Our lonely society makes it hard to come home from war | Sebastian Junger

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I worked as a war reporter for 15 years
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before I realized that I really had a problem.
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There was something really wrong with me.
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This was about a year before 9/11, and America wasn't at war yet.
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We weren't talking about PTSD.
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We were not yet talking about the effect of trauma and war
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on the human psyche.
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I'd been in Afghanistan for a couple of months
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with the Northern Alliance as they were fighting the Taliban.
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And at that point the Taliban had an air force,
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they had fighter planes, they had tanks, they had artillery,
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and we really got hammered pretty badly a couple of times.
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We saw some very ugly things.
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But I didn't really think it affected me.
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I didn't think much about it.
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I came home to New York, where I live.
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Then one day I went down into the subway,
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and for the first time in my life,
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I knew real fear.
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I had a massive panic attack.
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I was way more scared than I had ever been in Afghanistan.
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Everything I was looking at seemed like it was going to kill me,
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but I couldn't explain why.
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The trains were going too fast.
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There were too many people.
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The lights were too bright.
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Everything was too loud, everything was moving too quickly.
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I backed up against a support column and just waited for it.
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When I couldn't take it any longer, I ran out of the subway station
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and walked wherever I was going.
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Later, I found out that what I had was short-term PTSD:
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post-traumatic stress disorder.
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We evolved as animals, as primates, to survive periods of danger,
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and if your life has been in danger,
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you want to react to unfamiliar noises.
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You want to sleep lightly, wake up easily.
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You want to have nightmares and flashbacks
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of the thing that could kill you.
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You want to be angry because it makes you predisposed to fight,
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or depressed, because it keeps you out of circulation a little bit.
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Keeps you safe.
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It's not very pleasant, but it's better than getting eaten.
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Most people recover from that pretty quickly.
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It takes a few weeks, a few months.
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I kept having panic attacks, but they eventually went away.
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I had no idea it was connected to the war that I'd seen.
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I just thought I was going crazy,
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and then I thought, well, now I'm not going crazy anymore.
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About 20 percent of people, however,
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wind up with chronic, long-term PTSD.
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They are not adapted to temporary danger.
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They are maladapted for everyday life,
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unless they get help.
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We know that the people who are vulnerable to long-term PTSD
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are people who were abused as children,
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who suffered trauma as children,
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people who have low education levels,
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people who have psychiatric disorders in their family.
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If you served in Vietnam
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and your brother is schizophrenic,
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you're way more likely to get long-term PTSD from Vietnam.
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So I started to study this as a journalist,
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and I realized that there was something really strange going on.
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The numbers seemed to be going in the wrong direction.
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Every war that we have fought as a country,
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starting with the Civil War,
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the intensity of the combat has gone down.
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As a result, the casualty rates have gone down.
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But disability rates have gone up.
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They should be going in the same direction,
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but they're going in different directions.
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The recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have produced, thank God,
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a casualty rate about one third of what it was in Vietnam.
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But they've also created --
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they've also produced three times the disability rates.
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Around 10 percent of the US military is actively engaged in combat,
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10 percent or under.
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They're shooting at people, killing people,
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getting shot at, seeing their friends get killed.
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It's incredibly traumatic.
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But it's only about 10 percent of our military.
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But about half of our military has filed
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for some kind of PTSD compensation from the government.
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And suicide doesn't even fit into this in a very logical way.
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We've all heard the tragic statistic of 22 vets a day, on average,
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in this country, killing themselves.
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Most people don't realize
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that the majority of those suicides are veterans of the Vietnam War,
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that generation,
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and their decision to take their own lives actually might not be related
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to the war they fought 50 years earlier.
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In fact, there's no statistical connection between combat and suicide.
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If you're in the military and you're in a lot of combat,
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you're no more likely to kill yourself than if you weren't.
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In fact, one study found
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that if you deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan,
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you're actually slightly less likely to commit suicide later.
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I studied anthropology in college.
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I did my fieldwork on the Navajo reservation.
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I wrote a thesis on Navajo long-distance runners.
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And recently, while I was researching PTSD,
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I had this thought.
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I thought back to the work I did when I was young,
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and I thought, I bet the Navajo, the Apache, the Comanche --
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I mean, these are very warlike nations --
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I bet they weren't getting PTSD like we do.
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When their warriors came back from fighting the US military
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or fighting each other,
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I bet they pretty much just slipped right back into tribal life.
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And maybe what determines
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the rate of long-term PTSD
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isn't what happened out there,
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but the kind of society you come back to.
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And maybe if you come back to a close, cohesive, tribal society,
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you can get over trauma pretty quickly.
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And if you come back to an alienating, modern society,
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you might remain traumatized your entire life.
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In other words, maybe the problem isn't them, the vets;
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maybe the problem is us.
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Certainly, modern society is hard on the human psyche
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by every metric that we have.
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As wealth goes up in a society,
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the suicide rate goes up instead of down.
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If you live in modern society,
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you're up to eight times more likely
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to suffer from depression in your lifetime
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than if you live in a poor, agrarian society.
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Modern society has probably produced the highest rates of suicide
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and depression and anxiety and loneliness and child abuse
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ever in human history.
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I saw one study
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that compared women in Nigeria,
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one of the most chaotic and violent and corrupt
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and poorest countries in Africa,
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to women in North America.
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And the highest rates of depression were urban women in North America.
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That was also the wealthiest group.
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So let's go back to the US military.
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Ten percent are in combat.
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Around 50 percent have filed for PTSD compensation.
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So about 40 percent of veterans really were not traumatized overseas
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but have come home to discover they are dangerously alienated
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and depressed.
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So what is happening with them?
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What's going on with those people,
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the phantom 40 percent that are troubled but don't understand why?
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Maybe it's this:
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maybe they had an experience of sort of tribal closeness
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in their unit when they were overseas.
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They were eating together, sleeping together,
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doing tasks and missions together.
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They were trusting each other with their lives.
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And then they come home
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and they have to give all that up
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and they're coming back to a society, a modern society,
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which is hard on people who weren't even in the military.
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It's just hard on everybody.
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And we keep focusing on trauma, PTSD.
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But for a lot of these people,
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maybe it's not trauma.
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I mean, certainly, soldiers are traumatized
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and the ones who are have to be treated for that.
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But a lot of them --
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maybe what's bothering them is actually a kind of alienation.
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I mean, maybe we just have the wrong word for some of it,
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and just changing our language, our understanding,
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would help a little bit.
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"Post-deployment alienation disorder."
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Maybe even just calling it that for some of these people
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would allow them to stop imagining
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trying to imagine a trauma that didn't really happen
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in order to explain a feeling that really is happening.
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And in fact, it's an extremely dangerous feeling.
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That alienation and depression can lead to suicide.
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These people are in danger.
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It's very important to understand why.
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The Israeli military has a PTSD rate of around one percent.
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The theory is that everyone in Israel is supposed to serve in the military.
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When soldiers come back from the front line,
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they're not going from a military environment to a civilian environment.
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They're coming back to a community where everyone understands
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about the military.
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Everyone's been in it or is going to be in it.
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Everyone understands the situation they're all in.
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It's as if they're all in one big tribe.
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We know that if you take a lab rat
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and traumatize it and put it in a cage by itself,
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you can maintain its trauma symptoms almost indefinitely.
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And if you take that same lab rat and put it in a cage with other rats,
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after a couple of weeks, it's pretty much OK.
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After 9/11,
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the murder rate in New York City went down by 40 percent.
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The suicide rate went down.
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The violent crime rate in New York went down after 9/11.
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Even combat veterans of previous wars who suffered from PTSD
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said that their symptoms went down after 9/11 happened.
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The reason is that if you traumatize an entire society,
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we don't fall apart and turn on one another.
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We come together. We unify.
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Basically, we tribalize,
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and that process of unifying feels so good and is so good for us,
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that it even helps people
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who are struggling with mental health issues.
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During the blitz in London,
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admissions to psychiatric wards went down during the bombings.
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For a while, that was the kind of country
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that American soldiers came back to -- a unified country.
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We were sticking together.
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We were trying to understand the threat against us.
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We were trying to help ourselves and the world.
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But that's changed.
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Now, American soldiers,
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American veterans are coming back to a country that is so bitterly divided
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that the two political parties are literally accusing each other
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of treason, of being an enemy of the state,
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of trying to undermine the security and the welfare of their own country.
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The gap between rich and poor is the biggest it's ever been.
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It's just getting worse.
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Race relations are terrible.
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There are demonstrations and even riots in the streets
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because of racial injustice.
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And veterans know that any tribe that treated itself that way -- in fact,
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any platoon that treated itself that way -- would never survive.
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We've gotten used to it.
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Veterans have gone away and are coming back
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and seeing their own country with fresh eyes.
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And they see what's going on.
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This is the country they fought for.
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No wonder they're depressed.
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No wonder they're scared.
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Sometimes, we ask ourselves if we can save the vets.
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I think the real question is if we can save ourselves.
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If we can,
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I think the vets are going to be fine.
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It's time for this country to unite,
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if only to help the men and women who fought to protect us.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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