Jason Clay: How big brands can help save biodiversity

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I grew up on a small farm in Missouri.
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We lived on less than a dollar a day
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for about 15 years.
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I got a scholarship, went to university,
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studied international agriculture, studied anthropology,
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and decided I was going to give back.
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I was going to work with small farmers.
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I was going to help alleviate poverty.
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I was going to work on international development,
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and then I took a turn
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and ended up here.
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Now, if you get a Ph.D., and you decide not to teach,
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you don't always end up in a place like this.
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It's a choice. You might end up driving a taxicab.
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You could be in New York.
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What I found was,
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I started working with refugees and famine victims --
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small farmers, all, or nearly all --
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who had been dispossessed and displaced.
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Now, what I'd been trained to do
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was methodological research on such people.
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So I did it: I found out how many women
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had been raped en route to these camps.
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I found out how many people had been put in jail,
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how many family members had been killed.
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I assessed how long they were going to stay
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and how much it would take to feed them.
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And I got really good at predicting
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how many body bags you would need
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for the people who were going to die in these camps.
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Now this is God's work, but it's not my work.
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It's not the work I set out to do.
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So I was at a Grateful Dead benefit concert on the rainforests
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in 1988.
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I met a guy -- the guy on the left.
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His name was Ben.
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He said, "What can I do to save the rainforests?"
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I said, "Well, Ben, what do you do?"
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"I make ice cream."
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So I said, "Well, you've got to make
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a rainforest ice cream.
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And you've got to use nuts from the rainforests
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to show that forests are worth more as forests
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than they are as pasture."
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He said, "Okay."
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Within a year,
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Rainforest Crunch was on the shelves.
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It was a great success.
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We did our first million-dollars-worth of trade
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by buying on 30 days and selling on 21.
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That gets your adrenaline going.
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Then we had a four and a half million-dollar line of credit
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because we were credit-worthy at that point.
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We had 15 to 20, maybe 22 percent
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of the global Brazil-nut market.
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We paid two to three times more than anybody else.
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Everybody else raised their prices to the gatherers of Brazil nuts
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because we would buy it otherwise.
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A great success.
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50 companies signed up, 200 products came out,
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generated 100 million in sales.
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It failed.
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Why did it fail?
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Because the people who were gathering Brazil nuts
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weren't the same people who were cutting the forests.
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And the people who made money from Brazil nuts
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were not the people who made money from cutting the forests.
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We were attacking the wrong driver.
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We needed to be working on beef.
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We needed to be working on lumber.
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We needed to be working on soy --
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things that we were not focused on.
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So let's go back to Sudan.
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I often talk to refugees:
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"Why was it that the West didn't realize
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that famines are caused by policies and politics,
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not by weather?"
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And this farmer said to me, one day,
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something that was very profound.
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He said, "You can't wake a person who's pretending to sleep."
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(Laughter)
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Okay. Fast forward.
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We live on a planet.
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There's just one of them.
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We've got to wake up to the fact
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that we don't have any more
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and that this is a finite planet.
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We know the limits of the resources we have.
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We may be able to use them differently.
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We may have some innovative, new ideas.
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But in general, this is what we've got.
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There's no more of it.
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There's a basic equation that we can't get away from.
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Population times consumption
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has got to have some kind of relationship to the planet,
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and right now, it's a simple "not equal."
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Our work shows that we're living
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at about 1.3 planets.
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Since 1990,
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we crossed the line
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of being in a sustainable relationship to the planet.
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Now we're at 1.3.
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If we were farmers, we'd be eating our seed.
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For bankers, we'd be living off the principal, not the interest.
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This is where we stand today.
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A lot of people like to point
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to some place else as the cause of the problem.
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It's always population growth.
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Population growth's important,
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but it's also about how much each person consumes.
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So when the average American
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consumes 43 times as much
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as the average African,
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we've got to think that consumption is an issue.
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It's not just about population,
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and it's not just about them; it's about us.
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But it's not just about people;
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it's about lifestyles.
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There's very good evidence --
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again, we don't necessarily have
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a peer-reviewed methodology
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that's bulletproof yet --
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but there's very good evidence
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that the average cat in Europe
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has a larger environmental footprint in its lifetime
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than the average African.
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You think that's not an issue going forward?
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You think that's not a question
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as to how we should be using the Earth's resources?
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Let's go back and visit our equation.
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In 2000, we had six billion people on the planet.
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They were consuming what they were consuming --
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let's say one unit of consumption each.
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We have six billion units of consumption.
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By 2050,
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we're going to have nine billion people -- all the scientists agree.
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They're all going to consume twice as much as they currently do --
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scientists, again, agree --
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because income is going to grow in developing countries
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five times what it is today --
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on global average, about [2.9].
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So we're going to have 18 billion units of consumption.
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Who have you heard talking lately
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that's said we have to triple production
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of goods and services?
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But that's what the math says.
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We're not going to be able to do that.
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We can get productivity up.
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We can get efficiency up.
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But we've also got to get consumption down.
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We need to use less
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to make more.
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And then we need to use less again.
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And then we need to consume less.
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All of those things are part of that equation.
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But it basically raises a fundamental question:
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should consumers have a choice
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about sustainability, about sustainable products?
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Should you be able to buy a product that's sustainable
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sitting next to one that isn't,
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or should all the products on the shelf be sustainable?
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If they should all be sustainable on a finite planet,
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how do you make that happen?
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The average consumer takes 1.8 seconds in the U.S.
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Okay, so let's be generous.
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Let's say it's 3.5 seconds in Europe.
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How do you evaluate all the scientific data
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around a product,
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the data that's changing on a weekly, if not a daily, basis?
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How do you get informed?
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You don't.
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Here's a little question.
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From a greenhouse gas perspective,
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is lamb produced in the U.K.
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better than lamb produced in New Zealand,
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frozen and shipped to the U.K.?
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Is a bad feeder lot operation for beef
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better or worse than
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a bad grazing operation for beef?
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Do organic potatoes
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actually have fewer toxic chemicals
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used to produce them
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than conventional potatoes?
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In every single case,
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the answer is "it depends."
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It depends on who produced it and how,
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in every single instance.
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And there are many others.
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How is a consumer going to walk through this minefield?
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They're not.
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They may have a lot of opinions about it,
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but they're not going to be terribly informed.
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Sustainability has got to be a pre-competitive issue.
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It's got to be something we all care about.
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And we need collusion.
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We need groups to work together that never have.
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We need Cargill to work with Bunge.
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We need Coke to work with Pepsi.
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We need Oxford to work with Cambridge.
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We need Greenpeace to work with WWF.
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Everybody's got to work together --
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China and the U.S.
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We need to begin to manage this planet
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as if our life depended on it,
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because it does,
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it fundamentally does.
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But we can't do everything.
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Even if we get everybody working on it,
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we've got to be strategic.
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We need to focus on the where,
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the what and the who.
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So, the where:
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We've identified 35 places globally that we need to work.
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These are the places that are the richest in biodiversity
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and the most important from an ecosystem function point-of-view.
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We have to work in these places.
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We have to save these places if we want a chance in hell
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of preserving biodiversity as we know it.
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We looked at the threats to these places.
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These are the 15 commodities
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that fundamentally pose the biggest threats
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to these places
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because of deforestation,
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soil loss, water use, pesticide use,
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over-fishing, etc.
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So we've got 35 places,
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we've got 15 priority commodities,
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who do we work with
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to change the way those commodities are produced?
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Are we going to work with 6.9 billion consumers?
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Let's see, that's about 7,000 languages,
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350 major languages --
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a lot of work there.
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I don't see anybody actually being able
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to do that very effectively.
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Are we going to work with 1.5 billion producers?
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Again, a daunting task.
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There must be a better way.
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300 to 500 companies
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control 70 percent or more
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of the trade of each of the 15 commodities
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that we've identified as the most significant.
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If we work with those, if we change those companies
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and the way they do business,
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then the rest will happen automatically.
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So, we went through our 15 commodities.
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This is nine of them.
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We lined them up side-by-side,
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and we put the names of the companies that work
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on each of those.
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And if you go through the first 25 or 30 names
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of each of the commodities,
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what you begin to see is,
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gosh, there's Cargill here, there's Cargill there,
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there's Cargill everywhere.
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In fact, these names start coming up over and over again.
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So we did the analysis again a slightly different way.
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We said: if we take the top hundred companies,
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what percentage
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of all 15 commodities
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do they touch, buy or sell?
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And what we found is it's 25 percent.
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So 100 companies
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control 25 percent of the trade
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of all 15 of the most significant
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commodities on the planet.
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We can get our arms around a hundred companies.
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A hundred companies, we can work with.
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Why is 25 percent important?
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Because if these companies demand sustainable products,
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they'll pull 40 to 50 percent of production.
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Companies can push producers
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faster than consumers can.
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By companies asking for this,
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we can leverage production so much faster
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than by waiting for consumers to do it.
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After 40 years, the global organic movement
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has achieved 0.7 of one percent
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of global food.
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We can't wait that long.
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We don't have that kind of time.
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We need change
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that's going to accelerate.
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Even working with individual companies
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is not probably going to get us there.
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We need to begin to work with industries.
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So we've started roundtables
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where we bring together the entire value chain,
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from producers
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all the way to the retailers and brands.
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We bring in civil society, we bring in NGOs,
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we bring in researchers and scientists
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to have an informed discussion --
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sometimes a battle royale --
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to figure out what are the key impacts
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of these products,
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what is a global benchmark,
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what's an acceptable impact,
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and design standards around that.
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It's not all fun and games.
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In salmon aquaculture,
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we kicked off a roundtable
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almost six years ago.
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Eight entities came to the table.
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We eventually got, I think, 60 percent
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of global production at the table
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and 25 percent of demand at the table.
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Three of the original eight entities were suing each other.
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And yet, next week, we launch
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globally verified, vetted and certified
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standards for salmon aquaculture.
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It can happen.
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(Applause)
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So what brings
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the different entities to the table?
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It's risk and demand.
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For the big companies, it's reputational risk,
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but more importantly,
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they don't care what the price of commodities is.
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If they don't have commodities, they don't have a business.
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They care about availability,
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so the big risk for them is not having product at all.
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For the producers,
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if a buyer wants to buy something produced a certain way,
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that's what brings them to the table.
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So it's the demand that brings them to the table.
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The good news is
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we identified a hundred companies two years ago.
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In the last 18 months, we've signed agreements
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with 40 of those hundred companies
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to begin to work with them on their supply chain.
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And in the next 18 months,
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we will have signed up to work with another 40,
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and we think we'll get those signed as well.
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Now what we're doing is bringing the CEOs
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of these 80 companies together
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to help twist the arms of the final 20,
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to bring them to the table,
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because they don't like NGOs, they've never worked with NGOs,
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they're concerned about this, they're concerned about that,
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but we all need to be in this together.
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So we're pulling out all the stops.
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We're using whatever leverage we have to bring them to the table.
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One company we're working with that's begun --
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in baby steps, perhaps --
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but has begun this journey on sustainability is Cargill.
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They've funded research that shows
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that we can double global palm oil production
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without cutting a single tree in the next 20 years,
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and do it all in Borneo alone
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by planting on land that's already degraded.
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The study shows that the highest net present value
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for palm oil
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is on land that's been degraded.
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They're also undertaking a study to look at
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all of their supplies of palm oil
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to see if they could be certified
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and what they would need to change in order to become third-party certified
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under a credible certification program.
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Why is Cargill important?
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Because Cargill has 20 to 25 percent
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of global palm oil.
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If Cargill makes a decision,
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the entire palm oil industry moves,
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or at least 40 or 50 percent of it.
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That's not insignificant.
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More importantly, Cargill and one other company
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ship 50 percent of the palm oil
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that goes to China.
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We don't have to change the way
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a single Chinese company works
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if we get Cargill to only send
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sustainable palm oil to China.
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It's a pre-competitive issue.
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All the palm oil going there is good.
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Buy it.
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Mars is also on a similar journey.
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Now most people understand that Mars is a chocolate company,
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but Mars has made sustainability pledges
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to buy only certified product for all of its seafood.
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It turns out Mars buys more seafood than Walmart
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because of pet food.
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But they're doing some really interesting things around chocolate,
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and it all comes from the fact
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that Mars wants to be in business in the future.
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And what they see is that they need to
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improve chocolate production.
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On any given plantation,
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20 percent of the trees produce 80 percent of the crop,
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so Mars is looking at the genome,
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they're sequencing the genome of the cocoa plant.
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They're doing it with IBM and the USDA,
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and they're putting it in the public domain
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because they want everybody to have access to this data,
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because they want everybody to help them
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make cocoa more productive and more sustainable.
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What they've realized
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is that if they can identify the traits
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on productivity and drought tolerance,
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they can produce 320 percent as much cocoa
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on 40 percent of the land.
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The rest of the land can be used for something else.
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It's more with less and less again.
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That's what the future has got to be,
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and putting it in the public domain is smart.
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They don't want to be an I.P. company; they want to be a chocolate company,
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but they want to be a chocolate company forever.
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Now, the price of food, many people complain about,
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but in fact, the price of food is going down,
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and that's odd because in fact,
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consumers are not paying for the true cost of food.
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If you take a look just at water,
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what we see is that,
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with four very common products,
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you look at how much a farmer produced to make those products,
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and then you look at how much water input was put into them,
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and then you look at what the farmer was paid.
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If you divide the amount of water
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into what the farmer was paid,
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the farmer didn't receive enough money
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to pay a decent price for water in any of those commodities.
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That is an externality by definition.
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This is the subsidy from nature.
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Coca-Cola, they've worked a lot on water,
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but right now, they're entering into 17-year contracts
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with growers in Turkey
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to sell juice into Europe,
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and they're doing that because they want to have a product
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that's closer to the European market.
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But they're not just buying the juice;
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they're also buying the carbon in the trees
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to offset the shipment costs associated with carbon
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to get the product into Europe.
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There's carbon that's being bought with sugar,
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with coffee, with beef.
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This is called bundling. It's bringing those externalities
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back into the price of the commodity.
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We need to take what we've learned in private, voluntary standards
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of what the best producers in the world are doing
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and use that to inform government regulation,
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so we can shift the entire performance curve.
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We can't just focus on identifying the best;
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we've got to move the rest.
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The issue isn't what to think, it's how to think.
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These companies have begun to think differently.
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They're on a journey; there's no turning back.
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We're all on that same journey with them.
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We have to really begin to change
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the way we think about everything.
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Whatever was sustainable on a planet of six billion
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is not going to be sustainable on a planet with nine.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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