A "living drug" that could change the way we treat cancer | Carl June

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翻译人员: Li Ying (Amelia) Hu 校对人员: Wanna Shi
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So this is the first time I've told this story in public,
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这是我第一次在公众场合
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the personal aspects of it.
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从个人层面来讲这件事。
约吉·贝拉(Yogi Berra)是一名 世界著名的棒球运动员,他曾说:
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Yogi Berra was a world-famous baseball player who said,
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"If you come to a fork in the road, take it."
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“当你遇到时机,请把握住它吧。”
一个多世纪以来, 研究人员一直在
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Researchers had been, for more than a century,
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studying the immune system as a way to fight cancer,
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研究用免疫系统来抗癌,
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and cancer vaccines have, unfortunately, been disappointing.
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但不幸的是,癌症疫苗 的开发一直不尽如人意。
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They've only worked in cancers caused by viruses,
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这些疫苗只对由病毒 引起的癌症起作用,
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like cervical cancer or liver cancer.
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如宫颈癌或肝癌,
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So cancer researchers basically gave up on the idea
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所以癌症研究人员 基本上放弃了
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of using the immune system to fight cancer.
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用免疫系统来抗癌的思路。
无论如何,免疫系统都没能 进化到足以抗癌的地步,
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And the immune system, in any case, did not evolve to fight cancer;
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it evolved to fight pathogens invading from the outside.
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只能对抗 外来入侵的病原体。
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So its job is to kill bacteria and viruses.
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它的职责就是 杀灭细菌和病毒。
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And the reason the immune system has trouble with most cancers
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免疫系统之所以难以 对抗大多数的癌症,
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is that it doesn't invade from the outside;
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是因为引起癌症的 并不是外来入侵的病原,
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it evolves from its own cells.
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而是人体自身细胞出现了癌变。
所以免疫系统 要么没有识别癌症,
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And so either the immune system does not recognize the cancer as a problem,
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要么既攻击癌细胞, 又攻击正常细胞,
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or it attacks a cancer and also our normal cells,
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leading to autoimmune diseases like colitis or multiple sclerosis.
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结果引发了自身免疫性疾病, 如结肠炎或多发性硬化症。
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So how do you get around that?
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那该怎么办呢?
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Our answer turned out to be synthetic immune systems
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我们的解决办法是 设计合成免疫系统,
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that are designed to recognize and kill cancer cells.
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用它来识别并杀死癌细胞。
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That's right -- I said a synthetic immune system.
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对,我说的是合成免疫系统,
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You do that with genetic engineering and synthetic biology.
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可以通过基因工程 和合成生物学来实现,
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We did it with the naturally occurring parts of the immune system,
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使用免疫系统中 自然产生的部分,
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called B cells and T cells.
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即 B 细胞和 T 细胞。
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These were our building blocks.
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这些是构建免疫系统的基本单位。
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T cells have evolved to kill cells infected with viruses,
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T 细胞可以杀死 染上病毒的细胞,
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and B cells are the cells that make antibodies that are secreted
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而 B 细胞则可以分泌出抗体,
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and then bind to kill bacteria.
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通过与细菌相结合来消灭细菌。
如果把这两种功能结合起来,
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Well, what if you combined these two functions
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in a way that was designed to repurpose them to fight cancer?
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改变其功能用来抗癌, 那会怎样?
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We realized it would be possible to insert the genes for antibodies
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我们发现,可以将 B 细胞的抗体基因
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from B cells into T cells.
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注入 T 细胞。
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So how do you do that?
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那该怎么做呢?
我们用一个艾滋病病毒(HIV) 作为特洛伊木马,
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Well, we used an HIV virus as a Trojan horse
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to get past the T cells' immune system.
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避开 T 细胞的免疫系统,
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The result is a chimera,
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结果造出了个喀迈拉(嵌合体),
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a fantastic fire-breathing creature from Greek mythology,
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那是古希腊故事中
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with a lion's head, a goat's body and a serpent's tail.
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狮头、羊身、蛇尾的吐火怪物。
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So we decided that the paradoxical thing that we had created
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我们用 B 细胞的抗体、 以 T 细胞为载体,
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with our B-cell antibodies, our T cells carrier
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以 HIV 为特洛伊木马造出了
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and the HIV Trojan horse
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一个自相矛盾的东西,
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should be called "Chimeric Antigen Receptor T cells," or CAR T cells.
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我们决定把它叫做 “嵌合抗原受体 T 细胞”或 CAR-T 细胞。
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The virus also inserts genetic information
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该病毒还插入了基因信息,
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to activate the T cells and program them into their killing mode.
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以激活 T 细胞,并将其编程, 使其进入杀灭模式。
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So when CAR T cells are injected into somebody with cancer,
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我们将 CAR-T 细胞 注入癌症患者体内,
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what happens when those CAR T cells see and bind to their tumor target?
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当这些细胞看到并粘附于 其肿瘤靶点,会发生什么?
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They act like supercharged killer T cells on steroids.
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它们就像类固醇上 强悍的 T 细胞杀手,
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They start this crash-defense buildup system in the body
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开始在体内建立防撞系统,
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and literally divide and multiply by the millions,
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分裂并繁殖出 数百万个细胞,
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where they then attack and kill the tumor.
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然后攻击 并杀死肿瘤细胞。
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All of this means that CAR T cells are the first living drug in medicine.
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这些都意味着 CAR-T 细胞 是医学史上首款活体药物。
CAR-T 细胞击破霉菌,
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CAR T cells break the mold.
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Unlike normal drugs that you take --
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它们不像患者服用的普通药物——
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they do their job and get metabolized, and then you have to take them again --
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普通药物在发挥药效后 会被代谢掉,然后患者得再服药,
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CAR T cells stay alive and on the job for years.
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而 CAR-T 细胞则可存活多年, 且药效很持久。
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We have had CAR T cells stay in the bodies of our cancer patients
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我们的癌症患者 其体内的 CAR-T 细胞
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now for more than eight years.
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至今已存活了 8 年多。
这些定制的癌症 T 细胞, 即 CAR-T 细胞,
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And these designer cancer T cells, CAR T cells,
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have a calculated half-life of more than 17 years.
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其半衰期预计超过 17 年,
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So one infusion can do the job;
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所以输一次药液就可以
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they stay on patrol for the rest of your life.
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守护病人的余生。
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This is the beginning of a new paradigm in medicine.
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这是医学新模式的开始。
但这种 T 细胞疗法 面临着一个巨大的挑战。
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Now, there was one major challenge to these T-cell infusions.
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The only source of T cells that will work in a patient
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能在患者体内 起作用的 T 细胞,
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are your own T cells,
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其唯一来源是 自体的 T 细胞,
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unless you happen to have an identical twin.
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除非患者碰巧 有个同卵双胞胎。
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So for most of us, we're out of luck.
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所以对于大多数人来说, 我们都没这么幸运。
所以为了创造 CAR-T 细胞,
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So what we did was to make CAR T cells.
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We had to learn to grow the patient's own T cells.
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我们得学会培育 患者自体的 T 细胞。
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And we developed a robust platform for this in the 1990s.
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20 世纪 90年代, 我们开发了一个强大的平台,
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Then in 1997, we first tested CAR T cells in patients
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1997 年,我们首次 在晚期艾滋病患者身上
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with advanced HIV-AIDS.
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测试了 CAR-T 细胞。
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And we found that those CAR T cells survived in the patients
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我们发现,这些 CAR-T 细胞在病人体内
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for more than a decade.
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存活了十多年。
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And it improved their immune system and decreased their viruses,
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它增强了患者的免疫系统, 并减少了病毒,
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but it didn't cure them.
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但它并没能治愈患者。
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So we went back to the laboratory, and over the next decade
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所以我们又回到实验室, 在接下来的十年里,
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made improvements to the CAR T cell design.
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我们改进了 CAR-T 细胞的设计。
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And by 2010, we began treating leukemia patients.
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到了 2010 年,我们开始 治疗白血病患者。
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And our team treated three patients
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2012 年,我们的团队治疗了
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with advanced chronic lymphocytic leukemia in 2012.
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三位晚期慢性 淋巴细胞白血病患者。
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It's a form of incurable leukemia
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这是一种无法治愈的白血病,
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that afflicts approximately 20,000 adults every year in the United States.
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在美国,每年折磨着约两万名成人。
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The first patient that we treated was a retired Marine sergeant
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我们治疗的第一位病人
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and a prison corrections officer.
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是位退役海军中士、前狱警,
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He had only weeks to live
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他只有几周可活了,
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and had, in fact, already paid for his funeral.
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实际上,他已经为自己 筹备好了葬礼。
在给他注入了 CAR-T 细胞后, 几天内,他发起了高烧,
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The cells were infused, and within days, he had high fevers.
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He developed multiple organ failures,
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多个器官开始衰竭,
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was transferred to the ICU and was comatose.
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被转到重症监护室, 他昏迷不醒。
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We thought he would die,
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我们以为他要死了,
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and, in fact, he was given last rites.
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他接受了临终祷告。
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But then, another fork in the road happened.
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但后来出现了转机,
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So, around 28 days after the CAR T cell infusion,
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在注射了 CAR-T 细胞 大约 28 天后,
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he woke up,
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他醒了,
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and the physicians finally examined him,
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医生给他做了最终检查,
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and the cancer was gone.
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他的癌症消失了,
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The big masses that had been there had melted.
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原来在那里的 大肿块已经消肿了,
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Bone marrow biopsies found no evidence of leukemia,
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骨髓活检未发现 白血病迹象。
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and that year, in our first three patients we treated,
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那一年,在我们首批治疗的 三位患者中,
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two of three have had durable remissions now for eight years,
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其中两位的病情持续缓解, 至今已八年了,
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and one had a partial remission.
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一位病情得到了部分缓解。
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The CAR T cells had attacked the leukemia in these patients
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这种 CAR-T 细胞攻击了 这些患者的白血病细胞,
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and had dissolved between 2.9 and 7.7 pounds of tumor in each patient.
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并且使每位患者的肿瘤 消减了 2.9-7.7 磅。
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Their bodies had become veritable bioreactors for these CAR T cells,
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他们的身体已经成为这些 CAR-T 细胞 名副其实的生物反应器,
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producing millions and millions of CAR T cells
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在骨髓、血液和肿瘤组织中
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in the bone marrow, blood and tumor masses.
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繁殖出数百万个 CAR-T 细胞。
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And we discovered that these CAR T cells can punch far above their weight class,
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用拳击来打个比方,我们发现, 这些 CAR-T 细胞可以与远远超过
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to use a boxing analogy.
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他们重量等级的对手对打。
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Just one CAR T cell can kill 1,000 tumor cells.
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一个 CAR-T 细胞就能杀死 1000 个肿瘤细胞,
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That's right -- it's a ratio of one to a thousand.
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没错,这是一对一千的比率。
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The CAR T cell and its daughter progeny cells
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CAR-T 细胞及其子代细胞
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can divide and divide and divide in the body
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可以在体内不断分裂,
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until the last tumor cell is gone.
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直到最后一个肿瘤细胞消失。
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There's no precedent for this in cancer medicine.
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这在癌症医学史上 前所未有。
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The first two patients who had full remission
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最先的两位病人的病情完全好转,
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remain today leukemia-free,
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至今一直 没再出现白血病细胞,
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and we think they are cured.
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我们相信, 他们已经痊愈了。
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These are people who had run out of options,
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他们用尽了 所有的传统方法,
均告无效, 他们一筹莫展,
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and by all traditional methods they had,
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they were like modern-day Lazarus cases.
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而现在他们就像是现代的拉撒路病例。 【注:泛指医学上“起死回生”的现象】
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All I can say is: thank goodness for those forks in the road.
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我只能说:谢天谢地,时来运转。
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Our next step was to get permission to treat children with acute leukemia,
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我们的下一步是要得到批准, 治疗儿童急性白血病,
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the most common form of cancer in kids.
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这是最常见的 儿童肿瘤性疾病。
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The first patient we enrolled on the trial was Emily Whitehead,
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我们收治第一位参加试验的病人 是艾米莉 · 怀特黑德(Emily Whitehead),
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and at that time, she was six years old.
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当时,她年仅六岁。
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She had gone through a series of chemotherapy
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在过去几年里,
她接受了 一系列的化疗和放疗,
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and radiation treatments over several years,
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and her leukemia had always come back.
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但她的白血病总是复发。
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In fact, it had come back three times.
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实际上,复发了三次。
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When we first saw her, Emily was very ill.
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我们第一次看到艾米丽时, 她病得很重。
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Her official diagnosis was advanced, incurable leukemia.
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她的正式诊断是 白血病晚期,没得治了,
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Cancer had invaded her bone marrow, her liver, her spleen.
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癌症细胞已侵入她的骨髓、 肝脏和脾脏。
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And when we infused her with the CAR T cells
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我们在 2012 年 4 月春
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in the spring of April 2012,
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为她进行了 CAR-T 细胞治疗,
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over the next few days, she did not get better.
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在接下来的日子里, 她的病情不见好转,
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She got worse, and in fact, much worse.
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反而每况愈下,事实上, 她的病情出现了恶化。
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As our prison corrections officer had in 2010,
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就像 2010 年那位狱警 所经历的那样,
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she, in 2012, was admitted to the ICU,
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2012 年, 她进了重症监护室,
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and this was the scariest fork in the whole road of this story.
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这是整个故事中 最可怕的一个关口。
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By day three, she was comatose and on life support
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到了第三天,她出现了 肾衰竭、肺衰竭,她昏迷不醒,
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for kidney failure, lung failure and coma.
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得靠仪器来维持生命,
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Her fever was as high as 106 degrees Fahrenheit for three days.
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她一连三天发高烧, 高达 41 摄氏度,
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And we didn't know what was causing those fevers.
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而我们却不知道 她发烧的原因。
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We did all the standard blood tests for infections,
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我们做了所有的 标准血液检查,排查感染,
08:41
and we could not find an infectious cause for her fever.
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却未发现引起 发烧的感染病因。
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But we did find something very unusual in her blood
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但我们的确在她的血液中 发现了异常,
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that had never been seen before in medicine.
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这在医学史上前所未见。
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She had elevated levels of a protein called interleukin-6, or IL-6,
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她血液里一种叫 白细胞介素-6(IL-6)的蛋白质
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in her blood.
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含量过高。
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It was, in fact, more than a thousandfold above the normal levels.
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事实上,比正常水平 高出一千多倍,
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And here's where yet another fork in the road came in.
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这又是一个关口。
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By sheer coincidence,
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非常巧合的是,
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one of my daughters has a form of pediatric arthritis.
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我有一个女儿得了小儿关节炎,
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And as a result, I had been following as a cancer doc,
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因此,作为一名癌症医生, 为了我的女儿,
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experimental therapies for arthritis for my daughter,
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我一直在关注 关节炎实验性疗法,
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in case she would need them.
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以备她会用到。
09:24
And it so happened that just months before Emily was admitted to the hospital,
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就在艾米丽入院前几个月, 美国食品药品监督管理局(FDA)
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a new therapy had been approved by the FDA
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批准了一种治疗
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to treat elevated levels of interleukin-6.
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白细胞介素-6含量过高的新疗法。
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And it was approved for the arthritis that my daughter had.
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这种疗法获得批准,用于治疗 我女儿所得的这类关节炎,
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It's called tocilizumab.
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名为 IL-6 受体单克隆抗体注射剂 (tocilizumab),
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And, in fact, it had just been added to the pharmacy at Emily's hospital,
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该药刚被添加到 艾米丽所住医院的药房,
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for arthritis.
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用来治疗关节炎。
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So when we found Emily had these very high levels of IL-6,
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所以当我们发现 艾米丽的 IL-6 含量这么高,
09:50
I called her doctors in the ICU and said,
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我打电话给她的重症监护室医生,
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"Why don't you treat her with this arthritis drug?"
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我说:“你不妨用这种关节炎药 给她治疗一下吧?”
09:56
They said I was a cowboy for suggesting that.
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他们说,我提这么个建议, 简直就是个莽夫。
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And since her fever and low blood pressure
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由于其他治疗
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had not responded to any other therapy,
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对她的高烧和低血压都没效,
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her doctor quickly asked permission to the institutional review board,
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她的医生很快向 机构审查委员会申请了许可,
10:08
her parents,
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并征求了她父母的同意,
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and everybody, of course, said yes.
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自然,大家都同意了。
10:11
And they tried it,
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于是他们尝试了这种药,
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and the results were nothing short of striking.
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结果疗效非常惊人。
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Within hours after treatment with tocilizumab,
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接受 IL-6 受体单克隆抗体治疗
10:19
Emily began to improve very rapidly.
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几个小时后, 艾米丽开始迅速好转。
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Twenty-three days after her treatment,
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治疗 23 天后,
她体内已经没有癌细胞了。
10:26
she was declared cancer-free.
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And today, she's 12 years old and still in remission.
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现在,她 12 岁了, 仍然在康复中。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
10:44
So we now call this violent reaction of the high fevers and coma,
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我们现在把这种在注入 CAR-T 细胞后出现高烧和昏迷
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following CAR T cells,
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的强列反应
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cytokine release syndrome, or CRS.
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称为细胞因子释放综合征(CRS)。
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We've found that it occurs in nearly all patients who respond to the therapy.
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我们发现,几乎所有对该治疗 有反应的病人都出现了这种症状,
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But it does not happen in those patients who fail to respond.
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但那些(对治疗)没有反应的病人 则没有这些症状。
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So paradoxically,
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所以这很矛盾,
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our patients now hope for these high fevers after therapy,
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现在,我们的病人在接受 CAR-T 细胞 治疗时,都希望能发高烧,
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which feels like "the worst flu in their life,"
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这种感觉就像是
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when they get CAR T-cell therapies.
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“得了有生以来最严重的流感”。
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They hope for this reaction
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他们希望有这种反应,
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because they know it's part of the twisting and turning path
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因为他们知道这是迈向 恢复健康之路上
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back to health.
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必经的坎坷与曲折。
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Unfortunately, not every patient recovers.
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不幸的是, 并不是每位病人都能康复。
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Patients who do not get CRS are often those who are not cured.
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没有出现 CRS 症状的病人 通常无法治愈。
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So there's a strong link now between CRS
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所以 CRS 与免疫系统
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and the ability of the immune system to eradicate leukemia.
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清除白血病细胞的能力 紧密相关。
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That's why last summer,
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所以,去年夏天,
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when the FDA approved CAR T cells for leukemia,
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FDA 在批准用 CAR-T 细胞 治疗白血病时,
还批准了使用 IL-6 受体单克隆抗体注射剂 来阻断这些患者出现的 IL-6 影响
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they also co-approved the use of tocilizumab to block the IL-6 effects
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and the accompanying CRS in these patients.
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和伴随而来的 CRS 症状。
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That was a very unusual event in medical history.
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这在医学史上极不寻常。
11:54
Emily's doctors have now completed further trials
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艾米丽的医生们已经 完成了进一步的试验,
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and reported that 27 out of 30 patients, the first 30 we treated,
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并在报告中指出,在首批治疗的 30 位病人中,有 27 位,
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or 90 percent,
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或者说 90% 的病人,
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had a complete remission
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在用 CAR-T 细胞 治疗后的一个月内,
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after CAR T cells, within a month.
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病情得到了完全缓解。
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A 90 percent complete remission rate in patients with advanced cancer
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晚期癌症患者病情 完全缓解率达 90%,
12:15
is unheard of
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这在 50 多年的癌症研究中
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in more than 50 years of cancer research.
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闻所未闻。
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In fact, companies often declare success in a cancer trial
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事实上,如果癌症试验的结果 有 15% 的患者获得完全缓解,
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if 15 percent of the patients had a complete response rate.
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制药公司一般就会 宣布该癌症试验成功。
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A remarkable study appeared in the "New England Journal of Medicine" in 2013.
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2013 年,《新英格兰医学杂志》 发表了一项令人瞩目的研究。
12:32
An international study has since confirmed those results.
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此后,一项国际性研究 证实了这些研究结果。
12:36
And that led to the approval by the FDA
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FDA 因而于 2017 年 8 月批准了
12:40
for pediatric and young adult leukemia in August of 2017.
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将该疗法用于治疗 儿童和年轻人的白血病。
12:45
So as a first-ever approval of a cell and gene therapy,
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作为首个获得批准的 细胞与基因疗法,
12:48
CAR T-cell therapy has also been tested now
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CAR-T 细胞疗法现在 也已用于试验性
12:50
in adults with refractory lymphoma.
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治疗患有难治性淋巴瘤的成年人。
12:53
This disease afflicts about 20,000 a year in the United States.
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这种疾病每年折磨着 近 2 万名美国患者,
治疗结果也同样令人瞩目, 且效果持久至今。
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The results were equally impressive and have been durable to date.
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And six months ago, the FDA approved the therapy of this advanced lymphoma
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六个月前,FDA 批准了 用 CAR-T 细胞
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with CAR T cells.
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治疗晚期淋巴瘤。
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So now there are many labs and physicians and scientists around the world
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现在世界上有很多实验室、 医生和科学家都在
试用 CAR-T 细胞
13:14
who have tested CAR T cells
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across many different diseases,
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治疗许多不同的疾病,
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and understandably, we're all thrilled with the rapid pace of advancement.
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毫无疑问,我们大家都 为迅猛的进展感到振奋。
13:23
We're so grateful to see patients who were formerly terminal
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我们很高兴看到, 那些以前得了绝症的病人,
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return to healthy lives, as Emily has.
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像艾米丽一样康复, 健康地生活。
13:30
We're thrilled to see long remissions that may, in fact, be a cure.
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我们很兴奋地看到,病情长期 得到缓解,实际上可能是治愈了。
13:34
At the same time, we're also concerned about the financial cost.
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同时,我们也在关注着医疗费。
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It can cost up to 150,000 dollars to make the CAR T cells for each patient.
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为一位病人合成 CAR-T 细胞的 费用高达 15 万美元,
13:43
And when you add in the cost of treating CRS and other complications,
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加上治疗 CRS 和 其他并发症的费用,
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the cost can reach one million dollars per patient.
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每个病人的治疗费 高达一百万美元。
13:51
We must remember that the cost of failure, though, is even worse.
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但是,我们还要记住, 如果治疗失败,费用会更高。
13:55
The current noncurative therapies for cancer are also expensive
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目前,对癌症无疗效的治疗 费用也十分高昂,
13:58
and, in addition, the patient dies.
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而且病人依然会面临死亡。
14:01
So, of course, we'd like to see research done now
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我们当然希望看到 我们现在所做的研究
14:04
to make this more efficient
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能更有效,
并让所有病人 都能付得起治疗费。
14:08
and increase affordability to all patients.
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14:11
Fortunately, this is a new and evolving field,
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所幸,这是个新领域, 仍在不断地发展,
14:13
and as with many other new therapies and services,
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随着许多其他 新疗法和服务的出现,
14:16
prices will come down as industry learns to do things more efficiently.
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行业效率会提高, 治疗价格会下降。
14:21
When I think about all the forks in the road
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我想着这一路走来, 在研制 CAR-T 细胞治疗中
14:23
that have led to CAR T-cell therapy,
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所遇到的各种重大关头,
14:25
there is one thing that strikes me as very important.
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有一件事我觉得非常重要。
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We're reminded that discoveries of this magnitude don't happen overnight.
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我们意识到,这些重大发现 并非一蹴而就。
14:33
CAR T-cell therapies came to us after a 30-year journey,
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我们花了 30 年, CAR-T 细胞疗法才得以问世,
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along a road full of setbacks and surprises.
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这一路走来,虽道路曲折, 但不乏惊喜。
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In all this world of instant gratification
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当今世界, 人们追求即时满足,
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and 24/7, on-demand results,
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全天候按需出结果,
14:46
scientists require persistence, vision and patience
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在这样的世界里,科学家需要 坚持不懈、有远见、有耐心,
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to rise above all that.
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才能战胜这一切,
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They can see that the fork in the road is not always a dilemma or a detour;
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才能看清,岔道口并不总是 进退两难的困境,或者要绕道而行;
14:57
sometimes, even though we may not know it at the time,
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有时,在当时可能还不知道,
15:01
the fork is the way home.
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这个路口就是通往成功之路。
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Thank you very much.
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感谢大家。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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