How craving attention makes you less creative | Joseph Gordon-Levitt

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2019-09-12 ใƒป TED


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How craving attention makes you less creative | Joseph Gordon-Levitt

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚

็ฟป่จณ: Moe Shoji ๆ กๆญฃ: Eriko Tsukamoto
00:13
First of all, thank you for your attention.
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ใพใš ใ”ๆณจ็›ฎใใ ใ•ใ‚Š ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™
00:16
There's nothing quite like being in a room full of people like this,
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ใ“ใ‚“ใช้ขจใซๆบ€ๅธญใฎไผšๅ ดใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ ใชใ‹ใชใ‹ใฎๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใงใ™
00:20
where all of you are giving your attention to me.
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ๅ…จๅ“กใซๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚“ใฆ
00:23
It's a powerful feeling, to get attention.
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏ ๅผทๅŠ›ใชๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใงใ™
00:28
I'm an actor, so I'm a bit of an expert on, well, nothing, really.
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็งใฏๅฝน่€…ใชใฎใงๅฐ‚้–€ใฏ... ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€€็‰นใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
00:33
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
00:34
But I do know what it feels like to get attention --
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ใงใ‚‚ๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ ใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
00:37
I've been lucky in my life
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ๅนธ้‹ใชใ“ใจใซ ็งใฏ
00:38
to get a lot more than my fair share of attention.
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ๆœฌๆฅ ๅ€คใ™ใ‚‹ไปฅไธŠใซ ๅคšใใฎๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ
00:40
And I'm grateful for that,
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ใใ‚Œใซใฏๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
00:42
because like I said, it's a powerful feeling.
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ใ•ใฃใ่จ€ใฃใŸ้€šใ‚Š ใ™ใ”ใ„ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰
00:46
But there's another powerful feeling
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ใงใ‚‚ ใ‚‚ใ†ใฒใจใค ใ“ใ‚“ใชๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
00:49
that I've also been lucky to experience a lot as an actor.
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ๅนธใ„ ๅฝน่€…ใจใ—ใฆ ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
00:52
And it's funny, it's sort of the opposite feeling,
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ไธๆ€่ญฐใชใ“ใจใซ ใปใจใ‚“ใฉๅๅฏพใฎๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใชใ‚“ใงใ™
00:55
because it doesn't come from getting attention.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใใ‚Œใฏ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ
00:57
It comes from paying attention.
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ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‰ ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
01:00
When I'm acting,
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ๆผ”ใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใฏ
01:02
I get so focused that I'm only paying attention to one thing.
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ๆทฑใ้›†ไธญใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใง ใŸใฃใŸใฒใจใคใฎใ“ใจใซใ—ใ‹ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใพใ›ใ‚“
01:07
Like when I'm on set and we're about to shoot
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ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆ ๆ’ฎๅฝฑใŒๅง‹ใพใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ
01:10
and the first AD calls out "Rolling!"
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็ฌฌ๏ผ‘ADใฎใ€Œๅ›žใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใฎๅพŒใง
01:13
And then I hear "speed," "marker," "set,"
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ใ€Œใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใƒ‰ใ€ใ€Œใƒžใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ€ใ€Œ็”จๆ„ใ€
01:15
and then the director calls "Action!"
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ใใ—ใฆ็›ฃ็ฃใŒใ€Œใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒณ๏ผใ€ใจ ๅฃฐใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใพใ™
01:18
I've heard that sequence so many times,
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ใใฎๆตใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚่€ณใซใ—ใฆใใŸใฎใง
01:20
like, it's become this Pavlovian magic spell for me.
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ใƒ‘ใƒ–ใƒญใƒ•ใฎ็Šฌใฎๅๅฐ„ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช ้ญ”ๆณ•ใฎๅ‘ชๆ–‡ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
01:23
"Rolling," "speed," "marker," "set" and "action."
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ใ€Œๅ›žใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ€Œใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใƒ‰ใ€ใ€Œใƒžใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ€ ใ€Œ็”จๆ„ใ€ใ€Œใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ€
01:27
Something happens to me, I can't even help it.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใ‚‚็„กๆ„่ญ˜ใฎใ†ใกใซ ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™
01:30
My attention ...
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆณจๆ„ใŒ...
01:33
narrows.
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็‹ญใพใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
01:34
And everything else in the world,
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ไธ–ใฎไธญใฎไป–ใฎใ“ใจใฏๅ…จ้ƒจ โ€•
01:36
anything else that might be bothering me or might grab my attention,
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ๆฐ—ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚„ ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใชใ‚‰ๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใŒ
01:42
it all goes away, and I'm just ... there.
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ใ™ในใฆๆถˆใˆๅŽปใฃใฆ ใŸใ  ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใ“ใซๅœจใ‚‹
01:48
And that feeling, that is what I love,
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ใใฎๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใ“ใใŒ ็งใŒๆ„›ใ—ใฆใ‚„ใพใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใง
01:52
that, to me, is creativity.
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ใใ‚Œใ“ใใŒๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
01:53
And that's the biggest reason I'm so grateful that I get to be an actor.
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ๅฝน่€…ใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใฆ่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใจ ๆ€ใ†ใฎใฏ ใใ‚“ใช็žฌ้–“ใงใ™
01:58
So, there's these two powerful feelings.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ ๅผทๅŠ›ใชๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใฏ ๏ผ’ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
02:01
There's getting attention and paying attention.
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจ ใใ—ใฆ ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจ
02:06
Of course, in the last decade or so,
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ ้ŽๅŽป10ๅนด้–“ใง
02:07
new technology has allowed more and more people
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ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใง ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎไบบใ€…ใŒ
02:10
to have this powerful feeling of getting attention.
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ ใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
02:14
For any kind of creative expression, not just acting.
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ๆผ”ๆŠ€ใซ้™ใ‚‰ใš ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใช่กจ็พใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ
02:16
It could be writing or photography or drawing, music -- everything.
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ๆ–‡็ซ ใ‚„ๅ†™็œŸใ‚„ ใƒ‰ใƒญใƒผใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚„้Ÿณๆฅฝใชใฉ ่‰ฒใ€…ใงใ™
02:20
The channels of distribution have been democratized,
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ๆต้€šใฎใŸใ‚ใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใŒ ๆฐ‘ไธปๅŒ–ใ•ใ‚Œ
02:23
and that's a good thing.
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ใใ‚Œ่‡ชไฝ“ใฏใ„ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™
02:27
But I do think there's an unintended consequence
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ใงใ‚‚ ๅ‰ต้€ ็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจ้ก˜ใ† ใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆ
02:30
for anybody on the planet with an urge to be creative --
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ไบˆๆœŸใ›ใฌๅฝฑ้ŸฟใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใฎใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจ ๆ€ใ‚ใšใซใ„ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
02:35
myself included, because I'm not immune to this.
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็ง่‡ช่บซใ‚‚ใใ†ใงใ™ ็„ก้–ขไฟ‚ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
02:39
I think that our creativity
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็งใŸใกใฎๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใŒ
02:42
is becoming more and more of a means to an end --
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ใ ใ‚“ใ ใ‚“ใจ ใ‚ใ‚‹็›ฎ็š„ใฎใŸใ‚ใฎ ๆ‰‹ๆฎตใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
02:47
and that end is to get attention.
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ใใฎ็›ฎ็š„ใจใฏ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™
02:51
And so I feel compelled to speak up
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ ๅฃฐใ‚’ไธŠใ’ใšใซใฏ ใ„ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
02:53
because in my experience,
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็งใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‹ใ‚‰่จ€ใ†ใจ
02:56
the more I go after that powerful feeling of paying attention,
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ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใ‚’ ่ฟฝใ„ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใปใฉ
02:59
the happier I am.
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ๅนธใ›ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
03:01
But the more I go after the powerful feeling of getting attention,
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใ‚’ ่ฟฝใ„ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใปใฉ
03:06
the unhappier I am.
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ใ‚€ใชใ—ใ„ๆฐ—ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™
03:08
(One person claps)
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๏ผˆ๏ผ‘ไบบใŒๆ‹ๆ‰‹ใ™ใ‚‹๏ผ‰
03:09
And -- thanks.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰โ€• ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†
03:11
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
03:13
(Applause)
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๏ผˆๆ‹ๆ‰‹๏ผ‰
03:18
So this is something that goes way back for me.
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ใ“ใฎ่ฉฑใฏ ใšใฃใจๆ˜”ใซ ใ•ใ‹ใฎใผใ‚Šใพใ™
03:21
I think the first time I can remember using my acting to get attention,
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่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹้™ใ‚Š ๅฝน่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใซ ๅˆใ‚ใฆๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใŸใฎใฏ
03:26
I was eight years old at summer camp.
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๏ผ˜ๆญณใฎๆ™‚ใฎใ‚ตใƒžใƒผใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใƒ—ใงใ—ใŸ
03:28
And I'd been going on auditions for about a year by then,
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ใ‚ชใƒผใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใฆ ๏ผ‘ๅนดใŒ็ตŒใฃใŸ้ ƒใง
03:31
and I'd been lucky to get some small parts
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ใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ญใƒผใชใ“ใจใซ ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ใ‚„ใ‚ณใƒžใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใง
03:33
in TV shows and commercials,
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ๅฐใ•ใชๅฝนใ‚’ใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
03:35
and I bragged about it a lot, that summer at camp.
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ใ‚ตใƒžใƒผใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใƒ—ใงใฏ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ ใ‚„ใŸใ‚‰ใซ่‡ชๆ…ขใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
03:40
And at first, it worked.
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ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ ไธŠๆ‰‹ใใ„ใใพใ—ใŸ
03:42
The other kids gave me a bunch of extra attention,
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ไป–ใฎๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใซ ใ‚‚ใฃใจๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚“ใงใ™
03:45
because I had been on "Family Ties."
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ใ€Žใƒ•ใ‚กใƒŸใƒชใƒผใ‚ฟใ‚คใ‚บใ€ใซ ๅ‡บใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
03:48
That's a picture of me on "Family Ties."
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ๅฝ“ๆ™‚ใฎๅ†™็œŸใงใ™
03:50
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
03:51
Then, the tide turned --
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ใงใ‚‚ ้›ฒ่กŒใใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
03:52
I think I took it too far with the bragging.
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่‡ชๆ…ขใ—ใ™ใŽใŸใ‚“ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญ
03:55
And then, the other kids started to make fun of me.
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ไป–ใฎๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใซ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Œๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸ
03:59
I remember there was this one girl I had a crush on, Rocky.
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ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๆฐ—ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸ ใƒญใƒƒใ‚ญใƒผใจใ„ใ†ๅฅณใฎๅญใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™
04:04
Her name was Rachel, she went by Rocky.
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ๅๅ‰ใฏใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใง ๆ„›็งฐใŒใƒญใƒƒใ‚ญใƒผใงใ—ใŸ
04:07
And she was beautiful, and she could sing,
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ใ‹ใ‚ใ„ใใฆ ๆญŒใŒไธŠๆ‰‹ใใฆ
04:09
and I was smitten with her, and I was standing there, bragging.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใซๅคขไธญใช็งใฏ ่‡ชๆ…ขใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
04:13
And she turned to me and she called me a show-off.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็งใฎๆ–นใ‚’ๅ‘ใ„ใฆ ใ€Œ็›ฎ็ซ‹ใกใŸใŒใ‚Šๅฑ‹ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™
04:16
Which I 100 percent deserved.
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100๏ผ… ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™
04:19
But you know, it still really hurt.
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ใงใ‚‚ ใ™ใ”ใๅ‚ทไป˜ใใพใ—ใŸ
04:22
And ever since that summer,
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ใใฎๅคไปฅๆฅ
04:24
I've had a certain hesitance to seek attention for my acting.
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ๅฝน่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ ใŸใ‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
04:29
Sometimes, people would ask me,
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ใ“ใ†่žใ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
04:31
"Wait a minute, if you don't like the attention,
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ใ€Œๅพ…ใฃใฆ ๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใใชใ„ใชใ‚‰
04:33
then why are you an actor?"
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ใชใ‚“ใงๅฝน่€…ใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ‚‹ใฎ๏ผŸใ€
04:34
And I'd be like,
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ใใฎ้ ƒใฎ็งใฏ
04:36
"Because that's not what acting's about, man, it's about the art."
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ใ€Œๅฝน่€…ใฏๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใใฆ ่Šธ่ก“ใชใ‚“ใ ใฃใฆใฐ๏ผใ€
04:39
And they'd be like, "OK, OK, dude."
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ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€Œใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ€ใจ
04:41
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
04:43
And then Twitter came out.
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ใใ“ใซ Twitter ใŒ็™ปๅ ดใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
04:45
And I got totally hooked on it, just like everybody else,
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ไป–ใฎไบบใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ็งใ‚‚ใ™ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šใƒใƒžใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
04:47
which made me into a complete hypocrite.
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ใ™ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šๅฝๅ–„่€…ใซใชใฃใŸใ‚ใ‘ใงใ™
04:49
Because at that point,
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ใ ใฃใฆ ใใฎๆ™‚ใซใฏ
04:50
I was absolutely using my acting to get attention.
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ๅฝน่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰
04:53
I mean, what, did I think I was just getting all these followers
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ใฉใ†่€ƒใˆใŸใฃใฆ ใ“ใ‚“ใชใซ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ
04:56
because of my brilliant tweets?
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ๆฐ—ใฎๅˆฉใ„ใŸใƒ„ใ‚คใƒผใƒˆใฎ ใŠใ‹ใ’ใชใ‚“ใ‹ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„
04:59
I actually did think that -- I was like --
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ใใ†ๆ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒโ€•
05:01
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
05:02
"They don't just like me because they saw me in 'Batman,'
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ใ€Œใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใฏ ใ€Žใƒใƒƒใƒˆใƒžใƒณใ€ใซๅ‡บใฆใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„
05:05
they like what I have to say, I've got a way with words."
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็™บ่จ€ใŒๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ  ๅƒ•ใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ•ใ€
05:08
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
05:09
And then in no time at all,
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ ใพใ‚‚ใชใ
05:11
it started having an impact on my dearly beloved creative process.
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็งใŒใ“ใ‚ˆใชใๆ„›ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ตไฝœ้Ž็จ‹ใซใ‚‚ ๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
05:16
It still does.
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ไปŠใ‚‚ใใ†ใงใ™
05:17
I try not to let it.
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ใใ†ใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ™ใŒ
05:19
But you know, I'd be sitting there, like, reading a script.
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ๅบงใฃใฆ ๅฐๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใพใ™
05:23
And instead of thinking,
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ๆœฌๆฅใฏใ“ใ†่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ในใใงใ™
05:25
"How can I personally identify with this character?"
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ใ€Œใฉใ†ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ ใ“ใฎๅฝนใจ ๅ…ฑ้€š็‚นใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ„ใ ใ›ใ‚‹ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
05:27
Or "How is the audience going to relate to this story?"
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ใ€Œ่ฆณๅฎขใฏใ“ใฎ็‰ฉ่ชžใ‚’ ใฉใ†ๆ‰ใˆใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
05:30
I'm like, "What are people going to say about this movie on Twitter?"
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ใใ†ใงใฏใชใใ€Œใ“ใฎๆ˜ ็”ปใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ Twitter ใงใชใ‚“ใฆใคใถใ‚„ใ“ใ†๏ผŸใ€
05:33
And "What will I say back
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ใ€Œใชใ‚“ใฆ่ฟ”ไฟกใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
05:35
that will be good and snarky enough to get a lot of retweets,
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใƒชใƒ„ใ‚คใƒผใƒˆใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ๆฐ—ใŒๅˆฉใ„ใฆใฆ ้ฉๅบฆใซ็„กๆ„›ๆƒณใง
05:38
but not too harsh,
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่พ›่พฃใ™ใŽใชใ„ใฎใŒใ„ใ„ใช
05:39
because people love to get offended, and I don't want to get canceled?"
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ใฟใ‚“ใชๅ‚ทไป˜ใใŸใใชใ„ใ— ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใ‚ปใƒซใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใญใ€
05:42
These are the thoughts that enter my mind
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ใ“ใ‚“ใช่€ƒใˆใŒใ‚ˆใŽใ‚Šใพใ™
05:44
when I'm supposed to be reading a script, trying to be an artist.
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ๅฐๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใง ใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใ‚ใ‚ใ†ใจใ™ในใใชใฎใซ
05:47
And I'm not here to tell you
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใจใ„ใฃใฆ
05:49
that technology is the enemy of creativity.
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ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใŒๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใฎๆ•ตใ  ใจใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
05:51
I don't think that.
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ใใ†ใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
05:52
I think tech is just a tool.
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ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใฏใƒ„ใƒผใƒซใงใ™
05:54
It has the potential to foster unprecedented human creativity.
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ใ‹ใคใฆใชใ„ใปใฉใซไบบ้–“ใฎๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใ‚’ ้ซ˜ใ‚ใ†ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
05:58
Like, I even started an online community called HITRECORD,
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็งใ ใฃใฆ HITRECORD ใจใ„ใ† ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
06:01
where people all over the world
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ไธ–็•Œไธญใฎไบบใ€…ใŒ
06:03
collaborate on all kinds of creative projects,
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ๆง˜ใ€…ใชใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชไผ็”ปใง ๅ”ๅŠ›ใงใใพใ™
06:05
so I don't think that social media or smartphones or any technology
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚„ ใ‚นใƒžใƒ›ใชใฉใฎใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใใ‚Œ่‡ชไฝ“ใŒ
06:10
is problematic in and of itself.
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ๅ•้กŒใ ใจใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
06:14
But ...
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ใงใ‚‚ ...
06:16
if we're going to talk about the perils of creativity
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ๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใŒ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๆ‰‹ๆฎตใซ
06:19
becoming a means to get attention,
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ใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ๅฑ้™บๆ€งใ‚’ ่ชžใ‚‹ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
06:21
then we have to talk about the attention-driven business model
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็พไปฃใฎๅทจๅคงใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขไผๆฅญใฎ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใŸใ„่กๅ‹•ใซๅŸบใฅใ„ใŸโ€•
06:26
of today's big social media companies, right?
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ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใซใคใ„ใฆ ่ชžใ‚‰ใญใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
06:28
(Applause)
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๏ผˆๆ‹ๆ‰‹๏ผ‰
06:31
This will be familiar territory for some of you,
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ใ‚ˆใ่ฆ‹็ŸฅใฃใŸใ“ใจใ ใจ ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใŒ
06:33
but it's a really relevant question here:
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้žๅธธใซๅฎŸ้š›็š„ใชๆ„ๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ•้กŒใงใ™
06:35
How does a social media platform
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ไพ‹ใˆใฐ Instagramใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช
06:37
like, for example, Instagram, make money?
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ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใฏ ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆๅˆฉ็›Šใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹๏ผŸ
06:40
It's not selling a photo-sharing service --
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ๅ†™็œŸๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ‚ตใƒผใƒ“ใ‚นใ‚’ ่ฒฉๅฃฒใ—ใฆใฏใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
06:42
that part's free.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็„กๆ–™ใงใ™
06:43
So what is it selling?
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ไฝ•ใ‚’ๅฃฒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹๏ผŸ
06:45
It's selling attention.
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ใ€Œๆณจ็›ฎใ€ใ‚’ๅฃฒใฃใฆใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
06:46
It's selling the attention of its users to advertisers.
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ใƒฆใƒผใ‚ถใƒผใฎๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ ๅบƒๅ‘Šไธปใซๅฃฒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
06:48
And there's a lot of discussion right now
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็งใŸใกใŒ Instagram ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใซ
06:50
about how much attention we're all giving to things like Instagram,
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ๅคง้‡ใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ‰ฒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ ๅคšใใฎ่ญฐ่ซ–ใŒใชใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒ
06:54
but my question is:
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็งใฎ็–‘ๅ•ใฏ ใ“ใ†ใงใ™
06:55
How is Instagram getting so much attention?
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ Instagram ใฏ ใ“ใ‚“ใชใซๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹๏ผŸ
06:59
We get it for them.
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็งใŸใกใŒ ไธŽใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
07:02
Anytime somebody posts on Instagram,
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒ Instagram ใซ ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๆŠ•็จฟใ™ใ‚‹ใจ
07:05
they get a certain amount of attention from their followers,
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใ‹ใ‚‰ ไธ€ๅฎšใฎๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใพใ™
07:07
whether they have a few followers or a few million followers.
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒๆ•ฐไบบใงใ‚‚ ๆ•ฐ็™พไธ‡ไบบใงใ‚‚ไธ€็ท’ใงใ™
07:10
And the more attention you're able to get,
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒ ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
07:13
the more attention Instagram is able to sell.
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Instagram ใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ๅฃฒใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
07:16
So it's in Instagram's interest
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒ ใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ๅผ•ใใ“ใจใŒ
07:19
for you to get as much attention as possible.
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Instagram ใฎๅˆฉ็›Šใซใชใ‚‹ ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใงใ™
07:22
And so it trains you to want that attention,
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ๆฌฒใ—ใŒใ‚Š ๆธ‡ๆœ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซไป•ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œ
07:25
to crave it, to feel stressed out when you're not getting enough of it.
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจ ใ‚คใƒฉใ‚คใƒฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™
07:30
Instagram gets its users addicted
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Instagram ใฏ ใƒฆใƒผใ‚ถใƒผใ‚’
07:34
to the powerful feeling of getting attention.
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ† ๅผทๅŠ›ใชๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใซใŠใผใ‚Œใ•ใ›ใพใ™
07:38
And I know we all joke, like, "Oh my God, I'm so addicted to my phone,"
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ใ‚ˆใๅ†—่ซ‡ใง่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ ใ€Œใ‚ใƒผใ‚ ใ™ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šใ‚นใƒžใƒ›ไธญๆฏ’ใ ใ‚ˆใ€ใฃใฆ
07:41
but this is a real addiction.
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ใงใ‚‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซไธญๆฏ’ใชใ‚“ใงใ™
07:43
There's a whole science to it.
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็ง‘ๅญฆ็š„่ฃไป˜ใ‘ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
07:44
If you're curious, I recommend the work of Jaron Lanier,
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ ใ‚ธใƒฃใƒญใƒณใƒปใƒฉใƒ‹ใ‚ขใƒผใ‚„
07:47
Tristan Harris, Nir Eyal.
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ใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒณใƒปใƒใƒชใ‚น ใƒ‹ใƒผใƒซใƒปใ‚คใƒคใƒผใƒซใฎๆœฌใ‚’่–ฆใ‚ใพใ™
07:50
But here's what I can tell you.
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ใงใ‚‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ™
07:52
Being addicted to getting attention
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใธใฎไธญๆฏ’ใฏ
07:55
is just like being addicted to anything else.
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ไป–ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใฎไธญๆฏ’ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใจ ๅ…จใๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใงใ™
07:58
It's never enough.
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ๆฑบใ—ใฆๆบ€ใŸใ•ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
07:59
You start out and you're thinking,
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ๆœ€ๅˆใฏใ“ใ†ๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
08:01
"If only I had 1,000 followers, that would feel amazing."
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ใ€Œใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒ1,000ไบบใ„ใŸใ‚‰ ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใชใ€
08:05
But then you're like, "Well, once I get to 10,000 followers,"
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ใงใ‚‚ ใใฎใ†ใกใซใ€Œใ„ใ‚„ ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒ๏ผ‘ไธ‡ไบบใซใชใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€
08:09
and, "Once I get to 100 --
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ใ€Œ10ไธ‡ไบบใซใชใฃใŸใ‚‰โ€•ใ€
08:11
Once I get to a million followers, then I'll feel amazing."
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ใ€Œใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒ100ไธ‡ไบบใซใชใฃใŸใ‚‰ ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใชใ€
08:18
So I have 4.2 million followers on Twitter --
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็งใฏ Twitter ใง420ไธ‡ไบบใซ ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒ
08:21
it's never made me feel amazing.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฃใฆ ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒใ‚ˆใใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
08:23
I'm not going to tell you how many I have on Instagram,
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Instagram ใฎใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผๆ•ฐใฏ ใŠๆ•™ใˆใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“
08:26
because I feel genuine shame about how low the number is,
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใฎๅฐ‘ใชใ•ใ‚’ ๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
08:29
because I joined Instagram after "Batman" came out.
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ใ€Žใƒใƒƒใƒˆใƒžใƒณใ€ใฎๅ…ฌ้–‹ๅพŒใซ ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰
08:32
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
08:35
And I search other actors,
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ไป–ใฎๅฝน่€…ใ‚’ๆคœ็ดขใ—ใฆ
08:37
and I see that their number is higher than mine,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใŒ ๅคšใ„ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจ
08:39
and it makes me feel terrible about myself.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฏใƒ€ใƒกใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
08:42
Because the follower count
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผๆ•ฐใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏ
08:44
makes everybody feel terrible about themselves.
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ๅ…จๅ“กใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒกใ ใจ ๆ€ใ‚ใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
08:47
That feeling of inadequacy is what drives you to post,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’ไธๅๅˆ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ†ๆฐ—ๆŒใกใŒ ๆŠ•็จฟใ‚’ไฟƒใ—
08:50
so you can get more attention,
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚ˆใ†ใจๆ€ใ‚ใ›ใพใ™
08:51
and then that attention that you get is what these companies sell,
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฎ้›†ใ‚ใŸๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ ไผš็คพใŒ่ฒฉๅฃฒใ—ใฆ
08:54
that's how they make their money.
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ใใ‚Œใง็จผใ„ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
08:58
So there is no amount of attention you can get
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆใ‚‚
09:01
where you feel like you've arrived,
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ใคใ„ใซใ‚„ใฃใŸใž ใจใ„ใ†ๆฐ—ๆŒใกใซใฏ โ€•
09:04
and you're like, "Ah, I'm good now."
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ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใงใ‚ˆใ—ใ€ใจใฏ ใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ™
09:07
And of course, there are a lot of actors who are more famous than I am,
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ ็งใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆœ‰ๅใง ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒฏใƒผใฎๅคšใ„ๅฝน่€…ใฏ
09:11
have more followers than I do,
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ๅคงๅ‹ขใ„ใพใ™ใŒ
09:13
but I bet you they would tell you the same thing.
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ใใฃใจ ๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
09:15
If your creativity is driven by a desire to get attention,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใŒๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใŸใ„ใจใ„ใ† ้ก˜ๆœ›ใซ็ชใๅ‹•ใ‹ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰
09:20
you're never going to be creatively fulfilled.
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ใใฎๅ‰ต้€ ๆ€งใŒ ๆบ€ใŸใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
09:25
But I do have some good news.
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ใงใ‚‚ ่‰ฏใ„็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ›ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
09:28
There is this other powerful feeling.
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ๅผทๅŠ›ใชๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใฏ ใ‚‚ใ†ใฒใจใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
09:32
Something else you can do with your attention
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆณจ็›ฎใฎไฝฟใ„้“ใฏ
09:34
besides letting a giant tech company control it and sell it.
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ๅทจๅคงใƒ†ใƒƒใ‚ฏไผๆฅญใซๆ”ฏ้…ใ•ใ‚Œ ่ฒฉๅฃฒใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ไปฅๅค–ใซใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™
09:38
This is that feeling I was talking about,
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ๅ…ˆ็จ‹ใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸ ๆผ”ใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใช็†็”ฑใงใ™
09:40
why I love acting so much --
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09:41
it's being able to pay attention to just one thing.
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ใŸใ ใฒใจใคใฎใ“ใจใซ ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™
09:47
Turns out there's actually some science behind this too.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใซใ‚‚็ง‘ๅญฆ็š„่ฃไป˜ใ‘ใŒ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
09:50
Psychologists and neuroscientists --
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ๅฟƒ็†ๅญฆ่€…ใ‚„็ฅž็ตŒ็ง‘ๅญฆ่€…ใฏ
09:52
they study a phenomenon they call flow,
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ใ€Œใƒ•ใƒญใƒผใ€ใจใ„ใ†็พ่ฑกใ‚’ ็ ”็ฉถใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
09:54
which is this thing that happens in the human brain
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไบบใฎ่„ณๅ†…ใง่ตทใ“ใ‚‹็พ่ฑกใง
09:57
when someone pays attention to just one thing,
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ไบบใŒ ใŸใ ใฒใจใคโ€• ไพ‹ใˆใฐใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชใ“ใจใซ
09:59
like something creative,
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ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใฆใ„ใฆ
10:00
and manages not to get distracted by anything else.
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ไป–ใฎใ“ใจใงๆฐ—ใŒๆ•ฃใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใใซ ่„ณใง่ตทใ“ใ‚‹็พ่ฑกใงใ™
10:04
And some say the more regularly you do this, the happier you'll be.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้ ป็นใซใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅนธใ›ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™
10:10
Now I'm not a psychologist or a neuroscientist.
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็งใฏๅฟƒ็†ๅญฆ่€…ใงใ‚‚ ็ฅž็ตŒ็ง‘ๅญฆ่€…ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒ
10:13
But I can tell you, for me, that is very true.
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ๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰็œŸๅฎŸใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
10:17
It's not always easy, it's hard.
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใซใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ— ๅคงๅค‰ใงใ™
10:19
To really pay attention like this takes practice,
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ใ—ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใฏ ็ทด็ฟ’ใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ—
10:22
everybody does it their own way.
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ใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใžใ‚Œใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
10:23
But if there's one thing I can share
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้›†ไธญใ—ใฆ ใ—ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ
10:25
that I think helps me focus and really pay attention, it's this:
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ใŠไผใˆใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ™ใ‚Œใฐ ใ“ใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใงใ™
10:30
I try not to see other creative people as my competitors.
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ไป–ใฎใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชไบบใŸใกใ‚’ ็ซถไบ‰็›ธๆ‰‹ใ ใจๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™
10:36
I try to find collaborators.
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ๅ”ๅŠ›ใงใใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ใพใ™
10:38
Like, if I'm acting in a scene,
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ไพ‹ใˆใฐ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฎๆ’ฎๅฝฑใง
10:40
if I start seeing the other actors as my competitors, and I'm like,
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ไป–ใฎๅฝน่€…ใ‚’็ซถไบ‰็›ธๆ‰‹ใ ใจ ่€ƒใˆใŸใ‚‰ ใ“ใ†ๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
10:43
"God, they're going to get more attention than I am,
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ใ€Œๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆ–นใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‰
10:46
people are going to be talking about their performance more than mine" --
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆผ”ๆŠ€ใฎๆ–นใŒ ่ฉฑ้กŒใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ€
10:49
I've lost my focus.
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้›†ไธญใŒ้€”ๅˆ‡ใ‚Œใพใ™
10:51
And I'm probably going to suck in that scene.
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ใใฎใ‚ทใƒผใƒณใฎๅ‡บๆฅใฏ ใใฃใจๆ•ฃใ€…ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
10:53
But when I see the other actors as collaborators,
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ไป–ใฎๅฝน่€…ใ‚’ ๅ”ๅŠ›ใงใใ‚‹็›ธๆ‰‹ใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰
10:57
then it becomes almost easy to focus,
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้›†ไธญใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ ๅฎนๆ˜“ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™
11:01
because I'm just paying attention to them.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
11:04
And I don't have to think about what I'm doing --
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใ
11:06
I react to what they're doing,
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็งใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๅๅฟœใ—ใฆ
11:08
they react to what I'm doing,
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใซๅๅฟœใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง
11:09
and we can kind of keep each other in it together.
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ๅ…ฑใซใใฎๅ ดใซๅœจใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
11:12
But I don't want you to think it's only actors on a set
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ใ“ใ‚“ใช้ขจใซๅ”ๅŠ›ใงใใ‚‹ใฎใŒ ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงๆผ”ใ˜ใ‚‹ๅฝน่€…ใ ใ‘ใ ใจใฏ
11:15
that can collaborate in this way.
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่€ƒใˆใฆใปใ—ใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
11:16
I could be in whatever kind of creative situation.
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ใฉใ‚“ใชใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชๅ ดใงใ‚‚ ใ‚ใ‚Šใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
11:19
It could be professional, could be just for fun.
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ไป•ไบ‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ— ่ถฃๅ‘ณใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
11:22
I could be collaborating with people I'm not even in the same room with.
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ๅŒใ˜ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๅฑ…ๅˆใ‚ใ›ใชใ„ไบบใจ ๅ”ๅŠ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใฃใฆใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
11:26
In fact, some of my favorite things I've ever made,
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ๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไฝœๅ“ใฎไธญใซใฏ
11:29
I made with people that I never physically met.
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้ก”ใ‚’ๅˆใ‚ใ›ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ไบบใจ ไฝœใฃใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
11:31
And by the way,
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ใจใ“ใ‚ใง
11:32
this, to me, is the beauty of the internet.
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ใใ‚Œใ“ใใŒ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฎ้†้†ๅ‘ณใงใ™
11:35
If we could just stop competing for attention,
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹็ซถไบ‰ใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
11:38
then the internet becomes a great place to find collaborators.
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ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฏๅ”ๅŠ›ใงใใ‚‹็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚’ ๆŽขใ™ใฎใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™
11:43
And once I'm collaborating with other people,
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ไป–ใฎไบบใจๅ”ๅŠ›ใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
11:48
whether they're on set, or online, wherever,
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ‚ใ‚Œ ใƒใƒƒใƒˆใงใ‚ใ‚Œ ใฉใ“ใงใ‚ใ‚Œ
11:51
that makes it so much easier for me to find that flow,
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ใšใฃใจๅฎนๆ˜“ใซใƒ•ใƒญใƒผใ‚’ ่ฆ‹ใ„ใ ใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
11:54
because we're all just paying attention
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ ไธ€็ท’ใซไฝœใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎโ€•
11:57
to the one thing that we're making together.
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ใŸใ ใใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใซ ็š†ใŒ ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
12:00
And I fell like I'm part of something larger than myself,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคงใใชไฝ•ใ‹ใฎไธ€้ƒจใซ ใชใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™
12:03
and we all sort of shield each other
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ๆฐ—ใ‚’ใใ‚‰ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใ‚‰
12:06
from anything else that might otherwise grab our attention,
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ใŠไบ’ใ„ใ‚’ๅฎˆใ‚Šๅˆใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ๆŒใกใง
12:09
and we can all just be there.
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ใŸใ  ใใ“ใซๅœจใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
12:15
At least that's what works for me.
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ๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚ ็งใฏใใ†ใงใ™
12:19
Sometimes.
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏ
12:20
Sometimes -- it doesn't always work.
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏโ€• ใ„ใคใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใใฏใ„ใใพใ›ใ‚“
12:22
Sometimes, I still totally get wrapped up in that addictive cycle
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ๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใŸใ„ใจใ„ใ† ไธญๆฏ’็Šถๆ…‹ใฎใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ฏใƒซใซ
12:25
of wanting to get attention.
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ๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
12:27
I mean, like, even right now,
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ใ ใฃใฆ ไปŠใ“ใฎ็žฌ้–“ใ‚‚
12:29
can I honestly say there's not some part of me here who's like,
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ใ“ใ†่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ ใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใ„ใชใ„ใจใฏ่จ€ใ„ๅˆ‡ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
12:33
"Hey, everybody, look at me, I'm giving a TED Talk!"
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ใ€Œใญใˆ ใฟใ‚“ใช่ฆ‹ใฆใ‚ˆ TEDใงใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ใœ๏ผใ€
12:35
(Laughter)
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๏ผˆ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
12:37
There is -- there's, you know, some part.
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ใ„ใพใ™ใจใ‚‚ ใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใฏใญ
12:40
But I can also honestly say
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ใงใ™ใŒ ๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
12:42
that this whole creative process of writing and giving this talk,
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ใ“ใฎใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚’่€ƒใˆ ใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ† ๅ‰ต้€ ็š„ใชใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฏ
12:45
it's been a huge opportunity for me to focus
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅคงๅˆ‡ใซๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ
12:48
and really pay attention to something I care a lot about.
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้›†ไธญใ— ๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ† ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆฉŸไผšใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
12:52
So regardless of how much attention I do or don't get as a result,
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใ“ใ‚Œใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ๆณจ็›ฎใ•ใ‚Œใ‚ˆใ†ใŒ ใ•ใ‚Œใพใ„ใŒ
12:58
I'm happy I did it.
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ใ‚„ใฃใฆ่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
13:00
And I'm grateful to all of you for letting me.
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ใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ•ใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใฃใŸใ“ใจใซ ๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™
13:04
So thank you, that's it,
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13:06
you can give your attention to someone else now.
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ไป–ใฎ่ชฐใ‹ใซๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆ
13:08
Thanks again.
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13:10
(Applause)
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