7 principles for building better cities | Peter Calthorpe | TED

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang
讓我為我們現在的處境 再增加一些複雜度。
在我們想辦法處理氣候變遷的同時,
我們也要為三十億人建造城市。
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So, let me add to the complexity
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of the situation we find ourselves in.
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也就是要把都市環境再增加一倍。
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At the same time that we're solving for climate change,
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如果我們沒有做對,
世界上所有的氣候解決方案 可能也無法拯救人類,
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we're going to be building cities for three billion people.
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因為我們形塑城市的方式, 具有很大的影響力:
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That's a doubling of the urban environment.
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不僅影響環境,
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If we don't get that right,
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還有我們的社會福祉、 我們的經濟活力,
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I'm not sure all the climate solutions in the world will save mankind,
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我們的社群意識,以及連結性。
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because so much depends on how we shape our cities:
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我們形塑城市的方式 基本上就是在呈現
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not just environmental impacts,
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我們想要發揮什麼樣的人性。
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but our social well-being,
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所以我認為把它做對
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our economic vitality,
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our sense of community and connectedness.
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非常重要。
且在某種程度上,把它做對 也能協助我們解決氣候變遷,
00:49
Fundamentally, the way we shape cities is a manifestation
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因為,到頭來,這個問題 背後的推手似乎是我們的行為。
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of the kind of humanity we bring to bear.
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And so getting it right is, I think,
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這個問題並不是獨立的, 也不只是埃克森美孚
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the order of the day.
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And to a certain degree, getting it right can help us solve climate change,
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和石油公司要負責。
源頭是我們;我們的生活方式。
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because in the end,
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it's our behavior that seems to be driving the problem.
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我們的生活方式。
在這個故事中有個壞蛋, 叫做蔓延(擴張),
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The problem isn't free-floating,
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and it isn't just ExxonMobil and oil companies.
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我會很坦白來談它。
但,並不是各位或許多人 認為的那種蔓延,
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It's us; how we live.
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不是指在大都會地區 周邊的低密度發展。
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How we live.
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01:19
There's a villain in this story.
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01:21
It's called sprawl, and I'll be upfront about that.
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其實,任何密度的任何地方 都可能出現蔓延。
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But it's not just the kind of sprawl you think of, or many people think of,
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蔓延的關鍵特色是會把人隔離。
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as low-density development
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out at the periphery of the metropolitan area.
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它會用經濟飛地
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Actually, I think sprawl can happen anywhere, at any density.
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及土地用途飛地將人分離。
它會把人和大自然分開。
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The key attribute is that it isolates people.
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它不容許雜交、互動,
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It segregates people into economic enclaves
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但這些元素能讓城市變好,
讓社會繁榮。
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and land-use enclaves.
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It separates them from nature.
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所以我們應該好好思考 蔓延的解藥是什麼,
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It doesn't allow the cross-fertilization,
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特別是在我們要承擔 這個重大的建造計畫時。
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the interaction,
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that make cities great places
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and that make society thrive.
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讓我帶大家看一個模擬演練。
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So the antidote to sprawl is really what we all need to be thinking about,
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我們為加州開發出了這個模型,
讓他們在減少碳排放 方面能有所進展。
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especially when we're taking on this massive construction project.
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我們做了各種加州 可能發生的成長情境,
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So let me take you through one exercise.
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We developed the model for the state of California
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這只是其中一個過度簡化的情境。
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so they could get on with reducing carbon emissions.
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我們混合了不同的發展原型,
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We did a whole series of scenarios for how the state could grow,
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假設要處理的目標是在 2050 年時
加州會增加一千萬新成員。
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and this is just one overly simplified one.
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We mixed different development prototypes
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其中一個原型就是蔓延, 更多的如出一轍:
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and said they're going to carry us through the year 2050,
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購物中心、分區、辦公園區。
另一個原型的重點是, 並非人人都搬到城市中,
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10 million new crew in our state of California.
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只是緊實的發展,即我們 以前所謂的有軌電車郊區,
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And one was sprawl.
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02:41
It's just more of the same: shopping malls, subdivisions,
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走得到的鄰里,低樓層,
但卻是多用途的整合環境。
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office parks.
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The other one was dominated by, not everybody moving to the city,
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而結果十分驚人。
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but just compact development,
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驚人的原因不只是因為
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what we used to think of as streetcar suburbs,
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把城市建設習慣 做一點小轉變就能帶來
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walkable neighborhoods,
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low-rise, but integrated, mixed-used environments.
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這麼大的差異,
也是因為每個鄰里都代表 一個特殊的利益團體,
03:00
And the results are astounding.
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They're astounding not just for the scale of the difference
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這些特殊利益團體以往倡導 他們關心的議題時必須要
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of this one shift in our city-making habit
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一個一個來。
它們以往沒有看見
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but also because each one represents a special interest group,
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我所謂都市形式的「共同利益」:
讓它們可以與其他人結合。
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a special interest group that used to advocate for their concerns
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比如,土地消耗,
環保人士非常關心這個議題,
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one at a time.
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They did not see the, what I call, "co-benefits" of urban form
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農民也很關心;
有各種人,當然,還有希望 附近有開放空間的鄰里團體。
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that allows them to join with others.
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So, land consumption:
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蔓延版的加州
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environmentalists are really concerned about this,
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會讓都市實體足跡變成近兩倍。
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so are farmers;
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there's a whole range of people,
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溫室氣體:大量減少,
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and, of course, neighborhood groups that want open space nearby.
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因為加州最大的碳排放來源是汽車,
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The sprawl version of California
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almost doubles the urban physical footprint.
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不那麼仰賴汽車的城市
很明顯能大大減少溫室氣體。
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Greenhouse gas: tremendous savings,
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because in California, our biggest carbon emission comes from cars,
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車輛行駛里程數: 這就是我剛才談的。
只要把每戶每年的平均 哩程數減少一萬哩,
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and cities that don't depend on cars as much
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obviously create huge savings.
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原本每戶有兩萬六千五百哩左右,
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Vehicle miles traveled: that's what I was just talking about.
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不僅對空氣品質和碳 會有很大的影響,
04:06
Just reducing the average 10,000 miles per household per year,
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也會影響到家庭經濟狀況。
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from somewhere in the mid-26,000 per household,
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開那麼多哩程數是很昂貴的,
我們已經發現,
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has a huge impact not just on air quality and carbon
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中產階級要維持生活都很辛苦。
健康照護:我們先前談過 破壞之後要如何修復——
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but also on the household pocketbook.
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It's very expensive to drive that much,
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把空氣清乾淨。
為什麼不停止污染?
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and as we've seen,
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為什麼不多用步行或騎單車?
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the middle class is struggling to hold on.
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我們想要打造的城市就這個功能。
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Health care: we were talking about how do you fix it once we broke it --
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家庭開銷:
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clean the air.
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Why not just stop polluting?
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2008 年是標誌性的一年,
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Why not just use our feet and bikes more?
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不只是金融業大亂,
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And that's a function of the kinds of cities that we shape.
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還有我們試圖銷售太多不對的住房:
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Household costs:
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大面積、單一家庭、距離遠,
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2008 was a mark in time,
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not of just the financial industry running amok.
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昂貴到一般中產家庭無法負擔,
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It was that we were trying to sell too many of the wrong kind of housing:
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且,老實說,也不再 符合他們的生活方式。
但,為了清庫存,
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large lot, single family, distant,
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你可以在資金上 打個折扣就把它賣掉。
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too expensive for the average middle-class family to afford
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我想現實很多情況就是如此。
把成本降低一萬美金——
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and, quite frankly, not a good fit to their lifestyle anymore.
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別忘了,在加州, 中位數是五萬美金——
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But in order to move inventory,
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一萬是很高的比例。
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you can discount the financing and get it sold.
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那只是汽車和水電瓦斯的成本。
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I think that's a lot of what happened.
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所以,提倡可負擔住房的人, 通常都待在他們的地窖裡,
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Reducing cost by 10,000 dollars --
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接觸不到環保人士, 接觸不到政治人物,
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remember, in California the median is 50,000 --
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this is a big element.
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That's just cars and utility costs.
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每個人都在和每個人爭吵,
他們也開始看見共同目標了,
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So the affordable housing advocates, who often sit off in their silos
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我認為,其實是 共同目標帶來了改變。
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separate from the environmentalists, separate from the politicians,
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這些努力的成果包括洛杉磯
現在決定要將該城市做轉變,
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everybody fighting with everyone,
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now begin to see common cause,
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成為更運輸導向的環境。
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and I think the common cause is what really brings about the change.
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事實上,從 2008 年起,
他們已經透過選票投入 四千億美金在運輸公債上,
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Los Angeles, as a result of these efforts,
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has now decided to transform itself
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新高速公路則一毛錢都沒有。
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into a more transit-oriented environment.
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好個轉變:
洛杉磯成了步行和運輸的城市,
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As a matter of fact, since '08,
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they've voted in 400 billion dollars of bonds for transit
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而不是汽車的城市。 (掌聲)
這是怎麼發生的?
把最沒有人要的土地,帶狀區域,
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and zero dollars for new highways.
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在有空間的地方加上運輸,
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What a transformation:
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接著再填入
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LA becomes a city of walkers and transit,
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混合用途的開發,
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not a city of cars.
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能滿足新的住房需求,
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(Applause)
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How does it happen?
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讓它附近既有的鄰里
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You take the least desirable land, the strip,
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變得更複雜,更有趣,更適合行走。
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you add where there's space, transit
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and then you infill mixed-use development,
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以下是另一種蔓延:
中國,高密度蔓延, 高密度和蔓延聽起來很矛盾,
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you satisfy new housing demands
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and you make the existing neighborhoods
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但,同樣的問題, 車輛禁行區隔開了一切,
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all around it more complex,
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more interesting, more walkable.
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當然,還有剛才談過的驚人霧霾。
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Here's another kind of sprawl:
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中現在國把 GDP 的 12%
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China, high-density sprawl, what you think of as an oxymoron,
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花在霧霾對健康的影響上。
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but the same problems, everything isolated in superblocks,
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當然,和其他地方一樣, 中國城市的歷史很健全。
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and of course this amazing smog that was just spoken to.
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社區的重點是小型的當地商店、
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Twelve percent of GDP in China now is spent
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當地的服務、步行、
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on the health impacts of that.
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和鄰居互動。
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The history, of course, of Chinese cities is robust.
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聽起來可能像空想,但並不然。 那其實是人民真正想要的。
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It's like any other place.
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新的車輛禁行區——
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Community was all about small, local shops
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這些禁行區中有五千個單位,
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and local services and walking, interacting with your neighbors.
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它們通通都有門禁, 因為大家彼此不認識。
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It may sound utopian, but it's not.
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當然,那裡甚至沒有人行道,
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It's actually what people really want.
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The new superblocks --
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沒有一樓的店面—— 非常枯燥的環境。
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these are blocks that would have 5,000 units in them,
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我在其中一個車輛禁行區中 找到這個例子,
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and they're gated as well, because nobody knows anybody else.
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這裡有人違法在 自家車庫中開設商店,
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And of course, there isn't even a sidewalk, no ground floor shops --
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這樣他們才能有那種當地服務經濟。
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a very sterile environment.
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I found this one case here in one of the superblocks
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大家已經有慾望想要把它做對。
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where people had illicitly set up shops in their garages
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我們只需要找規劃師和政治人物。
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so that they could have that kind of local service economy.
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好,接下來的部分和規劃技術有關。
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The desire of people to get it right is there.
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重慶市有三千萬人口。
幾乎和加州一樣大。
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We just have to get the planners on board and the politicians.
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這是一塊小型成長區。
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All right. Some technical planning stuff.
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他們希望我們去測試
中國數個城市有哪些 蔓延的替代方案。
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Chongqing is a city of 30 million people.
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這是位四千五百萬人口設計的。
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It's almost as big as California.
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This is a small growth area.
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這張圖要傳遞的訊息是:
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They wanted us to test the alternative to sprawl
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圖上的每一個圓圈都是運輸站 周圍步行可及的範圍——
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in several cities across China.
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大量投資地鐵和巴士捷運系統,
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This is for four-and-a-half million people.
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且分佈的方式能讓每個人
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What the takeaway from this image is,
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都能步行到運輸站乘車去上班。
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every one of those circles is a walking radius
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紅色的區域,把它放大來看。
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around a transit station --
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突然間,我們的原則 帶來了綠色空間,
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massive investment in metro and BRT,
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保存了重要的生態特色。
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and a distribution that allows everybody
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to work within walking distance of that.
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那裡的其他街道都是無車街道。
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The red area, this is a blow-up.
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所以,不是推土機鏟平這個地點,
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All of a sudden, our principles called for green space
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preserving the important ecological features.
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在河流上建設,
這種綠色優勢在中國真的不常見,
08:24
And then those other streets in there are auto-free streets.
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直到這些實做計畫
08:29
So instead of bulldozing, leveling the site
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在這裡開始進行實驗。
08:32
and building right up to the river,
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都市紋理(面貌),小型街區, 也許每個街區五百個家庭。
08:35
this green edge was something that really wasn't normative in China
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他們認識彼此。
街道周邊有商店,
08:39
until these set of practices
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08:41
began experimentation there.
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所以有當地的地方可以前往。
而街道本身變小,因為數量變多了。
08:44
The urban fabric, small blocks,
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maybe 500 families per block.
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非常簡單,
直接的都市設計。
08:49
They know each other.
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08:50
The street perimeter has shops
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這是我個人的最愛。
08:53
so there's local destinations.
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想想這邏輯。
08:55
And the streets themselves become smaller,
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如果只有三分之一的人有車,
08:57
because there are more of them.
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為什麼要把所有的街道都給汽車用?
08:59
Very simple,
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09:00
straightforward urban design.
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如果我們把 70% 的街道
09:03
Now, here you have something I dearly love.
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09:06
Think of the logic.
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給其他人使用,禁行汽車,
09:08
If only a third of the people have cars,
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讓他們的通路很順暢,
09:10
why do we give 100 percent of our streets to cars?
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他們能夠步行,能騎單車。
為什麼不——
09:14
What if we gave 70 percent of the streets
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(掌聲)
在我們的循環系統中 納入地理上的公平?
09:17
to car-free, to everybody else,
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09:20
so that the transit could move well for them,
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坦白說,城市會運行得更好。
09:22
so that they could walk, so they could bike?
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09:24
Why not have --
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不論他們怎麼做,不論他們 在北京建造多少環形道路,
09:26
(Applause)
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09:27
geographic equity
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他們就是無法克服 交通完全阻塞的問題。
09:29
in our circulation system?
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這是一條無車街道, 路邊做混合用途。
09:32
And quite frankly, cities would function better.
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正下向有運輸系統在運行。
09:36
No matter what they do,
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no matter how many ring roads they build in Beijing,
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我很樂意把下方的運輸 設計為無人駕駛車,但,
09:40
they just can't overcome complete gridlock.
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也許後續有機會再來談。
09:43
So this is an auto-free street, mixed use along the edge.
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所以有七項原則現在已經被
09:47
It has transit running down the middle.
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中國政府的最高階級採納,
09:49
I'm happy to make that transit autonomous vehicles,
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且他們正在準備實施。
這些原則很簡單, 且我想都是全球通用的。
09:52
but maybe I'll have a chance to talk about that later.
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09:55
So there are seven principles that have now been adopted
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第一,保存自然環境、
歷史,以及重要的農業。
09:59
by the highest levels in the Chinese government,
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and they're moving to implement them.
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第二,混合。
10:03
And they're simple,
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常聽到的是混合用途, 但我說的混合,
10:04
and they are globally, I think, universal principles.
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我指的是混合收入、混合年齡層,
10:07
One is to preserve the natural environment, the history
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以及混合土地用途。
10:11
and the critical agriculture.
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步行。沒有很棒的城市 會讓你不享受在市內步行的。
10:14
Second is mix.
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10:15
Mixed use is popular, but when I say mixed,
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你不會去那種地方。
你會選擇的渡假地 會是你能步行的地方。
10:18
I mean mixed incomes, mixed age groups
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10:20
as well as mixed-land use.
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為什麼不讓處處都能步行?
單車是我們所知 最有效率的交通工具。
10:24
Walk.
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10:25
There's no great city that you don't enjoy walking in.
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中國現在實施的政策是在每條街道上
10:28
You don't go there.
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10:29
The places you go on vacation are places you can walk.
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都規劃六公尺的單車道。
他們很認真地想要找回 人人騎單車的歷史。
10:32
Why not make it everywhere?
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10:34
Bike is the most efficient means of transportation we know.
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(掌聲)
這是個複雜的規劃師用語:連結。
10:38
China has now adopted policies that put six meters of bike lane
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它是一種街道網路,
10:42
on every street.
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會有多條路線,不只一條,
10:43
They're serious about getting back to their biking history.
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且提供多種類型的街道,不只一種。
10:47
(Applause)
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10:48
Complicated planner-ese here:
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交通工具。
10:51
connect.
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我們得在運輸上投資更多。
10:52
It's a street network that allows many routes
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沒有萬靈丹。
10:56
instead of singular routes
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自動駕駛車輛無法 為我們解決這個問題。
10:57
and provides many kinds of streets instead of just one.
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事實上,它們會產生更多
11:02
Ride.
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交通流量和車輛行駛哩程, 比其他替代方案更多。
11:03
We have to invest more in transit.
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焦點。
11:06
There's no silver bullet.
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城市階層的基礎是運輸
11:08
Autonomous vehicles are not going to solve this for us.
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11:11
As a matter of fact, they're going to generate more traffic, more VMT,
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而不是舊式的高速幹道架構。
這是很重大的範式轉變,
11:16
than the alternative.
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11:17
And focus.
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但這兩者必須要設法重新連結起來,
11:18
We have a hierarchy of the city based on transit
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且要真正能夠形塑出城市的結構。
11:23
rather than the old armature of freeways.
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所以,我抱持很大的希望。
11:26
It's a big paradigm shift,
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在加州、美國、中國——
11:29
but those two things have to get reconnected
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這些改變的被接受度很高。
11:31
in ways that really shape the structure of the city.
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我抱持希望的原因有二。
第一,大部分人能懂。
11:37
So I'm very hopeful.
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他們了解,好的城市在本質上 能夠/應該是什麼樣子的。
11:39
In California, the United States, China -- these changes are well accepted.
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第二個原因是,
我們現在能夠運用的分析
11:44
I'm hopeful for two reasons.
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11:46
One is, most people get it.
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讓大家能把拼圖拼起來,
11:49
They understand intrinsically
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讓大家能形成過去 不存在的政治聯盟,
11:50
what a great city can and should be.
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11:53
The second is that the kind of analysis we can bring to bear now
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這讓他們能夠實現出 大家都需要的那種社區。
11:58
allows people to connect the dots,
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謝謝。
(掌聲)
12:01
allows people to shape political coalitions
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12:04
that didn't exist in the past.
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12:06
That allows them to bring into being the kinds of communities we all need.
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克里斯·安德森:所以,好,
自動駕駛汽車, 這裡許多人都很期待它們。
12:10
Thank you.
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12:11
(Applause)
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你對它們的顧慮是什麼?
彼得·卡爾索普:我想, 熱度有點太過了。
12:19
Chris Anderson: So, OK: autonomous driving, self-driving cars.
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首先,大家都說我們 將可以擺脫很多汽車。
12:23
A lot of people here are very excited about them.
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他們沒有說的是,車輛哩程會大增。
12:27
What are your concerns or issues about them?
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會有更多車輛在街道上移動。
12:30
Peter Calthorpe: Well, I think there's almost too much hype here.
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交通會更擁擠。
克:因為很吸引人——
12:33
First is, everybody says we're going to get rid of a lot of cars.
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你可以邊開車邊閱讀或睡覺。
12:37
What they don't say is you're going to get a lot more vehicle miles.
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彼:有好幾個理由。 第一,如果它們是私有的。
12:40
You're going to get a lot more cars moving on streets.
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大家會行駛的距離會更長。
12:42
There will be more congestion.
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蔓延又會復活。如果你在 去工作的路上就可以工作,
12:44
CA: Because they're so appealing --
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你可以住在更偏遠的地方。
12:47
you can drive while reading or sleeping.
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蔓延又會以我十分害怕的方式再現。
12:49
PC: Well, a couple of reasons.
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12:50
One is, if they're privately owned, people will travel greater distances.
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計程車:
12:54
It'll be a new lease on life to sprawl.
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約有 50% 的調查指出 大家不願共享計程車。
12:56
If you can work on your way to work,
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you can live in more remote locations.
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如果不願共享,
13:00
It'll revitalize sprawl
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結果可能會是 車輛行駛哩程增加 90%。
13:03
in a way that I'm deeply frightened.
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13:05
Taxis:
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如果可以共享,
13:07
about 50 percent of the surveys say that people won't share them.
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車輛行駛哩程仍會增加 30%。
13:11
If they don't share them,
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克:共享的意思是用智慧的 方式讓許多人同時搭乘——
13:12
you can end up with a 90 percent increase in vehicle miles traveled.
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彼:是的,就像沒有 方向盤的優步共享。
13:18
If you share them,
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現實是,提升車輛的效率——
13:19
you're still at around a 30 percent increase in VMT.
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不論有沒有方向盤 都可以去做,無所謂。
13:23
CA: Sharing them, meaning having multiple people riding at once
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他們聲稱這是唯一高電效率的 方式,但事實不是如此。
13:26
in some sort of intelligent ride-sharing?
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13:28
PC: Yeah, so the Uber share without a steering wheel.
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真正的情況是,步行、 騎單車、大眾運輸
13:30
The reality is, the efficiency of vehicles -- you can do it
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才能讓城市和社區繁榮。
13:34
with or without a steering wheel, it doesn't matter.
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把人放到他們的私人泡泡裡,
13:37
They claim they're the only ones that are going to be efficient electric,
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不論有沒有方向盤,
13:40
but that's not true.
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13:42
But the real bottom line is that walking, biking and transit
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是錯的方向。老實說,
自動駕駛汽車前往麥當勞取餐,
13:45
are the way cities and communities thrive.
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13:48
And putting people in their private bubbles,
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車上沒有駕駛人,
13:51
whether they have a steering wheel or not,
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就只是被指派去完成隨機的差事,
13:53
is the wrong direction.
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13:55
And quite frankly,
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這影像讓我很害怕。
13:56
the image of an AV on its way to McDonald's to pick up a pack
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克:謝謝你的說明,你剛才 分享那些混合用途街道的圖像,
非常鼓舞人心,非常美麗。謝謝你。
14:02
without its owner,
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14:04
just being sent off on these kind of random errands
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彼:謝謝你。
(掌聲)
14:07
is really frightening to me.
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14:09
CA: Well, thank you for that, and I have to say, the images you showed
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14:12
of those mixed-use streets were really inspiring, really beautiful.
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14:15
PC: Thank you. CA: Thank you for your work.
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14:18
(Applause)
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