David Birch: A new way to stop identity theft

48,956 views ・ 2015-07-15

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翻译人员: Tingting Zhao 校对人员: Sherry Chen
00:13
So I thought I'd talk about identity.
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我要讲的和身份有关。
00:15
That's sort of an interesting enough topic to me.
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对我来说,这是一个相当有趣的话题。
00:18
And the reason was, because when I was asked to do this,
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因为当我受邀来做这次演讲时,
00:21
I'd just read in one of the papers, I can't remember,
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我正好读到一篇文章, 我不大记得具体是哪篇了,
是脸书上某个人分享,文章说:
00:25
something from someone at Facebook saying,
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00:27
"Well, we need to make everybody use their real names,
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“我们需要使每个人都使用真名。”
这样一来,所有问题 基本上都会迎刃而解。
00:30
and then that's basically all the problems solved."
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真是大错而特错。
00:33
And that's so wrong,
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00:34
that's such a fundamentally reactionary view of identity,
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这根本就是一种关于身份的谬论,
00:38
and it's going to get us into all sorts of trouble.
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这会使得我们陷入各种麻烦。
00:40
And so what I thought I'd do is,
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所以我想,
首先解释关于身份的四个问题,
00:42
I'll explain four sort of problems about it,
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然后提出我的解决方案,
00:46
and then I'll suggest a solution,
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希望各位也会感兴趣。
00:48
which, hopefully, you might find interesting.
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我们先设定这样一个问题,
00:50
So just to frame the problem:
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00:51
What does "authenticity" mean?
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何为真实性?
00:53
That's me,
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这个是我用手机拍摄的照片,
00:55
that's a camera phone picture of me looking at a painting.
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那时我正在看一幅油画。
00:59
[What's the Problem?]
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”问题出在哪里?“
这是由一位知名的伪造者
01:01
That's a painting that was painted by a very famous forger,
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完成的油画,
01:03
and because I'm not very good at presentations,
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因为我不是很擅长演讲,
我这会已想不起来我记在 卡片上的那个伪造者的名字了。
01:06
I already can't remember the name that I wrote on my card.
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01:08
And he was incarcerated in, I think, Wakefield Prison,
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他被监禁在韦克菲尔德监狱,
01:12
for forging masterpieces by, I think, French Impressionists.
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罪名是伪造法国印象派 画家的杰出作品。
他对此相当擅长, 以至于在他服刑期间
01:16
And he's so good at it that when he was in prison,
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01:19
everybody in prison, the governor and whatever,
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监狱里的每一个人, 包括监狱长之类的,
都希望请他画一些 这样的杰作,挂在自家墙头。
01:21
wanted him to paint masterpieces to put on the walls
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01:23
because they were so good.
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因为他实在是画得很棒,
这就是其中一副杰作,
01:25
And so that's a masterpiece, which is a fake of a masterpiece,
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一副伪造的赝品,
01:28
and bonded into the canvas is a chip which identifies that as a real fake,
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画框上有一个小芯片, 用于标示它是一副“真正的赝品”,
如果你们理解我的意思的话。
01:35
if you see what I mean.
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01:36
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:37
So when we're talking about authenticity,
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因此当我们谈论真实性的时候,
01:39
it's a little more fractal than it appears,
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总是比看起来要更复杂, 而那就是一个很好的例子。
01:41
and that's a good example to show it.
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01:44
I tried to pick four problems that will frame the issue properly.
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我尝试选择四个问题, 来合理的组织这个话题。
01:49
So the first problem, I thought, chip and PIN, right?
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我想,第一个问题应该是
芯片和密码, 是吧?
01:51
[Banks and legacies bringing down the system from within]
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“银行遗产使得系统从内部崩溃”
”离线方案无法在线运行“
01:54
[Offline solutions do not work online]
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我想每个人都应该有 一张芯片卡,对吧?
01:56
Everyone's got a chip and PIN card, right?
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为什么说它是一个好例证呢?
01:58
So why is that a good example?
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因为它从遗产的角度展现了,
02:00
That's the example of how legacy thinking about identity
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02:02
subverts the security of a well-constructed system.
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身份如何摧毁一个健壮的系统。
02:05
That chip-and-PIN card that's in your pocket
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你口袋里的芯片卡
02:08
has a little chip on it that cost millions of pounds to develop,
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上面有一块小芯片, 那是耗资数百万英镑开发出来的,
02:11
is extremely secure,
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它非常安全,
02:13
you can put scanning electron microscopes on it,
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你可以放一个扫描电子显微镜在上面,
02:15
you can try and grind it down, blah blah blah.
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或者试试磨损它之类的。
02:17
Those chips have never been broken, whatever you read in the paper.
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这些芯片其实从没被毁坏过, 无论报纸上怎么说。
说个笑话吧, 我们持有超级安全的芯片卡,
02:21
And for a joke, we take that supersecure chip,
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02:24
and we bond it to a trivially counterfeitable magnetic stripe.
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把它们绑在一个稍许伪造的磁条上,
针对那些很懒的罪犯, 我们在磁条上做了浮雕图案。
02:28
And for very lazy criminals, we still emboss the card.
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02:31
So if you're a criminal in a hurry and you need to copy someone's card,
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如果你是一个心急的犯案分子, 你想要复制某人的卡片,
你只需要贴一张纸在上面, 用铅笔涂就可以了,
02:35
you can just stick a piece of paper on it and rub a pencil over it
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这样就可以加快速度。
02:38
just to speed things up.
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更有趣的是,我们的借记卡也这样。
02:39
And even more amusingly, and on my debit card, too,
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我们在正面印上姓名, SALT码和其他信息。
02:42
we print the name and the sort code and everything else on the front.
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为什么呢?
02:45
Why?
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02:47
There is no earthly reason why your name is printed on a chip-and-PIN card.
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似乎没什么站得住脚理由, 把我们的名字印在芯片卡上。
02:51
And if you think about it,
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如果你仔细想想,
02:53
it's even more insidious and perverse than it seems at first.
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就会觉得更加荒谬反常了。
02:56
Because the only people that benefit from having the name on the card
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因为整个事情的真正受益者
只有犯罪分子。
03:00
are criminals.
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你是知道自己的名字的,对吧?
03:01
You know what your name is, right?
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(笑声)
03:03
(Laughter)
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当你去商店购物的时候,
03:04
And when you go into a shop and buy something,
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只需要你的密码, 不会关心你叫什么姓名。
03:06
it's a PIN -- he doesn't care what the name is.
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03:08
The only place you ever have to write your name on the back
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要求你必须在卡背面 写上自己名字的地方,
03:11
is in America.
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目前只有美国。
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Whenever I go to America,
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每次去美国的时候,
我必须用卡背面的磁条付款,
03:14
and I have to pay with a magstripe on the back of the card,
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我的签名一直是“卡洛斯•特瑟”,
03:17
I always sign it "Carlos Tethers" anyway, just as a security mechanism,
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这是一种安全机制。
因为一旦有有争议的付款出现,
03:20
because if a transaction ever gets disputed,
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显示签名戴維•波奇,
03:22
and it comes back and it says "Dave Birch,"
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我就能判别那一定是犯罪分子,
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I know it must have been a criminal,
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因为我从来不会签自己的真名。
03:26
because I would never sign it "Dave Birch."
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03:28
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:29
So if you drop your card in the street,
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如果你弄丢了你的卡,
03:31
it means a criminal can pick it up and read it.
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这就意味着可能被犯罪分子捡到,
他们认得你的名字,
03:34
They know the name, from the name, they can find the address,
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并能根据你的姓名找到地址,
这样他们就可以拿着去网上购物了。
03:37
and then they can go off and buy stuff online.
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那么为什么我们要把姓名写在卡上呢?
03:39
Why do we put the name on the card?
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03:40
Because we think identity is something to do with names,
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因为我们认为身份和姓名有关,
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and because we're rooted in the idea of the identity card,
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而身份证的概念深入我们内心,
没法摆脱。
03:48
which obsesses us.
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03:49
And I know it crashed and burned a couple of years ago,
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我知道十几年前这个话题 被吵得热火朝天,
但如果你是政客或者内政部的什么人,
03:52
but if you're someone in politics or the Home Office or whatever,
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03:56
and you think about identity,
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对于你来说,
03:57
you can only think of identity in terms of cards with names on.
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身份就只能靠卡片上的姓名定义了。
在现代社会这是极具颠覆性的。
04:01
And that's very subversive in a modern world.
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04:04
So the second example I thought I'd use
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第二个我想用的是
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is chat rooms.
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聊天室的例子。
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[Chatrooms and Children]
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”聊天室和孩子“
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I'm very proud of that picture.
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我对这张照片非常引以为豪, 这是我的儿子,
04:11
That's my son playing in his band with his friends
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和他的朋友组合的乐队 在举行他们的首次演出。
04:13
for the first-ever gig, I believe you call it, where he got paid.
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我相信你们会这么称呼它, 他是有收入的。
04:17
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:18
And I love that picture.
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我爱死这幅图片了,
04:20
I'll like the picture of him getting into medical school a lot better,
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我更喜欢他进医学院的那张,
(笑声)
04:23
(Laughter)
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不过我现在是喜欢那张更多一些。
04:24
I like that one for the moment.
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我为什么用这个呢?
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Why do I use that picture?
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因为作为一个老人回顾这些经历, 实在很有趣。
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Because that was very interesting, watching that experience as an old person.
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他(我的儿子)和他的朋友们,
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So him and his friends,
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04:33
they get together, they booked a room, like a church hall,
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一起租了一间类似教堂大厅的房间。
他们召集了所有玩乐队的朋友,
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and they got all their friends who had bands, got them together,
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把他们聚在一起,
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and they do it all on Facebook,
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这些都是完全通过脸书完成的。
然后他们出售演出票, 那上面的第一个乐队 ——
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and then they sell tickets, and the first band on the --
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04:44
I was going to say "menu," that's probably the wrong word for it, isn't it?
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我刚才想说在“菜单”上面,
这个词也许用得不对吧?
在列表中的第一个乐队,
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The first band on the list of bands
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在某种公众表演中
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that appears at some public music performance of some kind
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04:54
gets the sales from the first 20 tickets,
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销售了第一个 20 张演出票,
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then the next band gets the next 20,
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第二个乐队卖掉下一个 20 张,
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and so on.
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以此类推。
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They were at the bottom of the menu, like, fifth,
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我儿子的乐队在菜单的最下面,
大约第五个, 我本想他们没什么机会了,
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I thought they had no chance.
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但他们竟然赚了 20 英镑, 很不可思议,对吧?
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He actually got 20 quid. Fantastic, right?
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我想要说的是, 所有一切都运作很完美,
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But my point is, that all worked perfectly,
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除了在网络上,
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except on the web.
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05:09
So they're sitting on Facebook,
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他们通过脸书
传递消息,安排事情,
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and they're sending these messages and arranging things,
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他们并不知道谁是谁,对吧?
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and they don't know who anybody is, right?
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05:17
That's the problem we're trying to solve.
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这是我们正在设法解决的最大问题。
只要他们使用了真实姓名,
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If only they were using real names,
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你就不会再担心互联网上那些人了。
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then you wouldn't be worried about them on the internet.
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因此当他对我说,
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So when he says to me,
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“我想去聊天室谈一下吉他的事情” 诸如此类的,
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"Oh, I want to go to a chat room to talk about guitars" or something,
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我差不多会说: “哦 我不想你去聊天室谈这些事,
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I'm like, "Oh, well, I don't want you to go into a chat room
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05:32
to talk about guitars,
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因为他们可能不全是你的朋友,
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because they might not all be your friends,
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聊天室的一些人
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and some of the people that are in the chat room
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可能会是变态、老师、 或者传教士什么的。”
05:38
might be, you know, perverts and teachers and vicars --"
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05:41
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:43
I mean, they generally are, when you look in the paper, right?
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我的意思是,他们通常如此, 如果你看报纸的话,不是吗?
我想知道聊天室里都有些什么人。
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"So I want to know who all the people in the chat room are.
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05:49
So, OK, you can go in the chat room,
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好吧,你可以去聊天室,
但除非每个人都用真名,
05:51
but only if everybody in the chat room is using their real names,
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而且提交了警方的完整案底。
05:54
and they submit full copies of their police report."
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05:57
(Laughter)
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05:58
But of course, if anybody in the chat room asked for his real name,
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当然啦,如果聊天室里 有人要问我儿子的真实姓名,
我都会拒绝 。绝对不能给真名。
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I'd say, "No. You can't give them your real name,
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因为如果他们是变态怎么办?
06:04
because what happens if they turn out to be perverts
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是老师什么的怎么办?
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and teachers and whatever?"
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06:09
So you have this odd sort of paradox
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所以说 你有这类怪异的矛盾
就是说,我乐意让他去一个
06:11
where I'm happy for him to go into this space
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知道每个人身份的空间,
06:13
if I know who everybody else is,
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06:15
but I don't want anybody else to know who he is.
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但我不想让其他任何人知道他是谁。
06:17
And so you get this sort of logjam around identity,
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就这样我们陷入了某种身份僵局,
你希望每个人都完全公开,
06:20
where you want full disclosure from everybody else,
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除了你自己。
06:22
but not from yourself.
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这样就不会有什么改观, 我们陷入了困境,
06:23
And there's no progress, we get stuck.
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而聊天室就没法正常运作了。
06:25
So the chat room thing doesn't work properly,
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这是对于身份问题 一种糟糕的理解方式。
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and it's a very bad way of thinking about identity.
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06:30
Cheerleading ... so, on my RSS feed, I saw this thing about --
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在我的简讯订阅单上 ——
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I just said something bad about my RSS feed, didn't I?
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我刚说了它的坏话了吧?
我不该再这么讲了。
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I should stop saying it like that.
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一个偶然原因,我从未想象过,
06:39
For some random reason I can't imagine,
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06:40
something about cheerleaders turned up in my in-box.
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一些关于拉拉队的事件 出现在我的收件箱。
我读了他们的故事,
06:43
And I read this story about cheerleaders, and it's a fascinating story.
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非常不可思议。
那是发生在十多年前的美国,
06:46
This happened a couple of years ago in the US.
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当时美国高中的队组中有一支拉拉队,
06:48
There were some cheerleaders in a team at a high school in the US,
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他们对教练
06:52
and they said mean things about their cheerleading coach,
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言语刻薄。
我确信孩子们对自己的老师
06:55
as I'm sure kids do about all of their teachers all of the time,
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一直都是这样。
06:58
and somehow, the cheerleading coach found out about this.
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不知怎么搞的, 拉拉队教练发现了这件事。
她非常愤怒。
07:01
She was very upset.
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于是她对其中的一个女孩说:
07:02
So she went to one of the girls and said,
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“把你的脸书密码交出来。”
07:04
"You have to give me your Facebook password."
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我常常遇到类似的事, 即使是在大学,
07:06
I read this all the time,
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07:08
where even at some universities and places of education,
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在某些教育机构中,
07:10
kids are forced to hand over their Facebook passwords.
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孩子们也要被迫交出自己的脸书密码。
所以你也得这样。
07:13
So you have to give them your Facebook password.
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07:15
So the kid -- she was a kid! -- what she should have said is,
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可她只是个孩子!
她本来可以说:
“我的律师明天
07:18
"My lawyer will be calling you first thing in the morning.
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一早会打电话给你,
你侵犯了我
07:21
It's an outrageous imposition on my Fourth Amendment right to privacy.
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第四修正案中的个人隐私权,
你等着吃官司,
倾家荡产吧!“
07:24
You'll be sued for all the money you've got!"
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她本该这样说,
可是她还是个小孩,
07:26
That's what she should have said.
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于是她上缴了她的密码。
07:28
But she's a kid, so she hands over the password.
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老师当时没法登陆脸书,
07:30
The teacher can't log in,
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因为被学校网络封锁了,
07:32
because the school has blocked access to Facebook.
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只能等到回家后。
07:34
So the teacher can't log into Facebook till she gets home.
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所以,当女孩把这件事 告诉她的朋友们之后,
07:37
So the girl tells her friends,
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猜猜发生了什么?
她知道老师会登陆,
07:38
"Guess what happened? The teacher logged in. She knows."
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所以她们纷纷通过手机,
把所有的脸书资料都删除了。
07:41
So the girls all logged into Facebook and deleted their profiles.
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这样当老师们登陆的时候, 便一无所获。
07:44
So when the teacher logged in, there was nothing there.
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我想强调的是,对于身份, 他们的理解方式不再一样了。
07:47
My point is: those identities, they don't think about them the same way.
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07:51
Identity is -- especially when you're a teenager -- a fluid thing.
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身份是在流动变化着的, 特别在青少年阶段。
07:55
You have lots of identities, you experiment with them.
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你会有多重身份,
有的你可能不喜欢,
07:57
And if you have an identity you don't like because it's subverted in some way
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因为它可能被破坏了, 或者不安全,或是不恰当。
08:01
or it's insecure or it's inappropriate,
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你只需要删除它,找另一个,
08:03
you just delete it and get another one.
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那种被他人,比如政府之类,
08:05
The idea that you have an identity that's given to you by someone,
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08:08
the government or whatever,
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赋予某种身份,
08:09
and you have to stick with that identity and use it in all places
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并且在任何地方都要沿用的想法,
真是大错特错。
08:12
is absolutely wrong.
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你会要想知道脸书上 某个人的真实身份吗?
08:14
Why would you want to really know who someone was on Facebook,
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除非你要诋毁或是侵扰他?
08:17
unless you wanted to abuse them and harass them in some way?
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这种运作方式是不当的。
08:19
It just doesn't work properly.
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08:21
And my fourth example is,
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我的第四个例子是,
08:23
there are some cases where you really want to be --
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有一些情况下,你真的想要成为...
08:26
in case you're wondering, that's me at the G20 protest.
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也许你们也正在疑惑这幅图, 这是 G20 示威活动时的我。
不过我当时不是参与 G20示威, 而是在一个银行开会。
08:30
I wasn't actually at the G20 protest,
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08:31
but I had a meeting at a bank on the day of the G20 protest.
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正好在同一天, 我收到一封来自银行的邮件,
08:35
And I got an email from the bank, saying,
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让我别穿正装,这会激怒示威者。
08:37
"Please don't wear a suit, because it'll inflame the protesters."
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08:41
I look pretty good in a suit, frankly,
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坦率的讲,我穿上正装还是挺不错的。
08:43
so you can see why it would drive them into an anticapitalist frenzy.
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所以你可以看到, 为什么这会让他们卷入
反资本主义的狂热中。
08:46
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
所以我就想,好吧,你瞧,
08:47
So I thought, "Well, if I don't want to inflame the protesters,
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如果我不愿意激怒示威者,
我显然要
08:51
the obvious thing to do is go dressed as a protester."
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像示威者一样着装。
08:53
So I went dressed completely in black, you know, black balaclava ...
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于是我清一色黑衣,
黑色的巴拉克拉法帽,
08:57
I had black gloves on but took them off to sign the visitors' book.
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黑色的手套,
不过在来客簿上签名的时候, 我脱掉了它们。
(笑声)
09:00
(Laughter)
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我穿着黑色裤子,黑色靴子,
09:01
I'm wearing black trousers and boots, I'm dressed completely in black.
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从头到脚都是黑色的。
我十点钟进的银行,
09:04
I go into the bank at 10am and go, "Hi, I'm Dave Birch,
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我说:“你好,我是戴維•波奇,
我三点约了会议。“
09:07
I've got a 3 o'clock with so-and-so."
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当然,他们让我进入了。
这是我的访客胸牌。
09:09
"Sure!" And they sign me in. There's my visitor's badge.
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09:11
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:12
So this nonsense about "you've got to have real names on Facebook" and whatever,
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所以说,简直是无稽之谈,
你在脸书和其他任何地方都使用真名,
就会让你获得某种安全。
09:16
that gets you that kind of security.
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这就是一个安全剧场, 哪里没有真正所谓的安全,
09:18
That gets you "security theater,"
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09:20
where there's no actual security,
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09:22
but people are sort of playing parts in a play about security,
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每个人都在这场有关安全的剧里 扮演某种角色。
只要每个人都记得台词,
09:26
and as long as everybody learns their lines,
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大家就都满意了。
09:28
everyone's happy.
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但这不是真正的安全。
09:29
But it's not real security, right?
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特别是我厌恶银行 胜过那些 G20 示威者,
09:32
Especially because I hate banks more than the G20 protesters do,
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因为我为他们工作,
09:35
because I work for them.
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我知道的那些事情 要比他们所认为的糟糕得多。
09:36
I know that things are actually worse than these guys think.
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(笑声)
09:39
(Laughter)
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假设在银行里工作时,我边上的同事
09:42
But suppose I worked next to somebody in a bank
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在做些什么事情,
09:47
who was doing something --
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09:48
you know, they were like people who take the money from banks and don't ...
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09:53
you know, they take the money ...
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09:55
Oh -- "traders." That's the word I was thinking of.
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假设他在做流氓交易,
09:57
Suppose I was sitting next to a rogue trader,
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我想上报老板。
09:59
and I want to report it to the boss of the bank.
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10:01
So I log on to do a little whistleblowing.
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于是我登录,打算揭发他。
我发一条信息,说这个人是流氓交易员,
10:03
I send a message, "This guy's a rogue trader."
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但这个信息是没有意义的,
10:06
That message is meaningless
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除非你知道我也是银行的交易员,
10:07
if you don't know that I'm a trader at the bank.
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如果这个消息可以从任何人而来,
10:10
If that message just comes from anybody,
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那它的价值就是零了。
10:12
it has zero information value.
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10:14
There's no point in sending that message.
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这样的信息毫无意义。
10:16
You have to know that I'm ...
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10:18
But if I have to prove who I am,
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但如果我必须要证实我自己的身份,
10:21
I'll never send that message.
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那我绝不会发这条信息了。
就像医院里,护士要揭发 醉酒的手术医生。
10:23
It's just like the nurse in the hospital reporting the drunk surgeon.
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10:26
That message will only happen if I'm anonymous.
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那么他只会匿名上报,
10:29
So the system has to have ways of providing anonymity in it,
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所以这样的系统必须要 提供匿名的途径。
10:34
otherwise, we don't get where we want to get to.
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否则我不会达成我的目的。
所以,我要说的第四点就是, 对此我们能做些什么?
10:36
So, four issues.
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10:38
So what are we going to do about it?
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我们要做的,
10:40
Well, what we tend to do about it
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就是对解奥威尔空间的思考。
10:44
is we think about Orwell-space.
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10:46
And we try to make electronic versions of the identity card
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我们尝试制作电子版本的身份证,
那是早在1953年我们就废弃了的。
10:50
that we got rid of in 1953.
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如果我们有某种卡,
10:52
So we think if we had a card --
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10:54
call it a Facebook login --
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就叫它脸书准入好了,
它能证明你是谁,
10:56
which proves who you are,
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10:57
and I make you carry it all the time,
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你随身带着它,
就可以解决所有问题了。
10:59
that solves the problem.
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当然,基于我刚才列出的种种原因,
11:00
And of course, for all those reasons I've just outlined, it doesn't,
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这也许不会真的解决问题,
可能反倒会使问题变得更糟。
11:03
and it might make some problems worse.
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被强制使用真实身份的次数越多,
11:05
The more times you're forced to use your real identity,
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当然是在交易中,
11:08
certainly in transactional terms,
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11:09
the more likely that identity is to get stolen and subverted.
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那么它被盗被毁的可能性就越大。
所以,我们的目标就是使人们
11:12
The goal is to stop people from using identity
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11:14
in transactions which don't need identity,
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在不必要的交易场合 不再出示真实身份。
11:16
which is actually almost all transactions.
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其实几乎所有的交易都不需要。
你参与的几乎所有交易,
11:19
Almost all of the transactions you do are not "Who are you?"
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都不在乎你是谁,
而是,你是否被允许开车,
11:23
They're "Are you allowed to drive the car?"
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是否可以进入这幢大楼,
11:25
"Are you allowed in the building?" "Are you over 18?"
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是否满18岁,
11:27
etcetera, etcetera.
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诸如之类。
11:29
So my suggestion -- I, like James,
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所以我的建议,如詹姆斯一样,就是
11:31
think that there should be a resurgence of interest in R and D.
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我认为这个问题应该重新 被研发重视起来。
11:34
I think this is a solvable problem.
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它是可解的,
对此我们可以有所作为。
11:36
It's something we can do about.
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11:37
Naturally, in these circumstances, I turn to Doctor Who.
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很自然的,在这样的情境下,
我会向”神秘博士”求助。
11:40
Because in this --
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因为在这本剧中,
11:42
(Laughter)
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就像在现实生活中的各行各业,
11:43
as in so many other walks of life,
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11:44
Doctor Who has already shown us the answer.
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神秘博士已经给了我们答案。
11:47
So I should say, for some of our foreign visitors:
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应该说,
对于我们某些外籍游客,
11:50
Doctor Who is the greatest living scientist in England --
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神秘博士是英国最伟大的当代科学家,
11:54
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
也是我们每个人真理和启示的灯塔。
11:56
and a beacon of truth and enlightenment to all of us.
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11:58
And this is Doctor Who with his "psychic paper."
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这是神秘博士和他的通灵卡片。
12:01
Come on, you guys must have seen Doctor Who's "psychic paper."
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你们肯定读过这个,
12:04
You're not nerds if you say yes.
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读过又不意味着你就是书呆子。
12:06
Who's seen Doctor Who's psychic paper?
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谁见过神秘博士的通灵卡片?
好吧,我猜你们一直都在图书馆学习,
12:09
Oh right, you were in the library the whole time studying, I guess.
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这就是你要告诉我们的吗?
12:12
Is that what you're going to tell us?
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神秘博士的通灵卡片,
12:14
Doctor Who's psychic paper is:
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就是当你举起它的时候,
12:15
when you hold up the psychic paper,
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这个人能在他们脑中
12:17
the person, in their brain,
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12:18
sees the thing that they need to see.
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看到他们所想要的。
12:20
So I want to show you a British passport,
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我想给你们看一个英国护照,
12:23
I hold up the psychic paper,
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我举起通灵卡片,
12:24
you see a British passport.
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你就可以看到一个英国护照;
我想要参加一个派对,
12:26
I want to get into a party,
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12:27
I hold up the psychic paper,
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只要我举起通灵卡片,
你就可以看到一个派对邀请。
12:29
I show you a party invitation.
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12:30
You see what you want to see.
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你可以看到你内心所想的。
12:32
So what I'm saying is, we need to make an electronic version of that,
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我想说的是, 我们可以做一个电子版本,
12:35
but with one tiny, tiny change,
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但是要做出一个很小的改变,
就是它只展示我的英国护照,
12:38
which is that it'll only show you the British passport
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12:40
if I've actually got one.
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如果我确实有一张;
12:41
It'll only show you the party invitation if I actually have one.
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它会显示那个派对邀请,
如果我也有这个;
12:44
It will only show you that I'm over 18 if I actually am over 18.
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它也可以显示我已满18岁, 如果情况也属实的话。
但不会显示其它。
12:48
But nothing else.
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12:49
So you're the bouncer at the pub, you need to know that I'm over 18.
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如果你是酒吧保镖, 要知道我是否满18岁,
12:54
Instead of showing you my driving license,
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我不用出示我的驾照,
12:56
which shows you I know how to drive,
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那就泄露了我会开车,
12:58
what my name is, my address, all these kind of things,
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还透露我的姓名、地址之类的信息。
我给你看我的通灵卡片就可以了,
13:01
I show you my psychic paper,
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13:02
and all it tells you is, am I over 18 or not.
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它只告诉你我是否已满18岁。
是的。
13:06
Right.
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13:07
Is that just a pipe dream?
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这只是白日梦么?
13:08
Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't be here talking.
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当然不是啦! 否则我不会在这里讲这么多。
为了完成这个设想,让它付诸实际,
13:11
So, in order to build that and make it work,
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13:13
I'm only going to name these things, I'll not go into them:
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我只讲讲需要的东西, 就不做具体解释了。
我需要制定一个计划,
13:16
we need a plan,
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13:17
which is, we're going to build this as an infrastructure
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建造这样一个
人人都可以使用的基础框架,
13:20
for everybody to use to solve all of these problems.
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来解决所有问题。
13:22
We're going to make a utility.
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我们会制造一种功用,
13:24
The utility has to be universal, you can use it everywhere.
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它必须是普适的,
你可以随处使用。
我来为大家提供一点 有关这些技术的片段。
13:27
I'm just giving you little flashes of the technology as we go along.
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这是一个日本的自动提款机,
13:30
That's a Japanese ATM,
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13:31
the fingerprint template is stored inside the mobile phone.
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指纹模板存储在手机里头。
13:34
So when you want to draw money out,
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如果你要取现金,
你可以把手机放在自动提款机上,
13:36
you put the phone on the ATM and touch your finger,
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按指印,
13:38
your fingerprint goes through to the phone,
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你的指纹就传送到手机。
13:40
the phone says, "Yes, that's whoever,"
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手机确认提款人身份后,
自动提款机就会把现金递给你。
13:42
and the ATM then gives you some money.
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13:44
It has to be a utility that you can use everywhere.
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这是一个你可以随处使用的功能,
13:47
It has to be absolutely convenient.
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而且它必须非常方便快捷。
13:49
That's me going into the pub.
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我要去酒吧,
13:52
All the device on the door of the pub is allowed is:
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酒吧入口的设备会检测是否许可进入,
依据我们是否满18岁。
13:55
Is this person over 18 and not barred from the pub?
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这个想法就是, 让你的身份证接触门,
13:59
And so the idea is, you touch your ID card to the door,
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如果它允许你进入, 就会显示你的照片;
14:02
and if I'm allowed in, it shows my picture,
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如果不能,就会给你一个红叉。
14:04
if I'm not, it shows a red cross.
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14:05
It doesn't disclose any other information.
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这并没有泄露你的其他信息,
它必须没有什么特别的配件。
14:08
It has to have no special gadgets.
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那就只意味着一件事,
14:09
That can only mean one thing, following on from Ross's statement,
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按照罗斯的声明往下说,
14:12
which I agree with completely: if it means no special gadgets,
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我完全同意其中的观点。
如果它没有什么特别配件,
就必须能在手机上运行。
14:15
it has to run on a mobile phone.
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这是我们的唯一选择:
14:17
That's the only choice we have, to make it work on mobile phones.
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得让它在手机上工作。
全球有66亿
14:20
There are 6.6 billion mobile phone subscriptions.
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手机用户,
我一直以来最喜欢的一个统计数字,
14:22
My favorite statistic of all time: only 4 billion toothbrushes in the world.
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是全世界只有40亿的牙刷。
它是有意义的,
14:26
That means something. I don't know what.
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只是我不知道是什么。
(笑声)
14:28
(Laughter)
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我指望未来学家告诉我。
14:29
I rely on our futurologists to tell me.
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14:31
It has to be a utility which is extensible.
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这必须是一个可扩展的功用,
是某种
14:33
So it has to be something that anybody could build on.
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任何人都能组建的功用。
每个人都要能使用这个基础框架,
14:36
Anybody should be able to use this infrastructure;
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而不需要任何许可、授权之类的。
14:38
you don't need permissions, licenses, whatever.
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14:40
Anyone should be able to write some code to do this.
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每个人都能写代码来做这件事。
14:45
Well, you know what symmetry is, so you don't need a picture of it.
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你知道对称性是什么,
所以不需要看图去理解。
14:48
This is how we're going to do it.
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我们就要这样去做,
我们用手机和移动感应
14:50
We're going to do it using phones and mobile proximity.
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完成这件事。
14:52
I'm going to suggest to you
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我想建议你们,
来实现神秘博士的通灵卡片,
14:54
the technology to implement Doctor Who's psychic paper is already here,
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其实所需技术早已存在。
14:57
and if any of you have got one of the new Barclay's debit cards
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如果你们任何人有这种 巴克莱银行新发行的、
15:00
with the contactless interface on it,
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具有非接触界面的借记卡,
你就已经拥有这种技术了。
15:02
you've already got that technology.
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如果你曾去过大城市,
15:04
Have you ever been up to the big city and used an Oyster card?
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用过交通卡,
这会对你有什么提示吗?
15:07
Does that ring a bell?
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15:09
The technology already exists.
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这种技术已经存在。
首批内置这项技术的手机
15:10
The first phones that have the technology built in --
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是Google Nexus,S2,
15:12
the Google Nexus, the S II, the Samsung Wave 578 --
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以及Samsung Wifi 7.9。
带有这些技术的手机
15:15
the first phones that have the technology built into them are already in the shops.
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已经在市面出售。
所以当天然气工人
15:19
So the idea that the gasman can turn up at my mum's door,
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出现在我母亲的门口,
15:22
and he can show my mum his phone,
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他出示他的手机,
15:24
and she can tap it with her phone,
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我母亲点一下自己的手机,
就可以知道他是不是 来自英国天然气公司,
15:26
and it'll come up with green if he really is from British Gas
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可不可以让他进来。
15:29
and allowed in,
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如果他不是,就会出现红叉。
15:30
and will come up with red if he isn't, end of story.
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就这么简单。
我们具备所需的技术,
15:32
We have the technology to do that.
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更重要的是,
15:34
And what's more,
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虽然有些事情有些匪夷所思,
15:35
although some of those things sound a bit counterintuitive,
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比如证明我年满 18 但不泄露我是谁,
15:38
like proving I'm over 18 without proving who I am,
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事实上相关加密技术不仅存在,
15:40
the cryptography to do that not only exists,
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而且非常普遍易懂。
15:42
it's extremely well-known and well-understood.
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数字签名、公钥证书,
15:44
Digital signatures, the blinding of public key certificates --
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这些技术已经存在有一阵子了,
15:47
these technologies have been around for a while,
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只是我们还没能把它们打包起来。
15:50
we've just had no way of packaging them up.
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这些技术存在,
15:52
So the technology already exists.
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15:53
We know it works.
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而且有效。
有一些此类技术
15:57
There are a few examples of the technology being used
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被用在实验环境中,
15:59
in experimental places.
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16:00
That's London Fashion Week,
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在伦敦时装周,
我们建了一个“氧气”系统,
16:02
where we built a system with O2.
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用在海德公园的无线盛会。
16:04
That's for the Wireless Festival in Hyde Park.
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16:06
You can see the person's walking in with their VIP band,
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你可以看见人们
带着他们的VIP卡走进去,
16:09
it's being checked by the Nokia phone that's reading the band.
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它正在检查,
通过Nokia手机读取VIP卡的信息。
我讲这些只是为了告诉大家,
16:12
I'm only putting those up to show you these things are prosaic,
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这一切都不足为奇。
能在这样的环境中运作,
16:15
this stuff works in these environments.
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其实没什么特别之处。
最后,我知道你可以做到这些,
16:17
They don't need to be special.
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16:18
So finally, I know that you can do this,
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如果你看过神秘博士,
16:24
because if you saw the Easter special of Doctor Who,
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复活节特辑的那一集,
16:28
where he went to Mars in a bus --
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他乘公车去火星,
我必须为在场的外籍学生 再次解释一遍,
16:32
I should say, again, for our foreign students:
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这不是每一集都有的。
16:34
that doesn't happen in every episode.
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这是一个特例。
16:36
This was a very special case.
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他在一辆伦敦公车上前往火星的那集,
16:37
So in the episode where he goes to Mars in a London bus --
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我没法给你们看剪辑,
16:40
I can't show you the clip,
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因为被 BBC 像安妮皇后一般
16:42
due to the outrageous restrictions of Queen Anne-style copyright
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严格地控制着版权。
16:45
by the BBC --
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16:46
but in the episode where he goes to Mars in a London bus,
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在那一集, 神秘博士坐着伦敦公车去火星,
16:49
Doctor Who is clearly shown getting onto the bus
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你能清楚看到他上了公交车,
16:53
with the Oyster card reader
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在那个交通卡读卡器上,
16:54
using his psychic paper.
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通过他的通灵卡片使用了特异功能。
16:56
Which proves that psychic paper has an NFC interface.
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这证实了这个通灵卡片,
有一个MSE(移动服务引擎)的接口。
16:59
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢!
17:01
(Applause)
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