The real story of Rosa Parks -- and why we need to confront myths about Black history | David Ikard

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2020-02-26 ・ TED


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The real story of Rosa Parks -- and why we need to confront myths about Black history | David Ikard

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Prevodilac: Ivana Krivokuća Lektor: Kristina Radosavljević
00:14
I am the proud father of two beautiful children,
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Ponosan sam otac dvoje prelepe dece,
00:19
Elijah, 15, and Octavia, 12.
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Elajdže, koji ima 15 godina, i Oktavije, koja ima 12 godina.
00:24
When Elijah was in the fourth grade,
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Kada je Elajdža bio u četvrtom razredu,
00:27
he came to me,
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prišao mi je
00:29
came home from school bubbling over with excitement
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kada je došao iz škole pucajući od uzbuđenja
00:32
about what he had learned that day about African-American history.
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zbog onoga što je tog dana naučio o afroameričkoj istoriji.
00:37
Now, I'm an African-American and cultural studies professor,
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Ja sam Afroamerikanac i profesor kulturalnih studija,
00:41
and so, as you can imagine,
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pa je stoga, kao što možete pretpostaviti,
00:43
African-American culture is kind of serious around my home.
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afroamerička kultura ozbiljna stvar u mojoj kući.
00:46
So I was very proud that my son was excited about what he had learned
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Zato sam bio vrlo ponosan jer je moj sin bio uzbuđen povodom svojih saznanja
00:50
that day in school.
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u školi tog dana.
00:52
So I said, "What did you learn?"
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Pitao sam ga: „Šta si naučio?“
00:54
He said, "I learned about Rosa Parks."
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Rekao je: „Učio sam o Rozi Parks.“
00:57
I said, "OK, what did you learn about Rosa Parks?"
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Rekoh: „U redu, šta si saznao o Rozi Parks?“
01:00
He said, "I learned that Rosa Parks was this frail, old black woman
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Rekao je: „Saznao sam da je Roza Parks bila krhka, stara crnkinja
01:06
in the 1950s
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1950-ih godina
01:08
in Montgomery, Alabama.
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u Montgomeriju u Alabami.
01:10
And she sat down on this bus,
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Sela je u autobus
01:13
and she had tired feet,
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i noge su joj bile umorne,
01:15
and when the bus driver told her to give up her seat to a white patron,
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i kada joj je vozač autobusa rekao da ustupi mesto belom putniku,
01:20
she refused because she had tired feet.
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odbila je jer su joj noge bile umorne.
01:22
It had been a long day,
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Dan je bio naporan,
01:24
and she was tired of oppression,
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bila je umorna od ugnjetavanja,
01:25
and she didn't give up her seat.
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i nije ustupila mesto.
01:27
And she marched with Martin Luther King,
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I marširala je sa Martinom Luterom Kingom i verovala je u nenasilje.“
01:29
and she believed in nonviolence."
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01:31
And I guess he must have looked at my face
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Pretpostavljam da mi je pogledao lice
01:35
and saw that I was a little less than impressed
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i video da nisam baš impresioniran
01:39
by his
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njegovom...
01:41
... um ...
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ovaj...
01:42
history lesson.
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lekcijom iz istorije.
01:44
And so he stopped, and he was like, "Dad, what's wrong? What did I get wrong?"
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Zastao je i rekao: „Tata, šta nije u redu? Šta sam loše shvatio?“
01:48
I said, "Son, you didn't get anything wrong,
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Rekao sam: „Sine, nisi ti ništa loše shvatio,
01:50
but I think your teacher got a whole lot of things wrong."
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ali mislim da je tvoja nastavnica mnogo toga pogrešno shvatila.“
01:53
(Laughter)
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01:54
He said, "Well, what do you mean?"
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Rekao je: „Pa, kako to misliš?“
01:56
I said, "Rosa Parks was not tired.
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Rekao sam: „Roza Parks nije bila umorna.
02:00
She was not old.
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Nije bila stara.
02:03
And she certainly didn't have tired feet."
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I zasigurno joj nisu bile umorne noge.“
02:06
He said, "What?"
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Rekao je: „Šta?“
02:07
I said, "Yes!
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Rekao sam: „Da!
02:08
Rosa Parks was only 42 years old" --
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Roza Parks je imala samo 42 godine“ -
02:12
Yeah, you're shocked, right? Never heard that.
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Da, šokirani ste, zar ne? Nikad to niste čuli.
02:14
"Rosa Parks was only 42 years old,
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„Roza Parks je imala svega 42 godine,
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she had only worked six hours that day, and she was a seamstress
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bila je radila samo šest sati tog dana, a bila je krojačica
02:21
and her feet were just fine.
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i noge su joj bile sasvim u redu.
02:23
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:24
The only thing that she was tired of
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Jedino od čega je bila umorna
02:27
was she was tired of inequality.
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bila je nejednakost.
02:30
She was tired of oppression."
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Bila je umorna od ugnjetavanja.“
02:32
And my son said,
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Moj sin je rekao:
02:33
"Well, why would my teacher tell me this thing?
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„Pa, zašto bi mi nastavnica to rekla?
02:37
This is confusing for me."
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Zbunjuje me ovo.“
02:39
Because he loved his teacher, and she was a good teacher,
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Zato što je voleo nastavnicu, i bila je dobra nastavnica,
02:42
a young-ish, 20-something white woman,
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relativno mlada, belkinja od 20-ak godina,
02:45
really, really smart, pushed him, so I liked her as well.
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baš, baš pametna, pritiskala ga je, pa se i meni dopadala.
02:49
But he was confused. "Why would she tell me this?" he said.
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Ali bio je zbunjen. Pitao je: „Zašto bi mi to rekla?“
02:52
He said, "Dad, tell me more. Tell me more. Tell me more about Rosa Parks."
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Rekao je: „Tata, pričaj mi još. Još mi pričaj o Rozi Parks.“
02:56
And I said, "Son, I'll do you one better."
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A ja sam rekao: „Sine, imam bolju ideju.“
02:58
He was like, "What?"
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Rekao je: „Šta?“
03:00
I said, "I'm going to buy her autobiography,
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Rekao sam: „Kupiću ti njenu autobiografiju
03:02
and I'm going to let you read it yourself."
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i daću ti je da je sam pročitaš.“
03:04
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:07
So as you can imagine,
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Kao što možete pretpostaviti,
03:10
Elijah wasn't too excited about this new, lengthy homework assignment
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Elajdža nije bio oduševljen ovim novim, dugačkim domaćim zadatkom
03:15
that his dad had just given him, but he took it in stride.
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koji mu je tata upravo zadao, ali prionuo je na njega.
03:19
And he came back after he had read it,
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Vratio se nakon što je pročitao knjigu,
03:23
and he was excited about what he had learned.
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i bio je uzbuđen zbog onog što je pročitao.
03:27
He said, "Dad, not only was Rosa Parks not initially into nonviolence,
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Rekao je: „Tata, ne samo da Roza Parks u početku nije bila za nenasilje,
03:34
but Rosa Parks's grandfather, who basically raised her
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već je deda Roze Parks,
koji ju je u suštini odgajio i bio dovoljno svetle kože da prođe kao belac,
03:38
and was light enough to pass as white,
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03:40
used to walk around town with his gun in his holster,
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imao običaj da ide po gradu sa pištoljem u futroli
03:45
and people knew if you messed with Mr. Parks's children or grandchildren,
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i ljudi su znali da, ako se petljate sa decom ili unucima gospodina Parksa,
03:50
he would put a cap in your proverbial bottom."
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on će vam ucmekati pozadinu, ili kako se već to kaže.“
03:54
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:55
Right?
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Je l' da?
03:57
He was not someone to mess with.
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Sa njim nije bilo zezanja.
03:59
And he said, "I also learned that Rosa Parks married a man in Raymond
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Rekao je: „Takođe sam saznao da se Roza Parks
udala za čoveka u Rejmondu koji je dosta bio nalik njenom dedi.“
04:05
who was a lot like her grandfather."
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04:09
He would organize.
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On bi se organizovao.
04:11
He was a civil rights activist.
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Bio je aktivista za građanska prava.
04:13
He would organize events
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Organizovao bi događaje
04:17
and sometimes the events would be at Rosa Parks's home.
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i ponekad bi se ti događaji odvijali u domu Roze Parks.
04:22
And one time Rosa Parks remarked
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Na jednom mestu Roza Parks pominje
04:24
that there were so many guns on the table,
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da je bilo toliko oružja na stolu,
04:26
because they were prepared for somebody to come busting into the door
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jer su bili pripremljeni da kada bi neko uleteo na vrata,
04:29
that they were prepared for whatever was going to go down,
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oni bi bili spremni za sve što može da krene naopako,
04:32
that Rosa Parks said, "There were so many guns on the table
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tako da je Roza Parks rekla: „Bilo je toliko oružja na stolu
04:35
that I forgot to even offer them coffee or food."
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da sam čak zaboravila da im ponudim kafu ili hranu.“
04:38
This is who Rosa Parks was.
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To je bila prava Roza Parks.
04:41
And in fact, Rosa Parks, when she was sitting on that bus that day,
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Zapravo, Roza Parks, kada je tog dana sedela u autobusu,
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waiting for those police officers to arrive
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dok je čekala da stignu ti policajci,
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and not knowing what was going to happen to her,
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ne znajući šta će joj se desiti,
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she was not thinking about Martin Luther King,
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nije razmišljala o Martinu Luteru Kingu,
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who she barely knew.
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koga jedva da je poznavala.
04:55
She was not thinking about nonviolence or Gandhi.
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Nije mislila o nenasilju ili o Gandiju.
04:58
She was thinking about her grandfather,
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Mislila je na svog dedu
05:00
a gun-toting, take-no-mess grandfather.
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koji je nosio pištolj i sa kojim nije bilo šale.
05:04
That's who Rosa Parks was thinking about.
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O njemu je razmišljala Roza Parks.
05:07
My son was mesmerized by Rosa Parks,
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Moj sin je bio opčinjen Rozom Parks,
05:11
and I was proud of him to see this excitement.
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i bio sam ponosan na njega jer sam video to uzbuđenje.
05:15
But then I still had a problem.
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Ali i dalje sam imao problem.
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Because I still had to go his school
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Jer sam i dalje morao da odem u njegovu školu
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and address the issue with his teacher,
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i pozabavim se ovim problemom sa nastavnicom,
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because I didn't want her to continue to teach the kids
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jer nisam hteo da nastavi da uči decu
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obviously false history.
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očigledno lažnoj istoriji.
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So I'm agonizing over this,
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I tako se ja mučim sa tim,
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primarily because I understand, as an African-American man,
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pre svega zato što razumem, kao Afroamerikanac,
05:32
that whenever you talk to whites about racism
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da kad god razgovarate sa belcima o rasizmu
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or anything that's racially sensitive,
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ili o bilo čemu osetljivom u smislu rase,
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there's usually going to be a challenge.
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obično to bude problematično.
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This is what white sociologist Robin DiAngelo calls "white fragility."
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To je ono što bela sociološkinja Robin Dianđelo naziva „belačkom krhkošću“.
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She argues that, in fact,
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Ona tvrdi da, zapravo,
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because whites have so little experience being challenged
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pošto belci poseduju tako malo iskustva u preispitivanju
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about their white privilege
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svojih belačkih privilegija,
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that whenever even the most minute challenge is brought before them,
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kada im se iznese makar i najsićušniji problem,
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they usually cry,
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obično plaču,
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get angry
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naljute se
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or run.
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ili pobegnu.
06:00
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:01
And I have experienced them all.
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I sve sam te reakcije doživeo.
06:04
And so, when I was contemplating confronting his teacher,
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I tako, kada sam razmišljao da se suočim sa njegovom nastavnicom,
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I wasn't happy about it,
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nisam bio srećan zbog toga,
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but I was like, this is a necessary evil
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ali sam mislio da je to nužno zlo
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of being a black parent trying to raise self-actualized black children.
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kada ste roditelj crne rase koji pokušava da podiže samoaktualizovanu crnu decu.
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So I called Elijah to me and said,
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Pozvao sam Elajdžu i rekao mu:
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"Elijah, I'm going to set up an appointment with your teacher
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„Elajdža, zakazaću sastanak sa tvojom nastavnicom
06:24
and try and correct this
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da probam da ovo ispravim, a možda i sa tvojim direktorom.
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and maybe your principal.
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06:27
What do you think?"
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Šta ti misliš?“
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And Elijah said,
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Elajdža je rekao:
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"Dad, I have a better idea."
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„Tata, imam bolju ideju.“
06:33
And I said, "Really? What's your idea?"
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Rekoh: „Stvarno? Koju ideju?“
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He said, "We have a public speaking assignment,
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Rekao je: „Imamo zadatak da javno govorimo o nečemu,
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and why don't I use that public speaking assignment
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pa zašto ne bih iskoristio taj zadatak javnog govora
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to talk about debunking the myths of Rosa Parks?"
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da pričam o rušenju mitova o Rozi Parks?"
06:46
And I was like,
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I ja sam rekao:
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"Well, that is a good idea."
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„Pa, to je dobra ideja.“
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So Elijah goes to school,
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I tako Elajdža ode u školu,
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he does his presentation,
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održi prezentaciju,
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he comes back home,
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vrati se kući,
06:58
and I could see something positive happened.
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i video sam da se dogodilo nešto pozitivno.
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I said, "Well, what happened, son?"
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Pitao sam: „Pa, šta se dogodilo, sine?“
07:03
He said, "Well, later on in that day,
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Rekao je: „Pa, kasnije tog dana,
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the teacher pulled me aside,
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nastavnica me je pozvala na stranu,
07:07
and she apologized to me for giving that misinformation."
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i izvinila se što mi je dala te pogrešne informacije.“
07:12
And then something else miraculous happened the next day.
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I onda se sutradan dogodilo još nešto čudesno.
07:16
She actually taught a new lesson on Rosa Parks,
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Ona je čak predavala novu lekciju o Rozi Parks,
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filling in the gaps that she had left and correcting the mistakes that she made.
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pri čemu je popunila praznine koje su joj ostale
i ispravila greške koje je napravila.
07:24
And I was so, so proud of my son.
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I bio sam baš, baš ponosan na svog sina.
07:29
But then I thought about it.
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Ali onda sam razmislio o tome.
07:33
And I got angry.
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I naljutio sam se.
07:35
And I got real angry.
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Baš sam se naljutio.
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Why? Why would I get angry?
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Zašto? Zašto bih bio ljut?
07:40
Because my nine-year-old son had to educate his teacher
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Zato što je moj devetogodišnji sin morao da obrazuje svoju nastavnicu
07:45
about his history,
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o svojoj istoriji,
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had to educate his teacher about his own humanity.
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morao da obrazuje svoju nastavnicu o svojoj čovečnosti.
07:50
He's nine years old.
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On ima devet godina.
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He should be thinking about basketball or soccer
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Trebalo bi da razmišlja o košarci, fudbalu
07:56
or the latest movie.
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ili najnovijem filmu.
07:58
He should not be thinking about having to take the responsibility
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Ne bi trebalo da razmišlja o tome kako mora da preuzme odgovornost
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of educating his teacher,
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da obrazuje svoju nastavnicu
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his students,
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i svoje drugove
08:08
about himself, about his history.
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o sebi i svojoj istoriji.
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That was a burden that I carried.
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To je bio teret koji sam ja nosio.
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That was a burden that my parents carried
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To je bio teret koji su nosili moji roditelji
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and generations before them carried.
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i generacije pre njih.
08:16
And now I was seeing my son take on that burden, too.
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A sada sam gledao kako i moj sin preuzima taj teret na sebe.
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You see, that's why Rosa Parks wrote her autobiography.
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Vidite, zato je Roza Parks napisala svoju autobiografiju.
08:26
Because during her lifetime,
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Jer još za njenog života,
08:28
if you can imagine,
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ako možete to da zamislite,
08:29
you do this amazing thing,
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radite nešto ovako neverovatno,
08:34
you're alive and you're talking about your civil rights activism,
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živi ste i govorite o aktivizmu za građanska prava,
08:38
and a story emerges
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i pojavi se priča
08:40
in which somebody is telling the world
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u kojoj neko govori svetu
08:43
that you were old and you had tired feet
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da ste stari, da su vam bile umorne noge
08:45
and you just were an accidental activist,
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i da ste samo slučajno postali aktivista,
08:48
not that you had been activist by then for 20 years,
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a ne da ste do tog trenutka bili aktivista 20 godina,
08:52
not that the boycott had been planned for months,
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ne da je bojkot bio planiran mesecima,
08:55
not that you were not even the first or the second or even the third woman
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ni to da niste bili ni prva, pa ni druga, čak ni treća žena
09:00
to be arrested for doing that.
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koja je uhapšena zbog iste stvari.
09:03
You become an accidental activist, even in her own lifetime.
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Postanete slučajni aktivista, čak i za svog života.
09:08
So she wrote that autobiography to correct the record,
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Zato je napisala tu autobiografiju da rasčisti račune,
09:11
because what she wanted to remind people of
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jer je htela da podseti ljude
09:15
was that this
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da je ovako izgledalo
09:17
is what it was like
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09:19
in the 1950s
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1950-ih godina
09:23
trying to be black in America
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ako ste pokušali da budete crnac u Americi
09:25
and fight for your rights.
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i da se borite za svoja prava.
09:28
During the year, a little over a year, that the boycott lasted,
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Tokom te godine, malo više od godine, koliko je bojkot trajao,
09:33
there were over four church bombings.
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više od četiri crkve su bombardovane.
09:35
Martin Luther King's house was bombed twice.
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Kuća Martina Lutera Kinga bila je bombardovana dva puta.
09:39
Other civil rights leaders' houses were bombed in Birmingham.
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Bile su bombardovane i kuće drugih vođa pokreta za građanska prava u Birminghamu.
09:43
Rosa Parks's husband slept at night with a shotgun,
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Muž Roze Parks je noću spavao sa puškom,
09:48
because they would get constant death threats.
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jer su stalno dobijali pretnje smrću.
09:51
In fact, Rosa Parks's mother lived with them,
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Zapravo, majka Roze Parks je živela sa njima,
09:53
and sometimes she would stay on the phone for hours
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i ponekad bi satima bila na telefonu
09:56
so that nobody would call in with death threats,
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tako da niko ne pozove da im preti smrću,
09:59
because it was constant and persistent.
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jer se to dešavalo stalno i uporno.
10:01
In fact, there was so much tension,
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Zapravo, bilo je toliko tenzije,
10:04
there was so much pressure, there was so much terrorism,
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bilo je toliko pritiska, toliko terorizma,
10:06
that Rosa Parks and her husband, they lost their jobs,
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da su Roza Parks i njen muž ostali bez posla,
10:09
and they became unemployable
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bez mogućnosti zaposlenja
10:11
and eventually had to leave and move out of the South.
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i na kraju morali da odu i da se odsele sa Juga.
10:17
This is a civil rights reality
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To je realnost pokreta za građanska prava
10:20
that Rosa Parks wanted to make sure that people understood.
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za koju je Roza Parks htela da se postara da je ljudi razumeju.
10:25
So you say, "Well, David, what does that have to do with me?
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Onda vi kažete: „Pa, Dejvide, kakve to veze ima sa mnom?
10:31
I'm a well-meaning person.
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Ja sam dobronamerna osoba.
10:33
I didn't own slaves.
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Nisam posedovao robove.
10:35
I'm not trying to whitewash history.
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Ne pokušavam da zataškam istoriju.
10:36
I'm a good guy. I'm a good person."
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Ja sam dobar čovek. Ja sam dobra osoba.“
10:40
Let me tell you what it has to do with you,
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Reći ću vam kakve to ima veze sa vama,
10:42
and I'll tell it to you by telling you a story
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i to ću vam reći tako što ću vam ispričati priču
10:44
about a professor of mine, a white professor,
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o mom profesoru, belom profesoru,
10:48
when I was in graduate school, who was a brilliant, brilliant individual.
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kada sam išao na postdiplomske studije, koji je bio briljantna osoba.
10:52
We'll call him "Fred."
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Zvaćemo ga „Fred“.
10:55
And Fred was writing this history of the civil rights movement,
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Fred je pisao istoriju pokreta za građanska prava,
10:59
but he was writing specifically about a moment
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ali konkretno je pisao o trenutku
11:02
that happened to him in North Carolina
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koji mu se dogodio u Severnoj Karolini
11:04
when this white man shot this black man in cold blood in a wide-open space
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kada je belac hladnokrvno upucao crnca na otvorenom prostoru
11:08
and was never convicted.
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i nikada nije bio osuđen.
11:10
And so it was this great book,
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Bila je to sjajna knjiga
11:12
and he called together a couple of his professor friends
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i sazvao je par prijatelja profesora
11:16
and he called me to read a draft of it before the final submission.
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i mene da pročitamo poslednju verziju pre konačne predaje teksta.
11:20
And I was flattered that he called me;
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Laskalo mi je što me je pozvao;
11:22
I was only a graduate student then.
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tada sam bio samo postdiplomac.
11:24
I was kind of feeling myself a little bit. I was like, "OK, yeah."
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Bio sam pomalo pun sebe. Bio sam u fazonu: „Okej, strava.“
11:28
I'm sitting around amongst intellectuals,
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Sedeo sam među intelektualcima
11:31
and I read the draft of the book.
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i čitao sam preliminarnu verziju knjige.
11:35
And there was a moment in the book
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Postojao je trenutak u knjizi
11:37
that struck me as being deeply problematic,
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koji mi je delovao vrlo problematično,
11:40
and so I said,
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pa sam rekao:
11:41
"Fred," as we were sitting around talking about this draft,
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„Fred,“ dok smo sedeli i razgovarali o tekstu,
11:45
I said, "Fred, I've got a real problem with this moment that you talk
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rekoh: „Fred, baš imam problem sa delom u kome govoriš
11:49
about your maid in your book."
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o svojoj služavki u knjizi.“
11:52
And I could see Fred get a little "tight," as we say.
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Video sam da se Fred „stisao“, kako se kaže.
11:59
He said, "What do you mean? That's a great story.
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Rekao je: „Kako to mišliš? Super je priča.
12:03
It happened just like I said."
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Desilo se baš kako sam ispričao.“
12:05
I said, "Mmm ... can I give you another scenario?"
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Rekoh: „Mmm... mogu li da iznesem drugi scenario?
12:08
Now, what's the story?
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E sad, o čemu se radi u priči?
12:10
It was 1968.
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Godina je 1968.
12:12
Martin Luther King had just been assassinated.
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Martin Luter King je upravo ubijen.
12:16
His maid, "domestic" -- we'll call her "Mabel,"
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Njegova služavka, „posluga“ - zvaćemo je „Mejbel“,
12:20
was in the kitchen.
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bila je u kuhinji.
12:22
Little Fred is eight years old.
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Mali Fred je imao osam godina.
12:24
Little Fred comes into the kitchen,
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Mali Fred ulazi u kuhinju,
12:26
and Mabel, who he has only seen as smiling and helpful and happy,
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i Mejbel, koju je do tada viđao samo nasmejanu, uslužnu i srećnu,
12:33
is bent over the sink,
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naslonjena je nad sudoperom
12:35
and she's crying,
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i plače,
12:37
and she's sobbing
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jeca
12:40
inconsolably.
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neutešno.
12:42
And little Fred comes over to her and says, "Mabel, what is wrong?"
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Mali Fred joj prilazi i kaže: „Mejbel, šta nije u redu?“
12:47
Mabel turns, and she says,
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Mejbel se okreće i kaže:
12:50
"They killed him! They killed our leader. They killed Martin Luther King.
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„Ubili su ga! Ubili su našeg vođu. Ubili su Martina Lutera Kinga.
12:54
He's dead! They are monsters."
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Mrtav je! Oni su čudovišta.“
12:59
And little Fred says,
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Mali Fred kaže:
13:00
"It'll be OK, Mabel. It'll be OK. It'll be OK."
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„Biće sve u redu, Mejbel. Biće u redu. Biće u redu.“
13:04
And she looked at him, and she says, "No, it's not going to be OK.
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Pogledala ga je i rekla: „Ne, neće biti u redu.
13:07
Did you not hear what I just said?
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Zar nisi čuo šta sam upravo rekla?
13:09
They killed Martin Luther King."
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Ubili su Martina Lutera Kinga.“
13:13
And Fred,
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A Fred,
13:15
son of a preacher,
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sin propovednika,
13:17
looks up at Mabel, and he says,
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pogleda Mejbel i reče:
13:20
"But Mabel, didn't Jesus die on the cross for our sins?
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„Ali Mejbel, zar nije Isus umro na krstu zbog naših grehova?
13:25
Wasn't that a good outcome?
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Zar to nije bio dobar ishod?
13:27
Maybe this will be a good outcome.
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Možda će ovo biti dobar ishod.
13:30
Maybe the death of Martin Luther King will lead to a good outcome."
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Možda će smrt Martina Lutera Kinga dovesti do dobrog ishoda.“
13:36
And as Fred tells the story,
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Dok Fred priča tu priču,
13:38
he says that Mabel put her hand over her mouth,
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kaže da je Mejbel stavila ruku na usta,
13:43
she reached down and she gave little Fred a hug,
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sagla se i zagrlila Freda,
13:47
and then she reached into the icebox,
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krenula ka frižideru,
13:49
and took out a couple Pepsis,
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izvadila par pepsija,
13:51
gave him some Pepsis
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dala mu pepsi
13:53
and sent him on his way to play with his siblings.
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i poslala ga da se igra sa braćom i sestrama.
13:56
And he said,
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Rekao je:
13:58
"This was proof that even in the most harrowing times of race struggle
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„Bio je to dokaz da čak i u najteža vremena rasnih previranja
14:04
that two people could come together across racial lines
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dvoje ljudi mogu da se spoje uprkos rasnim podelama
14:07
and find human commonality
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i nađu zajedničku ljudskost
14:09
along the lines of love and affection."
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kroz ljubav i naklonost.“
14:12
And I said, "Fred, that is some BS."
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Na to sam rekao: „Frede, to su gluposti.“
14:16
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:18
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
14:20
Fred was like,
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Fred je rekao:
14:23
"But I don't understand, David. That's the story."
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„Ali ne razumem, Dejvide. Tako ide priča.“
14:26
I said, "Fred, let me ask you a question."
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Rekoh: „Frede, da te pitam nešto.“
14:29
I said, "You were in North Carolina in 1968.
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Rekoh: „Ti si 1968. godine bio u Severnoj Karolini.
14:35
If Mabel would've went to her community -- you were eight years old --
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Da Mejbel ode u svoju zajednicu - ti si imao osam godina -
14:39
what do you think the eight-year-old African-American children
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kako misliš da bi joj se afroamerička deca od osam godina obraćala?
14:42
were calling her?
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Misliš da bi je zvali po imenu?“
14:43
Do you think they called her by her first name?"
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14:45
No, they called her "Miss Mabel,"
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Ne, zvali bi je „gospođo Mejbel“,
14:47
or they called her "Miss Johnson," or they called her "Auntie Johnson."
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ili bi je zvali „gospođo Džonson“ ili „teta Džonson“.
14:50
They would have never dared call her by her first name,
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Ne bi se nikad usudili da joj se obrate po imenu,
14:53
because that would have been the height of disrespect.
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jer bi to bio vrhunac nepoštovanja.
14:55
And yet, you were calling her by her first name
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A ipak, ti si je zvao po imenu
svakog njenog radnog dana,
14:58
every single day that she worked,
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14:59
and you never thought about it."
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a da o tome nikada nisi ni razmišljao.“
15:01
I said, "Let me ask you another question: Was Mabel married?
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Rekao sam: „Da te pitam još nešto. Da li je Mejbel bila udata?
15:05
Did she have children?
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Da li je imala dece?
15:06
What church did she go to?
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U koju crkvu je išla?
15:08
What was her favorite dessert?"
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Koji je bio njen omiljeni dezert?“
15:12
Fred could not answer any of those questions.
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Fred nije mogao da odgovori ni na jedno od tih pitanja.
15:17
I said, "Fred, this story is not about Mabel.
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Rekoh: „Frede, ova priča nije o Mejbel.
15:20
This story is about you."
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Ova priča je o tebi.“
15:22
I said, "This story made you feel good,
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Rekoh: „Ova priča tebi daje dobar osećaj,
15:25
but this story is not about Mabel.
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ali tu se ne radi o Mejbel.
15:28
The reality is,
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U stvarnosti,
15:29
what probably happened was, Mabel was crying,
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ono što se verovatno dogodilo je da je Mejbel plakala,
15:32
which was not something she customarily did,
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što obično nije činila,
15:34
so she was letting her guard down.
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pa su joj kočnice popustile.
15:36
And you came into the kitchen,
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Ti si ušao u kuhinju
15:38
and you caught her at a weak moment where she was letting her guard down.
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i zatekao je u trenutku ranjivosti kada su joj mehanizmi popustili.
15:42
And see, because you thought of yourself as just like one of her children,
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I vidiš, pošto si sebe smatrao baš kao da si jedno od njene dece,
15:45
you didn't recognize that you were in fact the child of her employer.
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nisi shvatao da si u stvari dete njenog poslodavca.
15:50
And she'd found herself yelling at you.
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A ona je zatekla sebe kako viče na tebe.
15:53
And then she caught herself,
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I kada je uhvatila sebe,
15:54
realizing that, 'If I'm yelling at him
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shvativši da: 'Ako vičem na njega
15:57
and he goes back and he tells his dad or he tells mom,
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i on se vrati i ispriča to tati ili mami,
15:59
I could lose my job.'
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mogla bih da izgubim posao.'
16:02
And so she tempered herself, and she ended up --
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Zato se sabrala i na kraju je -
16:05
even though she needed consoling -- she ended up consoling you
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mada je njoj bila potrebna uteha - naposletku ona tešila tebe
16:09
and sending you on your way,
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i poslala te da ideš,
16:11
perhaps so she could finish mourning in peace."
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možda da bi završila sa oplakivanjem u miru.“
16:16
And Fred was stunned.
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Fred je bio zapanjen.
16:17
And he realized that he had actually misread that moment.
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Shvatio je da je zapravo pogrešno protumačio taj trenutak.
16:22
And see, this is what they did to Rosa Parks.
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Vidite, to su uradili Rozi Parks.
16:25
Because it's a lot easier to digest an old grandmother with tired feet
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Jer je mnogo lakše svariti staricu sa umornim nogama
16:31
who doesn't stand up because she wants to fight for inequality,
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koja ne ustaje ne zato što hoće da se bori protiv nejednakosti,
16:34
but because her feet and her back are tired,
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već zato što su joj umorne noge i leđa,
16:36
and she's worked all day.
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i zato što je radila ceo dan.
16:39
See, old grandmothers are not scary.
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Vidite, starice nisu zastrašujuće.
16:42
But young, radical black women
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Ali mlade, radikalne crnkinje
16:44
who don't take any stuff from anybody
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koje ne trpe ugnjetavanje drugih
16:46
are very scary,
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su veoma strašne,
16:47
who stand up to power
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koje se suprotstavljaju moćnicima
16:49
and are willing to die for that --
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i spremne su da umru zarad toga -
16:51
those are not the kind of people
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to nisu ljudi
16:54
that make us comfortable.
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koji bude prijatan osećaj.
16:59
So you say,
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Vi na to kažete:
17:01
"What do you want me to do, David?
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„Šta hoćeš da uradim, Dejvide?
17:03
I don't know what to do."
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Ne znam šta da radim.“
17:07
Well, what I would say to you is,
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Pa, ono što vam bih rekao je da,
17:09
there was a time in which,
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postojalo je vreme u kome,
17:11
if you were Jewish, you were not white,
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ako ste Jevrejin, niste bili belac,
17:13
if you were Italian, you were not white,
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ako ste Italijan, niste bili belac,
17:16
if you were Irish, you were not white
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ako se Irac, niste bili belac
17:17
in this country.
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u ovoj zemlji.
17:19
It took a while before the Irish, the Jews and the Italians became white.
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Potrajalo je dok Irci, Jevreji i Italijani nisu postali belci.
17:24
Right?
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Je l' tako?
17:26
There was a time in which you were "othered,"
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Postojalo je vreme u kome bi vas tretirali kao „tuđeg“ ako ste osoba sa druge strane.
17:28
when you were the people on the outside.
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17:33
Toni Morrison said,
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Toni Morison je rekla:
17:35
"If, in order for you to be tall, I have to be on my knees,
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„Ako, da biste vi stajali uspravno, ja moram da budem na kolenima,
17:38
you have a serious problem."
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tu imate ozbiljan problem.“
17:40
She says, "White America has a serious, serious problem."
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Ona kaže: „Bela Amerika ima ozbiljan, ozbiljan problem.“
17:44
To be honest, I don't know if race relations will improve in America.
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Iskreno, ne znam da li će se odnosi rasa u Americi poboljšati.
17:50
But I know that if they will improve,
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Ali znam da, kako bi se poboljšali,
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we have to take these challenges on head on.
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moramo da se sa ovim problemima direktno suočimo.
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The future of my children depends on it.
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Budućnost moje dece zavisi od toga.
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The future of my children's children depends on it.
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Budućnost dece moje dece zavisi od toga.
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And, whether you know it or not,
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I, bili vi svesni toga ili ne,
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the future of your children and your children's children
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budućnost vaše dece i dece vaše dece
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depends on it, too.
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takođe zavisi od toga.
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Thank you.
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Hvala.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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