Why civilians suffer more once a war is over | Margaret Bourdeaux

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譯者: David Hsu 審譯者: Winston Szeto
00:12
So have you ever wondered what it would be like
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請問你有曾想過,
生活在一個不受管制的地方 是怎樣感覺嗎?
00:15
to live in a place with no rules?
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00:19
That sounds pretty cool.
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聽來是蠻酷的。
00:20
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:21
You wake up one morning, however,
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可是,大早醒來後,
00:23
and you discover that the reason there are no rules
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你發現沒有管制的原因
卻是因為已沒有政府了, 而且也沒有任何法律了,
00:26
is because there's no government, and there are no laws.
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00:29
In fact, all social institutions have disappeared.
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甚至一切社會體制都不存在了:
00:34
So there's no schools,
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沒有學校,
00:36
there's no hospitals,
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沒有醫院,
00:37
there's no police,
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沒有警察,
00:38
there's no banks,
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沒有銀行,
00:39
there's no athletic clubs,
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沒有健身會所,
00:42
there's no utilities.
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沒有水電等供應。
00:44
Well, I know a little bit about what this is like,
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我倒是知道這是什麼的感覺。
00:47
because when I was a medical student in 1999,
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因為在 1999 年, 我為醫學院學生時,
00:50
I worked in a refugee camp in the Balkans during the Kosovo War.
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在科索沃戰爭中,曾在巴爾幹的 一個難民收留中心工作。
00:56
When the war was over,
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當戰爭結束後,
00:58
I got permission -- unbelievably -- from my medical school
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難以置信, 我居然獲得醫學院的允許,
01:01
to take some time off
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拿到假期,
01:02
and follow some of the families that I had befriended in the camp
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跟著我在營地結識的一些家庭,
01:06
back to their village in Kosovo,
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回到他們在科索沃的家鄉。
01:08
and understand how they navigated life in this postwar setting.
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去觀察他們在戰火後, 是如何作生活的安排。
01:16
Postwar Kosovo was a very interesting place
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戰後的科索沃 是一個非常有趣的地方,
01:19
because NATO troops were there,
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因為有北約部隊在那裡,
01:22
mostly to make sure the war didn't break out again.
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目的是為了確保戰爭 不會再度爆發。
01:26
But other than that, it was actually a lawless place,
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但除此之外,科索沃實際上已是 一個無法無天的地方,
01:29
and almost every social institution, both public and private,
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而且幾乎所有的社會體制, 不論是公營或私營,
01:33
had been destroyed.
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都已被毀掉了。
01:35
So I can tell you
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所以我可以告訴你,
01:39
that when you go into one of these situations and settings,
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當你置身在這種情況和環境中,
01:43
it is absolutely thrilling ...
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它是會令你絕對毛骨悚然......
01:47
for about 30 minutes,
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長達 30 分鐘左右,
01:49
because that's about how long it takes before you run into a situation
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因為這就是發現自己 是何等的脆弱,所需要的時間。
01:53
where you realize how incredibly vulnerable you are.
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01:59
For me, that moment came when I had to cross the first checkpoint,
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個人來說,那一刻發生在當我要 通過第一個檢查站時,
02:03
and I realized as I drove up
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當車子開近時,我就意識到
02:05
that I would be negotiating passage through this checkpoint
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我必須跟一名全副武裝的人討價還價
02:09
with a heavily armed individual
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才能通過這個檢查點;
02:11
who, if he decided to shoot me right then and there,
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如他想在此時此地把我射殺的話,
02:14
actually wouldn't be doing anything illegal.
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也是完全合法之事。
02:18
But the sense of vulnerability that I had was absolutely nothing
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但當時我體會到的脆弱感, 是絲毫比不上
02:23
in comparison to the vulnerability of the families that I got to know
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我將在未來一年認識的家庭
02:27
over that year.
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所體會的脆弱感。
02:29
You see, life in a society where there are no social institutions
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你要明白,生活在一個沒有 任何社會體制的社會裡,
02:34
is riddled with danger and uncertainty,
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是充滿危險和不確定性的。
02:37
and simple questions like, "What are we going to eat tonight?"
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甚至一個簡單的問題, 像「今晚我們要吃什麼呢?」
02:42
are very complicated to answer.
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要回答也很複雜了。
02:46
Questions about security, when you don't have any security systems,
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至於安全問題, 當你沒有任何保安系統時,
02:50
are terrifying.
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是非常可怕的。
02:52
Is that altercation I had with the neighbor down the block
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我與街頭那邊的鄰居吵得面紅耳赤,
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going to turn into a violent episode that will end my life
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會不會演變成暴力事件, 終結我的生命
02:58
or my family's life?
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或我家人的生命呢?
02:59
Health concerns when there is no health system
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沒有衛生系統時,健康問題
03:02
are also terrifying.
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也是非常可怕的。
03:05
I listened as many families had to sort through questions like,
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我聽到很多家庭必須解決這類問題:
03:08
"My infant has a fever. What am I going to do?"
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「我的嬰兒在發燒。我該怎麼辦?」
03:12
"My sister, who is pregnant, is bleeding. What should I do?
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「我懷孕的姐姐正在出血, 我該怎麼辦?
03:15
Who should I turn to?"
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我該去找誰呢?」
03:17
"Where are the doctors, where are the nurses?
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「醫生在哪裡?護士在哪裡?」
03:19
If I could find one, are they trustworthy?
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如果我能找到一位,會可靠嗎?
03:22
How will I pay them? In what currency will I pay them?"
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我該怎麼付錢? 我要用哪國貨幣支付?」
03:24
"If I need medications, where will I find them?
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「如果我需要藥物, 我在哪裡可以找到?
03:28
If I take those medications, are they actually counterfeits?"
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如果我服用了這些藥物, 它會是假冒的嗎?」
03:31
And on and on.
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連綿不斷的問題。
03:34
So for life in these settings,
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所以在這環境之下生活,
03:37
the dominant theme, the dominant feature of life,
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生活的主要特徵,
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is the incredible vulnerability that people have to manage
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就是人民日以繼夜要懂得掌控
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day in and day out,
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這難以置信的脆弱感,
03:47
because of the lack of social systems.
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起因就是缺乏社會制度。
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And it actually turns out
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原來,
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that this feature of life is incredibly difficult to explain
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這生活特徵是很難解釋的,
03:55
and be understood by people who are living outside of it.
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難以得到身置其外的人理解的。
03:59
I discovered this when I left Kosovo.
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當我離開科索沃時, 我才發現這一點。
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I came back to Boston, I became a physician,
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我回到了波士頓,我成了一名醫生,
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I became a global public health policy researcher.
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我成了一名 環球公共衞生政策研究員。
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I joined the Harvard Medical School
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我加入了哈佛醫學院
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and Brigham and Women's Hospital Division of Global Health.
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和布萊根婦女醫院的全球衞生部門。
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And I, as a researcher,
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我作為研究員,
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really wanted to get started on this problem right away.
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真的很想立即就研究這問題。
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I was like, "How do we reduce the crushing vulnerability
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我在想: 「對生活在這種匱乏環境的人,
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of people living in these types of fragile settings?
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我們如何能減少 這令人窒息的脆弱感?
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Is there any way we can start to think about
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我們可以開始思考用什麼方法
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how to protect and quickly recover
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去保護和迅速恢復
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the institutions that are critical to survival,
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這些對生存至關重要的體制,
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like the health system?"
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像醫療衞生系統?」
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And I have to say, I had amazing colleagues.
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我不得不說,我有了不起的同事,
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But one interesting thing about it was,
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但有一件有趣的事情是:
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this was sort of an unusual question for them.
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對他們來說, 這是一種不尋常的問題。
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They were kind of like, "Oh, if you work in war,
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他們的反應是: 「哦,你在戰場中工作,
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doesn't that mean you work on refugee camps,
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那是不是你是在難民營工作?
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and you work on documenting mass atrocities?" --
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在記錄戰爭暴行?」
04:51
which is, by the way, very, very, very important.
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順帶一提,這些工作都是非常重要。
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So it took me a while to explain why I was so passionate about this issue,
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所以我必得花上一段時間來解釋 我為什麼對這個問題那麼熱衷,
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until about six years ago.
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直至大約六年前。
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That's when this landmark study
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當時這份重點研究被發表,
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that looked at and described the public health consequences of war
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內容是探討和描述戰爭對公共衞生
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was published.
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所帶來的後果。
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They came to an incredible, provocative conclusion.
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研究人員作出一個 意想不到的驚世結論:
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These researchers concluded
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這些研究人員的結論
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that the vast majority of death and disability from war
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就是絕大多數因戰爭 死亡和殘疾的事情
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happens after the cessation of conflict.
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是發生在衝突停止之後。
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So the most dangerous time to be a person living in a conflict-affected state
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所以活在受衝突影響的國家中 最危險的時候,
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is after the cessation of hostilities;
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是在敵對行動停止之後;
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it's after the peace deal has been signed.
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是在和平協議簽署之後;
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It's when that political solution has been achieved.
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是在政治解決方案已經實現之後。
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That seems so puzzling, but of course it's not,
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這表面看來令人費解,但當然不是,
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because war kills people by robbing them of their clinics,
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因為戰爭之所以殺人, 是因為它摧毀了診所,
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of their hospitals,
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摧毀了醫院,
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of their supply chains.
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摧毀了供應鏈。
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Their doctors are targeted, are killed; they're on the run.
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醫生們被狙擊、殺害,以至逃命。
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And more invisible and yet more deadly is the destruction
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而且雖無形但更致命的,
就是衞生管治體制及其財政崩潰。
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of the health governance institutions and their finances.
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06:00
So this is really not surprising at all to me.
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我對這些並不驚訝,
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But what is surprising and somewhat dismaying,
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但令我驚訝和有一點沮喪的是:
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is how little impact this insight has had,
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從這份研究得出的見解,
只能稍微改變 我們對人類苦難和戰爭的看法。
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in terms of how we think about human suffering and war.
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06:16
Let me give you a couple examples.
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讓我給你幾個例子。
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Last year, you may remember,
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你可能會記得去年
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Ebola hit the West African country of Liberia.
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伊波拉病毒侵襲西非國家賴比瑞亞。
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There was a lot of reporting about this group, Doctors Without Borders,
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當時有很多關於 無國界醫生這個組織的報導,
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sounding the alarm and calling for aid and assistance.
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叫人提高警覺並呼籲作出援助。
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But not a lot of that reporting answered the question:
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但沒有很多報導解答到這個問題:
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Why is Doctors Without Borders even in Liberia?
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為什麼無國界醫生會在賴比瑞亞呢?
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Doctors Without Borders is an amazing organization,
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無國界醫生是一個令人敬佩的組織,
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dedicated and designed to provide emergency care in war zones.
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盡心盡力在戰區提供緊急護理。
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Liberia's civil war had ended in 2003 --
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賴比瑞亞的內戰在 2003 年已結束,
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that was 11 years before Ebola even struck.
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亦是伊波拉病毒爆發的 11 年前。
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When Ebola struck Liberia,
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當伊波拉病毒衝擊賴比瑞亞時,
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there were less than 50 doctors in the entire country
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在全國 450 萬人口之中, 醫生不到 50 名。
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of 4.5 million people.
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07:02
Doctors Without Borders is in Liberia
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無國界醫生駐守在賴比瑞亞,
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because Liberia still doesn't really have a functioning health system,
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是因為賴比瑞亞依然沒有 一個能運作的醫療系統,
在 11 年後仍沒有。
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11 years later.
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When the earthquake hit Haiti in 2010,
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在 2010 年,地震衝擊海地後,
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the outpouring of international aid was phenomenal.
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來自國際社會的援助排山倒海。
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But did you know that only two percent of that funding
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但你知不知道國際社會 捐款中只有 2%
07:20
went to rebuild Haitian public institutions,
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用去重建海地的公共體制,
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including its health sector?
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包括衞生部門?
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From that perspective,
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從這個角度看,
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Haitians continue to die from the earthquake even today.
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海地人民可謂到了今天 還因地震而繼續死亡。
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I recently met this gentleman.
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我最近認識了這位先生,
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This is Dr. Nezar Ismet.
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他是尼薩‧伊斯密特醫生。
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He's the Minister of Health in the northern autonomous region of Iraq,
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他是伊拉克北部自治區庫爾德斯坦的
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in Kurdistan.
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衞生部長。
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Here he is announcing that in the last nine months,
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他正在宣佈在過去九個月中,
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his country, his region, has increased from four million people
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他所屬地區的人口從 400 萬
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to five million people.
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增加到 500 萬。
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That's a 25 percent increase.
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這是增加 25% 之多。
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Thousands of these new arrivals have experienced incredible trauma.
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這些數以千計的新移民 經歷了難言的創傷。
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His doctors are working 16-hour days without pay.
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他轄下的醫生們 每天無薪的工作 16 小時。
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His budget has not increased by 25 percent;
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可是他的財政預算 並沒有增加 25 %,
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it has decreased by 20 percent,
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而是減少了 20%。
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as funding has flowed to security concerns and to short-term relief efforts.
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因為撥款已調去應付保安問題 和短期救援工作。
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When his health sector fails --
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所以當他的衞生部門崩潰時—
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and if history is any guide, it will --
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如果歷史有任何預告能力, 它是一定會的——
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how do you think that's going to influence
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你覺得這會怎樣影響
08:19
the decision making of the five million people in his region
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當地 500 萬居民的決定呢?
08:22
as they think about whether they should flee
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他們正在考量是否應該逃跑,
08:25
that type of vulnerable living situation?
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離開這危機重重的生活環境。
08:29
So as you can see, this is a frustrating topic for me,
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所以你可以看到, 這是個令我沮喪的議題。
08:32
and I really try to understand:
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我很用心去嘗試理解:
08:34
Why the reluctance to protect and support
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大家為什麼不願意維護和支持
08:37
indigenous health systems and security systems?
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本土的衞生和保安系統呢?
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I usually tier two concerns, two arguments.
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我常聽到兩個關注點或論點。
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The first concern is about corruption,
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第一個關注點是貪污:
08:46
and the concern that people in these settings are corrupt
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在這些系統工作的人都是腐敗的,
08:49
and they are untrustworthy.
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都是不可信的。
08:52
And I will admit that I have met unsavory characters
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我承認我是有見過品德不良的人物,
08:55
working in health sectors in these situations.
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在這種情況下之衞生部門工作。
08:57
But I will tell you that the opposite is absolutely true
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但我也可告訴你, 相反的也是絕對有的,
09:01
in every case I have worked on,
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在我有參與的每一個案件中都有——
09:03
from Afghanistan to Libya, to Kosovo, to Haiti, to Liberia --
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從阿富汗到利比亞、到科索沃、 到海地、到賴比瑞亞——
09:07
I have met inspiring people,
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我都遇到鼓舞人心的人,
09:09
who, when the chips were down for their country,
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他們都在國家存亡的一刻,
09:11
they risked everything to save their health institutions.
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冒著一切風險來 挽救他們的衞生體制。
09:15
The trick for the outsider who wants to help
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所以,對真心想幫忙的局外人來說,
09:18
is identifying who those individuals are,
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難題是如何識別這些人,
09:21
and building a pathway for them to lead.
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並建立渠道讓他們走上領導位置。
09:23
That is exactly what happened in Afghanistan.
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這也正是在阿富汗能做到的。
09:27
One of the unsung and untold success stories
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我們在阿富汗國家建設上付出的努力
09:30
of our nation-building effort in Afghanistan
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其中一個無聲無聞的成功故事,
09:33
involved the World Bank in 2002 investing heavily
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就是世界銀行在 2002 年 投放大量資金
09:37
in identifying, training and promoting Afghani health sector leaders.
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去發掘、培訓和提拔 阿富汗的衞生部門領袖。
09:43
These health sector leaders have pulled off an incredible feat
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這些衞生部門領袖在阿富汗
排除萬難完成壯舉。
09:47
in Afghanistan.
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09:49
They have aggressively increased access to health care
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他們積極增加醫療服務
讓大部分人口可以使用。
09:53
for the majority of the population.
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09:55
They are rapidly improving the health status
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他們正在迅速改善
阿富汗人口的健康狀況,
09:57
of the Afghan population,
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09:58
which used to be the worst in the world.
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而它曾經是世界上最糟糕的。
10:01
In fact, the Afghan Ministry of Health does things
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事實上,阿富汗衞生部所做的事
10:04
that I wish we would do in America.
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是我希望我們也能在美國做到的。
10:06
They use things like data to make policy.
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他們用數據資料來製定政策。
10:08
It's incredible.
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簡直不可思議。
10:09
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:12
The other concern I hear a lot about is:
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我經常聽到的另外一個關注點是:
10:14
"We just can't afford it, we just don't have the money.
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「我們負擔不起,我們真的沒錢。
10:16
It's just unsustainable."
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這是不可能持續的。」
10:19
I would submit to you that the current situation
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但讓我告訴你:我們現有的情況
10:21
and the current system we have
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和我們現有的制度
10:23
is the most expensive, inefficient system we could possibly conceive of.
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是我們可以想像 最昂貴、效率最低的制度。
10:27
The current situation is that when governments like the US --
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目前的情況是美國等多國政府——
10:31
or, let's say, the collection of governments
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或者說組成歐盟委員會的
10:33
that make up the European Commission --
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一眾成員國政府——
10:35
every year, they spend 15 billion dollars
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每年就要花費 150 億美元
10:37
on just humanitarian and emergency and disaster relief worldwide.
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在全球的人道、緊急和災難救援上。
10:41
That's nothing about foreign aid, that's just disaster relief.
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這數字不包括外援,只是賑災而已。
10:45
Ninety-five percent of it goes to international relief agencies,
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這費用 95% 給了國際救援機構,
10:50
that then have to import resources into these areas,
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然後他們必須把資源引進這些地區,
10:55
and knit together some type of temporary health system, let's say,
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並且拼湊一個臨時衞生系統,
10:59
which they then dismantle and send away when they run out of money.
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錢用光後就要把它瓦解, 把人員遣散。
11:04
So our job, it turns out, is very clear.
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所以我們的工作原來是非常清楚的。
11:09
We, as the global health community policy experts,
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我們作為全球衞生政策專家,
11:13
our first job is to become experts in how to monitor
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首要工作就是要專注監控
在政局不定環境下,衞生部門的
11:19
the strengths and vulnerabilities of health systems
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11:21
in threatened situations.
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各個強項和弱項。
11:24
And that's when we see doctors fleeing,
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當我們看到醫生逃跑時,
11:26
when we see health resources drying up,
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當我們看到衞生資源枯竭時,
11:28
when we see institutions crumbling --
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當我們看到體制崩潰時,
11:30
that's the emergency.
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這就是緊急情況。
11:32
That's when we need to sound the alarm and wave our arms.
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這就是我們需要發出警報 並揮手求救之時。
11:35
OK?
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行嗎?
11:37
Not now.
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還等什麼?
11:38
Everyone can see that's an emergency, they don't need us to tell them that.
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大家都可以看到這是緊急情況, 他們不需要我們告訴他們吧。
11:42
Number two:
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第二點:
11:44
places like where I work at Harvard need to take their cue
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我在哈佛任職的機構和類似機構
需要從世界銀行 在阿富汗的經驗中學習,
11:48
from the World Bank experience in Afghanistan,
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11:50
and we need to -- and we will --
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我們需要並將會
11:52
build robust platforms to support health sector leaders like these.
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建立一個強大的平台來支援 這些衞生部門領袖。
11:58
These people risk their lives.
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這些人都是冒著生命危險,
12:00
I think we can match their courage with some support.
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我們應該以行動來支持他們的勇氣。
12:04
Number three:
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第三點:
12:05
we need to reach out and make new partnerships.
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我們需要積極溝通, 並建立新的伙伴關係。
12:08
At our global health center,
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在我們的環球衞生中心,
12:09
we have launched a new initiative with NATO and other security policy makers
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我們與北約和其它安全決策者 發起了一個新舉措,
12:13
to explore with them what they can do to protect health system institutions
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與他們探討如何
在部署期間維護當地的衞生系統。
12:19
during deployments.
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12:21
We want them to see
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我們希望他們明白,
12:22
that protecting health systems and other critical social institutions
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維護當地衞生系統和 其它關鍵社會體制
12:27
is an integral part of their mission.
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是他們任務的重要一環。
12:29
It's not just about avoiding collateral damage;
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這不僅是為了避免附帶損害,
更是為了締造和平。
12:33
it's about winning the peace.
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12:36
But the most important partner we need to engage is you,
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但我們最需要的合作夥伴還是你們:
12:40
the American public, and indeed, the world public.
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美國大眾,以至世界大眾。
12:43
Because unless you understand the value of social institutions,
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除非你們能明白 社會體制的寶貴價值,
12:49
like health systems in these fragile settings,
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就像政局不穩環境下的衞生體制,
12:52
you won't support efforts to save them.
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否則你們是不會支持維護它們的。
12:55
You won't click on that article
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你不會點擊那篇文章,
12:57
that talks about "Hey, all those doctors are on the run in country X.
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它在談論,「嘿,所有這些醫生 正從某國逃命。
13:02
I wonder what that means.
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我想知道這意味什麼:
13:05
I wonder what that means
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究竟該國衞生系統
13:06
for that health system's ability to, let's say, detect influenza."
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有沒有能力檢測流行性感冒爆發?」
13:11
"Hmm, it's probably not good." That's what I'd tell you.
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「嗯,情況應該好不了那裡。」 我會這樣回答你。
13:15
Up on the screen,
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在螢幕上,
13:16
I've put up my three favorite American institution defenders and builders.
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是我最喜歡的三位捍衞和建設 社會體制的美國人。
13:23
Over here is George C. Marshall,
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在這邊是喬治·卡特萊特·馬歇爾,
13:26
he was the guy that proposed the Marshall Plan
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他就是提出馬歇爾計劃的人,
13:29
to save all of Europe's economic institutions after World War II.
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來拯救第二次世界大戰後 所有在歐洲的經濟制度。
13:34
And this Eleanor Roosevelt.
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這是愛蓮娜·羅斯福。
13:36
Her work on human rights really serves as the foundation
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她的人權工作真正為
我們所有國際人權組織奠定基礎。
13:39
for all of our international human rights organizations.
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13:43
Then my big favorite is Ben Franklin,
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這是我最喜歡的班傑明·富蘭克林,
13:45
who did many things in terms of creating institutions,
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他在創造制度方面做了很多貢獻,
13:48
but was the midwife of our constitution.
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也是我們憲法得以誕生的助產士。
13:52
And I would say to you
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我可以這麼說,
13:54
that these are folks who, when our country was threatened,
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這些人在我們國家受到威脅之時,
13:57
or our world was threatened,
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或是我們世界受到威脅之時,
13:59
they didn't retreat.
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並沒有退縮。
14:01
They didn't talk about building walls.
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他們並沒有談論建圍牆,
14:03
They talked about building institutions to protect human security,
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他們談論的是建設制度 來保障人類安全,
14:09
for their generation and also for ours.
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裨益他們那一代以至我們這一代。
14:13
And I think our generation should do the same.
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所以我們這一代也應該 做同樣的事情。
14:16
Thank you.
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謝謝。
14:17
(Applause)
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