Are you a body with a mind or a mind with a body? - Maryam Alimardani

Jesi li tijelo s umom ili um s tijelom? - Maryam Alimardani

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2017-09-25 ・ TED-Ed


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Are you a body with a mind or a mind with a body? - Maryam Alimardani

Jesi li tijelo s umom ili um s tijelom? - Maryam Alimardani

3,219,785 views ・ 2017-09-25

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Prevoditelj: Irma Komljenović Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
Pogledaj svoju ruku.
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Look at your hand.
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Kako znaš da je stvarno tvoja?
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How do you know it's really yours?
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00:12
It seems obvious, unless you've experienced the rubber hand illusion.
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Čini se očito, osim ako si doživio iluziju gumene ruke.
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In this experiment, a dummy hand is placed in front of you
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U ovom eksperimentu, lažna ruka stavljena je pred tebe,
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and your real hand is hidden behind a screen.
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a tvoja je stvarna ruka skrivena iza paravana.
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Both are simultaneously stroked with a paint brush.
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Obje istovremeno gladi kist.
Koliko si god puta rekao da lažna ruka nije tvoja,
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No matter how much you remind yourself the dummy hand isn't yours,
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00:31
you eventually start to feel like it is,
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s vremenom se počinješ osjećati kao da je,
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and inevitably flinch when it's threatened with a knife.
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i neizbježno je da ćeš se izmaknuti kad joj netko priprijeti nožem.
To je možda samo privremeni trik, no pokazatelj je veće istine:
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That may just be a temporary trick, but it speaks to a larger truth:
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00:43
our bodies, the physical, biological parts of us,
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naša tijela, naš fizički, biološki dio,
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and our minds, the thinking, conscious aspects,
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i naši umovi, misleći, svjesni aspekti,
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have a complicated, tangled relationship.
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imaju kompliciran, zapetljan odnos.
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Which one primarily defines you or your self?
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Koji najbolje opisuje tebe samoga?
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Are you a physical body that only experiences thoughts and emotions
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Jesi li fizičko tijelo koje doživljava misli i osjećaje
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as a result of biochemical interactions in the brain?
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zbog biokemijskih interakcija u mozgu?
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That would be a body with a mind.
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To bi bilo tijelo s umom.
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Or is there some non-physical part of you that's pulling the strings
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Postoji li kakav ne-fizički dio tebe koji kontrolira tobom,
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but could live outside of your biological body?
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no koji bi mogao živjeti izvan tvog biološkog tijela?
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That would be a mind with a body.
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To bi bio um s tijelom.
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That takes us to an old question
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To nas dovodi do starog pitanja
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of whether the body and mind are two separate things.
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jesu li tijelo i um dvije odvojene stvari.
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In a famous thought experiment,
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U slavnom misaonom eksperimentu,
filozof iz 16. stoljeća René Descartes istaknuo je
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16th-century philosopher René Descartes pointed out
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that even if all our physical sensations were just a hallucinatory dream,
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da, čak i da su svi naši fizički osjećaji halucinantni san,
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our mind and thoughts would still be there.
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naš bi um i misli još uvijek bili tu.
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That, for him, was the ultimate proof of our existence.
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To je, za njega, bio najveći dokaz našeg postojanja.
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And it led him to conclude that
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I doveo ga je do zaključka
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the conscious mind is something separate from the material body
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da je svjesni um nešto odvojeno od opipljiva tijela
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that forms the core of our identity.
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koje čini srž našeg identiteta.
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The notion of a non-physical consciousness
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Ideja ne-fizičke svjesti
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echoes the belief of many religions in an immaterial soul
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kopija je vjerovanja mnogih vjera u netjelesnu dušu
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for which the body is only a temporary shell.
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za koju je tijelo tek privremena ljuska.
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If we accept this, another problem emerges.
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Prihvatimo li to, pojavljuje se još jedan problem.
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How can a non-physical mind have any interaction with the physical body?
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Kako ne-fizički um može imati ikakvu interakciju s fizičkim tijelom?
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If the mind has no shape, weight, or motion,
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Ako um nema oblik, težinu, ili pokret,
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how can it move your muscles?
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kako može pomicati tvoje mišiće?
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Or if we assume it can, why can your mind only move your body and not others?
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Pretpostavimo li da može, zašto tvoj um pomiče samo tvoje tijelo, a ne i druga?
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Some thinkers have found creative ways to get around this dilemma.
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Neki su mislioci našli kreativne načine rješavanja ove dileme.
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For example, the French priest and philosopher Nicolas Malebranche
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Na primjer, francuski svećenik i filozof Nicolas Malebranche
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claimed that when we think about reaching for a fork,
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tvrdio je da kada pomislimo o dosezanju vilice,
bog pomiče našu ruku.
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it's actually god who moves our hand.
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Another priest philosopher named George Berkeley
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Drugi svećenik filozof, George Berkeley,
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concluded that the material world is an illusion,
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zaključio je da je materijalni svijet iluzija
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existing only as mental perceptions.
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koja postoji samo kao mentalne percepcije.
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This question of mind versus body isn't just the domain of philosophers.
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Borba uma i tijela ne spada samo u domenu filozofa.
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With the development of psychology and neuroscience,
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S razvojem psihologije i neuroznanosti,
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scientists have weighed in, as well.
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i znanstvenici su izrekli svoje mišljenje.
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Many modern scientists reject the idea
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Mnogi moderni znanstvenici odbijaju ideju
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that there's any distinction between the mind and body.
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razlikovanja uma i tijela.
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Neuroscience suggests that our bodies, along with their physical senses,
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Neuroznanost sugerira da su naša tijela i njihovi fizički osjećaji
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are deeply integrated with the activity in our brains
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duboko povezani s aktivnošću u našim mozgovima,
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to form what we call consciousness.
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stvarajući nešto što zovemo svijest.
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From the day we're born,
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Od dana rođenja
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our mental development is formed through our body's interaction
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naš je mentalni razvoj oblikovan interakcijom tijela
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with the external world.
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s vanjskim svijetom.
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Every sight, sound, and touch create new maps and representations in the brain
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Svaki pogled, zvuk i dodir stvaraju nove mape i prikaze u mozgu
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that eventually become responsible for regulating our experience of self.
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koji s vremenom postanu odgovorni za reguliranje našeg doživljaja sebe.
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And we have other senses, besides the typical five,
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Imamo i druga osjetila, osim tipičnih pet,
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such as the sense of balance
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poput čula ravnoteže
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and a sense of the relative location of our body parts.
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i osjeta relativnih lokacija naših dijelova tijela.
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The rubber hand illusion, and similar virtual reality experiments,
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Iluzija gumene ruke i slični eksperimenti virtualne stvarnosti
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show that our senses can easily mislead us in our judgment of self.
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pokazuju nam koliko nas lagano osjetila mogu prevariti u procjeni sebe.
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They also suggest that our bodies and external sensations
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Sugeriraju i da su naša tijela i vanjski osjećaji
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are inseparable from our subjective consciousness.
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nerazdvojivi od naše subjektivne svijesti.
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If this is true, then perhaps Descartes' experiment was mistaken from the start.
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Ako je to istina, možda je i Descartesov eksperiment u krivu od samog početka.
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After all, if we close our eyes in a silent room,
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Ipak, zatvorimo li oči u tihoj prostoriji,
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the feeling of having a body isn't something we can just imagine away.
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ne možemo ne zamisliti osjećaj imanja tijela.
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This question of mind and body becomes particularly interesting
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Ovo pitanje uma i tijela postalo je zanimljivije
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at a time when we're considering future technologies,
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u dobu kad razmišljamo o tehnologijama budućnosti,
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such as neural prosthetics and wearable robots
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poput neuroprostetike i nosivih robota
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that could become extended parts of our bodies.
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koji bi postali produljeni dijelovi naših tijela.
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Or the slightly more radical idea of mind uploading,
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Ili malo radikalnija ideja prijenosa uma,
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which dangles the possibility of immortal life without a body
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koja se bavi mogućnošću besmrtnog života bez tijela
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by transferring a human consciousness into a computer.
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prebacivanjem ljudske svijesti na računalo.
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If the body is deeply mapped in the brain,
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Ako je tijelo duboko urezano u mozgu,
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then by extending our sense of self to new wearable devices,
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proširivanje naše slike sebe na nove nosive sprave
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our brains may eventually adapt to a restructured version
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može dovesti do promjene mozga u restrukturiranu verziju
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with new sensory representations.
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s novim osjetilnim reprezentacijama.
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Or perhaps uploading our consciousness into a computer might not even be possible
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A možda prijenos svijesti na računalo nije moguć
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unless we can also simulate a body capable of delivering physical sensations.
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ako ne možemo stimulirati tijelo sposobno prenijeti fizičke osjećaje.
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The idea that our bodies are part of our consciousness and vice versa
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Ideja da su naša tijela dio naše svijesti, i obratno,
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also isn't new.
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također nije nova.
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It's found extensively in Buddhist thought,
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Može ju se naći u budističkim razmišljanjima,
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as well as the writings of philosophers from Heidegger to Aristotle.
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ali i u spisima filozofa od Heideggera pa sve do Aristotela.
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But for now, we're still left with the open question
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Zasad nam je ostalo otvoreno pitanje
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of what exactly our self is.
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tko smo mi točno.
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Are we a mind equipped with a physical body as Descartes suggested?
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Jesmo li mi um opremljen fizičkim tijelom, kako je Descartes predložio?
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Or a complex organism that's gained consciousness
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Ili složen organizam koji je stekao svijest
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over millions of years of evolution
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kroz više milijuna godina evolucije
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thanks to a bigger brain and more neurons than our distant ancestors?
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zahvaljujući većem mozgu i više neurona od naših daljnjih predaka?
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Or something else entirely that no one's yet dreamt up?
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Ili nešto potpuno drukčije čega se nitko nije dosjetio?
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