Inside the massive (and unregulated) world of surveillance tech | Sharon Weinberger

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Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Ivana Korom
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A few years ago,
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Pre nekoliko godina,
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an American defense consultant I know
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američki savetnik za odbranu kog poznajem
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told me about a trip he took to Uzbekistan.
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mi je ispričao o svom putovanju u Uzbekistan.
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His role there was to help sell technology
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Njegova uloga je bila da pospeši prodaju tehnologije
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that the Uzbek government could use to spy on its own citizens.
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koju je uzbekistanska vlada mogla da koristi
za špijuniranje sopstvenih građana.
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He eventually shared with me the marketing material
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Naposletku je podelio sa mnom marketinški materijal
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he'd presented to the Uzbek government.
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koji je predstavio uzbekistanskoj vladi.
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One glossy brochure featured technology that could not just intercept phone calls,
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Jedna moderna brošura je sadržala tehnologiju
koja ne samo da je mogla da presreće telefonske razgovore
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but identify the caller,
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već i da identifikuje govornika,
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regardless of what phone number they were using,
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bez obzira na to koji telefonski broj koristio,
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based on their unique voiceprint,
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putem jedinstvenog zvučnog otiska
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and then identify their exact geographic location.
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i da potom identifikuje njegovu tačnu geografsku lokaciju.
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This is a guy who had been involved with the arms trade for years.
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Ovaj tip je uključen u trgovinu oružjem godinama.
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He wasn't some Hollywood-type gunrunner doing backroom deals.
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Nije bio nekakav holivudski krijumčar oružja koji sklapa zakulisne ugovore.
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He was just a guy that worked with legitimate Western companies
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Bio je samo tip koji je sarađivao sa legitimnim zapadnim firmama
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to help sell their weapons abroad.
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kako bi im pomogao u inostranoj prodaji oružja.
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But he wasn't bothered by marketing this sort of technology.
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Međutim, nije mu smetalo reklamiranje ove tehnologije.
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For him, it was just the next step in the arms trade.
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Za njega, to je bio tek sledeći korak u trgovini oružjem.
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And it was even easier than, say, selling weapons to Iraq,
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A bilo je čak i jednostavnije od recimo prodaje oružja Iraku
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because it didn't require an export license
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jer nije zahtevalo izvoznu licencu
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from the US State Department,
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američkog Stejt departmenta,
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the way most arms sales would.
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koju većina oružja zahteva.
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It turns out that these tools of surveillance
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Ispostavlja se da su ova oruđa za nadzor
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are almost completely unregulated,
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gotovo u potpunosti neregulisana
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because as of today, they're not defined as weapons.
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jer trenutno nisu definisana kao oružja.
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But they should be, and we need to regulate them that way.
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Ali trebalo bi da budu, i moramo ih regulisati na taj način.
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I'm a journalist who has spent the last two decades
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Ja sam novinarka i provela sam poslednje dve decenije
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looking at how the military and intelligence world
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posmatrajući kako vojska i svet obaveštajaca
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spurs the development of new science and technology.
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podstiču razvoj nove nauke i tehnologije.
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I've tracked the emergence of new weapons
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Pratila sam pojavljivanje novog oružja
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and looked to see what happens
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i posmatrala šta se dešava
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when companies start to market these weapons abroad.
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kada firme počnu da reklamiraju to oružje u inostranstvu.
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But what is a weapon in the information age?
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Međutim, šta je oružje u dobu informacija?
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We know that armed drones are weapons,
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Znamo da su naoružani dronovi oružje,
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missiles and bombs are weapons,
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projektili i bombe su oružje,
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but the State Department actually classifies
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ali Stejt department zapravo klasifikuje
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broad categories of technologies as weapons.
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široku kategoriju tehnologije kao oružje.
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So for example, a scientist going abroad on an oceanographic research vessel,
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Na primer, ako naučnik ide u inostranstvo na okeanografski istraživački brod
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they want to take the latest night-vision goggles?
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i želi da ponese najnoviji noćni dvogled?
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That, according to the State Department, is potentially a weapon.
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To je prema Stejt departmentu potencijalno oružje.
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Why?
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Zašto?
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Well, because though night-vision goggles are used today by scientists
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Zato što, iako noćni dvogled trenutno koriste naučnici
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and hunters around the world,
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i lovci širom sveta,
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it was a capability first developed for the military.
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radi se o pomagalu koje je prvo razvila vojska.
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And yet, tools of surveillance
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Pa ipak, oruđa za nadzor
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that an authoritarian regime could use to spy on its own citizens,
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koje autoritarni režim može da koristi da špijunira sopstvene građane,
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on dissidents, on journalists,
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disidente, novinare,
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that, according to the US government today, is not a weapon.
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to se prema vladi SAD-a trenutno ne smatra oružjem.
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And yet, these tools of surveillance
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Pa ipak, ova oruđa za nadzor
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are part of a growing secretive multi-billion-dollar industry.
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su deo rastuće tajne industrije vredne više milijardi dolara.
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The genesis of this spy bazaar goes back some 18 years,
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Koreni ovog špijunskog sajma sežu nekih 18 godina unazad
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to a Hilton hotel in northern Virginia,
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do hotela Hilton u severnoj Virdžiniji,
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just a few miles away from the US Central Intelligence Agency.
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svega nekoliko kilometara od američke Centralne obaveštajne agencije.
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A few dozen people, mostly dark-suited men,
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Nekoliko desetina ljudi, uglavnom muškaraca u tamnim odelima
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gathered there in the spring of 2002
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se tu okupilo u proleće 2002. godine
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for a conference with the unassuming name of ISS World.
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radi konferencije skromnog naziva OSP svet.
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You know, at first glance, this conference probably looked like dozens of events
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Znate, na prvi pogled, konferencija je verovatno izgledala kao desetine događaja
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that used to take place around the Washington, DC area.
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koji su se organizovali u okolini grada Vašingtona.
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But this event was unique.
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Ovaj događaj je, pak, bio jedinstven.
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ISS stands for Intelligence Support Systems,
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OSP znači Obaveštajni sistemi podrške,
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and the people who were there
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a ljudi koji su bili tamo
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were from companies that built technologies to spy
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su bili iz firmi koje su pravile tehnologiju za špijuniranje
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on private communications.
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privatnih komunikacija.
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In other words, these were sort of wire-tappers for hire.
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Drugim rečima, radilo se o nekavim najamskim prisluškivačima.
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And the reason they were there was that less than a year earlier,
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A razlog zašto su bili tu je što je manje od godinu dana ranije
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the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington
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teroristički napad na Njujork i Vašington, 9. septembar,
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had spurred the Congress to press through legislation
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podstakao kongres da progura zakon
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known as the Patriot Act.
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poznat kao Patriotski zakon.
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This gave the government broad new authorities
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Ovo je obezbedilo vladi nova šira nadleštva
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to monitor communications.
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za praćenje komunikacija.
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Emails, internet activity, phone calls,
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Imejlove, internet aktivnost, telefonske pozive,
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even financial transactions.
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čak i finansijske transakcije.
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This created an instant demand for data.
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Ovo je stvorilo trenutnu potražnju za podacima.
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And in the true American entrepreneurial spirit,
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A u istinskom američkom preduzetničkom duhu,
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an industry rose up to help collect this data.
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industrija je priskočila u pomoć u sakupljanju podataka.
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But back in 2002,
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Međutim, 2002. godine,
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this was still a pretty modest affair.
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radilo se i dalje o prilično skromnom poslu.
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Only about 10 percent of the world's population
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Svega oko 10 procenata svetske populacije
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was even online using the internet.
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je uopšte bilo ulogovano na internet.
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So most of what was being collected were simple emails and phone calls
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Te ono što su sakupljali su uglavom bili jednostavni mejlovi i telefonski pozivi
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over landlines and cell phones.
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putem fiksne i mobilne telefonije.
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But over the next few years,
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Tokom narednih nekoliko godina,
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the way that we communicate began to change rapidly.
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način na koji komuniciramo ubrzano je počeo da se menja.
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There was the introduction of Skype, Facebook
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Pojavili su se Skajp, Fejsbuk,
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and then, crucially, the iPhone,
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a potom i najvažnije ajfon,
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and within a few years,
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i za nekoliko godina,
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billions of us were walking around with little computers in our pockets
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milijarde nas je hodalo unaokolo sa malim kompjuterima u džepovima
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that do everything from monitor our exercise habits
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koji su obavljali sve, od praćenja naših fitnes navika
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to help us find romantic partners.
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do pomoći u traženju romantičnih partnera.
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And suddenly, you didn't necessarily need the advanced capability
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I iznenada vam više nije bila nužna napredna sposobnost
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of the National Security Agency or big telecoms
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Nacionalne bezbednosne agencije ili velikih telekoma
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to monitor everyone's communication.
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da pratite svačiju komunikaciju.
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In some cases,
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U nekim slučajevima,
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all you needed was access to that device in their pockets.
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samo vam je bio potreban pristup tom uređaju u njihovim džepovima.
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And that gave birth to an entirely new type of industry.
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A to je iznedrilo sasvim novi vid industrije.
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You know, not many companies can build missiles or aircraft,
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Znate, retke firme mogu da grade projektile ili avione,
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but it doesn't take a lot of capital to create software
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ali ne treba vam mnogo novca da napravite softver
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that can hack into someone's smartphone.
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koji može da hakuje nečiji pametni telefon.
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Computer hackers have been around for years,
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Kompjuterski hakeri su prisutni godinama,
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but now their skills could be used to build technologies
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ali sada su njihove veštine mogle da se koriste za izgradnju tehnologije
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that were in high demand by law enforcement
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za koju je vladala velika potražnja u policiji i obaveštajnim agencijama.
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and intelligence agencies.
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And soon, dozens and even hundreds of companies
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I uskoro, desetine, pa čak i stotine firmi
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were getting into this wire-tappers' market.
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su ulazile u ovo tržište prisluškivanja.
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And that little conference in Virginia,
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A ta mala konferencija u Virdžiniji
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it grew and soon became known as the Wiretappers' Ball.
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je rasla i uskoro je postala poznata kao Bal prisluškivača.
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Well, not much was known about the Wiretappers' Ball
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Nije se mnogo znalo o Balu prisluškivača
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in those early years,
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tih ranih godina
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because the conferences were closed to everyone
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jer su konferencije bile zatvorene za sve
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except the companies and their government customers.
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osim firmi i njhovih mušterija iz vlade.
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But journalists did begin to see and hear reports
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No, novinari su počeli da gledaju i slušaju izveštaje
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of companies getting into this private spy market.
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o firmama koje su ulazile u ovo privatno špijunsko tržište.
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Spooky entrepreneurs going around the world,
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Mračni preduzetnici koji su išli svetom,
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doing deals,
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sklapajući dogovore često sa autoritarnim režimima.
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often with authoritarian regimes.
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And it was, from the start, a really loosely regulated market.
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I od starta se radilo o zaista labavo regulisanom tržištu.
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Some countries do require permission to sell these technologies abroad,
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Neke države zahtevaju dozvolu za prodaju ove tehnologije u inostranstvu,
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but rarely with the type of scrutiny that is given to traditional arms.
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ali retko sa proverama koje prolazi tradicionalno oružje.
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So for example, the Italian-based company Hacking Team
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Na primer, firma Hacking Team iz Italije
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reportedly sold its technology to authoritarian regimes
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je navodno prodala svoju tehnologiju autoritarnim režimima
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in Egypt and Kazakhstan.
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u Egiptu i Kazahstanu.
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The Israeli-based company NSO Group has reportedly sold its technology
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Izraelska firma NSO grupa navodno je prodala svoju tehnologiju
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to the regime in Saudi Arabia,
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režimu u Saudijskoj Arabiji
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which has been accused of harassing,
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koga optužuju za maltretiranje,
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and even, in one case, killing one of its political opponents.
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a u jednom slučaju i za ubistvo jednog svog političkog protivnika.
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And we do think of weapons as things that kill people.
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A o oružju razmišljamo kao o nečemu što ubija ljude.
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But in the information age,
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Međutim, u dobu informacija,
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some of the most powerful weapons are things that can track and identify us.
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neka od najmoćnijih oružja su stvari koje mogu da nas prate i identifikuju.
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This is something that the Pentagon and CIA have recognized for years,
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Radi se o nečemu što su Pentagon i CIA prepoznali pre više godina
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and they've tried to build technologies
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i pokušali su da naprave tehnologiju
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that can track people, suspected terrorists, around the globe.
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koja može da prati ljude, osumnjičene teroriste širom sveta.
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The Pentagon has invested in something called smart dust,
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Pentagon je uložio u nešto što se zove pametna prašina,
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little microsensors the size of specs of dust
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malene mikrosenzore veličine čestica prašine
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that you could scatter on people without them knowing it,
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koji mogu da se razaspu po ljudima, a da oni to ne znaju
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and then use it to track their location.
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i potom to koriste da prate njihovu lokaciju.
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The Pentagon, through its venture capital firm,
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Pentagon je preko svoje preduzetničke firme
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has invested in a beauty products company once featured in "Oprah Magazine"
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uložio u proizvode kozmetičke firme koji su se jednom pojavili u Oprinom časopisu
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to build a device that could surreptitiously collect DNA
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kako bi napravili uređaj koji može tajno da sakuplja DNK
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just by swiping across the skin.
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prosto prelaskom preko kože.
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But something remarkable has happened over the past decade.
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Nešto se, pak, izvanredno desilo tokom prošle decenije.
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In many cases, what the private marketplace has been able to do
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U mnogim slučajevima privatno tržište je postiglo nešto što je daleko nadmašilo
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has far outstripped what the Pentagon or CIA even thought was possible.
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ono što su Pentagon ili CIA uopšte smatrali mogućim.
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Back in 2008,
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Godine 2008,
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the Pentagon had a secretive database of DNA from terrorists.
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Pentagon je imao tajnu DNK bazu terorista.
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It had about 80,000 samples.
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Imali su oko 80 000 uzoraka.
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Well, the private company AncestryDNA
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Pa, privatna firma AncestryDNA
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today has samples from over 15 million people.
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trenutno ima uzorke od preko 15 miliona ljudi.
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23andMe, the second-largest genealogical database,
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23andMe, druga najveća genealoška baza podataka
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has samples from over 10 million people.
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ima uzorke od preko 10 miliona ljudi.
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So now, maybe you don't need these James Bond-worthy techniques
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Sada vam možda i nisu potrebne te Džejms Bondove tehnike
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of collecting DNA
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za sakupljanje DNK,
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if we're willingly handing it over to private companies
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ako smo mi voljni da ga predamo privatnim firmama,
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and even paying for the honor of doing it.
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pa čak i da platimo to zadovoljstvo.
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Well, what could you do with a sample of someone's DNA?
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Dakle, šta možete da postignete sa uzorkom nečije DNK?
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In the United States and China,
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U Sjedinjenim Državama i Kini
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researchers are working on using DNA samples
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istraživači rade na upotrebi DNK uzoraka
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to build images of people's faces.
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kako bi napravili slike ljudskih lica.
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So if you pair DNA with facial recognition technology,
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Dakle, ukoliko spojite DNK sa tehnologijom za identifikaciju lica,
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you have the basis of a really powerful surveillance system
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imate osnovu za veoma moćan sistem za nadzor
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that could be used to track individuals or entire ethnic groups.
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koji može da se koristi za praćenje pojedinaca ili čitavih etničkih grupa.
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And if you think that sounds a little bit paranoid,
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A ako mislite da to zvuči malčice paranoično,
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keep in mind that the Pentagon last year sent out a memo
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imajte na umu da je Pentagon prošle godine poslao memorandum
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to all of its service members,
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svim svojim službenicima
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warning them precisely not to use those commercial DNA kits
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upozoravajući ih upravo da ne koriste komercijalne DNK komplete
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over concerns that information could be used to track them
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zbog zabrinutosti od korišćenja informacija za praćenje njih
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or their family members.
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ili njihovih članova porodice.
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And yet, even with the Pentagon raising concerns about this technology,
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Pa ipak, čak i sa rastućom zabrinutosti Pentagona zbog ove tehnologije,
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almost nothing has been done to reign in this market.
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skoro da ništa nije urađeno da se ovlada ovim tržištem.
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One American company, Clearview AI,
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Jedna američka firma, Clearview AI,
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has been collecting billions of images of people's faces
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sakuplja milijarde slika ljudskih lica
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from across the internet,
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širom interneta,
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like those pictures you post on Instagram of you and your friends and family,
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poput slika vas i vaše porodice koje postavljate na Instagramu,
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and then selling its facial recognition services
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a potom prodaju svoje usluge identifikacije lica
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to US government and law-enforcement agencies.
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američkoj vladi i policiji.
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And even if you think
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A čak iako smatrate
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that's a perfectly acceptable application of this technology,
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da je to sasvim prihvatljiva primena ove tehnologije,
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there's nothing to stop them from selling to private individuals,
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ništa ih ne sprečava da je prodaju privatnim pojedincima,
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corporations or even foreign governments.
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korporacijama ili čak stranim vladama.
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And that's exactly what some companies are doing.
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A to je upravo ono što firme rade.
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That Wiretappers' Ball that started in northern Virginia?
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Taj Bal prisluškivača koji je osnovan u severnoj Virdžiniji?
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Today, it's held in multiple cities around the globe.
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Danas se održava u više gradova širom sveta.
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Thousands of people now attend the ISS trainings and conferences.
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Hiljade ljudi trenutno pohađa OSP obuke i konferencije.
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And more of the companies showing up are coming from the Middle East and China.
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A sve češće firme koje se pojavljuju stižu sa Bliskog istoka i iz Kine.
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The spy bazaar has gone global.
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Sajam špijuna je postao globalan.
08:31
And at arms shows now around the world,
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A trenutno na festivalima oružja širom sveta
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you'll see companies displaying facial recognition technology
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videćete kompanije kako izlažu tehnologiju za prepoznavanje lica
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and phone hacking software,
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i softvere za hakovanje telefona,
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displaying right next to traditional arms manufacturers
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sve to izlažu uz tradicionalne proizvođače oružja
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with tanks and missiles.
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sa tenkovima i projektilima.
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And walking around these arms shows,
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A šetajući po ovim festivalima oružja,
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it's pretty easy to go down dystopian rabbit holes,
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lako je upasti u distopijske paranoje
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thinking about future surveillance technology
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i razmišljati o budućoj tehnologiji za nadzor
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that will track our every move.
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koja će da prati svaki naš pokret.
08:51
And I remember one Pentagon adviser telling me
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Sećam se da mi je jedan savetnik iz Pentagona rekao
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that what the military really needed were space-based satellites
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da su vojsci zaista potrebni sateliti iz svemira
08:56
that could track people anywhere on earth based just on their DNA.
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koji bi pratili ljude bilo gde na zemlji samo na osnovu njihove DNK.
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It's enough to make you invest in tinfoil hats.
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To je dovoljan razlog da uložite u kape od alufolije.
09:03
But the truth is,
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Međutim, istina je
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we don't know what sort of technology the future will bring.
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da mi ne znamo koji će oblik tehnologije doneti budućnost.
09:07
But we know that today, in the absence of regulation,
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No znamo da danas, u odsustvu regulacije,
09:10
this marketplace is already exploding.
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ovo tržište je već u procvatu.
09:13
And in fact, one of those companies accused of selling surveillance technology
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I zapravo, jedna od firmi optuženih za prodaju tehnologije za nadzor
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to authoritarian regimes,
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autoritarnim režimima,
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today, it's offering to help track those infected with COVID-19.
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trenutno nudi pomoć u praćenju zaraženih kovidom-19.
09:23
And of course, technology does offer the tantalizing promise
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I naravno da tehnologija nudi varljivo obećanje
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of helping control a pandemic through contact tracing.
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pomoći u kontroli pandemije preko praćenja kontakata.
09:29
But it also opens up another door, to privatized mass surveillance.
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Međutim, takođe otvara dodatna vrata privatizovanom masovnom nadzoru.
09:33
So what do we do about this private spy bazaar?
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Dakle, šta da uradimo povodom ovog privatnog sajma špijuna?
Možemo da se sakrijemo, isključimo internet,
09:37
We can hide, go offline,
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get off social media, ditch our smartphones,
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pogasimo društvene mreže, bacimo naše pametne telefone,
09:41
go live in a cave,
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odemo da živimo u pećini,
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but the truth is, we're not trained to be professional spies,
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ali istina je da mi nismo obučeni da budemo profesionalni špijuni,
09:46
we can't live under false identities or with no identities.
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ne možemo da živimo sa lažnim identitetima ili bez identiteta.
09:49
And even real spies are having a hard time staying below the radar, these days.
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A čak je i pravim špijunima teško ovih dana da budu neprimećeni.
09:53
It doesn't matter how many passports Jason Bourne has
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Nebitno je koliko pasoša Džejson Born ima,
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if his face or DNA is in someone's database.
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ako je njegovo lice ili DNK u nečijoj bazi podataka.
09:59
But if even governments have lost control of the tools of spying,
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Ali ako su čak i vlade izgubile kontrolu nad špijunskim oruđima,
10:02
is there anything we can do about it?
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možemo li mi da uradimo nešto povodom toga?
10:04
One argument I've heard
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Čula sam argument
10:06
is that even if the US were to restrict companies
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da čak i kad bi SAD ograničila firme
10:08
from selling this sort of technology abroad,
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da prodaju ovaj vid tehnologije u inostranstvu,
10:10
companies based in China might simply step in.
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firme iz Kine bi možda prosto uskočile.
10:13
But we regulate the arms trade today,
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Međutim, trentuno regulišemo trgovinu oružja,
10:15
even if we do it imperfectly.
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čak iako to ne radimo savršeno.
10:18
And in fact, there was a multilateral proposal several years ago
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I zapravo, pre nekoliko godina postojao je multilateralni predlog
10:21
to do just that,
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da se uradi baš to,
10:22
to require export licenses for surveillance software.
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da se zahtevaju izvozne licence za softvere za nadzor.
10:26
The United States was among those countries
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Sjedinjene Države su bile među državama
10:28
that agreed to these voluntary regulations,
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koje su pristale na te dobrovoljne regulacije,
10:30
but back in Washington, this proposal has simply languished.
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ali kod kuće u Vašingotnu, predlog je naprosto iščileo.
10:33
We have an administration that would rather sell more weapons abroad
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Imamo administraciju koja bi radije prodavala više oružja u inostranstvu
10:37
with fewer restrictions,
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sa što manje restrikcija,
10:38
including to some of those countries
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uključujući nekim od država
10:40
accused of abusing surveillance technology.
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optuženim za zloupotrebu tehnologije za nadzor.
10:42
I think to move forward, we would need to revive that proposal,
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Smatram, da bismo išli npared, moramo da oživimo taj predlog,
10:45
but even go one step further.
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ali i da odemo korak dalje.
10:47
We need to fundamentally change how we think of surveillance technology
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Moramo temeljno da promenimo način razmišljanja o tehnologiji za nadzor
10:51
and define these tools as weapons.
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i da definišemo ova oruđa kao oružja.
10:53
This would allow government
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To bi omogućilo vladi
10:55
to regulate and control their sale and export
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da reguliše i kontroliše njihovu prodaju i izvoz
10:57
the way that they control traditional arms,
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na način na koji kontrolišu tradicionalno oružje,
11:00
advanced aircraft and missiles.
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savremene letelice i projektile.
11:03
But that means recognizing that technology that tracks who we are,
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Ali to bi značilo priznanje da tehnologija koja prati ko smo,
11:06
what we do, what we say,
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šta radimo, šta govorimo,
11:08
and even in some cases, what we think,
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pa čak u nekim slučajevima i šta mislimo
11:10
is a form of advanced weaponry.
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jeste oblik naprednog naoružanja.
11:12
And these weapons are growing too powerful,
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A ova oružja postaju suviše moćna,
11:14
available to the highest bidder,
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dostupna najboljem ponuđaču,
11:16
and according to the whims of the spy bazaar.
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i podložna su hirovima sajma špijuna.
11:19
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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