kind of slip away from me,
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μ‹œκ°„μ΄ μ•½κ°„μ”© μ €λ₯Ό λ―Έλ„λŸ¬μ Έ μ§€λ‚˜κ°€λ²„λ¦¬λŠ” λŠλ‚Œμ΄ λ“€μ–΄μš”.
00:39
and when that happens, it feels like parts of my life are slipping away.
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κ·Έ λŠλ‚Œμ΄ λ“€λ©΄ μΈμƒμ˜ 일뢀가 λ―ΈλŒμ–΄μ Έ λ‚˜κ°€λ²„λ¦¬λŠ” λŠλ‚Œμ΄ λ“€μ£ .
00:45
Specifically,
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특히
00:46
it feels like little bits of my time get slipped away
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제 μ‹œκ°„μ΄ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ λ‹€μ–‘ν•˜κ²Œ
00:49
to various things like this,
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λ―ΈλŒμ–΄μ Έ λ‚˜κ°€λ²„λ¦¬λŠ” λŠλ‚Œμ΄ λ“€μ–΄μš”.
00:50
like technology -- I check things.
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기술둜 이것 저것 ν™•μΈν•˜μ£ .
00:53
I'll give you an example.
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예λ₯Ό ν•˜λ‚˜ λ“œλ¦΄κ²Œμš”.
00:55
If this email shows up --
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이런 이메일이 λ‚ μ•„μ˜¨λ‹€λ©΄
00:57
how many of you have gotten an email like this, right?
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λͺ‡λͺ…이 이런 이메일을 λ°›μ•„λ΄€κ² μ£ , κ·Έμ΅Έ?
01:00
I've been tagged in a photo.
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μ œκ°€ 사진에 νƒœκ·Έκ°€ λμ–΄μš”.
01:03
When this appears,
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이게 뜨면
01:05
I can't help but click on it right now.
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μ €λŠ” 확인을 μ•ˆν•  μˆ˜κ°€ μ—†μ–΄μš”.
01:08
Right? Because, like, what if it's a bad photo?
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λ§žμž–μ•„μš”? μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ μ•ˆ 쒋은 μ‚¬μ§„μ΄λ©΄μš”?
01:11
So I have to click it right now.
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μ €λŠ” λ‹Ήμž₯ 클릭해야 ν•΄μš”.
01:13
But I'm not just going to click "See photo,"
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그런데 곧μž₯ "사진보기"λ₯Ό ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ£ .
01:16
what I'm actually going to do is spend the next 20 minutes.
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μ‹€μ œλ‘œλŠ” μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ 20뢄을 더 λ³΄λƒ…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:18
(Laughter)
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(μ›ƒμŒ)
01:20
But the worst part is that I know this is what's going to happen,
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근데 더 μ•ˆμ’‹μ€ 건 λ‹€μŒμ— λ²Œμ–΄μ§ˆ 일을 저도 μ•ˆλ‹€λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
01:24
and even knowing that's what's going to happen
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μ–΄λ–€ 일이 일어날지 μ•Œλ©΄μ„œλ„
01:27
doesn't stop me from doing it again the next time.
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λ‹€μŒ λ²ˆμ— 또 ν•˜κ²Œ 되죠.
01:31
Or I find myself in a situation like this,
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μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ μ œκ°€ 이러고 있죠.
01:36
where I check my email and I pull down to refresh,
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μ œκ°€ 이메일을 ν™•μΈν•˜λŠ” 곳에 화면을 당겨 μƒˆλ‘œ 고치고
01:41
But the thing is that 60 seconds later,
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웃긴 κ±°λŠ” 60초 뒀에
01:44
I'll pull down to refresh again.
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화면을 λ‹Ήκ²¨μ„œ 또 μƒˆλ‘œ κ³ μ³μš”.
01:50
Why am I doing this?
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μ œκ°€ μ™œ μ΄λŸ¬λŠ” κ±ΈκΉŒμš”?
01:51
This doesn't make any sense.
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이해가 μ•ˆ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:55
But I'll give you a hint why this is happening.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ™œ 이런 일이 μƒκΈ°λŠ”μ§€ μ œκ°€ 힌트λ₯Ό λ“œλ¦¬κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:00
What do you think makes more money in the United States
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λ―Έκ΅­μ—μ„œ μ˜ν™”λ³΄λ‹€, κ²Œμž„μž₯보닀, 야ꡬ보닀 λˆμ„ 더 많이 벌 수 μžˆλŠ” 것
02:05
than movies, game parks and baseball combined?
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ€ 어떀거라고 μƒκ°ν•˜μ„Έμš”?
02:13
Slot machines.
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슬둯 머신이죠.
02:17
How can slot machines make all this money
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ 적은 λˆμ„ 가지고 λ…ΈλŠ”λ°
02:20
when we play with such small amounts of money?
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μŠ¬λ‘―λ¨Έμ‹ μœΌλ‘œ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 그런 λ§Žμ€ λˆμ„ λ§Œλ“€κ² μ–΄μš”.
02:26
We play with coins.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 동전을 μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ£ .
02:27
How is this possible?
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μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ κ°€λŠ₯ν• κΉŒμš”?
02:30
Well, the thing is ...
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사싀은
02:33
my phone is a slot machine.
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제 ν•Έλ“œν°μ€ μŠ¬λ‘―λ¨Έμ‹  같은 κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:37
Every time I check my phone,
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μ œκ°€ ν•Έλ“œν°μ„ μˆ˜μ‹œλ‘œ 확인할 λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€
02:39
I'm playing the slot machine to see,
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μŠ¬λ‘―λ¨Έμ‹ μ„ λ‹Ήκ²¨μ„œ 확인을 ν•˜μ£ .
02:42
what am I going to get?
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μ΄λ²ˆμ—” μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ•„μ„κΉŒ?
02:43
What am I going to get?
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μ΄λ²ˆμ—” μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ•„μ„κΉŒ?
02:45
Every time I check my email,
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μ œκ°€ 이메일을 확인할 λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€
02:46
I'm playing the slot machine,
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μŠ¬λ‘―λ¨Έμ‹ μ„ μ‚¬μš©ν•˜λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:48
saying, "What am I going to get?"
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"μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ”ΈκΉŒ?" λ§ν•˜λ©΄μ„œ.
02:50
Every time I scroll a news feed,
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μ œκ°€ λ‰΄μŠ€ν”Όλ“œλ₯Ό 확인할 λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€
02:53
I'm playing the slot machine to see,
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μŠ¬λ‘―λ¨Έμ‹ μ„ 당겨 ν™•μΈν•˜λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:55
what am I going to get next?
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λ‹€μŒμ—” μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ”Έ 수 μžˆμ„κΉŒ?
02:58
And the thing is that,
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μ€‘μš”ν•œ 건 μ΄κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:59
again, knowing exactly how this works -- and I'm a designer,
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또, 이게 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μž‘λ™ν•˜λŠ”μ§€ μ•Œμ•„μ•Όμ£ . μ €λŠ” λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:02
I know exactly how the psychology of this works,
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μ €λŠ” μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 심리학이 μž‘μš©ν•˜λŠ”μ§€ μ •ν™•νžˆ μ•Œκ³  있고
03:04
I know exactly what's going on --
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상황이 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λŒμ•„κ°€λŠ”μ§€ μ•Œμ•„μš”.
03:06
but it doesn't leave me with any choice,
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근데 방법이 없을 뿐이죠.
03:09
I still just get sucked into it.
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μ €λŠ” κ·Έλƒ₯ μ°ΈλŠ” μˆ˜λ°–μ— μ—†μ–΄μš”.
03:12
So what are we going to do?
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 무얼 ν•˜κ²Œ λ κΉŒμš”?
03:14
Because it leaves us with this all-or-nothing relationship
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기술과 λͺ¨ μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ λ„μ˜ 관계에 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:18
with technology, right?
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κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
03:20
You're either on,
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μΌœμ„œ
03:22
and you're connected and distracted all the time,
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μ—°κ²°λ˜μ–΄ 항상 μ‚°λ§Œν•΄μ§€κ±°λ‚˜
03:24
or you're off,
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λ„μ§€λ§Œ
03:26
but then you're wondering,
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걱정을 ν•˜μ£ .
03:28
am I missing something important?
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λ‚΄κ°€ 무슨 μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ±Έ λ†“μ³€λ‚˜?
03:30
In other words, you're either distracted
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λ‹€λ₯Έ 말둜 집쀑λ ₯이 μ‚°λ§Œν•΄μ§€κ±°λ‚˜
03:33
or you have fear of missing out.
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μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ±Έ λ†“μΉ κΉŒλ΄ κ±±μ •ν•˜μ£ .
03:36
Right?
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κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
03:38
So we need to restore choice.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 선택을 μž¬κ΅¬μ„± ν•  ν•„μš”κ°€ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
03:43
We want to have a relationship with technology
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 기술과 관계λ₯Ό 가지고 싢은데
03:46
that gives us back choice about how we spend time with it,
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μ‹œκ°„μ„ λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” 방법에 λŒ€ν•œ μ„ νƒκΆŒμ„ 되찾고 μ‹Άμ–΄μš”.
03:50
and we're going to need help from designers,
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λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆλ“€μ˜ 도움이 ν•„μš”ν•˜κ² μ£ .
03:54
because knowing this stuff doesn't help.
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μ§€μ‹λ§ŒμœΌλ‘œ 해결이 되질 μ•ŠμœΌλ‹ˆκΉŒμš”.
03:57
We're going to need design help.
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λ””μžμΈμ˜ 도움이 ν•„μš”ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:59
So what would that look like?
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κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ κΉŒμš”?
04:02
So let's take an example that we all face:
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 마주칠 μ˜ˆμ‹œλ₯Ό ν•œλ²ˆ λ΄…μ‹œλ‹€.
04:05
chat -- text messaging.
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μ±„νŒ… (λ¬Έμžλ³΄λ‚΄κΈ°).
04:08
So let's say there's two people.
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μ—¬κΈ° 두 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μžˆλ‹€κ³  ν•©μ‹œλ‹€.
04:09
Nancy's on the left and she's working on a document,
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μ™Όμͺ½ λ‚Έμ‹œλŠ” μ„œλ₯˜ μž‘μ„±μ„ ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ„€μš”.
04:12
and John's on the right.
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였λ₯Έμͺ½μ€ μ‘΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:14
And John suddenly remembers,
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쑴은 κ°‘μžκΈ° λ– μ˜¬λ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:16
"I need to ask Nancy for that document before I forget."
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"까먹기 전에 λ‚Έμ‹œν•œν…Œ μ„œλ₯˜μ— λŒ€ν•΄ 물어봐야겠닀."
04:22
So when he sends her that message,
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그리고 쑴은 λ‚Έμ‹œμ˜ 집쀑λ ₯을
04:23
it blows away her attention.
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ννŠΈλ¦¬λŠ” 문자λ₯Ό λ³΄λƒ…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:27
That's what we're doing all the time, bulldozing each other's attention,
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 늘 ν•˜λŠ” 일은 μ„œλ‘œ 집쀑λ ₯을 λ°€μ–΄λ²„λ¦¬λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
04:30
left and right.
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μ™Όμͺ½μ΄λ‚˜ 였λ₯Έμͺ½μ΄λ‚˜.
04:32
And there's serious cost to this,
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그리고 값을 μΉ˜λŸ¬μ•Όλ§Œ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:34
because every time we interrupt each other,
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μ„œλ‘œλ₯Ό λ°©ν•΄ν•  λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€
04:38
it takes us about 23 minutes, on average,
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λ‹€μ‹œ μ§‘μ€‘ν•˜λŠ”λ°
04:42
to refocus our attention.
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평균 23뢄이 κ±Έλ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:43
We actually cycle through two different projects
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 사싀 μ›λž˜ ν•˜λ˜ 일을 ν•˜κΈ° 전에
04:47
before we come back to the original thing we were doing.
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두 가지 λ‹€λ₯Έ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλ₯Ό λ°˜λ³΅ν•΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:50
This is Gloria Mark's research combined with Microsoft research,
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이것은 λ§ˆμ΄ν¬λ‘œμ†Œν”„νŠΈ 섀문쑰사와 μœ΅ν•©λœ κΈ€λ‘œλ¦¬μ•„ λ§ˆν¬μ”¨μ˜ μ„€λ¬Έμ‘°μ‚½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:55
that showed this.
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이 ν˜„μƒμ΄ 발견됐죠.
04:56
And her research also shows that it actually trains bad habits.
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그리고 이 ν˜„μƒμ΄ κ²°κ΅­ λ‚˜μœ μŠ΅κ΄€μ„ ν˜•μ„±μ‹œν‚¨λ‹€κ³  ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:00
The more interruptions we get externally,
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μ™Έμ μœΌλ‘œ λ°©ν•΄λ₯Ό 더 λ°›μ„μˆ˜λ‘
05:03
it's conditioning and training us to interrupt ourselves.
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μžμ‹ μ„ λ°©ν•΄ν•˜κ²Œλ” 쑰건을 λ§Œλ“€κ³  ν›ˆλ ¨μ„ μ‹œν‚€μ£ .
05:08
We actually self-interrupt every three-and-a-half minutes.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 사싀 3.5 λΆ„λ§ˆλ‹€ μžμ‹ μ„ λ°©ν•΄ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:13
This is crazy.
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μœ„ν—˜ν•˜μ£ .
05:14
So how do we fix this?
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이걸 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ κ³ μΉ κΉŒμš”?
05:15
Because Nancy and John are in this all-or-nothing relationship.
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λ‚Έμ‹œμ™€ 쑴은 'λͺ¨ μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ 도' 관계에 λ†“μ—¬μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:18
Nancy might want to disconnect,
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λ‚Έμ‹œλŠ” 연결을 끊고 μ‹Άμ§€λ§Œ
05:20
but then she'd be worried:
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κ·ΈλŸ¬κ³ μ„  걱정이 λ“€κ² μ£ .
05:21
What if I'm missing something important?
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무슨 μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ±Έ λ†“μΉ˜λ©΄ μ–΄λ–‘ν•˜μ§€?
05:24
Design can fix this problem.
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이 문제λ₯Ό λ””μžμΈμœΌλ‘œ ν’€ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:27
Let's say you have Nancy again on the left,
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λ‹€μ‹œ λ‚Έμ‹œκ°€ μ™Όμͺ½μ— μžˆλ‹€κ³  ν•΄λ΄…μ‹œλ‹€.
05:29
John on the right.
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쑴은 였λ₯Έμͺ½μ— μžˆκ³ μš”.
05:30
And John remembers, "I need to send Nancy that document."
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쑴은 "λ‚Έμ‹œμ—κ²Œ λ¬Έμ„œλ₯Ό 보내야지"라고 κΈ°μ–΅ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:33
Except this time,
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그런데 μ΄λ²ˆμ—λŠ”
05:34
Nancy can mark that she's focused.
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λ‚Έμ‹œλŠ” μ§‘μ€‘ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€κ³  μ„€μ •ν•  수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
05:36
Let's say she drags a slider and says,
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κ·Έλ…€κ°€ μŠ¬λΌμ΄λ“œλ₯Ό 내리곀 λ§ν•˜μ£ .
05:38
"I want to be focused for 30 minutes,"
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"30λΆ„λ™μ•ˆλ§Œ μ§‘μ€‘ν•˜κ³  μ‹Άμ–΄μš”"
05:40
so -- bam -- she's focused.
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μ§ , κ·Έλ…€λŠ” μ§‘μ€‘ν–ˆμ£ .
05:42
Now when John wants to message her,
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이제 쑴은 λ‚Έμ‹œμ—κ²Œ 메세지λ₯Ό 보내고 싢을 λ•Œ
05:45
he can get the thought off of his mind --
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신경을 쓰지 μ•Šμ•„λ„ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:47
because he has a need, he has this thought,
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κ·ΈλŠ” μ„œλ₯˜λ₯Ό 보내야 ν•˜κ³  그런 생각을 κ°–κ³  있고
05:49
and he needs to dump it out before he forgets.
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μžŠμ–΄λ²„λ¦¬κΈ° 전에 일을 μ²˜λ¦¬ν•΄μ•Ό ν•΄μš”.
05:52
Except this time,
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이번만 λΉΌκ³ μš”.
05:54
it holds the messages so that Nancy can still focus,
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λ‚Έμ‹œκ°€ 집쀑할 수 μžˆλ„λ‘ λ©”μ„Έμ§€λŠ” 보λ₯˜μ‹œν‚΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:58
but John can get the thought off of his mind.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 쑴은 μžŠμ–΄λ²„λ €λ„ 되죠.
06:02
But this only works if one last thing is true,
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ ν•œ κ°€μ§€λ§Œ ν™•μ‹€ν•˜λ‹€λ©΄ 효λ ₯이 λ°œμƒν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:06
which is that Nancy needs to know that if something is truly important,
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정말 μ€‘μš”ν•œ 상황일 λ•ŒλŠ” λ‚Έμ‹œκ°€ μ•Œμ•„μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
06:11
John can still interrupt.
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쑴은 아직도 κ·Έλ…€λ₯Ό λ°©ν•΄ν•  수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
06:16
But instead of having constant accidental or mindless interruptions,
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λ¬΄μ˜μ‹μ€‘μ— 계속 μ˜λ―Έμ—†λŠ” λ°©ν•΄λ₯Ό ν•˜λŠ” λŒ€μ‹ μ—
06:20
we're now only creating conscious interruptions,
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이제 μ˜μ‹μ μœΌλ‘œ λ°©ν•΄ν•˜λŠ” 방법듀을 κ³ μ•ˆν•˜λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:24
So we're doing two things here.
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μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ 두 가지λ₯Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:26
We're creating a new choice for both Nancy and John,
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λ‚Έμ‹œμ™€ μ‘΄μ—κ²Œ μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ 선택사항을 μ œκ³΅ν•˜λŠ” κ±°μ—μš”.
06:30
But there's a second, subtle thing we're doing here, too.
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그리고 μ—¬κΈ° λ―Έλ¬˜ν•˜κ²Œ ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ” λ‘λ²ˆμ§Έκ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:34
And it's that we're changing the question we're answering.
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ λ‹΅ν•˜λŠ” μ§ˆλ¬Έμ„ λ°”κΎΈλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
06:37
Instead of the goal of chat being:
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μ±„νŒ…μ˜ λͺ©μ μΈ
06:42
"Let's design it so it's easy to send a message" --
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"메세지λ₯Ό 보내기 μ‰½κ²Œ λ””μžμΈν•˜μž"
06:45
that's the goal of chat,
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그게 μ±„νŒ…μ˜ λͺ©μ μΈλ°
06:46
it should be really easy to send a message to someone --
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메세지λ₯Ό λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” 게 정말 μ‰¬μ›Œμ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:49
we change the goal to something deeper and a human value,
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μ €ν¬λŠ” 쑰금 더 깊고 κ°€μΉ˜μžˆλŠ” λͺ©ν‘œλ‘œ λ°©ν–₯을 μ „ν™˜ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:52
which is: "Let's create the highest possible quality communication
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"두 μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ κ΄€κ³„μ—μ„œ κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ μ΅œμƒμ˜ ν’ˆμ§ˆμ˜ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό
06:57
in a relationship between two people.
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ν•  수 μžˆλ„λ‘ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄λ³΄μž."
07:00
So we upgraded the goal.
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κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ μ €ν¬λŠ” λͺ©ν‘œλ₯Ό 상ν–₯μ‹œμΌ°μ£ .
07:03
Now, do designers actually care about this?
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μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ 잠깐 λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆλ“€μ΄ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ 신경을 μ“ΈκΉŒμš”?
07:06
Do we want to have conversations about what these deeper human goals are?
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그리고 μš°λ¦¬λ“€μ΄ μΈκ°„μ˜ ꢁ극적 λͺ©ν‘œμ— λŒ€ν•΄μ„œ λ§ν•˜κ³  μ‹Άμ„κΉŒμš”?
07:12
Well, I'll tell you one story.
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자, μ—¬κΈ° 이야기가 ν•˜λ‚˜ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:14
A little over a year ago,
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일년 μ―€ 전에 μ €λŠ”
07:17
I got to help organize a meeting
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κΈ°μˆ μ„ μ£Όλ„ν•˜λŠ” λͺ‡λͺ‡ λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆμ™€
07:20
between some of technology's leading designers and Thich Nhat Hanh.
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ν‹±λ‚«ν•œμ˜ λ§Œλ‚¨μ„ μ€€λΉ„ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:26
Thich Nhat Hanh is an international spokesperson for mindfulness meditation.
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ν‹±λ‚«ν•œμ€ λ§ˆμŒμ±™κΉ€ λͺ…상에 κ΄€λ ¨λœ 세계적인 λŒ€λ³€μΈμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:31
And it was the most amazing meeting.
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κ·Έ λ§Œλ‚¨μ€ κ°€μž₯ ν›Œλ₯­ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:32
You have to imagine -- picture a room --
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방을 λ– μ˜¬λ € μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
07:34
on one side of the room, you have a bunch of tech geeks;
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방의 ν•œ μͺ½μ—λŠ” 기술 μ „λ¬Έκ°€κ°€ λͺ¨μ—¬ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:38
on the other side of the room,
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방의 λ‹€λ₯Έ μͺ½μ—λŠ”
07:40
you have a bunch of long brown robes, shaved heads, Buddhist monks.
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κΈ΄ κ°ˆμƒ‰μ˜ 가사λ₯Ό μž…κ³  머리λ₯Ό κΉŽμ€ 뢈ꡐ μŠΉλ €λ“€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:46
And the questions were about the deepest human values,
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당신이 μ‹¬μ˜€ν•œ 질문과 μ‹¬μ˜€ν•œ μΈκ°„μ˜ κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό μœ„ν•΄
07:49
like what does the future of technology look like
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λ””μžμΈμ„ ν•  λ•Œ 미래의 기술이 μ–΄λ– ν•œ 양상을 보일지
07:52
when you're designing for the deepest questions
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그런 것에 λŒ€ν•œ μ‹¬μ˜€ν•œ μΈκ°„μ˜ κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό λ‹€λ£¨λŠ”
07:54
and the deepest human values?
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μ§ˆλ¬Έλ“€μ΄ μ£Όμ–΄μ§‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:56
And our conversation centered on listening more deeply
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그리고 μ €ν¬μ˜ λŒ€ν™”λŠ” 그런 것듀이 μ–΄λ–€ κ°€μΉ˜μΌκΉŒ
08:00
to what those values might be.
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λ“£λŠ” 것에 μ΄ˆμ μ„ 맞μΆ₯λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:02
He joked in our conversation
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μš°μŠ€κ°―μ†Œλ¦¬λ‘œ
08:04
that what if, instead of a spell check,
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λ§žμΆ€λ²•μ„ κ²€μ‚¬ν•˜λŠ” λŒ€μ‹ μ—
08:07
you had a compassion check,
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μžλΉ„μ‹¬μ„ κ²€μ‚¬ν•˜λ©΄ μ–΄λ–¨κΉŒ
08:09
meaning, you might highlight a word that might be accidentally abrasive --
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€μ—κ²Œ κ±°μŠ¬λ¦¬λŠ” 말이 될 수 μžˆλŠ”
08:13
perceived as abrasive by someone else.
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단어λ₯Ό μ•Œλ €μ£ΌλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
08:16
So does this kind of conversation happen in the real world,
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이런 λŒ€ν™”μ–‘μƒμ΄ λ””μžμΈ νšŒμ˜μ—μ„œλ§Œ μΌμ–΄λ‚˜λŠ” 게 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ
08:20
not just in these design meetings?
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μ‹€μ œλ‘œ μΌμ–΄λ‚ κΉŒμš”?
08:23
Well, the answer is yes,
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닡은 "κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€"μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:25
and one of my favorites is Couchsurfing.
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μ €λŠ” 카우치 μ„œν•‘μ„ μ¦κΉλ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:28
If you didn't know, Couchsurfing is a website
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카우치 μ„œν•‘μ€ μ—¬ν–‰μžμ—κ²Œ
08:30
that matches people who are looking for a place to stay
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곡짜 μ‡ΌνŒŒλ₯Ό μ œκ³΅ν•˜λŠ”, μˆ™μ†Œλ₯Ό μ œκ³΅ν•˜λŠ”
08:34
with a free couch, from someone who's trying to offer it.
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μ‚¬λžŒλ“€κ³Ό μ—°κ²°μ‹œμΌœμ£ΌλŠ” μ›Ήμ‚¬μ΄νŠΈμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:38
So, great service --
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쒋은 μ„œλΉ„μŠ€μ£ .
08:39
what would their design goal be?
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κ·Έλ“€μ˜ λ””μžμΈ λͺ©ν‘œλŠ” λ¬΄μ—‡μΌκΉŒμš”?
08:41
What are you designing for if you work at Couchsurfing?
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당신이 카우치 μ„œν•‘μ— μΌν•œλ‹€λ©΄ 무엇을 λ””μžμΈ ν• κ±΄κ°€μš”?
08:44
Well, you would think it's to match guests with hosts.
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당신은 집 주인과 방문객을 μ—°κ²°μ‹œμΌœμ€€λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜κ² μ£ .
08:49
Right?
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κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
08:50
That's a pretty good goal.
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쒋은 λͺ©ν‘œμ΄κΈ΄ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:52
But that would kind of be like our goal with messaging before,
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ©”μ‹ μ €λ₯Ό λ””μžμΈ ν•  λ•Œμ˜ λͺ©ν‘œμ™€ λΉ„μŠ·ν•˜κ΅°μš”.
08:54
where we're just trying to deliver a message.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ 메세지λ₯Ό μ „λ‹¬ν•˜λŠ” 것.
08:57
So what's the deeper, human goal?
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μ’€ 더 깊게 κ°€λ΄…μ‹œλ‹€, 인λ₯˜μ˜ λͺ©ν‘œ?
09:00
Well, they set their goal
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그듀은 μžμ‹ μ˜ λͺ©ν‘œλ₯Ό μ„€μ •ν•˜μ£ .
09:02
as the need to create lasting, positive experiences and relationships
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λ§Œλ‚˜λ³Έ 적 μ—†λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€λΌλ¦¬ 쒋은 κ²½ν—˜κ³Ό 관계λ₯Ό μ΄μ–΄λ‚˜κ°ˆ 수 μžˆλ„λ‘
09:07
between people who've never met before.
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λ§Œλ“€ ν•„μš”κ°€ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
09:11
And the most amazing thing about this was in 2007,
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κ°€μž₯ λ†€λΌμš΄ 것은 2007년도에 μžˆμ—ˆλ˜ μΌμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:13
they introduced a way to measure this,
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λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆλ“€μ€ λ†€λžκ²Œλ„ 이λ₯Ό 잴 수 μžˆλŠ”
09:16
which is incredible.
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방법을 μ œμ‹œν–ˆμ£ .
09:18
I'll tell you how it works.
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μ œκ°€ μ„€λͺ…λ“œλ¦΄κ²Œμš”.
09:19
For every design goal you have,
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λͺ¨λ“  λ””μžμΈ λͺ©ν‘œμ— λŒ€ν•΄
09:20
you have to have a corresponding measurement
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μƒμΆ©ν•˜λŠ” 츑정법을 가지고 μžˆμ–΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:23
to know how you're doing --
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당신이 뭘 ν•˜λŠ”μ§€ μ•Œμ•„μ•Όμ£ .
09:24
a way of measuring success.
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성곡을 μΈ‘μ •ν•˜λŠ” λ°©λ²•μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:26
So what they do is,
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ ν•˜λŠ” 것은
09:27
let's say you take two people who meet up,
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금방 λ§Œλ‚œ 두 μ‚¬λžŒμ„ 예둜 λ“€μ–΄
09:32
and they take the number of days those two people spent together,
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ν•¨κ»˜ 보낸 μˆ˜λ§Žμ€ λ‚ λ“€
09:37
and then they estimate how many hours were in those days --
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κ·Έ λ‚  μ€‘μ—μ„œ λͺ‡ μ‹œκ°„μ„ ν•¨κ»˜ λ³΄λƒˆλŠ”μ§€ μΈ‘μ •ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:41
how many hours did those two people spend together?
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두 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ ν•¨κ»˜ 보낸 μ‹œκ°„μ€ λͺ‡ μ‹œκ°„μ΄λ‚˜ λ κΉŒμš”?
09:43
And then after they spend that time together,
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그듀이 ν•¨κ»˜ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 보낸 λ‹€μŒμ—
09:46
they ask both of them:
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μ„œλ‘œμ—κ²Œ λ¬»μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:47
How positive was your experience?
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이 κ²½ν—˜μ΄ μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ κΈμ •μ μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
09:49
Did you have a good experience with this person that you met?
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당신이 λ§Œλ‚¬λ˜ 이 μ‚¬λžŒκ³Ό 쒋은 κ²½ν—˜μ„ μŒ“μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
09:52
And they subtract from those positive hours
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그리곀 그듀은 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 인터넷을 μ‚¬μš©ν•œ μ‹œκ°„μ—μ„œ
09:56
the amount of time people spent on the website,
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κ·Έ κΈμ •μ μ΄μ—ˆλ˜ μ‹œκ°„λ“€μ„ λΊλ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:00
because that's a cost to people's lives.
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이게 μ‚Άμ˜ κ°’μ–΄μΉ˜λ‹ˆκΉŒμš”.
10:03
Why should we value that as success?
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μ™œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 이λ₯Ό μ„±κ³΅μœΌλ‘œ μΉ˜λΆ€ν• κΉŒμš”?
10:06
And what you were left with
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그리고 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ—κ²Œ 남은 것은
10:07
is something they refer to as "net orchestrated conviviality,"
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"μΈν„°λ„·μœΌλ‘œ 편곑된 연주곑"이라 λΆˆλ¦΄λ§Œν•œ 것이죠.
10:12
or, really, just a net "Good Times" created.
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μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ κ·Έμ € μΈν„°λ„·μœΌλ‘œ 쒋은 μ‹œκ°„ λ³΄λ‚Έκ±°κ³ μš”.
10:15
The net hours that would have never existed, had Couchsurfing not existed.
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카우치 μ„œν•‘μ΄ μ—†μ—ˆλ‹€λ©΄ μΈν„°λ„·μœΌλ‘œ 보낼 μ‹œκ°„λ„ μ—†κ² μ£ .
10:20
Can you imagine how inspiring it would be to come to work every day
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맀일 μΌν•˜λŸ¬ μ™€μ„œ λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 성곡을 잴 수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
10:24
and measure your success
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μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ μ˜κ°μ μΌμ§€ μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ…¨λ‚˜μš”?
10:26
in the actual net new contribution of hours in people's lives
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κΈμ •μ μœΌλ‘œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ˜ 삢에 μƒˆλ‘­κ²Œ κΈ°μ—¬ν•œ μ‹€μ œ μ‹œκ°„μ€
10:31
that are positive, that would have never existed
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당신이 μ˜€λŠ˜λ‚  ν•˜λ €λ˜ 것을 ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜λ‹€λ©΄
10:33
if you didn't do what you were about to do at work today?
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μ‘΄μž¬ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μ„ 지도 λͺ¨λ₯΄μ£ .
10:37
Can you imagine a whole world that worked this way?
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μ „ 세계가 κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ 일을 ν•œλ‹€λ©΄?
10:43
Can you imagine a social network that --
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λ©”μ‹ μ €κ°€ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ 될지 μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ…¨λ‚˜μš” .
10:46
let's say you care about cooking,
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당신이 μš”λ¦¬μ— 관심을 λ‘”λ‹€ν•©μ‹œλ‹€.
10:47
and it measured its success in terms of cooking nights organized
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당신이 μš”λ¦¬ν•œ λ°€λ“€κ³Ό 당신이 μ½μ–΄μ„œ 기뻀던 κΈ°μ‚¬λ“€λ‘œ
10:51
and the cooking articles that you were glad you read,
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λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 성곡을 μΈ‘μ •ν•˜κ³ 
10:53
and subtracted from that the articles you weren't glad you read
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당신이 읽기 λΆˆνŽΈν–ˆλ˜ 기사듀과 λ¬΄μ˜λ―Έν•˜κ²Œ 마우슀λ₯Ό λ‚΄λ¦¬λ˜
10:56
or the time you spent scrolling that you didn't like?
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μ‹œκ°„λ“€μ„ μΈ‘μ •λœ μ‹œκ°„μ—μ„œ μ°¨κ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:00
Imagine a professional social network
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전문적인 μ‚¬νšŒκΈ°λ°˜ μ„œλΉ„μŠ€λ‘œ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ§„
11:03
that, instead of measuring its success in terms of connections created
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인간관계와 λ³΄λƒˆλ˜ λ©”μ„Έμ§€λ“€λ‘œ
11:07
or messages sent,
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성곡을 μΈ‘μ •ν•˜λŠ” λŒ€μ‹ μ—
11:09
instead measured its success in terms of the job offers that people got
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μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 기쁘게 μ œμ•ˆλ°›μ•˜λ˜ μ§μ—…λ“€λ‘œ 성곡이 츑정이 λœλ‹€κ³ 
11:13
that they were excited to get.
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상상을 ν•΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
11:16
And subtracted the amount of time people spent on the website.
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그리고 μ›Ήμ‚¬μ΄νŠΈμ— νˆ¬μžν•œ μ‹œκ°„μ„ λΉΌλŠ”κ±°μ£ .
11:20
Or imagine dating services,
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λ˜λŠ” 데이트 μ„œλΉ„μŠ€λ₯Ό λ΄…μ‹œλ‹€.
11:23
like maybe Tinder or something,
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틴더 같은 것듀 말이죠.
11:25
where instead of measuring the number of swipes left and right people did,
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였늘 성곡을 μΈ‘μ •ν•˜λŠ” λ°©λ²•μœΌλ‘œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μ™Όμͺ½ 였λ₯Έμͺ½μœΌλ‘œ μŠ€ν¬λ‘€μ„
11:28
which is how they measure success today,
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λ„˜κΈ°λŠ” κ±Έ μ„ΈλŠ” λŒ€μ‹ μ—
11:31
instead measured the deep, romantic, fulfilling connections people created.
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깊고, λ‚­λ§Œμ μ΄κ³ , 성취감 μžˆλŠ” λŠλ‚Œμ„ λŠκΌˆλŠ”κ°€μ— 따라 츑정을 ν•΄λ΄…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:38
Whatever that was for them, by the way.
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그듀을 μœ„ν•œ λ°©μ‹μœΌλ‘œ 말이죠.
11:43
But can you imagine a whole world that worked this way,
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ΄ 세상이 μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ λŒμ•„κ°„λ‹€κ³  상상할 수 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
11:47
that was helping you spend your time well?
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ΄ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 잘 λ³΄λƒˆλ‹€κ³  ν•˜κΈ°μ— 말이죠.
11:51
Now to do this you also need a new system,
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이λ₯Ό μœ„ν•΄μ„  μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ μ‹œμŠ€ν…œμ΄ ν•„μš”ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:53
because you're probably thinking,
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ€ μ˜€λŠ˜λ‚ μ˜ 인터넷 κ²½μ œκ°€
11:54
today's Internet economy --
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μ „μ²΄μ μœΌλ‘œ μ˜€λŠ˜λ‚ μ˜ κ²½κΈ°κ°€
11:56
today's economy in general --
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ΄ λ³΄λ‚Έμ‹œκ°„μœΌλ‘œ
11:57
is measured in time spent.
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츑정될거라 μƒκ°ν• ν…Œμ£ .
11:59
The more users you have,
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μ‚¬μš©μžκ°€ 더 λ§Žμ„μˆ˜λ‘
12:01
the more usage you have,
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μ‚¬μš©λ₯ μ΄ 더 λ†’μ„μˆ˜λ‘
12:02
the more time people spend,
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μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 더 μ“Έμˆ˜λ‘
12:03
that's how we measure success.
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이 기쀀에 μ„±κ³΅μ˜ 척도λ₯Ό κ°€λ₯΄μ£ .
12:06
But we've solved this problem before.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 이미 문제λ₯Ό ν’€μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:09
We solved it with organic,
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 정말 κΉ¨λ—ν•˜κ²Œ ν•΄κ²°ν–ˆμ£ .
12:11
when we said we need to value things a different way.
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ λ‹€λ₯Έ λ°©μ‹μœΌλ‘œ κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό 맀겨야 ν•œλ‹€κ³  ν• λ•Œ
12:14
We said this is a different kind of food.
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이것이 λ‹€λ₯Έ μ’…λ₯˜λΌκ³  이야기 ν–ˆμ£ .
12:19
So we can't compare it just based on price;
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ°€κ²©λ§ŒμœΌλ‘œ 비ꡐ할 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:21
this is a different category of food.
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이건 λ‹€λ₯Έ λ²”μ£Όμ˜ μŒμ‹μ΄λ‹ˆκΉŒμš”.
12:23
We solved it with Leed Certification,
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μ €ν¬λŠ” λ¦¬λ“œ 증λͺ…μœΌλ‘œ ν•΄κ²°ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:25
where we said this is a different kind of building
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” μ—¬κΈ°κ°€ λ‹€λ₯Έ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ 건물이라고 λ§ν•œ κ³³μ—μ„œ
12:29
that stood for different values of environmental sustainability.
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ν™˜κ²½μ˜ 지속가λŠ₯성에 λŒ€ν•œ λ‹€λ₯Έ κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό μ„Έμ› μ£ .
12:34
What if we had something like that for technology?
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이것을 κΈ°μˆ μ— μ μš©ν•œλ‹€λ©΄μš”?
12:39
What if we had something whose entire purpose and goal
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총체적 λͺ©ν‘œμ™€ λͺ©μ μ΄ 인λ₯˜μ˜ 삢에 κΈμ •μ μœΌλ‘œ
12:44
was to help create net new positive contributions to human life?
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인터넷 μƒμ—μ„œ κΈ°μ—¬λ₯Ό ν•˜λŠ” 것을 가지고 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄μš”?
12:50
And what if we could value it a different way,
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그리고 μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 이λ₯Ό λ‹€λ₯Έ λ°©μ‹μœΌλ‘œ κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό 맀길 수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄μš”.
12:54
so it would actually work?
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μ •λ§λ‘œ νš¨κ³Όκ°€ μž‘μš©ν• κΉŒμš”?
12:56
Imagine you gave this different premium shelf space on app stores.
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ μ•±μŠ€ν† μ–΄μ—μ„œ 프리미엄 μ„ λ°˜μŠ€νŽ˜μ΄μŠ€λ₯Ό μ œκ³΅ν–ˆλ‹€κ³  μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
13:00
Imagine you had web browsers that helped route you
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λ‹€λ₯Έ λ””μžμΈ μƒν’ˆλ“€λ‘œ μ΄λŒμ–΄ 쀄 수 μžˆλŠ” μ›ΉλΈŒλΌμš°μ €κ°€
13:02
to these kinds of design products.
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μžˆμ—ˆλ‹€κ³  μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
13:07
Can you imagine how exciting it would be to live and create that world?
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그런 세상을 μ°½μ‘°ν•΄μ„œ μ‚΄λ©΄ μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ ν₯λ―Έλ‘œμšΈμ§€ μƒμƒν•΄λ΄€μ–΄μš”?
13:13
We can create this world today.
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μ˜€λŠ˜λ‚  μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 이런 세상을 μ°½μ‘°ν•  수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:16
Company leaders, all you have to do --
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νšŒμ‚¬μ˜ μ§€λ„μž μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ΄ ν•  일은
13:19
only you can prioritize a new metric,
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μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ 미터법
13:23
which is your metric for net positive contribution to human life.
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인λ₯˜μ˜ 인터넷 삢에 긍정적 κΈ°μ—¬λ₯Ό ν•˜λŠ” 미터법을 μš°μ„ μˆœμœ„λ‘œ 두고
13:27
And have an honest conversation about that.
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μ •μ§ν•œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:29
Maybe you're not doing so well to start with,
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μ•„λ§ˆ μ‹œμž‘μ΄ 쒋지 μ•Šμ„ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:31
but let's start that conversation.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 이 λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό μ‹œμž‘ν•΄λ³΄μ£ .
13:35
Designers, you can redefine success; you can redefine design.
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λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„λ“€μ€ 성곡과 λ””μžμΈμ„ μž¬μ •μ˜ ν•  수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:40
Arguably, you have more power than many people in your organization
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μ£Όμž₯ν•˜κ±΄λ° μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 쑰직에 μžˆλŠ” λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€λ³΄λ‹€
13:44
to create the choices that all of us live by.
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μ‚΄μ•„κ°ˆ 수 μžˆλŠ” μ„ νƒκΆŒμ„ λ§Œλ“œλŠ”λ° 훨씬 더 힘이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:48
Maybe like in medicine,
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μ˜λ£Œκ³„μ—λŠ”
13:49
where we have a Hippocratic oath
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νžˆν¬ν¬λΌν…ŒμŠ€μ˜ μ„ μ„œκ°€ μžˆμ–΄
13:51
to recognize the responsibility and this higher value
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ν™˜μžλ“€μ„ 돌볼 λ•Œ 더 높은 κ°€μΉ˜μ™€ μ±…μž„μ„
13:55
that we have to treat patients.
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인지해야 ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌ
13:57
What if designers had something like that,
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λ””μžμ΄λ„ˆλ“€λ„ μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ λ””μžμΈμ— λŒ€ν•΄
13:59
in terms of this new kind of design?
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그와 λΉ„μŠ·ν•œ 게 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ μ–΄λ–¨κΉŒμš”?
14:02
And users, for all of us --
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그리고 우리 μ‚¬μš©μžλ“€μ„ μœ„ν•΄
14:04
we can demand technology that works this way.
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νš¨κ³Όκ°€ μž‘μš©ν•˜λŠ” κΈ°μˆ μ„ μš”κ΅¬ν•  수 μžˆλŠ”κ±°μ£ .
14:09
Now it may seem hard,
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νž˜λ“€ 수 μžˆμ„ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:10
but McDonald's didn't have salads until the consumer demand was there.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ†ŒλΉ„μžμ˜ μš”κ΅¬κ°€ μ—†μ—ˆλ‹€λ©΄ λ§₯λ„λ‚ λ“œμ— μƒλŸ¬λ“œκ°€ μ—†μ—ˆκ² μ£ .
14:16
Walmart didn't have organic food until the consumer demand was there.
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μ†ŒλΉ„μžμ˜ μš”κ΅¬κ°€ μ—†μ—ˆλ‹€λ©΄ μ›”λ§ˆνŠΈμ— μœ κΈ°λ† μŒμ‹μ΄ μ—†μ—ˆκ² μ£ .
14:20
We have to demand this new kind of technology.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ κΈ°μˆ μ„ μš”κ΅¬ν•΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:26
And we can do that.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ν•  수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
14:28
And doing that
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그리고 μ‹€μ²œμ€
14:29
would amount to shifting from a world that's driven and run
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μ‚¬μš©ν•œ μ‹œκ°„λ§Œμ„ 근거둜 운용된 μ„ΈμƒμœΌλ‘œλΆ€ν„°
14:33
entirely on time spent,
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잘 μ‚¬μš©ν•œ μ‹œκ°„μœΌλ‘œ
14:37
to world that's driven by time well spent.
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μš΄μš©λ˜λŠ” μ„ΈμƒμœΌλ‘œ λ°”κΎΈλŠ” 것이죠.
14:43
I want to live in this world,
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μ €λŠ” 이 세상에 μ‚΄κ³  μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:45
and I want this conversation to happen.
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이 λŒ€ν™”κ°€ μ΄λ£¨μ–΄μ‘ŒμœΌλ©΄ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:48
Let's start that conversation now.
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이 λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό μ‹œμž‘ν•©μ‹œλ‹€.
14:51
Thank you.
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κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:52
(Applause)
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