A global food crisis may be less than a decade away | Sara Menker

271,072 views ・ 2017-10-26

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者:
00:12
Since 2009, the world has been stuck
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從 2009 年開始,全世界流傳著一種
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on a single narrative around a coming global food crisis
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全球糧食短缺危機即將發生的說法,
00:21
and what we need to do to avoid it.
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以及我們應該如何做來避免它。
00:24
How do we feed nine billion people by 2050?
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到 2050 年時,我們要 如何養活九十億人口?
00:30
Every conference, podcast and dialogue around global food security
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關於全球糧食保障的每一場會議、 播客(podcast)、和對話,
00:34
starts with this question
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都會以這個問題開場,
00:36
and goes on to answer it
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並接著回答說,
00:38
by saying we need to produce 70 percent more food.
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我們需要將現有的 糧食產量提高 70%。
00:44
The 2050 narrative started to evolve
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2050 年這個說法始於
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shortly after global food prices hit all-time highs in 2008.
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2008 年糧食價格 創下歷史新高之後沒多久。
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People were suffering and struggling,
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人們在苦難及掙扎,
00:56
governments and world leaders
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政府以及全球領導人
00:57
needed to show us that they were paying attention
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得要讓我們看到他們有在留意、
01:00
and were working to solve it.
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且在努力解決這個問題。
01:03
The thing is, 2050 is so far into the future
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重點是,2050 年還很遙遠,
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that we can't even relate to it,
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以致於我們不覺得切身,
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and more importantly,
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且,更重要的是,
01:11
if we keep doing what we're doing,
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如果我們繼續現行的做法,
01:14
it's going to hit us a lot sooner than that.
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危機來臨的時間會更早。
01:17
I believe we need to ask a different question.
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我認為我們需要問一個不同的問題。
01:22
The answer to that question
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那個問題的答案
01:24
needs to be framed differently.
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需要用不同的方式來表達。
01:28
If we can reframe the old narrative
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如果我們能把舊說法重新表達,
01:31
and replace it with new numbers
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並換上新的數字,
01:34
that tell us a more complete pictures,
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來提供更全面的資訊,
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numbers that everyone can understand
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且這些數字必須要是人人能理解、
01:40
and relate to,
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並感到切身的,
01:43
we can avoid the crisis altogether.
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那麼我們就可以完全避免這場危機。
01:48
I was a commodities trader in my past life
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我過去在做商品交易,
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and one of the things that I learned trading
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我從交易中學到的其中一件事,
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is that every market has a tipping point,
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就是每個市場都有一個臨界點,
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the point at which change occurs so rapidly
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在臨界點,改變會發生得十分快速,
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that it impacts the world
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以至於對世界造成衝擊,
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and things change forever.
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一切就此改變。
02:05
Think of the last financial crisis,
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想想最近一次的金融危機,
02:09
or the dot-com crash.
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或是網際網路泡沫化。
02:12
So here's my concern.
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我的擔憂是,
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We could have a tipping point
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全球糧食和農業 可能也有一個臨界點,
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in global food and agriculture
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02:20
if surging demand
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如果需求劇增,
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surpasses the agricultural system's structural capacity to produce food.
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超過了農業系統的構造產能, 這事就有可能發生。
02:30
This means at this point supply can no longer keep up with demand
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意思就是,在這個時點, 供應趕不上需求,
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despite exploding prices,
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就算價格飆高也是一樣,
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unless we can commit to some type of structural change.
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除非我們能致力於 某種結構性的改變。
02:42
This time around,
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這一回,
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it won't be about stock markets and money.
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重點不會是股市及金錢。
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It's about people.
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重點會是人。
02:48
People could starve and governments may fall.
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人們可能會餓死,政府可能會垮台。
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This question of at what point does supply struggle
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這個問題,在哪個時點
供應會開始很難趕上需求的問題,
02:57
to keep up with surging demand
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02:59
is one that started off as an interest for me while I was trading
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正是當我在做交易時 引發我興趣的問題,
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and became an absolute obsession.
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後來完全就變成了一種著迷。
03:05
It went from interest to obsession
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這個問題會從興趣變成著迷,
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when I realized through my research how broken the system was
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是因為我從研究了解到 這系統有多麼破碎、
03:12
and how very little data was being used to make such critical decisions.
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以及在做相關關鍵決策時 用的資料有多麼少。
03:17
That's the point I decided to walk away from a career on Wall Street
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在這個時點,我決定 離開華爾街的工作,
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and start an entrepreneurial journey
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開始走上創業之路,
03:24
to start Gro Intelligence.
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創辦了「Gro Intelligence」 (全球農業資料分析)。
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At Gro, we focus on bringing this data
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在 Gro,我們著重在使用資料,
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and doing the work to make it actionable,
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並設法將資料轉變成可執行的行動,
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to empower decision-makers at every level.
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來協助各層級的決策者。
03:36
But doing this work,
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但在做這些工作時,
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we also realized that the world,
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我們也發現到,這個世界,
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not just world leaders,
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不僅僅是世界領導人,
03:42
but businesses and citizens like every single person in this room,
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還有企業和公民, 就像現場在座的每個人,
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lacked an actionable guide
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都缺少一份行動指南,
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on how we can avoid a coming global food security crisis.
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來指導我們要如何避免 即將發生的糧食保障危機。
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And so we built a model,
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所以,我們建立了一個模型,
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leveraging the petabytes of data we sit on,
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讓我們手中數千兆位元組的資料 能發揮重要功能,
03:59
and we solved for the tipping point.
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而我們解出了臨界點。
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Now, no one knows we've been working on this problem
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沒有人知道我們一直 在處理這個問題,
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and this is the first time that I'm sharing what we discovered.
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這是我第一次分享我們的發現。
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We discovered that the tipping point is actually a decade from now.
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我們發現,臨界點其實就在十年後。
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We discovered that the world
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我們發現,世界將會短缺
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will be short 214 trillion calories
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214 兆卡路里的糧食,
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by 2027.
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2027 年就會發生。
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The world is not in a position to fill this gap.
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世界沒有辦法補足這個落差。
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Now, you'll notice
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你應該有注意到,
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that the way I'm framing this is different from how I started,
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我現在表達的方式和一開始不同,
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and that's intentional, because until now
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這是刻意的,因為目前為止,
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this problem has been quantified using mass:
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這個問題一直都是用質量來量化:
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think kilograms, tons, hectograms,
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比如公斤、噸、百公克,
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whatever your unit of choice is in mass.
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任何你可以選擇的質量單位。
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Why do we talk about food in terms of weight?
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我們為什麼用重量來談食物?
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Because it's easy.
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因為那樣很簡單。
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We can look at a photograph and determine tonnage on a ship
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只要有台簡單的口袋計算機, 我們就可以憑照片,
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by using a simple pocket calculator.
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判斷出一艘船所載的總噸數。
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We can weigh trucks, airplanes and oxcarts.
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我們可以測出卡車、 飛機、牛車有多重。
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But what we care about in food is nutritional value.
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但對於食物, 我們在乎的是營養價值。
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Not all foods are created equal,
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並非所有食物都生來平等,
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even if they weigh the same.
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即使它們重量相同。
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This I learned firsthand
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我從衣索比亞搬到美國來讀大學時,
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when I moved from Ethiopia to the US for university.
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親身學到了這一點。
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Upon my return back home,
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當我返家時,
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my father, who was so excited to see me,
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我的父親很高興看到我,
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greeted me by asking why I was fat.
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他迎接我的方式是 問我為什麼變胖了。
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Now, turns out that eating
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結果發現,
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approximately the same amount of food as I did in Ethiopia, but in America,
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我在美國吃的食物份量 和在衣索比亞時差不多,
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had actually lent a certain fullness to my figure.
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但在美國我卻變得比較圓胖了。
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This is why we should care about calories,
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這就是為什麼我們應該考量卡路里,
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not about mass.
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而不是質量。
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It is calories which sustain us.
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是卡路里維繫著我們的生命。
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So 214 trillion calories is a very large number,
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所以,214 兆卡路里 是一個龐大的數字,
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and not even the most dedicated of us
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即使是我們當中最投入的人,
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think in the hundreds of trillions of calories.
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也不會用數百兆卡路里來思考。
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So let me break this down differently.
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所以,讓我換種方式來分解。
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An alternative way to think about this
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另一種思考這個量的方式,
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is to think about it in Big Macs.
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是用麥當勞大麥克來計算。
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214 trillion calories.
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214 兆卡路里。
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A single Big Mac has 563 calories.
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一個大麥克的熱量是 563 卡路里。
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That means the world will be short 379 billion Big Macs in 2027.
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換言之,2027年,世界糧食 短缺量會達 3790 億個大麥克。
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That is more Big Macs than McDonald's has ever produced.
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這比麥當勞歷史上所有 製作出的大麥克總數還要多。
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So how did we get to these numbers in the first place?
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所以,我們最初是如何 得到這些數字的?
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They're not made up.
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它們不是捏造的。
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This map shows you where the world was 40 years ago.
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這張圖呈現的是四十年前的世界。
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It shows you net calorie gaps in every country in the world.
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它呈現的是世界各國的 淨卡路里差值。
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Now, simply put,
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簡單來說,
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this is just calories consumed in that country
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這個差值就是該國家消耗的卡路里
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minus calories produced in that same country.
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減去該國生產的卡路里。
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This is not a statement on malnutrition or anything else.
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這不是一份營養失調的 聲明或其他東西。
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It's simply saying how many calories are consumed in a single year
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它很單純就是一年內消耗的卡路里
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minus how many are produced.
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減去生產的卡路里。
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Blue countries are net calorie exporters,
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藍色國家是淨卡路里出口國,
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or self-sufficient.
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或自給自足國。
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They have some in storage for a rainy day.
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他們有些存糧,以備不時之需。
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Red countries are net calorie importers.
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紅色國家是淨卡路里進口國。
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The deeper, the brighter the red,
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紅色越深越亮,
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the more you're importing.
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表示進口量越大。
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40 years ago, such few countries were net exporters of calories,
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四十年前,只有少數國家 是淨卡路里出口國,
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I could count them with one hand.
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用一隻手就可以數出來。
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Most of the African continent,
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非洲大陸大部分地區、
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Europe, most of Asia,
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歐洲、亞洲大部分地區、
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South America excluding Argentina,
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南美在阿根廷以外的地區,
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were all net importers of calories.
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都是淨卡路裡進口國。
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And what's surprising is that China used to actually be food self-sufficient.
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令人吃驚的是,中國以前 是個自給自足的國家。
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India was a big net importer of calories.
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印度曾是一個淨卡路里進口大國。
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40 years later, this is today.
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這張圖是四十年後的現在。
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You can see the drastic transformation that's occurred in the world.
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你們可以看到世界上發生的劇變。
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Brazil has emerged as an agricultural powerhouse.
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巴西以農業強勢國之姿興起。
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Europe is dominant in global agriculture.
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歐洲支配了全球農業。
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India has actually flipped from red to blue.
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印度則由紅色翻盤變為藍色。
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It's become food self-sufficient.
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它變成能夠自給自足。
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And China went from that light blue
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而中國,則由淺藍色
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to the brightest red that you see on this map.
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變成這張圖上最亮的紅色。
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How did we get here? What happened?
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我們怎麼走到這一步的? 發生了什麼事?
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So this chart shows you India and Africa.
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這張圖呈現出的是印度和非洲。
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Blue line is India, red line is Africa.
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藍線代表印度,紅線代表非洲。
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How is it that two regions that started off so similarly
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為什麼這兩個區域的軌跡
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in such similar trajectories
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一開始如此相近,
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take such different paths?
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後來卻各走各路?
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India had a green revolution.
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印度有綠色革命。
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Not a single African country had a green revolution.
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但是非洲沒有一個國家 有過綠色革命。
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The net outcome?
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結果呢?
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India is food self-sufficient
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印度的食物能自給自足,
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and in the past decade has actually been exporting calories.
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且過去十年間都在對外出口卡路里。
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The African continent now imports over 300 trillion calories a year.
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非洲大陸每年要進口 超過 300 兆的卡路里。
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Then we add China, the green line.
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接著我們加上了中國,用綠線表示。
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Remember the switch from the blue to the bright red?
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還記得中國由藍色變成亮紅色嗎?
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What happened and when did it happen?
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發生了什麼事?何時發生的?
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China seemed to be on a very similar path to India
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中國的路線似乎和印度很類似,
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until the start of the 21st century,
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直到 21 世紀初,
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where it suddenly flipped.
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它突然翻盤。
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A young and growing population
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中國的人口既年輕又在成長,
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combined with significant economic growth
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結合了顯著的經濟成長,
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made its mark with a big bang
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讓它非常響亮地一炮而紅,
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and no one in the markets saw it coming.
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市場中的所有人都沒有預料到。
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This flip was everything to global agricultural markets.
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對全球農業市場來說, 這個翻盤極重要。
09:25
Luckily now, South America
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幸運的是,在中國興起的同時,
09:27
was starting to boom at the same time as China's rise,
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南美洲也開始快速發展,
09:33
and so therefore, supply and demand were still somewhat balanced.
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因此,供給與需求依舊 以某種方式保持著平衡。
09:38
So the question becomes,
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所以,問題就變成了:
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where do we go from here?
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接下來我們要往何處去?
09:43
Oddly enough,
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奇怪的是,
09:45
it's not a new story,
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這不是個新故事,
09:47
except this time it's not just a story of China.
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只不過這一次, 這並不只是中國的故事。
09:51
It's a continuation of China,
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它是中國的延續、
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an amplification of Africa
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對非洲的放大觀察、
09:55
and a paradigm shift in India.
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以及印度的典範轉移。
09:58
By 2023,
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到 2023 年,
10:00
Africa's population is forecasted to overtake that of India's and China's.
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預計非洲人口將會超過印度和中國。
10:05
By 2023, these three regions combined
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到 2023 年, 這三個區域的總人口數
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will make up over half the world's population.
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將會超過世界人口數的一半。
10:13
This crossover point starts to present really interesting challenges
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在這個交匯點會開始出現
全球糧食保障方面 很引人關注的挑戰。
10:17
for global food security.
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10:19
And a few years later, we're hit hard with that reality.
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幾年之後,我們將會 受到現實的當頭棒喝。
10:23
What does the world look like in 10 years?
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十年後的世界會是什麼樣子?
10:28
So far, as I mentioned, India has been food self-sufficient.
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目前,如我剛才提到的, 印度能夠自給自足。
10:32
Most forecasters predict that this will continue.
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大部份的預測者推測, 這個現象會持續。
10:37
We disagree.
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我們不同意。
10:38
India will soon become a net importer of calories.
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印度很快就會變成淨卡路里進口國。
10:43
This will be driven both by the fact
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造成的原因包括
10:45
that demand is growing from a population growth standpoint
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從人口成長加上 經濟成長的角度來看,
10:48
plus economic growth.
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需求在成長。
10:50
It will be driven by both.
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兩者將都是原因。
10:51
And even if you have optimistic assumptions
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即使你對於生產成長
10:54
around production growth,
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有樂觀的假設,
10:56
it will make that slight flip.
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它會造成輕微的翻盤。
10:58
That slight flip can have huge implications.
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而那輕微的翻盤 可能會有重大的意涵。
11:03
Next, Africa will continue to be a net importer of calories,
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再來,非洲會持續是 淨卡路里進口國,
11:08
again driven by population growth and economic growth.
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也是因為人口成長和 經濟成長兩個原因。
11:11
This is again assuming optimistic production growth assumptions.
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同樣的,這也是在對生產成長 做了樂觀假設的結果。
11:15
Then China,
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接著,中國,
11:17
where population is flattening out,
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人口成長趨於平緩了,
11:19
calorie consumption will explode
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消耗的卡路里會暴增,
11:21
because the types of calories consumed
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因為所消耗的卡路里類型
11:24
are also starting to be higher-calorie-content foods.
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會開始變成是 卡路里含量更高的食物。
11:29
And so therefore,
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因此,
11:31
these three regions combined
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這三個區域加在一起,
11:33
start to present a really interesting challenge for the world.
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開始會給世界帶來 十分引人關注的挑戰。
11:36
Until now, countries with calorie deficits
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目前為止,有卡路里赤字的國家
11:40
have been able to meet these deficits
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都有辦法從生產過盛的區域
11:43
by importing from surplus regions.
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進口卡路里來補足赤字。
11:45
By surplus regions, I'm talking about
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我指的生產過盛區域是
11:48
North America, South America and Europe.
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北美、南美、歐洲。
11:51
This line chart over here shows you
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從這張折線圖可以看出
11:53
the growth and the projected growth over the next decade of production
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在接下來十年,
北美、南美、歐洲的 生產成長和預測成長。
11:58
from North America, South America and Europe.
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12:00
What it doesn't show you
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從圖上無法看出的是,
12:02
is that most of this growth is actually going to come from South America.
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大部份成長其實都是來自南美。
12:06
And most of this growth
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而大部份的成長,
12:07
is going to come at the huge cost of deforestation.
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背後的代價會是砍伐森林的高成本。
12:14
And so when you look at the combined demand increase
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所以,你們看到印度、 中國、非洲大陸
12:17
coming from India, China and the African continent,
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合併的總需求增加,
12:22
and look at it versus the combined increase in production
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也對照看到印度、中國、
12:24
coming from India, China, the African continent,
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非洲大陸、北美、南美、
12:27
North America, South America and Europe,
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歐洲的合併總生產增加,
12:31
you are left with a 214-trillion-calorie deficit,
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最後你還是剩下了 214 兆卡路里的赤字,
我們無法生產出來這個量。
12:36
one we can't produce.
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12:38
And this, by the way, is actually assuming we take all the extra calories
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順道一提,這裡的假設是,我們把
12:42
produced in North America, South America and Europe
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北美、南美、歐洲所有多出的卡路里
12:45
and export them solely to India, China and Africa.
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都只出口到印度、中國、非洲。
12:51
What I just presented to you is a vision of an impossible world.
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我剛剛給各位看的, 是一個不可能的世界的遠景。
12:55
We can do something to change that.
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我們可以改變這一點。
12:58
We can change consumption patterns,
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我們可以改變卡路里消耗模式,
13:00
we can reduce food waste,
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我們可以減少食物浪費,
13:02
or we can make a bold commitment
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或是我們可以做出大膽的承諾,
13:06
to increasing yields exponentially.
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讓產量成指數增加。
13:09
Now, I'm not going to go into discussing
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我不打算要討論
13:11
changing consumption patterns or reducing food waste,
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改變卡路里消耗模式 或是減少食物浪費,
13:14
because those conversations have been going on for some time now.
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因為這類談話已經都在進行中了。
13:17
Nothing has happened.
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沒有改變發生。
13:18
Nothing has happened because those arguments
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沒有改變發生是因為那些論點
13:22
ask the surplus regions to change their behavior
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要求生產過盛的區域 為了赤字區域的利益
13:24
on behalf of deficit regions.
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而改變行為。
13:28
Waiting for others to change their behavior
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等待別人為了你的利益、 為了你的生存
13:31
on your behalf, for your survival,
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而改變他們的行為,
13:33
is a terrible idea.
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是個很糟的點子。
13:35
It's unproductive.
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是徒勞的。
13:37
So I'd like to suggest an alternative that comes from the red regions.
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所以,我想提出一個 紅色區域的替代方案。
13:43
China, India, Africa.
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中國、印度、非洲。
13:46
China is constrained in terms of how much more land it actually has
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中國受到的限制, 是能夠用在農業上的
13:49
available for agriculture,
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土地面積還有多少,
13:51
and it has massive water resource availability issues.
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中國還有嚴重的水資源可得性議題。
13:54
So the answer really lies in India and in Africa.
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所以答案落在印度和非洲。
13:59
India has some upside in terms of potential yield increases.
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在潛在產量增加方面, 印度是比較有利的。
14:04
Now this is the gap between its current yield
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潛在產量增加,是目前產量
14:07
and the theoretical maximum yield it can achieve.
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和可達到之理論最大產量間的差距。
14:11
It has some unfarmed arable land remaining, but not much,
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印度還有一些尚未 耕作的耕地,但不多,
14:14
India is quite land-constrained.
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印度的土地還蠻受限的。
14:18
Now, the African continent, on the other hand,
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另一方面,非洲大陸
14:20
has vast amounts of arable land remaining
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就仍然有大量的耕地,
14:24
and significant upside potential in yields.
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且潛在產量方面也很明顯是有利的。
14:27
Somewhat simplified picture here,
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這是簡化描述的情況,
14:30
but if you look at sub-Saharan African yields in corn today,
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但如果你們想想現今 撒哈拉以南非洲的玉米產量,
14:35
they are where North American yields were in 1940.
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和北美在 1940 年時的 產量是一樣的。
14:40
We don't have 70-plus years to figure this out,
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但我們沒有七十幾年的 時間來想出對策,
14:44
so it means we need to try something new
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這意味著,我們得要嘗試新的方法,
14:46
and we need to try something different.
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我們得要嘗試不同的方法。
14:50
The solution starts with reforms.
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解決方案始於改革。
14:53
We need to reform and commercialize
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我們得要將非洲的農業產業
14:57
the agricultural industries in Africa
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做改革並商業化,
15:00
and in India.
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印度也一樣。
15:02
Now, by commercialization --
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商業化的意思──
15:04
commercialization is not about commercial farming alone.
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商業化的重點不只是 商業性農場經營生產。
15:07
Commercialization is about leveraging data
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商業化的重點是發揮資料的效益,
15:10
to craft better policies,
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來訂出更好的政策,
15:12
to improve infrastructure,
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來改善基礎建設,
15:14
to lower the transportation costs
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來降低交通運輸成本,
15:15
and to completely reform banking and insurance industries.
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來完全改革銀行業和保險業。
15:20
Commercialization is about taking agriculture
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商業化的重點是把農業
從太冒險的努力嘗試, 帶到可以致富的努力嘗試。
15:23
from too risky an endeavor to one where fortunes can be made.
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15:27
Commercialization is not about just farmers.
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商業化不只和農夫有關。
15:30
Commercialization is about the entire agricultural system.
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商業化與整個農業系統有關。
15:36
But commercialization also means confronting the fact
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但,商業化的重點也意味著 要去正視一個事實:
15:40
that we can no longer place the burden of growth
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我們不再把成長的重擔僅僅放在
15:44
on small-scale farmers alone,
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小規模農夫的肩膀上,
15:48
and accepting that commercial farms and the introduction of commercial farms
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且接受商業化農田 以及推行商業化農田
15:53
could provide certain economies of scale
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可提供某種經濟規模,
是即使小規模農夫也可以發揮的。
15:56
that even small-scale farmers can leverage.
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15:59
It is not about small-scale farming or commercial agriculture,
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重點不是小規模農場經營 或是商業化農業,
16:03
or big agriculture.
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或大型農業。
16:05
We can create the first successful models of the coexistence and success
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我們能夠開先例,創造出 小規模農場經營與商業化農業
16:11
of small-scale farming alongside commercial agriculture.
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共存與成功的圓滿模型。
16:14
This is because, for the first time ever,
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這是因為,有史以來第一次,
16:17
the most critical tool for success in the industry --
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在業界要成功,最關鍵的工具──
16:21
data and knowledge --
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資料與知識──
16:23
is becoming cheaper by the day.
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隨日子變得越來越便宜。
16:26
And very soon, it won't matter how much money you have
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不用多久,你有多少錢 或是你有多大,
16:29
or how big you are
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就都不重要了,
16:31
to make optimal decisions and maximize probability of success
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不用這些也可以做出最理想的決策, 將成功的可能性最大化,
16:35
in reaching your intended goal.
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來達到你想要達到的目標。
16:39
Companies like Gro are working really hard to make this a reality.
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像 Gro 這樣的公司, 非常努力在實現這件事。
16:43
So if we can commit to this new, bold initiative,
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如果我們能夠承諾去做 這個新的、大膽的計畫,
16:48
to this new, bold change,
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這個新的、大膽的改變,
16:50
not only can we solve the 214-trillion gap that I talked about,
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我們不但能夠解決先前提到的 214 兆差額問題,
16:55
but we can actually set the world on a whole new path.
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還能夠把世界引領到 一條全新的路上。
16:58
India can remain food self-sufficient
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印度可以維持食物能夠自給自足,
17:02
and Africa can emerge as the world's next dark blue region.
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非洲可以以「世界下一個 深藍色區域」之姿興起。
17:09
The new question is,
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新的問題是:
17:11
how do we produce 214 trillion calories
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到 2027 年,我們要如何 生產出 214 兆卡路里,
17:15
to feed 8.3 billion people by 2027?
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來養活 83 億人?
17:20
We have the solution.
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我們有解決方案。
17:22
We just need to act on it.
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我們只需要採取行動。
17:25
Thank you.
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謝謝。
17:26
(Applause)
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