How judges can show respect | Victoria Pratt

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Prevodilac: Kristina Radosavljević Lektor: Ivana Krivokuća
00:13
"Judge, I want to tell you something. I want to tell you something.
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„Sudijo, želim da vam kažem nešto. Želim nešto da vam kažem.
00:16
I been watching you
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Posmatrala sam vas.
00:18
and you're not two-faced.
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Vi niste dvolični.
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You treat everybody the same."
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Vi sve tretirate jednako.“
00:23
That was said to me by a transgender prostitute
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To mi je rekla transrodna prostitutka,
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who before I had gotten on the bench
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koja je, pre nego što sam došla na stolicu za sudije,
00:29
had fired her public defender,
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otpustila svog javnog branioca,
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insulted the court officer
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izvređala sudskog policajca
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and yelled at the person sitting next to her,
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i izvikala se na osobu koja je sedela pored nje:
00:36
"I don't know what you're looking at. I look better than the girl you're with."
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„Ne znam u šta gledaš. Ja izgledam bolje nego devojka sa kojom si.“
00:39
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:41
She said this to me
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To mi je rekla
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after I said her male name low enough
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nakon što sam njeno muško ime izgovorila dovoljno tiho,
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so that it could be picked up by the record,
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da bi moglo biti zabeleženo,
00:49
but I said her female name loud enough
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a njeno žensko ime dovoljno glasno
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so that she could walk down the aisle towards counselor's table with dignity.
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da bi mogla da sa dostojanstvom došeta prolazom do savetnikovog stola.
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This is procedural justice, also known as procedural fairness,
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Ovo se zove proceduralna pravda, poznato i kao proceduralna pravičnost,
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at its best.
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u svom najboljem obliku.
01:01
You see, I am the daughter of an African-American garbageman
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Vidite, ja sam ćerka Afroamerikanca koji je bio smećar,
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who was born in Harlem
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koji je rođen u Harlemu
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and spent his summers in the segregated South.
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i koji je provodio leta na rasno podeljenom jugu.
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Soy la hija de una peluquera dominicana.
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Soy la hija de una peluquera dominicana.
01:12
I do that to make sure you're still paying attention.
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Ovo sam uradila samo da proverim da li me pažljivo slušate.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:16
I'm the daughter of a Dominican beautician
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Ćerka sam dominikanske kozmetičarke,
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who came to this country for a better life for her unborn children.
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koja je došla u ovu zemlju u potrazi za boljim životom za svoju nerođenu decu.
01:22
My parents taught me, you treat everyone you meet with dignity and respect,
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Roditelji su me učili: ophodi se prema svima
sa dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
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no matter how they look, no matter how they dress,
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bez obzira na to kako izgledaju, šta imaju obučeno,
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no matter how they spoke.
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bez obzira na to kako govore.
01:31
You see, the principles of fairness
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Vidite, principi pravičnosti
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were taught to me at an early age,
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su usađeni u mene na ranom uzrastu,
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and unbeknownst to me, it would be the most important lesson
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i nisam bila svesna da je to bila najvažnija lekcija
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that I carried with me to the Newark Municipal Court bench.
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koju ću doneti sa sobom na stolicu za sudiju Opštinskog suda u Njuarku.
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And because I was dragged off the playground
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Zbog toga što su me dovlačili sa igrališta sa samo 10 godina
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at the early age of 10 to translate for family members
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da prevodim svojim članovima porodice
01:51
as they began to migrate to the United States,
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kada su počeli da migriraju u Sjedinjene Američke Države,
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I understand how daunting it can be for a person, a novice,
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ja razumem koliko obeshrabrujuće za neku osobu, početnika,
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to navigate any government system.
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može biti snalaženje kroz bilo koji državni sistem.
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Every day across America and around the globe,
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Svakog dana, širom Amerike i cele planete,
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people encounter our courts,
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ljudi se susreću sa sudovima,
02:08
and it is a place that is foreign, intimidating
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a to je mesto koje je nepoznato,
zastrašujuće i često neprijateljski nastrojeno prema njima.
02:11
and often hostile towards them.
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02:15
They are confused about the nature of their charges,
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Oni su zbunjeni prirodom njihovih optužbi,
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annoyed about their encounters with the police
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iznervirani zbog svog susreta sa policijom
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and facing consequences that might impact their relationships, their finances
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i suočeni sa posledicama koje mogu uticati na njihove odnose, njihove finansije,
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and even their liberty.
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čak i njihovu slobodu.
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Let me paint a picture for you
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Dozvolite mi da vam dočaram
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of what it's like for the average person who encounters our courts.
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kako prosečnoj osobi izgleda susret sa sudom.
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First, they're annoyed as they're probed going through court security.
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Prvo, iznervirani su jer ih pretresaju dok prolaze kroz sudsko obezbeđenje.
02:40
They finally get through court security, they walk around the building,
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Konačno prolaze kroz sudsko obezbeđenje,
šetaju po zgradi, pitaju različite ljude ista pitanja
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they ask different people the same question
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02:46
and get different answers.
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i dobijaju različite odgovore.
02:49
When they finally get to where they're supposed to be,
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Kada konačno dođu do mesta gde bi trebali da budu,
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it gets really bad when they encounter the courts.
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postaje veoma loše kada se susreću sa sudom.
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What would you think if I told you
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Šta biste rekli kada bih vam rekla
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that you could improve people's court experience,
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da postoji način da se poboljša ljudsko iskustvo sa sudovima,
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increase their compliance with the law
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poveća njihovo pridržavanje zakona
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and court orders,
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i sudskih poziva,
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all the while increasing the public's trust
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i istovremeno poveća poverenje javnosti
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in the justice system
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u pravosudni sistem
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with a simple idea?
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jednom jednostavnom idejom?
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Well, that simple idea is procedural justice
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Ta jednostavna ideja je proceduralna pravda
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and it's a concept that says
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i to je koncept koji kaže da,
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that if people perceive they are treated fairly
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ako ljudi doživljavaju da se prema njima ophodi pravedno,
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and with dignity and respect,
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sa dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
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they'll obey the law.
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oni će poštovati zakon.
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Well, that's what Yale professor Tom Tyler found
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To je ono što je profesor Tom Tajler sa Jejla shvatio
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when he began to study as far back in the '70s
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kada je počeo da izučava još '70-ih godina
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why people obey the law.
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zašto ljudi poštuju zakon.
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He found that if people see the justice system
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On je pronašao da, ukoliko ljudi vide pravosudni sistem
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as a legitimate authority to impose rules and regulations,
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kao legitiman autoritet koji nameće pravila i propise,
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they would follow them.
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oni će ih pratiti.
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His research concluded
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Zaključak njegovog istraživanja je bio
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that people would be satisfied
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da bi ljudi bili zadovoljni
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with the judge's rulings,
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sudskim presudama,
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even when the judge ruled against them,
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čak i ako je sudija presudio na njihovu štetu,
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if they perceived that they were treated fairly
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ukoliko vide da su prema njima postupali pravedno,
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and with dignity and respect.
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sa dostojanstvom i poštovanjem.
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And that perception of fairness begins with what?
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A čime počinje ta procena pravičnosti?
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Begins with how judges speak to court participants.
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Počinje obraćanjem sudije učesnicima suda.
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Now, being a judge
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Biti sudija ponekad deluje
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is sometimes like having a reserve seat to a tragic reality show
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kao da imate rezervisano mesto za neki tragični rijaliti šou
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that has no commercial interruptions
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u kome nema prekida za reklame
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and no season finale.
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niti završne epizode.
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It's true.
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Istina.
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People come before me handcuffed,
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Ljudi pred mene dolaze sa lisicama,
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drug-sick, depressed, hungry
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ovisni o drogama, depresivni, gladni
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and mentally ill.
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i mentalno bolesni.
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When I saw that their need for help
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Kada sam videla da je njihova potreba za pomoći
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was greater than my fear of appearing vulnerable on the bench,
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veća nego moj strah od toga da ispadnem ranjiva kao sudija,
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I realized that not only did I need to do something,
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shvatila sam da ne samo da treba nešto da uradim,
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but that in fact I could do something.
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nego da, u suštini, mogu nešto da uradim.
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The good news is is that the principles of procedural justice are easy
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Dobra vest je da su principi proceduralne pravde jednostavni
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and can be implemented as quickly as tomorrow.
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i mogu biti primenjeni koliko sutra.
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The even better news, that it can be done for free.
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A još bolje vesti su da to ne košta ništa.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:51
The first principle is voice.
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Prvi princip je glas.
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Give people an opportunity to speak,
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Dajte ljudima priliku da govore,
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even when you're not going to let them speak.
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čak i kada im ne dozvolite da govore.
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Explain it.
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Objasnite im.
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"Sir, I'm not letting you speak right now.
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„Gospodine, neću vam dozvoliti da govorite sada.
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You don't have an attorney.
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Nemate advokata.
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I don't want you to say anything that's going to hurt your case."
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Ne želim da kažete nešto što će štetiti vašem slučaju.“
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For me, assigning essays to defendants
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Za mene je zadavanje eseja optuženima
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has been a tremendous way of giving them voice.
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bilo sjajan način davanja glasa.
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I recently gave an 18-year-old college student an essay.
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Nedavno sam dala jednom studentu od 18 godina da napiše esej.
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He lamented his underage drinking charge.
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Izražavao je žaljenje zbog optužbi za maloletničko konzumiranje alkohola.
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As he stood before me reading his essay,
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Dok je stajao preda mnom i čitao svoj esej,
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his voice cracking and his hands trembling,
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dok je gubio glas i ruke su mu drhtale,
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he said that he worried that he had become an alcoholic like his mom,
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rekao je da se boji da će postati alkoholičar, kao njegova mama,
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who had died a couple of months prior due to alcohol-related liver disease.
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koja je umrla nekoliko meseci ranije od bolesti jetre uzrokovane alkoholom.
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You see, assigning a letter to my father, a letter to my son,
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Vidite, dodeljivanje zadataka kao što su pismo mom ocu, pismo mom sinu:
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"If I knew then what I know now ..."
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„Da sam onda znao ono što sada znam...“
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"If I believed one positive thing about myself,
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„Da sam verovao u jednu jedinu pozitivnu stvar o sebi,
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how would my life be different?"
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kako bi drugačiji moj život bio?“
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gives the person an opportunity to be introspective,
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daje mogućnost osobi da bude introspektivna,
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go on the inside,
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da pronikne u sebe,
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which is where all the answers are anyway.
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gde se ionako nalaze svi odgovori.
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But it also gives them an opportunity
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U isto vreme, daje im mogućnost
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to share something with the court that goes beyond their criminal record
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da podele sa sudom nešto što zadire izvan njihovog kriminalnog dosijea
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and their charges.
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i njihovih optužbi.
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The next principle is neutrality.
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Sledeći princip je neutralnost.
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When increasing public trust in the justice system,
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Kada povećavate poverenje javnosti u pravosudni sistem,
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neutrality is paramount.
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neutralnost je najvažnija.
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The judge cannot be perceived to be favoring one side over the other.
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Sudija se ne može doživeti kao neko ko favorizuje jednu stranu naspram druge.
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The judge has to make a conscious decision not to say things like,
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Sudija mora da donese svesnu odluku da ne izgovara reči kao što su:
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"my officer," "my prosecutor," "my defense attorney."
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„moj policajac“, „moj tužilac“, „moj branilac“.
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And this is challenging when we work in environments
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A to je jako teško kada radimo u okruženju
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where you have people assigned to your courts,
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u kome imate ljude koji su dodeljeni sudu,
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the same people coming in and out of your courts as well.
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a to su jedni te isti ljudi koji ulaze i izlaze iz vaše sudnice.
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When I think of neutrality,
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Kada razmišljam o neutralnosti,
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I'm reminded of when I was a new Rutgers Law grad
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setim se kada sam bila novopečeni diplomac Ratgersove škole za pravo
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and freshly minted attorney,
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i sveže potkovani advokat,
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and I entered an arbitration and I was greeted by two grey-haired men
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i kada sam ušla u arbitražu gde su me pozdravila dva seda muškarca
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who were joking about the last game of golf they played together
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koji su se šalili na račun poslednje partije golfa koju su zajedno odigrali
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and planning future social outings.
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i planirali buduće zajedničko druženje.
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I knew my client couldn't get a fair shot in that forum.
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Znala sam da moj klijent ne bi mogao da se tretira pravično na tom skupu.
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The next principle is understand.
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Sledeći princip je razumevanje.
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It is critical that court participants understand the process,
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Ključno je da učesnici u sudu razumeju proces,
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the consequences of the process
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posledice procesa
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and what's expected of them.
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i šta se očekuje od njih.
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I like to say that legalese is the language we use to confuse.
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Ja volim da kažem da je pravnički jezik jezik koji koristimo da bismo zbunjivali.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:13
I am keenly aware that the people who appear before me,
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Ja sam veoma svesna da ljudi koji se pojave preda mnom,
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many of them have very little education
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mnogi od njih, imaju veoma nisko obrazovanje,
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and English is often their second language.
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a engleski je često njihov drugi jezik.
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So I speak plain English in court.
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Zato ja pričam jednostavan engleski u sudu.
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A great example of this was when I was a young judge --
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Dobar primer za ovo je kada sam bila mladi sudija -
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oh no, I mean younger judge.
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ne, mislila sam, mlađi sudija,
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:29
When I was a younger judge, a senior judge comes to me,
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Kada sam bila mlađi sudija, stariji sudija je došao do mene,
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gives me a script and says,
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dao mi skripte i rekao:
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"If you think somebody has mental health issues,
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„Ako misliš da neko ima mentalnih problema,
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ask them these questions and you can get your evaluation."
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pitaj ih ova pitanja i na osnovu njih možeš dati svoju procenu.“
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So the first time I saw someone
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Tako, prvi put kada sam videla nekog
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who had what I thought was a mental health issue,
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koji je imao ono što sam mislila da je mentalni problem,
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I went for my script and I started to ask questions.
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potražila sam svoje skripte i počela postavljati pitanja:
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"Um, sir, do you take psycho -- um, psychotrop --
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„Hm, gospodine, da li uzimate psiho... hm... psihotrop...
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psychotropic medication?"
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psihotropne lekove?“
07:50
"Nope."
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„ Jok.“
07:52
"Uh, sir, have you treated with a psychiatrist before?"
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„Gospodine, da li ste ranije bili lečeni kod psihijatra?“
07:56
"Nope."
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„Jok.“
07:57
But it was obvious that the person was suffering from mental illness.
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Ali bilo je sasvim očigledno da je osoba patila od nekog oblika mentalne bolesti.
08:01
One day, in my frustration, I decided to scrap the script and ask one question.
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Jednog dana, isfrustrirana, rešila sam da bacim skriptu i pitam jedno pitanje:
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"Ma'am, do you take medication to clear your mind?"
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„Gospođo, je l' uzimate lekove da razbistrite mozak?“
08:08
"Yeah, judge, I take Haldol for my schizophrenia,
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„Da, sudijo, uzimam Haldol za moju šizofreniju,
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Xanax for my anxiety."
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Zanaks za moju anksioznost.“
08:13
The question works even when it doesn't.
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Pitanje funkcioniše čak i kad ne funkcioniše.
08:15
"Mr. L, do you take medication to clear your mind?"
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„Gospodine L, da li uzimate lekove da razbistrite mozak?“
08:18
"No, judge, I don't take no medication to clear my mind.
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„Ne sudijo, ne uzimam lekove da bih razbistrio mozak,
08:21
I take medication to stop the voices in my head,
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ja uzimam lekove da zaustavim glasove u glavi,
08:23
but my mind is fine."
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ali moj mozak je dobro.“
08:25
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:26
You see, once people understand the question,
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Vidite, kad ljudi razumeju pitanje,
08:29
they can give you valuable information
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oni vam mogu dati vredne informacije
08:31
that allows the court to make meaningful decisions
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koje omogućavaju sudu da donosi svrsishodne odluke
08:34
about the cases that are before them.
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o slučajevima koji se pred njima nalaze.
08:36
The last principle is respect,
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Poslednji princip je poštovanje,
08:39
that without it none of the other principles can work.
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bez koga ne bi funkcionisao nijedan od prethodnih principa.
08:43
Now, respect can be as simple as,
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E sad, poštovanje može biti i samo:
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"Good afternoon, sir." "Good morning, ma'am."
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„Dobar dan, gospodine“ „Dobro jutro, gospođo.“
08:49
It's looking the person in the eye who is standing before you,
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To je gledanje u oči osobi koja stoji pred vama,
08:52
especially when you're sentencing them.
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posebno kada im izričete kaznu.
08:55
It's when I say, "Um, how are you doing today?
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To je kada kažem: „Hm, kako ste danas?
08:57
And what's going on with you?"
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Šta se to dešava kod vas?"
08:58
And not as a greeting,
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I to ne izgovoreno kao da pozdravljam,
09:00
but as someone who is actually interested in the response.
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nego kao neko koga stvarno interesuje odgovor.
09:03
Respect is the difference between saying,
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Poštovanje je razlika između izgovorenog:
09:06
"Ma'am, are you having difficulty
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„Gospođo, imate li poteškoća
09:08
understanding the information in the paperwork?"
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sa razumevanjem informacija u tim papirima?“
09:10
versus, "You can read and write, can't you?"
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nasuprot: „Umete da čitate i pišete, zar ne?“
09:13
when you've realized there's a literacy issue.
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kada shvatite da postoji problem sa pismenošću.
09:16
And the good thing about respect is that it's contagious.
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A dobra stvar sa poštovanjem jeste što je ono zarazno.
09:19
People see you being respectful to other folks
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Ljudi vide da vi poštujete druge ljude,
09:21
and they impute that respect to themselves.
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pa i oni pripisuju to poštovanje sebi samima.
09:23
You see, that's what the transgender prostitute was telling me.
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Vidite, to je upravo ono što mi je transrodna prostitutka govorila.
09:27
I'm judging you just as much as you think you may be judging me.
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Ja sudim tebi isto koliko ti misliš da možeš suditi meni.
09:31
Now, I am not telling you what I think,
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Ja vam ne govorim svoje mišljenje,
09:33
I am telling you what I have lived,
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govorim vam ono što sam doživela,
09:36
using procedural justice to change the culture at my courthouse
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koristeći proceduralnu pravdu da bih promenila kulturu u svom sudu
09:40
and in the courtroom.
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i u sudnici.
09:42
After sitting comfortably for seven months
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Nakon udobnog sedenja tokom sedam meseci
09:45
as a traffic court judge,
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kao sudija za saobraćajne prekršaje,
09:47
I was advised that I was being moved to the criminal court,
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upućena sam na premeštaj u krivični sud,
09:51
Part Two, criminal courtroom.
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u krivičnu sudnicu „Drugi deo“.
09:55
Now, I need you to understand,
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Morate razumeti,
09:56
this was not good news.
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ovo nije bila dobra vest.
09:58
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
09:59
It was not.
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Nije.
10:01
Part Two was known as the worst courtroom in the city,
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„Drugi deo" je bio poznat kao najgora sudnica u gradu,
10:04
some folks would even say in the state.
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a neki bi čak rekli i u celoj državi.
10:07
It was your typical urban courtroom with revolving door justice,
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To je bila tipična urbana sudnica sa jednim istim ljudima,
10:11
you know, your regular lineup of low-level offenders --
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znate, standardno vam se ređaju sitni prestupnici -
10:14
you know, the low-hanging fruit,
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znate, sitni kriminalci,
10:16
the drug-addicted prostitute,
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prostitutke ovisne od droge,
10:19
the mentally ill homeless person with quality-of-life tickets,
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mentalno bolesni beskućnici sa kaznama zbog ugrožavanja kvaliteta života,
10:23
the high school dropout petty drug dealer and the misguided young people --
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srednjoškolac koji je napustio školu i postao diler droge
i mladi ljudi koji su skrenuli sa pravog puta -
10:28
you know, those folks doing a life sentence
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znate, oni koji služe doživotnu robiju,
10:31
30 days at a time.
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svaki put po 30 dana.
10:34
Fortunately, the City of Newark decided that Newarkers deserved better,
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Na sreću, Grad Njuark je odlučio da stanovnici Njuarka zaslužuju bolje,
10:37
and they partnered with the Center for Court Innovation
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te su postali partneri sa Centrom za inovacije sudova
10:40
and the New Jersey Judiciary
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i pravosuđem Nju Džersija,
10:42
to create Newark Community Solutions,
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u cilju stvaranja rešenja za zajednicu Njuarka,
10:44
a community court program
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sudskog programa u zajednici,
10:46
that provided alternative sanctions.
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koji obezbeđuje alternativne sankcije.
10:49
This means now a judge
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To znači da sad sudija
10:52
can sentence a defendant to punishment with assistance.
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može okrivljenom izreći kaznu uz dodeljenu pomoć.
10:56
So a defendant who would otherwise get a jail sentence
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Po tome, okrivljeni koji bi u suprotnom dobio kaznu zatvora,
10:58
would now be able to get individual counseling sessions,
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sad je bio u mogućnosti da dobije individualne savetodavne seanse,
11:01
group counseling sessions as well as community giveback,
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grupne savetodavne seanse, kao i da se oduže zajednici,
11:04
which is what we call community service.
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što zovemo društveno koristan rad.
11:06
The only problem is that this wonderful program
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Jedini problem je što ovaj divan program
11:09
was now coming to Newark and was going to be housed where?
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sad dolazi u Njuark i biće primenjen gde?
11:12
Part Two criminal courtroom.
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Krivična sudnica „Drugi deo“.
11:15
And the attitudes there were terrible.
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A ponašanje tamo je bilo strašno.
11:17
And the reason that the attitudes were terrible there
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A razlog što je ponašanje tamo bilo strašno
11:20
was because everyone who was sent there
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je zato što je svako ko je poslat tamo shvatao da je tamo poslat po kazni.
11:22
understood they were being sent there as punishment.
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11:24
The officers who were facing disciplinary actions at times,
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Policajci koji su povremeno imali disciplinske mere,
11:28
the public defender and prosecutor
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javni pravobranilac i tužilac
11:30
felt like they were doing a 30-day jail sentence on their rotation,
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su se osećali kao da služe zatvorsku kaznu svakih 30 dana,
11:35
the judges understood they were being hazed
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sudije su znale da su im zadali težak zadatak
11:37
just like a college sorority or fraternity.
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kao u bratstvu ili sestrinstvu na koledžu.
11:42
I was once told that an attorney who worked there
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Jednom mi je rečeno da se advokat koji je radio tu
11:44
referred to the defendants as "the scum of the earth"
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govorio o optuženima kao o „svetskom šljamu“
11:48
and then had to represent them.
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a onda je morao da ih zastupa.
11:51
I would hear things from folks like,
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Slušala sam priče od drugih:
11:53
"Oh, how could you work with those people? They're so nasty.
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„O, kako možeš raditi sa tim ljudima? Oni su grozni.
11:55
You're a judge, not a social worker."
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Ti si sudija, nisi socijalni radnik.“
11:58
But the reality is that as a society, we criminalize social ills,
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Ali realnost je da mi kao društvo kriminalizujemo društvene bolesti,
12:02
then sent people to a judge and say, "Do something."
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onda šaljemo ljude kod sudija i kažemo: „Učini nešto.“
12:06
I decided that I was going to lead by example.
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Ja sam odlučila da ću voditi primerom.
12:08
So my first foray into the approach came when a 60-something-year-old man
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Dakle, moj prvi pokušaj ovog pristupa bio je kad se muškarac u šezdesetim
12:12
appeared before me handcuffed.
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pojavio preda mnom sa lisicama.
12:14
His head was lowered and his body was showing the signs of drug withdrawal.
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Imao je spuštenu glavu a njegovo telo je pokazivalo znakove narkomanske krize.
12:19
I asked him how long he had been addicted, and he said, "30 years."
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Pitala sam ga koliko dugo je ovisnik, a on mi je odgovorio: „30 godina.“
12:23
And I asked him, "Do you have any kids?"
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Onda sam ga pitala: „Da li imate dece?“
12:26
And he said, "Yeah, I have a 32-year-old son."
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„Da, imam sina koji ima 32 godine“, odgovorio je.
12:29
And I said, "Oh, so you've never had the opportunity
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A onda sam ja rekla: „O, znači, vi nikad niste imali priliku
12:32
to be a father to your son because of your addiction."
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da budete otac svome sinu, zbog svoje ovisnosti.“
12:36
He began to cry.
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Počeo je da plače.
12:38
I said, "You know what, I'm going to let you go home,
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Rekla sam: „Znate šta, pustiću vas da da idete kući
12:41
and you'll come back in two weeks,
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i vratićete se nakon dve nedelje,
12:43
and when you come back, we'll give you some assistance for your addiction."
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pa kada dođete, dodelićemo vam neku vrstu pomoći za vašu ovisnost.“
12:46
Surprisingly, two weeks passed and he was sitting the courtroom.
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Na veliko iznenađenje, dve nedelje potom, on je sedeo u sudnici.
12:50
When he came up, he said, "Judge, I came back to court
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Kada je prišao, rekao mi je: „Sudijo, vratio sam se u sud
12:53
because you showed me more love than I had for myself."
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zato što ste mi pokazali više ljubavi nego što sam ja ikada imao za sebe.“
12:56
And I thought, my God, he heard love from the bench?
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Pomislila sam: „Bože, on je čuo ljubav sa moje stolice?
13:00
I could do this all day.
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Mogla bih da radim ovo ceo dan.“
13:01
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:02
Because the reality is that when the court behaves differently,
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Zato što je činjenica da, ako se sud drugačije ponaša,
13:05
then naturally people respond differently.
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onda, prirodno, i ljudi drugačije reaguju.
13:08
The court becomes a place you can go to for assistance,
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Sud postaje mesto na koje možete doći da zatražite pomoć,
13:11
like the 60-something-year-old schizophrenic homeless woman
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kao što je šezdesetogodišnja beskućnica koja ima šizofreniju,
13:15
who was in distress
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koja je bila u agoniji
13:16
and fighting with the voices in her head,
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boreći se sa glasovima u svojoj glavi,
13:18
and barges into court, and screams, "Judge!
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upala u sud i počela vikati: „ Sudijo!
13:21
I just came by to see how you were doing."
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Samo sam došla da vidim kako ste.“
13:24
I had been monitoring her case for a couple of months,
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Nekoliko meseci sam pratila njen slučaj,
13:27
her compliance with her medication,
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njeno pridržavanje uzimanja lekova,
13:29
and had just closed out her case a couple of weeks ago.
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i upravo sam bila zaključila njen slučaj, nekoliko nedelja ranije.
13:32
On this day she needed help,
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Tog dana, njoj je bila potrebna pomoć,
13:34
and she came to court.
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i došla je u sud.
13:35
And after four hours of coaxing by the judge,
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Nakon četiri sata nagovaranja od strane sudije,
13:39
the police officers and the staff,
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policijskih službenika i osoblja,
13:41
she is convinced to get into the ambulance
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ubedili su je da ode u ambulantu,
13:44
that will take her to crisis unit
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odakle će je odvesti u krizno odeljenje
13:46
so that she can get her medication.
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da bi mogla da dobije svoje lekove.
13:49
People become connected to their community
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Ljudi su postali povezani sa svojom zajednicom
13:52
when the court changes,
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kada se sud promeni,
13:54
like the 50-something-year-old man
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kao jedan pedesetogodišnjak
13:56
who told me, "Community service was terrible, Judge.
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koji mi je rekao: „Društveno koristan rad je bio strašan, sudijo.
13:59
I had to clean the park, and it was full of empty heroin envelopes,
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Morao sam da čistim park, a on je bio pun praznih vrećica od heroina,
14:02
and the kids had to play there."
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a deca se tu igraju.“
14:04
As he wrung his hands, he confessed,
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Priznao je, lomeći svoje ruke:
14:07
"Judge, I realized that it was my fault,
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„Sudijo, shvatio sam da je moja krivica,
14:10
because I used that same park to get high,
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zato što sam ja koristio taj isti park da se drogiram,
14:13
and before you sent me there to do community service,
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i pre nego što ste me poslali tamo na društveno koristan rad,
14:15
I had never gone to the park when I wasn't high,
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nikad nisam bio u parku a da nisam bio nadrogiran,
14:18
so I never noticed the children playing there."
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tako da nikad nisam ni primetio da se deca tamo igraju.“
14:22
Every addict in the courtroom lowered their head.
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Svaki ovisnik u sudnici je spustio glavu.
14:25
Who better to teach that lesson?
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Ko bi bio bolji učitelj?
14:28
It helps the court reset its relationship with the community,
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To pomaže da sud ponovo uspostavi odnos sa zajednicom,
14:33
like with the 20-something-year-old guy
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kao što je slučaj sa dvadesetogodišnjim momkom
14:36
who gets a job interview through the court program.
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koji je dobio razgovor za posao kroz sudski program.
14:39
He gets a job interview at an office cleaning company,
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Dobio je razgovor za posao u kompaniji za čišćenje kancelarija,
14:42
and he comes back to court to proudly say,
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i vratio se u sud da se pohvali:
14:44
"Judge, I even worked in my suit after the interview,
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„Sudijo, čak sam i radio u svom odelu nakon razgovora,
14:49
because I wanted the guy to see how bad I wanted the job."
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da bih dokazao tim ljudima koliko jako želim taj posao.“
14:54
It's what happens when a person in authority
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To se dešava kada se osoba od autoriteta
14:58
treats you with dignity and respect,
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odnosi prema vama sa dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
15:00
like the 40-something-year-old guy who struts down the aisle
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kao četrdesetogodišnjak na koga sam naletela u ulici
15:03
and says, "Judge, do you notice anything different?"
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koji mi je rekao: „Sudijo, primećujete li nešto drugačije?“
15:06
And when I look up,
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Kada sam pogledala,
15:07
he's pointing at his new teeth
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pokazivao je na njegove nove zube,
15:10
that he was able to get after getting a referral from the program,
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koje je mogao da dobije nakon uputa kroz program,
15:13
but he was able to get them to replace the old teeth
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ali je mogao je da ih dobije da bi zamenio stare zube
15:17
that he lost as a result of years of heroin addiction.
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čiji je gubitak bio posledica dugogodišnjeg korišćenja heroina.
15:21
When he looks in the mirror,
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Kada se pogleda u ogledalo,
15:22
now he sees somebody who is worth saving.
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on sada vidi nekog koga vredi spasiti.
15:25
You see, I have a dream
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Vidite, ja imam san,
15:27
and that dream is that judges will use these tools
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a taj san je da će sudije koristiti ovo sredstvo
15:31
to revolutionize the communities that they serve.
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da sprovedu revoluciju u zajednicama kojima služe.
15:35
Now, these tools are not miracle cure-alls,
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E sad, ova sredstva nisu čudotvorni štapići,
15:37
but they get us light-years closer to where we want to be,
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ali nas približavaju svetlosnim godinama brže mestu gde želimo da budemo,
15:41
and where we want to be is a place that people enter our halls of justice
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a to je mesto na kome ljudi ulaze u naše sudnice
15:45
and believe they will be treated with dignity and respect
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verujući da će se prema njima ophoditi sa dostojanstvom i poštovanjem
15:48
and know that justice will be served there.
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i znajući da će pravda biti zadovoljena.
15:52
Imagine that, a simple idea.
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Zamislite to, jednostavna ideja.
15:55
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
15:56
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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