The pharmacy of the future? Personalized pills, 3D printed at home | Daniel Kraft
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譯者: Lilian Chiu
審譯者: Yanyan Hong
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We live in a medication nation.
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我們住在藥物治療的國度。
00:16
4.5 billion drug prescriptions
will be prescribed by doctors like me
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今年,光是在美國,
像我這樣的醫生
就開出了 45 億張藥物處方。
00:21
this year, in the United States alone.
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00:23
That's 15 for every man, woman and child.
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男性、女性、小孩都算進來,
平均一人 15 張。
00:25
And for most of us,
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對我們大部分人來說,
我們對於藥物的經驗通常是
00:27
our experience with this medication
is often a confusing number of pills,
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搞不懂要吃幾顆藥、用藥指示、
00:30
instructions, side effects,
one-size-fits-all dosing,
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副作用、適用所有人的統一劑量,
00:34
which all too often
we aren't taking as prescribed.
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我們經常會不依照處方來吃藥。
00:36
And this comes at tremendous expense,
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這樣造成的代價非常大,
00:38
costing us our time,
our money and our health.
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成本是我們的時間、
我們的金錢,及我們的健康。
00:41
And in our now exponential,
connected, data-driven age,
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在這個指數成長、相互連結、
資料驅動的時代,
00:44
I think we can and we must do better.
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我認為我們可以且必須要做得更好。
00:47
So let's take a dive
at some of the challenges we have
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所以,我們來探討
一些我們面臨的困難
00:51
and some potential solutions.
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以及一些可能的解決方案。
00:54
Let's start with the fact
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咱們先來談一項事實:
00:55
that many drugs don't work
for those who are prescribed them.
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許多藥物對於拿到
處方的人並不見得有用。
00:58
The top 10 grossing drugs
in the United States this year,
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今年,美國總量排名前十名的藥物,
01:03
they only benefit one in four
to one in 23 of who take them.
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只對 1/4 到 1/23 的用藥者有效。
01:06
That's great if you're number one,
but what about everybody else?
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如果剛好對你有效,那很好,
但其他人怎麼辦?
01:11
And what's worse, drugs,
when they sometimes don't work,
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更糟糕的是,藥物即使沒有效用,
有時仍然會引發副作用。
01:14
can still cause side effects.
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01:15
Take aspirin -- about one in four of us
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比如,阿斯匹靈——服用阿斯匹靈
01:17
who take aspirin to reduce
our risk of cardiovascular disease
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來減少心血管疾病的人當中有 1/4
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are unknowingly aspirin-resistant
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並不知道自己有阿斯匹靈抗性。
01:22
and still have the same risks
of gastrointestinal bleeds
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他們仍然有同樣的風險
會發生消化道出血,
01:25
that kill thousands every year.
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每年有數千人因消化道出血而死。
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It's adverse drug reactions like these
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像這樣的藥物不良反應,
01:31
that are, by some estimates,
the number four leading cause of death
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估計是美國排名第四的死因。
01:34
in the United States.
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我自己的祖父過世了,
01:35
My own grandfather passed away
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01:36
after a single dose of antibiotic
caused his kidneys to fail.
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原因是一劑抗生素讓他的腎臟衰竭。
01:40
Now, adverse drug reactions
and side effects
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藥物不良反應和副作用
01:43
are often tied to challenges in dosing.
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通常都和劑量選擇的困難有關。
01:46
I trained in pediatrics (little people)
and internal medicine (big people).
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我受的訓練是兒童的小兒科
和大人的內科,
01:49
So one night I might have been
on call in the NICU,
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所以我可能會在一晚
被找去新生兒重症監護室,
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carefully dosing
to the fraction of a milligram
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小心地給了一毫克的藥,
給新生兒重症監護室的寶寶。
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a medication for a NICU baby.
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01:55
The next night --
on call in the emergency room,
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隔天晚上——則被找去急診室,
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treating a 400-pound lineman
or a frail nursing-home patient
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治療四百磅重的架線工人
或是虛弱的護理之家病人,
02:01
who, by most accounts, usually
would get the same dose of medications
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大部分的說法都認為他們應該接受
同樣劑量的處方藥物。
02:05
from the formulary.
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02:07
Which would mean, most of the time
I would be underdosing the lineman
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那就表示,大部分的時候,
我給架線工的劑量是不足的,
02:10
and overdosing the nursing-home patient.
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給護理之家病人的劑量是過多的。
02:13
And beyond age and weight,
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除了年齡和體重,
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we tend to ignore differences
in sex and race in dosing.
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我們在決定劑量時
也傾向會忽略性別和種族。
02:18
Now, beyond this, we know
we have a massive challenge
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除此之外,我知道
我們有個很大的困難,
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with noncompliance or low adherence.
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就是不順從性和低依順性。
02:25
Many of us who need
to take our medications
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許多需要服藥的人不願服藥,
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aren't taking them
or are taking them incorrectly.
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或以不正確的方式服藥。
02:30
You know, 40 percent
of adults in the US over 65
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在美國,有 40% 65 歲以上的人
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are on five or more
prescription medications.
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通常服用 5 種以上的藥物。
有時甚至到 15 種以上。
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Sometimes 15 or more.
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02:36
And even small improvements in adherence
can dramatically save dollars and lives.
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只要依順性能有小小的改善,
就能省下很多錢、拯救很多性命。
02:43
So, as we think into the future,
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所以,在我們遙想未來時,
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you think that where we are today,
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你認為我們現今的狀況,
02:48
as we often hear about smart,
personalized, targeted drugs,
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我們通常會聽到智慧型、
個人化的標靶藥物,
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Internet of Things, gene therapy, AI,
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物聯網、基因治療法、人工智慧,
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that we'd already arrived
in this era of precision medicine.
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好像我們已經到了
精準用藥的時代。
02:57
In reality, we still live in an age
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在現實中,我們仍然處在
02:58
of empiric, trial-and-error,
imprecision medicine.
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靠經驗主義和試誤法的
不精準用藥時代。
03:01
I think we can do better.
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我認為我們能做得更好。
03:03
What if we could reimagine ways
to help make your medicine-taking easier?
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如果我們能重新想像其他方式,
讓服藥變得更容易,會如何?
03:07
To get the right doses
and combinations to match you?
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依你的狀況,選擇正確的劑量和組合?
03:11
What if we could move beyond
today's literal cutting edge
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如果我們能夠超越現今先進的
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of pill cutters and fax machines,
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切藥器和傳真機,
03:16
to an era where we could have
better outcomes, lower costs,
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進入一個新時代,有更好的結果、
更低的成本、拯救人命、
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saving lives and space
in your medicine cabinet?
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節省藥櫃中的空間,會如何?
03:23
Well, I think part of the solution
is all the emerging ways
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我認為,解決方案有一部分在於
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that we can measure and connect
our health care information.
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我們可以用來測量和連結
健康照護資訊的新興方式。
03:29
Today, we pretty much live
in a reactive, sick-care world,
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現今,我們算得上是住在
一個反應式、病人照護的世界,
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siloed information that doesn't flow.
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資訊被儲存起來,不會流動。
03:35
We have the potential to move
into a more continuous, real-time
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我們有潛力可以做到更連續、即時、
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proactive world of true health care.
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主動式、真正健康照護的世界。
03:40
And part of that starts with
the emerging world of quantified self.
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其中一部分開端是
量化自我的新興世界,
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We can measure so much
of our physiology and behaviors today,
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現今我們可以測量我們
許多生理狀況和行為,
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and often it's siloed
on our phones and scales,
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這些資訊通常都儲存在
我們的手機和測量計當中,
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but it's starting to connect
to our clinicians, our caregivers,
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但這些資訊已經開始連結到
我們的臨床醫生、照護者,
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so they can better optimize prevention,
diagnostics and therapy.
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讓他們可以把預防、
診斷、治療做到最好。
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And when we can do that,
we can do some interesting things.
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當我們能做到這些時,
我們就能實行一些有趣的做法。
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Take, for example, hypertension.
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以高血壓為例。
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It's the number one risk factor
for early death and morbidity worldwide.
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在全世界,它是早死
和發病的第一名風險因子。
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Half of adult Americans,
on approximation, have hypertension.
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大約一半的成年美國人有高血壓,
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Less than half have it well-controlled.
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不到一半的人有做好控制。
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It's often because it takes two
or three different classes of medications.
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通常是因為他們需要服用
兩、三種不同類的藥物,
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It's tough to do adherence and adjust
your blood pressure medications.
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很難做到依順和調整
你的血壓藥物。
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We have 500 preventable deaths
from noncontrolled hypertension
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在美國,每天就有 500 件
因為高血壓未控制好
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in the US every day.
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而致死的案例是可以避免的。
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But now we're in the era
of connected blood pressure cuffs --
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但我們現在所處的時代
已經發明出了脈壓帶——
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the FDA just approved
a blood pressure cuff
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食品及藥物管理局(FDA)核准了
一種能和手錶結合的脈壓帶,
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that can go into your watch.
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There are now prototypes of cuffless
radar-based blood pressure devices
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現在還有無帶式
雷達血壓裝置的原型,
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that can continuously stream
your blood pressure.
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可以持續提供你的血壓資訊。
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So, in the future, I could --
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所以,在未來,我可以
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instead of spot-checking
my blood pressure in the clinic,
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不用到診所去檢測我的血壓,
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my doctor could see
my real-time numbers and my trends,
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我的醫生仍然可以知道
我的即時數據和趨勢,
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and adjust them as necessary,
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並依需要來做調整,
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with the help of a blood pressure
dosing algorithm
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只要有血壓劑量
演算法的協助就能辦到,
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or using the Internet of Things.
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或是使用物聯網也可以。
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Now, technology today can do even more.
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現今的技術能做的還不只如此。
04:52
My smartwatch, already today,
has an EKG built in
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我現在的智慧手錶就
已有內建的心電圖,
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that can be read
by artificial intelligence.
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可以用人工智慧來解讀。
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I'm wearing a small, Band-Aid-sized patch,
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我戴著一塊小型的 OK 繃尺寸貼片,
05:01
that is live-streaming
my vital signs right now.
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它現在就在即時傳輸
我的生命特徵資訊。
05:03
Let's take a look.
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咱們來看看。
05:05
They're actually a little
concerning at the moment.
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現在的這些數字
其實有點讓人憂心。
05:07
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
05:09
Now, it's not just my real-time vitals
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我的醫療團隊或我自己能看到的
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that can be seen
by my medical team or myself,
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並不只有我的即時生命特徵資訊,
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it could be my retrospective data,
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還能看到我的回溯資料,
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and again, that'd be used to modify
dosing and medication going forward.
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可以參考這些資料來調整
後續的劑量和用藥選擇。
05:20
Even my weight can be super-quantified;
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連我的體重也可以被超級量化。
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my weight, now my shape,
how much body mass, fat,
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我的體重、體型、
身體質量、脂肪、肌肉質量,
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muscle mass I might have,
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and use that to optimize
my prevention or therapy.
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用這些資訊來將我的
預防或治療做到最好。
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And it's not just for the tech-savvy.
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並不只有精通技術的人能用。
05:34
Now, MIT engineers have modified wifi
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麻省理工學院的工程師
已經修改了無線上網,
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so we can seamlessly
connect and collect our vital signs
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讓我們可以做到無縫連結,
從連線的戒指和智慧床墊,
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from our connected rings
and smart mattresses.
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收集我們的生命特徵資訊,
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We can start to share
this digital exhaust, our digitome,
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我們能開始分享這些數位產出,
個人專屬的數位資料集,
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and even potentially crowdsource it,
sharing our health information
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甚至有可能將它做群眾外包,
分享我們的健康資訊,
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just like we share
with our Google Maps and driving,
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就如同我們分享 Google 地圖和駕駛,
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to improve our -- not our driving,
but our health experience globally.
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來改善我們的——不是我們的駕駛,
而是我們全球的健康體驗。
05:56
So, that's great.
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那很棒。
05:58
We can potentially now
collect this information.
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我們現在可能可以收集這些資訊。
06:00
What if your labs
can go from the central lab
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若你的實驗室能從中央實驗室轉到
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to your home, to your phone,
to even inside our bodies
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你的家中、你的手機上,
甚至你的體內,
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to measure drug levels or other varieties?
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來測量藥物濃度
或其他變數,會如何?
06:10
And of course,
we're in the age of genomics.
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當然,現在是基因組學的時代。
06:12
I've been sequenced,
it's just less than $1,000 today.
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我們已經能做定序,
現今的價格不到一千美元。
我能開始了解我的藥物基因體學,
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And I can start to understand
my pharmacogenomics --
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我的基因會如何影響
我需要的劑量高低,
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how my genes impact
whether I need high dose, low dose,
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或是根本要換一種藥物。
06:20
or maybe a different
medication altogether.
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06:22
Let's imagine if your physician
or your pharmacist
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咱們來想像一下,
如果你的醫生或藥師
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had this information
integrated into their workflow,
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能把這些資訊整合到
他們的工作流程中,
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augmented with artificial intelligence,
AI, or as I like to refer to it, IA --
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用人工智慧(AI)來增強,
我喜歡把它稱為 IA,
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intelligence augmentation,
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即:智慧式增強,
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to leverage that information;
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以發揮那些資訊,
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to understand, of the 18,000
or more approved drugs,
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來了解在一萬八千種以上的
被核准藥物中,
06:37
which would be the right dose
and combination for you.
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你需要的藥物組合和劑量是什麼。
06:40
So great, now maybe we can
optimize your drugs and your doses,
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很好,現在也許我們能幫你
把藥物和劑量最佳化,
06:43
but the problem today is,
we're still using this amazing technology
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但現今的問題是,
我們仍然在用這項了不起的技術
06:46
to keep track of our drugs.
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持續追蹤我們的藥物。
06:48
And of course, these technologies evolve,
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當然,這些技術會演進,
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there's connected dispensers,
reminder apps,
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有連線的智慧藥盒、
提醒專用的應用程式、
06:54
smart pill bottle caps that can text
or tweet you or your mother
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智慧藥瓶蓋,如果你還沒有吃藥,
就會傳簡訊或推特訊息
給你或你母親。
06:57
if you haven't taken your medications.
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06:59
PillPack was just acquired by Amazon,
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PillPack 才剛被亞馬遜併購,
07:01
so soon we may have same-day delivery
of our drugs, delivered by drone.
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很快我們就會有藥品當日
遞送服務,由無人機送達。
07:05
So, all these things are possible today,
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所有這些在現今都是可能的,
07:08
but we're still taking multiple pills.
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但我們卻仍然在吃多種藥物。
07:09
What if we can make it simpler?
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如果我們能把它簡化呢?
07:11
I think one of the solutions
is to make better use of the polypill.
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我認為其中一個解決方案
就是善用複方製劑。
07:14
A polypill is the integration of multiple
medications into a single pill.
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複方製劑是把多種藥物
整合到單一藥錠中。
07:18
And we have these today in common
over-the-counter cold and flu remedies.
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現今我們在一般的無處方
傷風感冒藥物中就有用複方製劑。
07:21
And there have been
prevention polypill studies done,
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已經有人做過了
預防藥複方製劑的研究,
07:24
giving combinations
of statins, blood pressure, aspirin,
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結合了施德丁、血壓、阿斯匹靈,
07:26
which in randomized studies
have been shown
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在隨機研究中已經發現這些組合
07:28
to dramatically reduce risk,
compared to placebo.
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相對於安慰劑,能大大減少風險。
07:31
But these polypills weren't personalized,
they weren't optimized to the individual.
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但這些複方製劑並沒有被個人化,
沒有針對個人做最佳化。
若我們為你製作最好的
個人化複方製劑,如何?
07:35
What if we could optimize
your personalized polypill?
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07:37
So it would be built for you,
based on you, it could adapt to you,
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它會是為你打造的,
以你為基礎,它適合你,
07:41
even every single day.
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且可以每天取得。
07:42
Well, we're now in the era of 3D printing.
You can print personalized braces,
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在這 3D 列印的時代,你能列印出
07:46
hearing aids, orthopedic devices,
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個人化的支架、
助聽器、骨科用裝置,
07:48
even I've been scanned
and had my jeans tailored to fit to me.
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我甚至接受掃瞄之後
取得了客製化的牛仔褲。
07:52
So this got me thinking,
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這讓我去思考,
07:53
what if we could 3D-print
your personalized polypill?
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如果我們能把個人化的複方製劑
列印出來,會如何?
07:56
So instead of taking
six medications, for example,
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比如,就不用一次吃六種藥物,
07:59
I could integrate them into one.
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我可以把它們整合成一種。
08:00
So it would be easier to take,
improve adherence
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這樣吃藥就更容易了,
依順性也能改善,
08:03
and potentially, it could even
integrate in supplements,
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還有可能把補給品也整合進來,
08:05
like vitamin D or CoQ10.
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比如維生素 D 或輔酶 Q10。
08:09
So with some help --
I call these "IntelliMeds" --
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靠著一些協助——我稱它們為
「智慧藥物(IntelliMeds)」——
08:12
and with the help of my
IntelliMedicine engineering team,
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靠著我的智慧藥物工程團隊協助,
08:14
we built the first
IntelliMedicine prototype printer.
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我們打造了第一台
智慧藥物原型列印機。
08:17
And here's how it works:
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它的運作方式是:用微型藥物,
而非完整的藥錠,
08:19
instead of full tablets,
we have small micromeds,
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08:21
one or two milligrams each,
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每個只有一或二毫克,
08:23
which are sorted and selected
based on the dose and combination
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會根據個人所需要的
劑量和藥物組合來挑選。
08:26
needed for an individual.
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08:27
And of course, these would be
doses and combinations
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當然,這些是你本來就能
一起服用的劑量和組合,
FDA 核准的藥物。
08:30
you could already take together,
FDA-approved drugs.
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08:32
We could change the pharmacokinetics
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我們能改變藥物代謝動力學,
08:34
by professionally layering on different
elements to the individual micromeds.
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做法是針對個別的微型藥物,
將不同元素以專業方式層疊上去。
08:39
And when we hit print,
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當我們按下列印鍵,
08:41
you print your combination of medications
that might be needed by you
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你就能印出你在任何一天
可能需要的藥物組合。
08:44
on any individual day.
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08:46
And we'd start with, again, generic drugs
for the most common problems.
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同樣的,我們也是從治療
最常見問題的非專利藥物做起。
08:50
About 90 percent of prescribed drugs today
are low-cost generics.
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現今有 90% 的處方藥
都是低成本的非專利藥物。
08:53
And once we've printed the pill,
we can do some fun bells and whistles.
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一旦我們把藥錠列印出來,
我們就能再做些有趣的額外功能。
08:57
We could print the name of the patient,
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我們能列印出病人的名字、
08:59
the date, the day of the week, a QR code.
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日期、星期幾、一個 QR 碼。
09:02
We could print different meds for tapering
for a patient on a steroid taper,
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我們能為在做類固醇減藥
或止痛藥減藥的病人
09:06
or tapering from pain medications.
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列印出不同的藥物供減藥用。
09:08
So, this is actually a look at our
prototype IntelliMedicine printer.
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讓各位看看我們的
原型智慧藥物列印機。
09:13
See, I'll unveil it here.
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在此揭幕。
09:15
It has about 16 different silos,
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它有 16 個不同的筒倉,
09:18
each containing individual micromeds.
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每個當中都裝有個別的微型藥物。
09:22
And I can now adjust on the software
individual dosings.
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我可以透過軟體
來調整個別的劑量。
09:26
And when I do that,
the robotic arm will adjust
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當我操作軟體時,
機械手臂就會調整
09:30
the height of these spansules
and the micromeds will release.
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這些長效膠囊的長度,
微型藥物就會被釋出。
09:33
I can now --
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我現在可以——
09:35
The automated process
would rotate and cycle through,
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它會自動旋轉和輪轉,
確保微型藥物有被裝載上去。
09:37
to make sure the micromeds are loaded.
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09:39
And when I hit print,
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當我按下列印鍵,
09:41
these will all fall through the device,
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這些都會透過裝置落下,
09:43
I now pull out my
personalized printed polypill
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現在我可以取出我的
個人化列印複方製劑,
09:47
with the doses
and medications meant for me.
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它的劑量和內含藥物
都是針對我做的。
09:51
And we can take a look,
if you look back to the slides,
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我們可以回頭看一下投影片,
09:54
you can see the whole process,
we can see the drug silos being selected,
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你們可以看到整個過程,
我們能看到藥物筒倉被選取,
09:58
the pills doing down the different silos,
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藥錠從不同的筒倉落下,
10:00
and being collected
in the individual capsule.
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被收集放入個別的膠囊。
10:02
Now, this is great,
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這很棒,
10:04
I can potentially
print my meds based on me,
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我可以依我個人需求
來列印我的藥物,
10:06
instead of taking six pills.
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不用吃六種藥物。
10:08
I can now be looking
at my individual dosing.
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我現在可以察看我的個別劑量,
10:11
My smartwatch is looking
at my blood pressure:
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我的智慧手錶在看我的血壓,
10:13
I needed an adjustment
in my blood pressure medicines,
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我需要調整我的血壓藥物,
我的華法林濃度,我的血液太稀,
10:16
my coumadin level.
My blood is too thin,
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10:18
so I lower my micromed
dose of coumadin, a blood thinner.
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所以我降低了我的華法林
微型藥物劑量,它會稀釋血液。
10:22
So, this could be
smartly adapted, day to day,
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可以智慧地做調整,
配合每天的狀況,
10:24
programmed by my physician
or cardiologist.
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由我的內科醫生
或心臟科醫生來製訂計畫。
10:27
And you can imagine that larger printers,
fast printers like this,
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你們可以想像像這樣的
列印機,但更大、更快,
10:30
could be in your corner pharmacy,
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擺放在你家附近街角的藥房裡、
10:33
in your doctor's office,
in a rural clinic.
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你的醫生的辦公室裡、
鄉村的診所裡。
10:35
But it could eventually merge and shrink
to small ones that could be in your home
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最終,它可以被合併和縮小,
成為小型個人家用列印機,
10:39
with integrated cartridges like this
that are delivered by drone.
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有像這樣的整合藥筒,
由無人機來遞送。
10:43
Could print your personalized polypill,
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放在你的廚房或是浴室儲存櫃中,
10:45
each morning on your kitchen
or your bathroom cabinet.
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每天列印出你的個人化複方製劑。
10:48
And this could evolve, I think,
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我認為,這有可能會演進,
10:50
into an incredible way to improve
adherence in medications across the globe.
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成為一種很棒的方式,
來改善全球的依順性。
10:54
So, I hope we can reimagine
the future of medicine in new ways,
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我希望我們能夠以新的方式
來重新想像藥物的未來,
10:58
moving from polypharmacy,
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從多重用藥、所有人通用的劑量、
10:59
one-size-fits-all,
low adherence, complications
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低順從性、複雜混亂,
11:03
to an era of personalized,
precise, on-demand medications
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轉變為個人化、精確、
依需要來供應的藥物,
11:07
that can take us
and individualize our own health
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將我們自己的健康給個人化,
11:10
and health and medicine around the planet.
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也將世界各地的健康
和藥物給個人化。
11:13
Thank you very much.
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非常謝謝。
11:14
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:21
Host: Daniel, that's kind of awesome.
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主持人:丹尼爾,那真的很棒。
11:23
Really cool.
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非常酷。
11:25
Question for you, though.
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但,有問題想請教。
11:26
How long is it until, say, that
nursing-home patient that you mentioned
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還要多久才能讓,
比如,你提到的護理之家病人,
11:30
is able to print
their pills in their home?
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能夠在他們自己的家中
列印他們的藥錠?
11:32
Daniel Kraft: Well, again,
this is just a prototype.
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丹尼爾克拉夫特:
再次強調,它只是樣本機。
11:35
We think that the regulatory route
[may] be automated compounding,
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我們認為還有待改善的部分
是使其能夠自動合成,
11:38
and especially in nursing homes,
folks are taking multiple medications,
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特別是在護理之家,
那裡的人會服用多種藥物,
11:41
and they're often mixed up,
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他們常常會搞混,
11:43
so it would be a perfect place
to start with these technologies.
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護理之家是這些技術
最完美的起始點。
這些技術不可能從你浴室
櫃台上的列印機開始和演進。
11:46
These aren't going to evolve and start
with printers on your bathroom counter.
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我們必須要以很聰明的方式
來推出這些東西,
11:50
We need to be intelligent and smart
about how we roll these things out,
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但要知道,在劑量、依順性,
和精準度上都還有許多困難挑戰,
11:53
but realizing there's so many challenges
with dosing, adherence and precision,
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現在我們有這麼多了不起的
新技術,可以被用來整合,
11:57
and now that we have
all these amazing new technologies
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11:59
that can integrate and be leveraged,
I think we need approaches like this
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我認為我們需要這樣的新方法,
12:01
to really catalyze and foster
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來真正催化
和促進健康和藥物的真正未來。
12:04
a true future of health and medicine.
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主持人:好極了,謝謝你。
丹尼爾:謝謝。
12:06
Host: Great, thank you.
DK: Thanks.
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12:08
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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