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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Chaelin Park ๊ฒ€ํ† : leeji cho
00:12
Chris Anderson: Perhaps we could start by just telling us about your country.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋ณธ์ธ์˜ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
00:16
It's three dots there on the globe. Those dots are pretty huge.
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์ง€๊ตฌ์—๋Š” ์„ธ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ ์ ๋“ค์€ ๊ฝค ํฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:20
I think each one is about the size of California.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ฐ ์ ์˜ ํฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„ ์ •๋„ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:23
Tell us about Kiribati.
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ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ์ฃ .
00:24
Anote Tong: Well, let me first begin by saying how deeply grateful I am
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ ํ†ต: ์Œ, ๋จผ์ € ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
for this opportunity to share my story with people who do care.
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์ฃผ์‹œ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ์š”.
00:33
I think I've been sharing my story with a lot of people who don't care too much.
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๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์—†์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
00:39
But Kiribati is comprised of three groups of islands:
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ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ๋Š” ์„ธ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์ œ๋„๋กœ ์ด๋ค„์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
the Gilbert Group on the west,
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์„œ์ชฝ์˜ ๊ธธ๋ฒ„ํŠธ ์ œ๋„์™€,
00:45
we have the Phoenix Islands in the middle,
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์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ํ”ผ๋‹‰์Šค ์ œ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”,
00:49
and the Line Islands in the east.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋™์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ผ์ธ ์ œ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:53
And quite frankly, Kiribati is perhaps the only country
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€์š”, ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ ์œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ
00:56
that is actually in the four corners of the world,
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์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ๋„ค ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
because we are in the Northern Hemisphere, in the Southern Hemisphere,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถ๋ฐ˜๊ตฌ์— ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”, ๋‚จ๋ฐ˜๊ตฌ์— ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”,
01:02
and also in the east and the west of the International Date Line.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ตญ์ œ ๋‚ ์งœ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์„ ์˜ ๋™์ชฝ๊ณผ ์„œ์ชฝ์— ์žˆ์ฃ .
01:05
These islands are entirely made up of coral atolls,
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์ด ์ œ๋„๋“ค์€ ์ „๋ถ€ ํ™˜์ƒ ์‚ฐํ˜ธ๋„๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ ธ์žˆ๊ณ 
01:11
and on average about two meters above sea level.
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ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ‰๊ท  2m ์ •๋„ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™€์žˆ์ฃ .
01:16
And so this is what we have.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:20
Usually not more than two kilometers in width.
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๋ณดํ†ต ๋„ˆ๋น„๊ฐ€ 2km๋ฅผ ๋„˜์ง€์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
And so, on many occasions, I've been asked by people,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด๋“ค ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
"You know, you're suffering, why don't you move back?"
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"์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ๋“ค ํž˜๋“ค์ž–์•„์š”. ์ข€ ๋’ค๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋•Œ์š”?"
01:30
They don't understand.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ดํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•ด์š”.
01:31
They have no concept of what it is that's involved.
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๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐœ๋…์ด ์—†์ฃ .
01:35
With the rising sea, they say, "Well, you can move back."
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ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์ด ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งํ•˜์ฃ , "๋’ค๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๋ฉด ๋˜์ž–์•„์š”."
01:39
And so this is what I tell them.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:40
If we move back, we will fall off on the other side of the ocean. OK?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋’ค๋กœ ์›€์ง์ด๋ฉด์š”, ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€์ชฝ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋กœ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ์š”. ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
01:45
But these are the kinds of issues that people don't understand.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ดํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
01:50
CA: So certainly this is just a picture of fragility there.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ํ—ˆ๋ฌดํ•˜๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
01:54
When was it that you yourself realized
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๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๊ณง ์œ„ํ—˜์ด ๋‹ฅ์นœ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
01:56
that there might be impending peril for your country?
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๋ณธ์ธ์ด ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์ œ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
02:00
AT: Well, the story of climate change has been one that has been going on
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†๋˜์–ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:03
for quite a number of decades.
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์ˆ˜ ์‹ญ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ์ด์š”.
02:05
And when I came into office in 2003,
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2003๋…„์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ทจ์ž„ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
02:10
I began talking about climate change at the United Nations General Assembly,
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์ €๋Š” ์œ ์—” ์ดํšŒ์—์„œ ๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:14
but not with so much passion,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํฐ ์—ด์ •์€ ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
02:17
because then there was still this controversy among the scientists
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋„ ๊ณผํ•™์ž๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:20
whether it was human-induced, whether it was real or it wasn't.
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์ธ๊ฐ„๋“ค๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์œ ๋ฐœ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ๋˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์žฌํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€์š”.
02:26
But I think that that debate was fairly much concluded in 2007
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์€ 2007๋…„์— ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ด ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:32
with the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC,
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IPCC์˜ ๋„ค ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ‰๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ณ ์—์„œ
02:37
which made a categorical statement that it is real, it's human-induced,
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๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ์‹ค์žฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์ธ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์œ ๋ฐœ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‹จ์ •์  ์ง„์ˆ ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:44
and it's predicting some very serious scenarios
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•œ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋“ค์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
for countries like mine.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
02:51
And so that's when I got very serious.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•ด์ง„ ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:54
In the past, I talked about it.
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š”,
02:58
We were worried.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฑ์ •์„ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
02:59
But when the scenarios, the predictions came in 2007,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ 2007๋…„์— ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค, ๊ทธ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๋ฉด์„œ
03:03
it became a real issue for us.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์‹ค์ œ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
CA: Now, those predictions are, I think, that by 2100,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋“ค์€ 2100๋…„๊นŒ์ง€
03:11
sea levels are forecast to rise perhaps three feet.
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ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์ด ์•„๋งˆ 3ํ”ผํŠธ ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
03:14
There's scenarios where it's higher than that, for sure,
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋†’์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”.
03:17
but what would you say to a skeptic who said,
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์–ด๋–ค ํšŒ์˜์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ• ๋•Œ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹ค๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
03:19
"What's three feet?
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"3ํ”ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์–ด์ฉ๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”?"
03:20
You're on average six feet above sea level.
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ‰๊ท ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์—์„œ 6ํ”ผํŠธ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™€์žˆ์–ด์š”."
03:22
What's the problem?"
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"๋ญ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"
03:24
AT: Well, I think it's got to be understood
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
03:26
that a marginal rise in sea level
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๋ฏธ๋ฏธํ•œ ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์˜ ์ƒ์Šน์œผ๋กœ
03:28
would mean a loss of a lot of land,
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๋งŽ์€ ๋•…๋“ค์ด ์œ ์‹ค๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:30
because much of the land is low.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ๋•…๋“ค์ด ๋‚ฎ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
03:34
And quite apart from that, we are getting the swells at the moment.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์—๋„ ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:39
So it's not about getting two feet.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ 2ํ”ผํŠธ ์ƒ์Šน์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:41
I think what many people do not understand
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
03:44
is they think climate change is something that is happening in the future.
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๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:50
Well, we're at the very bottom end of the spectrum.
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์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ˜„์ƒ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
It's already with us.
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๋ฒŒ์จ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฅ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
We have communities who already have been dislocated.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ์—๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ์ง€์—ญ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
They have had to move, and every parliament session,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด์ฃผํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ตญํšŒ ๊ฐœํšŒ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค,
04:02
I'm getting complaints from different communities
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ํ•ญ์˜์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:05
asking for assistance to build seawalls,
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๋ฐฉํŒŒ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ง“๊ณ  ๋‹ด์ˆ˜ ๋ Œ์ฆˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด
04:08
to see what we can do about the freshwater lens
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์›์กฐ๋ฅผ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
04:10
because it's being destroyed,
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์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํŒŒ๊ดด๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”,
04:12
and so in my trips to the different islands,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์„ฌ๋“ค์„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•  ๋•Œ ๋งˆ๋‹ค,
04:15
I'm seeing evidence of communities
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์ง€์—ญ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ”์ ๋“ค์„ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:18
which are now having to cope with the loss of food crops,
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๊ทธ ํ”์ ๋“ค์ด๋ž€ ๋†์ž‘๋ฌผ ์†์‹ค๊ณผ
04:21
the contamination of the water lenses,
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๋ฌผ ๋ Œ์ฆˆ๋“ค์˜ ์˜ค์—ผ์„ ๋ง‰์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:25
and I see these communities perhaps leaving, having to relocate,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋– ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ๋“ค, ์žฌ์ •์ฐฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ๋“ค์„ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
within five to 10 years.
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ 5๋…„์—์„œ 10๋…„ ๋‚ด์—์š”.
04:32
CA: And then, I think the country suffered its first cyclone,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก  ํ”ผํ•ด๋ฅผ ์ž…์€ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
04:35
and this is connected, yes? What happened here?
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์ด๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
04:39
AT: Well, we're on the equator,
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์˜ˆ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ ๋„์— ์œ„์น˜ํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
and I'm sure many of you understand that when you're on the equator,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ ๋„์— ์œ„์น˜ํ•ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
04:46
it's supposed to be in the doldrums. We're not supposed to get the cyclones.
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์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก ์ด ์•ฝํ•ด์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก ์„ ๋งž์•„์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ๋˜์ฃ .
04:50
We create them, and then we send them either north or south.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ชฝ์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฒจ์„œ, ๋ถ์ชฝ์ด๋“  ๋‚จ์ชฝ์ด๋“  ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:54
But they aren't supposed to come back.
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์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก ์ด ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋ฉด ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
04:56
But for the first time, at the beginning of this year,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ, ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ดˆ
04:58
the Cyclone Pam, which destroyed Vanuatu,
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ํŒœ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก ์ด ๋ฐ”๋ˆ„์•„ํˆฌ๋ฅผ ํŒŒ๊ดด์‹œ์ผฐ๊ณ 
05:02
and in the process, the very edges of it actually touched
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ, ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
05:06
our two southernmost islands,
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์ตœ๋‚จ๋‹จ์˜ ๋‘ ์„ฌ์„ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:08
and all of Tuvalu was underwater when Hurricane Pam struck.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์ดํด๋ก  ํŒœ์ด ๋‹ฅ์ณค์„๋•Œ ํˆฌ๋ฐœ๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์— ์ž ๊ฒผ์—ˆ์ฃ .
05:13
But for our two southernmost islands,
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์ตœ๋‚จ๋‹จ์— ์œ„์น˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ ๋‘๊ฐœ์˜ ์„ฌ์—์š”,
05:17
we had waves come over half the island,
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ํŒŒ๋„๋กœ ์„ฌ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์ด ๋ฎํ˜”์—ˆ๊ณ ์š”,
05:21
and so this has never happened before.
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์ „์—๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
It's a new experience.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—์š”.
05:25
And I've just come back from my own constituency,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ตฌ์—์„œ ๋Œ์•„์˜จ์ง€ ์–ผ๋งˆ ์•ˆ๋ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
05:30
and I've seen these beautiful trees which had been there for decades,
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์ˆ˜ ์‹ญ๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๋‚˜๋ฌด๋“ค์ด
05:33
they've been totally destroyed.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ํŒŒ๊ดด๋œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
So this is what's happening,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด์ฃ .
05:37
but when we talk about the rising sea level,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด ์ƒ์Šน์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ,
05:41
we think it's something that happens gradually.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:44
It comes with the winds, it comes with the swells,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜์˜ค๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„˜์‹ค๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ ์˜ค์ฃ .
05:47
and so they can be magnified,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ .
05:49
but what we are beginning to witness is the change in the weather pattern,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐํ›„ ํŒจํ„ด์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™” ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:55
which is perhaps the more urgent challenge
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์•„๋งˆ ๋” ์‹œ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ผ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:58
that we will face sooner than perhaps the rising sea level.
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์•„๋งˆ ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์˜ ์ƒ์Šน๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋จผ์ € ๋งž๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:03
CA: So the country is already seeing effects now.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ง•ํ›„๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
06:06
As you look forward,
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณผ ๋•Œ,
06:08
what are your options as a country, as a nation?
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ์„ ํƒ์ง€๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
06:12
AT: Well, I've been telling this story every year.
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งค๋…„ ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:15
I think I visit a number of --
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์ €๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ณณ์„ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ
06:16
I've been traveling the world to try and get people to understand.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ดํ•ด์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์™”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:21
We have a plan, we think we have a plan.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
06:24
And on one occasion, I think I spoke in Geneva
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์€ ์ œ๋„ค๋ฐ”์—์„œ ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
and there was a gentleman who was interviewing me
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์ €๋ฅผ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‚จ์ž ๋ถ„์ด ๊ณ„์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
06:31
on something like this,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”.
06:33
and I said, "We are looking at floating islands,"
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ , "์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋– ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์„ฌ๋“ค์„ ๊ตฌ์ƒ ์ค‘์ด์˜ˆ์š”,"
06:35
and he thought it was funny, but somebody said,
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ„์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
06:38
"No, this is not funny. These people are looking for solutions."
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"์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ด๊ฑด ์›ƒ๊ธด๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ˆ์š”. ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…๋“ค์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”."
06:42
And so I have been looking at floating islands.
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์ €๋Š” ๋– ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์„ฌ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:45
The Japanese are interested in building floating islands.
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์ผ๋ณธ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋– ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ฌ์„ ์ง“๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:49
But, as a country, we have made a commitment
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ์„œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:52
that no matter what happens, we will try as much as possible
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋„, ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ ์ตœ์„ ์˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:56
to stay and continue to exist as a nation.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ ๊ณ„์† ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ง€์†๋˜๋„๋ก ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
07:00
What that will take,
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์€
07:01
it's going to be something quite significant,
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๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
very, very substantial.
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๋งค์šฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ์š”.
07:07
Either we live on floating islands,
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์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋– ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ฌ์— ์‚ด๋“ ์ง€,
07:09
or we have to build up the islands to continue to stay out of the water
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๋ฌผ ๋ฐ–์— ๊ณ„์† ์ง€๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ฌ์„ ์ง€์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
as the sea level rises and as the storms get more severe.
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ํ•ด์ˆ˜๋ฉด์ด ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๊ณ  ํญํ’์ด ๋” ์žฆ์•„์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด์š”.
07:17
But even that, it's going to be very, very difficult
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์€
07:20
to get the kind of resourcing that we would need.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์ž์›์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:23
CA: And then the only recourse is some form of forced migration.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์˜์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฐ•์ œ ์ด์ฃผ๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
07:27
AT: Well, we are also looking at that
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์Œ, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:29
because in the event that nothing comes forward
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ค ์›์กฐ๋„
07:32
from the international community,
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๊ตญ์ œ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—
07:34
we are preparing,
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๋Œ€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:35
we don't want to be caught like what's happening in Europe.
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์œ ๋Ÿฝ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
07:38
OK? We don't want to mass migrate at some point in time.
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์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ๋•Œ์—๋„ ์ด๋ฏผ์„ ๋ง์น˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:41
We want to be able to give the people the choice today,
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ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ ํƒ๊ถŒ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
those who choose and want to do that, to migrate.
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์ด๋ฏผ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์š”.
07:48
We don't want something to happen that they are forced to migrate
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ด์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์š”๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์›์น˜ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:53
without having been prepared to do so.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ์ค€๋น„๋„ ์—†์ด์š”.
07:55
Of course, our culture is very different, our society is very different,
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ณ , ์‚ฌํšŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:59
and once we migrate into a different environment,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด,
08:01
a different culture,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”๋กœ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
08:02
there's a whole lot of adjustments that are required.
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์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ ์‘์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
CA: Well, there's forced migration in your country's past,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ์— ๊ฐ•์ œ ์ด๋ฏผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
08:09
and I think just this week,
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ,
08:10
just yesterday or the day before yesterday,
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์–ด์ œ, ํ˜น์€ ๊ทธ์ €๊ป˜
08:14
you visited these people.
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜์…จ์ฃ .
08:16
What happened here? What's the story here?
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์—ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋ฌด์Šจ ์‚ฌ์—ฐ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
08:18
AT: Yes, and I'm sorry, I think somebody was asking
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์˜ˆ, ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ„๊ป˜์„œ
08:21
why we were sneaking off to visit that place.
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์™œ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฐ๋ž˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์œผ์…จ๊ตฐ์š”.
08:24
I had a very good reason, because we have a community of Kiribati people
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๋งค์šฐ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•œ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์†”๋กœ๋ชฌ ์ œ๋„์— ์‚ฌ๋Š”
08:28
living in that part of the Solomon Islands,
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ํ‚ค๋ผ๋ฐ”์‹œ ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:32
but these were people who were relocated from the Phoenix Islands, in fact,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์ด๋“ค์€ ํ”ผ๋‹‰์Šค ์ œ๋„์—์„œ ์ด์ฃผํ•ด์˜จ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:36
in the 1960s.
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1960๋…„๋„์˜ˆ์š”.
08:37
There was serious drought, and the people could not continue to live on the island,
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์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฐ€๋ญ„์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ทธ ์„ฌ์— ์‚ด ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:42
and so they were moved to live here in the Solomon Islands.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์†”๋กœ๋ชฌ ์ œ๋„์— ์‚ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด์ฃผ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:45
And so yesterday it was very interesting to meet with these people.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด์ œ ๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฐธ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:48
They didn't know who I was. They hadn't heard of me.
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž๊ณ  ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์ง€๋„ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:51
Some of them later recognized me,
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๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ค‘์—์„œ์•ผ ์ €๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
08:53
but I think they were very happy.
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๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์˜์…จ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:57
Later they really wanted to have the opportunity to welcome me formally.
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๋‚˜์ค‘์—๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ์ •์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ™˜์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
But I think what I saw yesterday was very interesting
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด์ œ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:05
because here I see our people.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ตญ๋ฏผ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ 
09:06
I spoke in our language, and of course they spoke back, they replied,
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
09:12
but their accent, they are beginning not to be able to speak Kiribati properly.
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๊ทธ ์•…์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€, ํ‚ค๋ผ๋ฐ”์‹œ ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
I saw them, there was this lady with red teeth.
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๋ถ‰์€ ์น˜์•„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„์ด ๊ณ„์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:19
She was chewing betel nuts,
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๋นˆ๋ž‘๋‚˜๋ฌด ์—ด๋งค๋ฅผ ์”น๊ณ  ๊ณ„์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
09:22
and it's not something we do in Kiribati.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ํ‚ค๋ผ๋ฐ”์‹œ์—์„œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
We don't chew betel nuts.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋นˆ๋ž‘๋‚˜๋ฌด ์—ด๋งค๋ฅผ ์”น์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
I met also a family who have married the local people here,
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์ €๋Š” ๋˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํ˜„์ง€์ธ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ •์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
09:33
and so this is what is happening.
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์ด๊ฑด ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
As you go into another community, there are bound to be changes.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ ๋ณ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:40
There is bound to be a certain loss of identity,
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์ฃผ์ฒด์„ฑ์˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์†์‹ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:45
and this is what we will be looking for in the future
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์ฐพ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:48
if and when we do migrate.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ฃผ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
09:50
CA: It must have been just an extraordinarily emotional day
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ํŠนํžˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ์ •์ ์ธ ๋‚ ์ด์—ˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
09:54
because of these questions about identity,
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์ฃผ์ฒด์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค๊ณผ
09:57
the joy of seeing you and perhaps an emphasized sense of what they had lost.
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์•„๋„คํ†ต ์”จ๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ๊ธฐ์จ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์žƒ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•œ ๋Š๋‚Œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—์š”.
10:02
And it's very inspiring to hear you say you're going to fight to the end
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—” ์‹ธ์šฐ์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์”€์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ๋ช…๊นŠ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
10:05
to try to preserve the nation in a location.
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์ด ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์กดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
10:10
AT: This is our wish.
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:11
Nobody wants ever to leave their home,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ์ง‘์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:14
and so it's been a very difficult decision for me.
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:17
As a leader, you don't make plans to leave your island, your home,
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์ง€๋„์ž๋กœ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์„ฌ๊ณผ ์ง‘์„ ๋– ๋‚  ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ์ง„ ์•Š์œผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
10:22
and so I've been asked on a number of occasions,
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๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:25
"So how do you feel?"
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"๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋– ์„ธ์š”?"
10:26
And it doesn't feel good at all.
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์ „ํ˜€ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:29
It's an emotional thing, and I've tried to live with it,
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์ด๊ฑด ๊ฐ์ •์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒจ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:33
and I know that on occasions, I'm accused of not trying to solve the problem
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์ œํ•ด๊ฒฐ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋น„๋‚œ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
because I can't solve the problem.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
10:40
It's something that's got to be done collectively.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ ํƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:43
Climate change is a global phenomenon, and as I've often argued,
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๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข…์ข… ์ฃผ์žฅํ•ด์™”๋“ฏ์ด ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
10:48
unfortunately, the countries, when we come to the United Nations --
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํžˆ๋„, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์—”์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
10:53
I was in a meeting with the Pacific Island Forum countries
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ํšŒ์˜์— ์ฐธ์„์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ํƒœํ‰์–‘ ์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ ํฌ๋Ÿผ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์ธ
10:58
where Australia and New Zealand are also members,
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ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ๋‰ด์งˆ๋žœ๋“œ ๋“ฑ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด ํšŒ์›๊ตญ์ด์˜€์ฃ .
11:00
and we had an argument.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
11:02
There was a bit of a story in the news
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๋‰ด์Šค์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
11:05
because they were arguing that to cut emissions,
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๋ฐฐ์ถœ์„ ์ค‘๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:09
it would be something that they're unable to do
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ 
11:11
because it would affect the industries.
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์‚ฐ์—…์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ผ์น˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
11:15
And so here I was saying,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
11:16
OK, I hear you,
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์˜ˆ, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:18
I understand what you're saying,
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์”€์ธ์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
but try also to understand what I'm saying
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๋…ธ๋ ฅ๋„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
11:22
because if you do not cut your emissions,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉดย ย ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐฐ์ถœ์„ ์ค‘๋‹จํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
11:25
then our survival is on the line.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ƒ์กด์€ ์œ„ํƒœ๋กœ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
And so it's a matter for you to weigh this, these moral issues.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋„๋•์  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋Š ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
11:32
It's about industry as opposed to the survival of a people.
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์ด๊ฑด ์ธ๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ƒ์กด์— ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋˜๋Š” ์‚ฐ์—…์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:36
CA: You know, I ask you yesterday what made you angry,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์•„๋…ธํ…Œ ์”จ๋ฅผ ํ™”๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•œ๊ฑด์ง€ ์–ด์ œ ์—ฌ์ญค๋ดค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
11:38
and you said, "I don't get angry." But then you paused.
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"ํ™” ์•ˆ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์ง€๋งŒ ์ž ์‹œ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์…จ์ฃ .
11:42
I think this made you angry.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹๊นŒ ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ์š”.
11:44
AT: I'd refer you to my earlier statement at the United Nations.
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์œ ์—”์—์„œ์˜ ์ €์˜ ์ด์ „ ์ƒํƒœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ์š”.
11:49
I was very angry, very frustrated and then depressed.
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์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํ™”๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ค๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‚™์‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:53
There was a sense of futility
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์“ธ๋ชจ ์—†๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
11:55
that we are fighting a fight that we have no hope of winning.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์ด๊ธธ ํฌ๋ง์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์š”.
12:01
I had to change my approach.
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์ €์˜ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:03
I had to become more reasonable
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๋” ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
12:05
because I thought people would listen to somebody who was rational,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด์„ฑ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์„ ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
12:08
but I remain radically rational, whatever that is.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ๋“  ๊ฐ„์—, ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ณผ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ด์„ฑ์ ์ด์˜€์ฃ .
12:11
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
12:13
CA: Now, a core part of your nation's identity is fishing.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ํ˜„์žฌ, ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ์˜ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์–ด์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
I think you said pretty much everyone is involved in fishing in some way.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด์—…์— ๊ด€๊ณ„๋˜์–ด์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์ฃ .
12:20
AT: Well, we eat fish every day, every day,
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์˜ˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ๋งค์ผ ์ƒ์„ ์„ ๋จน์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:23
and I think there is no doubt that our rate of consumption of fish
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์˜์‹ฌํ•  ๋ฐ” ์—†์ด ์ €ํฌ์˜ ์ƒ์„  ์†Œ๋น„ ๋น„์œจ์ด
12:27
is perhaps the highest in the world.
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์•„๋งˆ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋†’์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:29
We don't have a lot of livestock,
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ถ•์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
12:32
so it's fish that we depend on.
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์ƒ์„ ์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:35
CA: So you're dependent on fish, both at the local level
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ์–ด์—…์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๊ตญ๋‚ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ์™€
12:38
and for the revenues that the country receives
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ๋‘๋Š” ์„ธ๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ์š”.
12:41
from the global fishing business for tuna,
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์ฐธ์น˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•œ ์„ธ๊ณ„์  ์–ด์—…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์ง€์š”.
12:43
and yet despite that, a few years ago you took a very radical step.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์ „์— ์•„์ฃผ ๊ณผ๊ฒฉํ•œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ์…จ์ฃ .
12:48
Can you tell us about that?
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:50
I think something happened right here in the Phoenix Islands.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํ”ผ๋‹‰์Šค์ œ๋„์—์„œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋˜๋ฐ์š”.
12:53
AT: Let me give some of the background of what fish means for us.
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒ์„ ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๋ฏธ์ธ์ง€ ๋จผ์ € ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:58
We have one of the largest tuna fisheries remaining in the world.
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์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋‚จ์€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ฐธ์น˜ ์–ด์žฅ ์ค‘ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:02
In the Pacific, I think we own something like 60 percent
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ํƒœํ‰์–‘์—์„œ, 60% ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
13:05
of the remaining tuna fisheries,
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๋‚จ์€ ์ฐธ์น˜ ์–ด์žฅ ์ค‘์—์„œ์š”.
13:07
and it remains relatively healthy for some species, but not all.
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๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์ข…๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด, ์ „๋ถ€๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ ์š”, ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋‚จ์•„์žˆ์ฃ .
13:11
And Kiribati is one of the three major resource owners,
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ํ‚ค๋ฆฌ๋ฐ”์‹œ๋Š” 3๊ฐœ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์ž์› ๋ณด์œ ๊ตญ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:17
tuna resource owners.
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์ฐธ์น˜ ์ž์› ๋ณด์œ ๊ตญ์ด์ฃ .
13:19
And at the moment, we have been getting
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š”
13:23
something like 80 to 90 percent of our revenue
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์„ธ์ž…์˜ 80-90%๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:26
from access fees, license fees.
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์ ‘๊ทผ์„ธ, ๋ฉดํ—ˆ์„ธ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์š”.
13:28
CA: Of your national revenue.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๋‚˜๋ผ ์ „์ฒด์˜ ์„ธ์ž…์—์„œ์š”.
13:30
AT: National revenue,
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์˜ ์„ธ์ž…์ด
13:32
which drives everything that we do
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์šด์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
in governments, hospitals, schools and what have you.
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์ •๋ถ€, ๋ณ‘์›, ํ•™๊ต ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ถ„์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์š”.
13:39
But we decided to close this, and it was a very difficult decision.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋งŒ๋‘๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
13:44
I can assure you, politically, locally, it was not easy,
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์ •์น˜์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„, ์ง€์—ญ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์–ด๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
but I was convinced that we had to do this
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์„ค๋“๋‹นํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:54
in order to ensure that the fishery remains sustainable.
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์–ด์žฅ์ด ์ง€์† ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
13:58
There had been some indications that some of the species,
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๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ง•ํ›„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์˜€์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์ข…๋“ค์ด,
14:01
in particular the bigeye, was under serious threat.
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋ฟ”๋”์ด, ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
The yellowfin was also heavily fished.
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ํ™ฉ๋‹ค๋ž‘์–ด ์—ญ์‹œ ๋งŽ์ด ์žกํ˜€๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:08
Skipjack remains healthy.
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๊ฐ€๋‹ค๋ž‘์–ด๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋‚จ์•„์žˆ์ฃ .
14:10
And so we had to do something like that, and so that was the reason I did that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ• ์ˆ˜ ๋ฐ–์— ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:15
Another reason why I did that
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
14:19
was because I had been asking the international community
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ตญ์ œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š”
14:24
that in order to deal with climate change, in order to fight climate change,
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๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ, ๋˜ ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์™€ ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”,
14:28
there has got to be sacrifice, there has got to be commitment.
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ํฌ์ƒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ํ—Œ์‹ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:32
So in asking the international community to make a sacrifice,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ตญ์ œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—๊ฒŒ ํฌ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋žฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
14:37
I thought we ourselves need to make that sacrifice.
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ๋“ค๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํฌ์ƒ์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:40
And so we made the sacrifice.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํฌ์ƒ์„ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
14:42
And forgoing commercial fishing
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ํœ˜๋‹‰์Šค ์„ฌ์˜ ๋ณดํ˜ธ์ง€์—ญ์˜
14:47
in the Phoenix Islands protected area
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์ƒ์—…์  ๋‚š์‹œ๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
14:50
would mean a loss of revenue.
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์ˆ˜์ต์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋œปํ•˜์ฃ .
14:52
We are still trying to assess what that loss would be
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์˜ ์†ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ ์ง€ ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:54
because we actually closed it off at the beginning of this year,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋…„ ์ดˆ์— ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
14:59
and so we will see by the end of this year
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋…„ ๋ง์— ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:02
what it means in terms of the lost revenue.
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์†ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋Š์ •๋„ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๋Š”์š”.
15:05
CA: So there's so many things playing into this.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
15:08
On the one hand, it may prompt healthier fisheries.
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ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”, ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์–ด์—…์„ ์œ ๋ฐœํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
15:15
I mean, how much are you able to move the price up
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๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ฌ๋ ค์•ผ
15:17
that you charge for the remaining areas?
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๋‚จ์€ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ฒญ๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
15:19
AT: The negotiations have been very difficult,
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ํ˜‘์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์–ด๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:24
but we have managed to raise the cost of a vessel day.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ ๋ฐ•์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:28
For any vessel to come in to fish for a day,
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋™์•ˆ ๋‚š์‹œ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”, ๋ชจ๋“  ์„ ๋ฐ•๋“ค์ด
15:31
we have raised the fee from -- it was $6,000 and $8,000,
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์›๋ž˜๋Š” $6000 ๋‚˜ $8000 ์˜€์ง€๋งŒ,
15:34
now to $10,000, $12,000 per vessel day.
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์ด์ œ๋Š” $10,000 ๋‚˜ $12,000 ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ๋‚ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:39
And so there's been that significant increase.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
15:42
But at the same time, what's important to note is,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋™์‹œ์— ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์€
15:47
whereas in the past these fishing boats
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์˜ˆ์ „์—๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋‚š์‹œ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์„ ๋ฐ•๋“ค์ด
15:51
might be fishing in a day and maybe catch 10 tons,
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10ํ†ค ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์žก์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด,
15:55
now they're catching maybe 100 tons because they've become so efficient.
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์š”์ฆ˜ ์„ ๋ฐ•๋“ค์€ 100ํ†ค ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์žก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ . ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:59
And so we've got to respond likewise.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ์ด์— ๋งž๋Š” ๋Œ€์‘์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:01
We've got to be very, very careful because the technology has so improved.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
16:06
There was a time when the Brazilian fleet moved from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ํ•จ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€์„œ์–‘๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํƒœํ‰์–‘๊นŒ์ง€ ์›€์ง์ด๋˜ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
16:11
They couldn't.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:12
They started experimenting if they could, per se.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€, ์‹คํ—˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:15
But now they've got ways of doing it, and they've become so efficient.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์ƒ๊ฒผ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:21
CA: Can you give us a sense of what it's like in those negotiations?
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ํ˜น์‹œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ˜‘์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:24
Because you're up against companies
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
16:25
that have hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, essentially.
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋ˆ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ค์žˆ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:29
How do you hold the line?
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๊ทธ ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
16:32
Is there any advice you can give
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ํ˜น์‹œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š”
16:35
to other leaders who are dealing with the same companies
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฆฌ๋”๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:38
about how to get the most for your country,
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์ž๊ธฐ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”,
16:42
get the most for the fish?
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๋ฌผ๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฑธ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€์š”?
16:46
What advice would you give?
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์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ๋‚˜์š”?
16:48
AT: Well, I think we focus too often on licensing
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ต์„ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ
ํ—ˆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋งŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:54
in order to get the rate of return,
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16:55
because what we are getting from license fees
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด, ํ—ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋น„์šฉ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ์ด์ต์€
16:58
is about 10 percent of the landed value of the catch
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์ „์ฒด ์–ด์—…์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜์˜ 10% ์ •๋„๋ฐ–์— ๋˜์ง€์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:01
on the side of the wharf, not in the retail shops.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์†Œ๋งค์ƒ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ, ๋ถ€๋‘ ์ชฝ์—์„œ์š”.
17:04
And we only get about 10 percent.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 10% ์ •๋„ ๋ฐ–์— ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ฃ .
17:08
What we have been trying to do over the years
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•œ ์ผ์€
17:11
is actually to increase our participation in the industry,
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์ด ์‚ฐ์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ด๊ณ ์ž ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ ,
17:15
in the harvesting, in the processing,
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์ˆ˜ํ™•์—์„œ๋„, ๊ฐ€๊ณต์—์„œ๋„,
17:17
and eventually, hopefully, the marketing.
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”, ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋ฐ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ๊นŒ์ง€๋„์š”.
17:19
They're not easy to penetrate,
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์ด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ด€ํ†ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:23
but we are working towards that,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•ด ๊ฐ€๊ณ ์žˆ์ฃ .
17:25
and yes, the answer would be to enhance.
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๋„ค, ํ•ด๋‹ต์€ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:28
In order to increase our rate of return, we have to become more involved.
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์ด์ต๋ฅ ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:32
And so we've started doing that,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ฃ ,
17:35
and we have to restructure the industry.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฐ์—…์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:40
We've got to tell these people that the world has changed.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ธ์ƒ์€ ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์ค˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:43
Now we want to produce the fish ourselves.
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์ด์ œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋ฌผ๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ƒ์‚ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
17:45
CA: And meanwhile, for your local fishermen,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ์—, ํ˜„์ง€ ์–ด๋ถ€๋Š”,
17:48
they are still able to fish,
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๊ณ„์† ๋‚š์‹œ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
17:51
but what is business like for them?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
17:53
Is it getting harder? Are the waters depleted?
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๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋‚˜์š”? ๋ฌผ์ด ๊ฐ์†๋๋‚˜์š”?
17:55
Or is that being run on a sustainable basis?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ฌผ์€ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
17:59
AT: For the artisanal fishery,
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์˜์„ธ์–ด์—…์—์„œ,
18:00
we do not participate in the commercial fishing activity
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ๋‚š์‹œ ํ™œ๋™์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:04
except only to supply the domestic market.
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๊ตญ๋‚ด ์‹œ์žฅ์— ๊ณต๊ธ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
18:07
The tuna fishery is really entirely for the foreign market,
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์ฐธ์น˜ ์–ด์žฅ์€ ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์™ธ ์‹œ์žฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
18:10
mostly here in the US, Europe, Japan.
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ์œ ๋Ÿฝ, ์ผ๋ณธ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
18:16
So I am a fisherman, very much,
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋ถ€ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
18:21
and I used to be able to catch yellowfin.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์›๋ž˜ ํ™ฉ๋‹ค๋ž‘์–ด๋ฅผ ์žก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
18:24
Now it's very, very rare to be able to catch yellowfin
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์ด์ œ๋Š” ํ™ฉ๋‹ค๋ž‘์–ด๋ฅผ ์žก๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ, ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋“œ๋ฌธ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:27
because they are being lifted out of the water by the hundreds of tons
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํ™ฉ๋‹ค๋ž‘์–ด๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ฐฑ ํ†ค์”ฉ ์žกํžˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
18:30
by these purse seiners.
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์–ด์„ ์— ์˜ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
18:34
CA: So here's a couple of beautiful girls from your country.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ์ด๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์—ฌ์ž์•„์ด๋“ค ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:39
I mean, as you think about their future,
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์ด ์—ฌ์ž ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณธ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
18:42
what message would you have for them
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ฉ”์„ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”,
18:45
and what message would you have for the world?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ฉ”์„ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
์ €๋Š” ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ , ๊ธฐํ›„์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ
18:48
AT: Well, I've been telling the world that we really have to do something
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18:51
about what is happening to the climate
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
18:53
because for us, it's about the future of these children.
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์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด, ์ด ์ผ์€ ๊ณง ์ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:56
I have 12 grandchildren, at least.
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์ €๋Š” ์ตœ์†Œ 12๋ช…์˜ ์†์ฃผ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:58
I think I have 12, my wife knows.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— 12๋ช…์ธ ๊ฑฐ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”, ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
19:00
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  8๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:02
And I think I have eight children.
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์ด๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:05
It's about their future.
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19:06
Every day I see my grandchildren, about the same age as these young girls,
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๋งค์ผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ €๋Ÿฐ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์—ฌ์ž์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ œ ์†์ฃผ๋“ค์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ๋ฉด,
19:10
and I do wonder,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋” ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ฃ .
19:13
and I get angry sometimes, yes I do.
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์ €๋Š” ์ €๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:15
I wonder what is to become of them.
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19:17
And so it's about them
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฑด ์ €๋“ค์˜ ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
19:20
that we should be telling everybody,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:22
that it's not about their own national interest,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž๊ธฐ๋“ค์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ด์ต๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”.
19:25
because climate change, regrettably, unfortunately,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š”, ์œ ๊ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ๋„, ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„
19:28
is viewed by many countries as a national problem. It's not.
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋กœ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ์–ธ์Ÿ์„ ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:33
And this is the argument we got into recently with our partners,
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์˜ค์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์ผ๋ฆฌ์•„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‰ด์งˆ๋žœ๋“œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
19:36
the Australians and New Zealanders,
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19:37
because they said, "We can't cut any more."
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ , "์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋”์ด์ƒ ์ค„์ผ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
์ด ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•œ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ฆฌ๋”, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ๋ฆฌ๋”๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
19:41
This is what one of the leaders, the Australian leader, said,
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19:44
that we've done our part, we are cutting back.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ค„์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
19:49
I said, What about the rest? Why don't you keep it?
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์ €๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š”์š”? ์™œ ๊ณ„์† ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
19:52
If you could keep the rest of your emissions
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ฐฐ์ถœ์„ ์ƒˆ์–ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
19:55
within your boundaries, within your borders,
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๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์„  ์•ˆ์—, ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ ์•ˆ์— ์œ ์ง€ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
19:57
we'd have no question.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์—†์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:59
You can go ahead as much as you like.
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๋ง˜ ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•ด๋„ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
20:01
But unfortunately, you're sending it our way,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์œ ๊ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ๋„, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:03
and it's affecting the future of our children.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
20:05
And so surely I think that is the heart of the problem of climate change today.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:10
We will be meeting in Paris at the end of this year,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋…„ ๋ง์— ํŒŒ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚  ๊ฒƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:13
but until we can think of this as a global phenomenon,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ํ˜„์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€,
20:17
because we create it, individually, as nations,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„, ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„์š”.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:21
but it affects everybody else,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ ,
20:23
and yet, we refuse to do anything about it,
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€์  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
20:26
and we deal with it as a national problem,
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20:29
which it is not -- it is a global issue,
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ํ‹€๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค - ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
20:31
and it's got to be dealt with collectively.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™์ด ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค: ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”„์™€ ์ˆซ์ž์— ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ฃ ,
20:35
CA: People are incredibly bad at responding to graphs and numbers,
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20:39
and we shut our minds to it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์™ ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:43
Somehow, to people, we're slightly better at responding to that sometimes.
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20:49
And it seems like it's very possible that your nation,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ€,
20:52
despite, actually because of the intense problems you face,
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ทน์‹ฌํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ฐ์€ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ  ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:57
you may yet be the warning light to the world that shines most visibly,
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21:01
most powerfully.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
21:03
I just want to thank you, I'm sure, on behalf of all of us,
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๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•ด์„œ, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ „ํ•ด๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ ์š”,
21:06
for your extraordinary leadership and for being here.
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๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๋ฆฌ๋”์‰ฝ๊ณผ ์ด๊ณณ์— ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
21:09
Mr. President, thank you so much.
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๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น๋‹˜, ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:10
AT: Thank you.
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21:11
(Applause)
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์•„๋…ธํ…Œ: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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