Mae Jemison on teaching arts and sciences together

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00:18
What I want to do today is spend some time talking about some stuff
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ئەوەی ئەمڕۆ بەنیازم ئەنجامی بدەم ئەوەیە
کە باس لە هەندێ شت بکەم کە
00:22
that's giving me a little bit of existential angst,
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کە کەمێک
نیگەرانی دەرونییان پێ بەخشیوم - وشەی باشترم لەلا نیە
00:26
for lack of a better word,
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00:27
over the past couple of years.
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لە چەند ساڵی رابردودا، و
00:29
And basically, these three quotes tell what's going on.
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بە کورتییەکەی ئەم سێ وتەیە
بارودۆخەکە رون دەکەنەوە.
00:34
"When God made the color purple, God was just showing off,"
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"کاتێ خودا رەنگی وەنەوشەیی دروست کرد
ویستی خۆی دەربخات." ئالیس وۆکەر
00:37
Alice Walker wrote in "The Color Purple."
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لە "رەنگی وەنەوشەیی"دا ئەمەی نوسیوە، و
00:40
And Zora Neale Hurston wrote in "Dust Tracks On A Road,"
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زۆرا نیال هێرستۆن لە
"شوێنی تۆز لەسەر رێگایەک" دا دەڵێت:
00:44
"Research is a formalized curiosity.
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"لێکۆڵینەوە حەزبەزانینکردنێکی رێکخراوە
گەڕانێکی مەبەستدارە."
00:47
It's poking and prying with a purpose."
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و دواجار
00:50
And then finally, when I think about the near future,
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کاتێ بیر لە داهاتویەکی نزیک دەکەمەوە
00:52
we have this attitude, "Well, whatever happens, happens."
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دەزانیت، ئێمە ئەم هەڵوێستەمان هەیە،
باشە، ئەوەی رو دەدات رو دەدات. راستە؟
00:56
Right?
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ئەمە بۆ چێسایەر کات گونجاوە،
00:57
So that goes along with the Cheshire Cat saying,
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کە دەڵێت "ئەگەر زۆر گوێ نەدەیتێ
00:59
"If you don't care much where you want to get to,
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کە دەتەوێت بگەیتە کوێ
01:02
it doesn't much matter which way you go."
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زۆر گرنگ نیە کام رێگەیە هەڵبژێریت."
01:04
But I think it does matter which way we go and what road we take,
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بەڵام بە بڕوای من گرنگە
بەرەو کوێ دەچین و چ رێگەیەک دەگرینە بەر
01:08
because when I think about design in the near future,
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چونکە کاتێ بیر لە نەخشەسازی دەکەمەوە
لە داهاتویەکی نزیکدا، بە بڕوای من بابەتە
01:11
what I think are the most important issues,
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هەرە گرنگەکان، ئەوەی بە راستی
01:13
what's really crucial and vital,
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زۆر بنەڕەتی و گرنگە ئەوەیە کە پێویستە ئێمە
01:15
is that we need to revitalize the arts and sciences right now,
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هونەر و زانست ببوژێنینەوە
هەر ئێستا لە ساڵی 2002 دا.
01:20
in 2002.
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-چەپڵە-
01:22
(Applause)
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ئەگەر ئێمە بڵێین داهاتوی نزیک
01:27
If we describe the near future as 10, 20, 15 years from now,
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واتە 10 - 20 - 15 ساڵی داهاتو
مانای ئەوەیە ئەوەی ئەمڕۆ ئەنجامی دەدەین
01:31
that means that what we do today is going to be critically important,
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زۆر گرنگ دەبێت
01:35
because in the year 2015, in the year 2020, 2025,
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چونکە لە ساڵی 2015 دا
و لە 2020 و 2025 دا جیهان
01:39
the world our society is going to be building on,
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و کۆمەڵگاکەمان کاری زیاتری لەسەر دەکات،
زانستە بنەڕەتی و بیرۆکە رەهاکان،
01:42
the basic knowledge and abstract ideas,
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ئەو دۆزینەوانەی کە ئەمڕۆ بەدەستیان دەهێنین،
01:44
the discoveries that we came up with today,
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هەر وەک ئەم هەمو شتە سەرنجڕاکێشەی کە ئێمە
01:47
just as all these wonderful things we're hearing about
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لێرە لە بارەیانەوە دەبیستین لە کۆنفرانسی تێد دا
01:50
here at the TED conference
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کە بە بێ منەتی دەزانین لە جیهاندا
01:52
that we take for granted in the world right now,
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لە ئێستادا، لە راستیدا زانیاری و
01:54
were really knowledge and ideas that came up
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بیرۆکە بون کە دەرکەوتون
لە ساڵانی پەنجاکان و شەستەکان و حەفتاکاندا/
01:57
in the 50s, the 60s and the 70s.
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واتە ئەو خوانەی ئێستا سودی لێ دەبینین،
02:00
That's the substrate that we're exploiting today.
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02:02
Whether it's the internet,
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ئینتەرنێت بێت،
02:03
genetic engineering, laser scanners,
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یاخود ئەندازیاری بۆماوەیی، سکانەری لەیزەری،
02:05
guided missiles, fiber optics, high-definition television,
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موشەکی ئاراستەکراو، فایبەر ئۆبتیک، چۆنایەتی بەرز
تەلەفزیۆن، هەستکردن، هەستکردنی دور
02:09
remote sensing from space and the wonderful remote-sensing photos
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لە بۆشایی ئاسمانەوە و ئەو وێنە
هەستکردنە دورانەی کە دەیبینین
02:14
that we see in 3D weaving, TV programs like Tracker and Enterprise,
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بەشێوەی سێ رەهەندی، بەرنامەی تەلەفزیۆنە وەکو تراکەر
وەکو ئینتەرپرایس، درایڤی چاپکردنی سی دی
02:19
CD-rewrite drives, flat-screen, Alvin Ailey's "Suite Otis,"
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شاشەی تەنک، سویت ئۆتسەکەی سەماکەری بەناوبانگ ئەلڤین ئەیلێی
یاخود ئەوەی سارا جۆنس کە دەڵێت "شۆڕشەکەی تۆ
02:23
or Sarah Jones's "Your Revolution Will Not [Happen] Between These Thighs,"
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لە نێوان ئەم شتانەدا نابێت" کە
02:27
which, by the way, was banned by the FCC,
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بۆ ئاگاداریتان لەلایەن ئێف سی سییەوە رێگری لێ کرا،
02:29
or ska --
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یاخود سکا، هەمو ئەم شتانە
02:30
all of these things, without question, almost without exception,
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گومانی تیا نیە، تا رادەیەکی زۆر بەبێ هەڵاوێر،
لە راستیدا هەمویان لەسەر بنەمای بیرۆکە و
02:34
are really based on ideas and abstract and creativity
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تیۆری و داهێنانی
چەندین ساڵ لەوەوبەر دامەزراون
02:38
from years before.
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02:39
So we have to ask ourselves:
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بۆیە دەبێ لە خۆمان بپرسین
02:41
What are we contributing to that legacy right now?
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ئێمە بەشدارییمان چیە بۆ ئەو میراتە
لە ئێستادا؟ و کاتێ بیر لەمە دەکەمەوە
02:44
And when I think about it,
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بە راستی نیگەرانم. بۆ ئەوەی تەواو راشکاو بم
02:46
I'm really worried.
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02:47
To be quite frank, I'm concerned.
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من نیگەرانم. بە گومانم
02:49
I'm skeptical that we're doing very much of anything.
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کە ئێمە بڕێکی زۆر هەمو شتێک دەکەین.
02:52
We're, in a sense,
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ئێمە بە جۆرێک لە جۆرەکان، سەرکەوتو نەبوین لە کرداردا
02:54
failing to act in the future.
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بۆ داهاتو. ئێمە بە مەبەست
02:57
We're purposefully, consciously being laggards.
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ئاگایانە لەشقورسین.
ئێمە دوا کەوتوین.
03:00
We're lagging behind.
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فرانتز فانۆن، کە دەرونناس بو
03:02
Frantz Fanon, who was a psychiatrist from Martinique, said,
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خەڵکی مارتینیکە دەڵێت "پێویستە هەر نەوەیەک
03:05
"Each generation must, out of relative obscurity,
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لە ناو نادیارییەکی رێژەیی دا
ئەرکی خۆی بدۆزێتەوە و یان جێبەجێی بکات، یان خیانەتی لێ بکات."
03:08
discover its mission
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03:09
and fulfill or betray it."
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ئەرکی ئێمە چیە؟ پێویستە ئێمە
03:13
What is our mission? What do we have to do?
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چی بکەین؟ بە بڕوای من ئەرکەکەمان
03:15
I think our mission is to reconcile, to reintegrate
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ئەوەیە هونەر و زانست
پیك بهێنینەوە و ئاشتیان بکەینەوە، چونکە ئێستا
03:19
science and the arts,
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03:21
because right now, there's a schism that exists in popular culture.
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جیابونەوەیەک هەیە
لە کلتوری باودا. دەزانیت،
03:26
People have this idea that science and the arts are really separate;
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خەڵک ئەو بیرۆکەیەیان هەیە کە زانست
و هونەر بە راستی لە یەکتر جیاوازن.
03:30
we think of them as separate and different things.
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ئێمە بە جیا و
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And this idea was probably introduced centuries ago,
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جیاوازیان دەزانین، و ئەم بیرۆکەیە
رەنگە چەند سەدەیەک لەمەوبەر خرابێتە رو
03:36
but it's really becoming critical now,
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بەڵام ئێستا خەریکە زۆر هەستیار دەبێت
چونکە ئێمە رۆژانە بڕیار دەدەین لەسەر
03:39
because we're making decisions about our society every day
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کۆمەڵگاکەمان کە
03:43
that, if we keep thinking that the arts are separate from the sciences,
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ئەگەر بەردەوام بین لەسەر ئەو بیرکردنەوەیەی
کە هونەر لە زانست جیاوازە
و وا بزانین کە شتێکی جوانە بڵێین
03:48
and we keep thinking it's cute to say,
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"هیچ لەمەیان تێ ناگەم
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"I don't understand anything about this one,
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هیچ لەوی تریان تێ ناگەم""
03:52
I don't understand anything about the other one,"
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ئەو کاتە کێشەمان توش دەبێت.
03:55
then we're going to have problems.
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ئێستا دەزانم کەس لێرە لە تێد
03:56
Now, I know no one here at TED thinks this.
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بەم شێوەیە بیر ناکاتەوە. هەمومان دەزانین
03:58
All of us, we already know that they're very connected.
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کە ئەم دوانە زۆر پەیوەندیدارن بەڵام من دەمەوێ
04:01
But I'm going to let you know that some folks in the outside world,
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پێتان بڵێم کە هەندێ کەس
لە جیهانی دەرەوەدا، بڕوا بکەیت یان نا
04:04
believe it or not, think it's neat when they say,
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وا دەزانن زۆر باشە کە بڵێن
04:07
"Scientists and science is not creative.
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"دەزانی، زاناکان و زانستەکان
داهێنەر نین. رەنگە زاناکان بلیمەت بن
04:10
Maybe scientists are ingenious, but they're not creative."
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بەڵام داهێنەر نین.
04:13
And then we have this tendency,
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پاشان ئێمە ئەم مەیلەمان هەیە، راوێژکاری
04:15
the career counselors and various people say things
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کارەکان و خەڵکی جیاواز قسەی لەم جۆرە دەکەن
04:17
like, "Artists are not analytical.
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"هونەرمەندەکان شیکەرەوە نین.
رەنگە بلیمەت بن
04:20
They're ingenious, perhaps,
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بەڵام شیکەرەوە نین" و
04:23
but not analytical."
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And when these concepts underlie our teaching
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کاتێ ئەم چەمکانە ببنە بنەمای فێرکردنەکەمان
04:27
and what we think about the world,
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و بنەمای بیرکردنەوەمان لە جیهان
04:29
then we have a problem,
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ئەوکاتە توشی کێشە دەبین، چونکە ئێمە
04:31
because we stymie support for everything.
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رێگری لە هاوکاری هەمو شتێک دەکەین.
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By accepting this dichotomy,
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بە قبوڵکردنی ئەم دو حاڵەتییە
04:34
whether it's tongue-in-cheek,
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چ لەو کاتەدا کە گاڵتە ئامێزە، ئەو کاتەی
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when we attempt to accommodate it in our world,
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دەمانەوێ لە جیهانەکەماندا جێی بکەینەوە
04:39
and we try to build our foundation for the world,
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و هەوڵ دەدەین بناغەکەمان داڕێژین
04:41
we're messing up the future,
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بۆ جیهان، ئێمە داهاتو تێک دەدەین
04:43
because: Who wants to be uncreative?
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چونکە، کێ دەیەوێ داهێنەر بێت؟
کێ دەیەوێ نامەنتیقی بێت؟
04:46
Who wants to be illogical?
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بەهرە لە یەکێک لەم دو بوارەوە سەرچاوە دەگرێت
04:48
Talent would run from either of these fields
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ئەگەر پێت بڵێن تۆ دەبێت یەکێکیان هەڵبژێریت.
04:50
if you said you had to choose either.
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04:51
Then they'll go to something where they think,
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ئەو کاتە بەرەو ئەوە دەچن
کە بیر دەکەنەوە دەڵێن "باشە، من دەتوانم داهێنەر بم
04:54
"Well, I can be creative and logical at the same time."
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و لە هەمان کاتیشدا مەنتیقی بم."
04:56
Now, I grew up in the '60s and I'll admit it --
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من لە ساڵانی شەستەکاندا گەورە بوم و ددانی پیا دەنێم
04:59
actually, my childhood spanned the '60s,
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لە راستیدا سەردەمی مناڵیم بە ساڵانی شەستەکاندا تێپەڕی
05:02
and I was a wannabe hippie,
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و من هیپییەکی چالاک بوم و هەمیشە
05:04
and I always resented the fact that I wasn't old enough to be a hippie.
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ئەو راستییە دەیڕەنجاندم کە من لە راستیدا
ئەوەندە تەمەنم نیە بتوانم ببم بە هیپی.
05:08
And I know there are people here, the younger generation,
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و دەزانم خەڵک هەن لێرە
خەڵکی گەنجتر کە دەیانەوێ ببن بە هیپی
05:11
who want to be hippies.
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بەڵام خەڵک هەمیشە باسی ساڵانی شەستەکان دەکات
05:13
People talk about the '60s all the time.
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و باس لەو پاشاگەردانییە دەکەن
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And they talk about the anarchy that was there.
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کە ئەو کاتە هەبو، بەڵام کاتێ من بیر
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But when I think about the '60s,
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لە ساڵانی شەستەکان دەکەمەوە، ئەوەی لێم وەرگرت ئەوە بو
05:19
what I took away from it was that there was hope for the future.
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کە هیوای بە داهاتو هەبو.
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We thought everyone could participate.
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ئێمە بڕوامان وابو هەمو کەس دەتوانێ بەشدار ببێ
05:24
There were wonderful, incredible ideas that were always percolating,
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بیرۆکەی نایاب و سەرسوڕهێنەر هەبون
کە بەردەوام دەهاتنە ئاراوە
و زۆر لەو شتانەی نایاب یان باون لەمڕۆدا
05:29
and so much of what's cool or hot today
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لە راستیدا لەسەر هەندێ لەو چەمکانە بنیاد نراون
05:32
is really based on some of those concepts,
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چ ئەوە بێت کە خەڵک هەوڵ دەدات
05:34
whether it's people trying to use the Prime Directive from Star Trek,
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کە فرمانە سەرەکییەکە لە ستار ترێکەوە وەرگرێت
05:37
being involved in things,
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کە بەشدارە لە شتەکاندا، یاخود دیسان
05:39
or, again, that three-dimensional weaving and fax machines
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کەرەسە سێ رەهەندییەکانی رستن و فاکس کە
لە خوێندنەوەی هەفتەنامەکانی
05:42
that I read about in my weekly readers
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بواری تەکنەلۆجیا و ئەندازیارییدا بینیبوم
05:44
that the technology and engineering was just getting started.
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لەو کاتەدا کە تازە دەردەکەوتن.
05:47
But the '60s left me with a problem.
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بەڵام ساڵانی شەستەکان کێشەیەکیان بۆ بەجێ هێشتم
05:49
You see, I always assumed I would go into space,
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دەبینیت، من هەمیشە وام داناوە کە دەچم
بۆ ناو بۆشایی، چونکە من شوێن هەمو ئەم شتانە کەوتوم
05:53
because I followed all of this.
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بەڵام هەروەها حەزم لە هونەر و زانستیش بووە.
05:55
But I also loved the arts and sciences.
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دەبینیت، کاتێ من گەورە دەبوم
05:58
You see, when I was growing up as a little girl and as a teenager,
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وەک کچێکی بچوک و وەک هەرزەکارێک
06:01
I loved designing and making doll clothes
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حەزم لە نەخشەسازی و دروستکردنی جلوبەرگ بو بۆ سەگەکان
و دەمویست ببم بە نەخشەسازی جلوبەرگ.
06:04
and wanting to be a fashion designer.
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06:05
I took art and ceramics.
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هونەر و سیرامیکم خوێند. حەزم لە سەما بو.
06:07
I loved dance: Lola Falana, Alvin Ailey, Jerome Robbins.
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لۆلا فالانا. ئالڤین ئایاڵێی. جۆرم رۆبنس.
و هەروەها بە حەزێکی زۆرەوە شوێن جێمنی و
06:13
And I also avidly followed the Gemini and the Apollo programs.
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بەرنامەکانی ئەپۆلۆ دەکەوتم.
06:17
I had science projects and tons of astronomy books.
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من پرۆژەی زانستی و ژمارەیەکی زۆر کتێبی
گەردونناسیم هەبو. وانەی کالکولەس و فەلسەفەشم خوێندووە.
06:21
I took calculus and philosophy.
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بیرم لە بێکۆتایی و
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I wondered about infinity and the Big Bang theory.
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لە تیۆری دەنگە گەورەکە کردۆتەوە.
و کاتێ لە ستانفۆرد بوم
06:26
And when I was at Stanford, I found myself, my senior year,
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لە دوا قۆناغ دا خۆمم بینییەوە
06:29
chemical engineering major,
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کە ئەندازیاری کیمیام دەخوێند. نیوەی خەڵك
06:30
half the folks thought I was a political science and performing arts major,
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وایان دەزانی زانستی سیاسی و
هونەری نمایشی دەخوێنم، چونکە تا رادەیەک راست بو
06:34
which was sort of true, because I was Black Student Union President,
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چونکە من سەرۆکی یەکێتی خوێندکارە رەشپێستەکان بوم
06:37
and I did major in some other things.
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و چەند بوارێکی تریشم خوێندبو
06:39
And I found myself the last quarter
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و لە وەرزی کۆتاییدا خۆمم بینییەوە
06:41
juggling chemical engineering separation processes,
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بەردەوام سەرقاڵی پرۆسەی جیاکردنەوەی ئەندازیاری کیمیاوییم،
06:43
logic classes, nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy,
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سەرقاڵی وانەی مەنتیقی و دەنگدانەوەی
شەپۆلیی موگناتیسیی ناوەکی و هەروەها سەرقاڵی بەرهەمهێنان و
06:46
and also producing and choreographing a dance production.
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دانانی شێوازی سەماکردن بوم.
و دەبو من روناکی و
06:51
And I had to do the lighting and the design work,
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نەخشەسازییەکە ئەنجام بدەم، و هەوڵم دەدا بزانم
06:53
and I was trying to figure out:
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ئایا دەچم بۆ نیۆیۆرک سیتی
06:55
Do I go to New York City to try to become a professional dancer,
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بۆ ئەوەی هەوڵ بدەم ببم بە سەماکارێکی پیشەیی
یاخود دەچمە کۆلێجی پزیشکی؟
06:59
or to go to medical school?
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07:00
Now, my mother helped me figure that one out.
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دایکم یارمەتی دام
07:03
(Laughter)
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ئەمە چارەسەر بکەم. -پێکەنین-
07:06
But when I went into space, I carried a number of things up with me.
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بەڵام کاتێ چومە بۆشاییەوە
کاتێ چومە بۆشاییەوە لەگەڵ خۆمدا
07:10
I carried a poster by Alvin Ailey --
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کۆمەڵێک شتم برد. پۆستەرێکم برد
07:12
you can figure out now, I love the dance company --
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کە هی ئەلڤن ئایڵێی بو، کە ئێستا دەتوانن بیبینن
من حەزم لە سەمایە.
07:15
an Alvin Ailey poster of Judith Jamison performing the dance "Cry,"
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پۆستەرێکی ئەلڤن ئایڵێی لەسەر جودیث جەمسن
07:18
dedicated to all black women everywhere;
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کە سەمای "گریان" ئەنجام دەدەن، پێشکەشە بە هەمو
07:20
a Bundu statue, which was from the women's society in Sierra Leone;
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ژنە رەشپێستەکانی جیهان. پەیکەرێکی بوندو
کە لە کۆمەڵگای ژنانەوە
07:24
and a certificate for the Chicago Public School students
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لە سیرالیۆنەوە هاتبو، و هەروەها بڕوانامنەیەک لە
خوێندکارانی خوێندنگەی گشتی شیکاگۆوە کە کار بکەن بۆ
07:27
to work to improve their science and math.
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پەرەپێدانی زانست و بیرکارییەکەیان
07:30
And folks asked me,
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و خەڵک لێی پرسیم
07:32
"Why did you take up what you took up?"
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"بۆچی ئەم شتانەت برد؟"
من ناچار بوم بڵێم
07:35
And I had to say,
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"Because it represents human creativity;
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"چونکە ئەمە دەرخەری داهێنەرایەتی مرۆڤە،
ئەو داهێنەرایەتییەی کە رێگەی پێداین، کە ئێمە
07:39
the creativity that allowed us,
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داوامان لێ کراوە تێبگەین و کەشتی ئاسمانی
07:41
that we were required to have to conceive and build and launch
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دروست بکەین و بینێرینە ئاسمان، ئەمە لە هەمان سەرچاوەوە هاتووە
07:44
the space shuttle,
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کە ئەو خەیاڵ و شیکردنەوەیەی ویستووە
07:46
which springs from the same source as the imagination and analysis
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بۆ هەڵکۆڵینی پەیکەری بوندو پێویست بووە،
07:49
that it took to carve a Bundu statue,
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یان ئەو بلیمەتییەی کە پێویست بووە بۆ نەخشەسازی
07:51
or the ingenuity it took to design, choreograph and stage "Cry."
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بۆ داڕشتنی سەما، و نمایشکردنی "گریان"
هەر یەکە لەم
07:57
Each one of them are different manifestations, incarnations,
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دەربڕین و بەرجەستەکردنانەی داهێنان
08:00
of creativity -- avatars of human creativity.
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دەرخەری داهێنەرایەتی مرۆڤن
و ئەمەیە کە پێویستە ئاشتی بکەینەوە
08:05
And that's what we have to reconcile in our minds,
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لە مێشکماندا، کە چۆن ئەم شتانە پێکەوە دەگونجێن.
08:07
how these things fit together.
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08:08
The difference between arts and sciences is not analytical versus intuitive.
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جیاوازی نێوان هونەر و زانست
بریتی نیە لە جیاوازی نێوان شیکردنەوە و لەخۆوە زانین، راستە؟
08:13
Right?
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وزە یەکسانە بە بارستایی کەڕەتی دوجای خێرایی
08:14
E = mc2 required an intuitive leap,
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پێویستی بە بازدانێکی لەخۆوەزانین هەبو، پاشان نۆرەی
08:18
and then you had to do the analysis afterwards.
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شیکردنەوەکە هاتووە.
لە راستیدا ئەنیشتاین وتوێتی "جوانترین شت
08:21
Einstein said, in fact,
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience
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کە بتوانین ئەزمونی بکەین بریتییە لە نەزانراو.
08:25
is the mysterious.
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ئەوە سەرچاوەی هەمو راستی و زانستەکان."
08:26
It is the source of all true art and science."
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سەما داوای دەربڕین و ئامادەیی
08:29
Dance requires us to express and want to express
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دەربڕینی خۆشییەکانی ژیانمان لێ دەکات، بەڵام دواتر تۆ
08:32
the jubilation in life,
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دەبێ بزانیت کە بە وردی
08:33
but then you have to figure out:
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چ جوڵەیەک دەبێت بکەیت
08:35
Exactly what movement do I do
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08:36
to make sure it comes across correctly?
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بۆ ئەوەی سەماکەت بە شێوەیەکی راست ئەنجام بدەیت؟
هەروەها جیاوازییەکانی نێوان هونەر و زانست
08:39
The difference between arts and sciences
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08:40
is also not constructive versus deconstructive.
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بریتی نیە لە دروستکەر و
هەڵوەشێنەر، راستە؟ زۆر کەس
08:44
A lot of people think of the sciences as deconstructive,
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زانست بە شتێکی هەڵوەشێنەر دەزانن.
پێویستە تۆ شتەکان لەیەکتر بکەیتەوە.
08:47
you have to pull things apart.
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08:48
And yeah, subatomic physics is deconstructive --
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و بەڵێ ، فیزیای ناوەکی
هەڵوەشێنەرە. تۆ بە تەواوی هەوڵ دەدەیت
08:51
you literally try to tear atoms apart
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گەردیلەکان هەڵوەشێنیت بۆ ئەوەی تێ بگەیت
08:54
to understand what's inside of them.
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کە چییان تێدایە. بەڵام پەیکەر،
08:56
But sculpture, from what I understand from great sculptors,
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وەک ئەوەی لە پەیکەرسازە مەزنەکانەوە فێری بوم،
هەڵوەشێنەرە، چونکە تۆ پارچەیەک دەبینیت
09:00
is deconstructive,
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و ئەو شتانە لادەبەیت کە پێویست ناکات
09:01
because you see a piece and you remove what doesn't need to be there.
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لەوێدا بن.
09:04
Biotechnology is constructive.
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بایۆتەکنەلۆجیا دروستکەرە.
رێکخستنی ئۆرکێسترایی دروستکەرە.
09:07
Orchestral arranging is constructive.
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کەواتە ئێمە لە راستیدا تەکنیکەکانی
09:09
So, in fact, we use constructive and deconstructive techniques
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دروستکەر و هەڵوەشێنەر لە هەمو شتێکدا بەکار دەهێنین.
09:12
in everything.
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جیاوازی نێوان زانست و
09:14
The difference between science and the arts
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هونەر ئەوە نیە کە ئەمانە
09:17
is not that they are different sides of the same coin, even,
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دو دیوی جیاوازی هەمان دراو بن، تەنانەت
دو بەشی جیاوازی
09:21
or even different parts of the same continuum,
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هەمان زنجیرە بن، بەڵکو
09:23
but rather, they're manifestations of the same thing.
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ئەوانە دەربڕینی هەمان شتن.
09:27
Different quantum states of an atom?
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حاڵەتی جیاوازی کوانتۆمی هەمان گەردیلەن؟
یاخود ئەگەر بمەوێ زیاتر سەدەی بیستویەکی بم
09:30
Or maybe if I want to be more 21st century,
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دەتوانم بڵێم دەنگدانەوەی جیاوازی
09:32
I could say that they're different harmonic resonances of a superstring.
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دەنگدانەوەی هەمان ژێن.
09:35
But we'll leave that alone.
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بەڵام با واز لەمەیان بهێنین. -پێکەنین-
09:37
They spring from the same source.
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هەردوکیان لەهەمان سەرچاوەوە هەڵدەقوڵێن
09:39
The arts and sciences are avatars of human creativity.
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هونەر و زانست دەرخەرئ
داهێنەرایەتی مرۆڤن. هەوڵدانی ئێمەن
09:42
It's our attempt as humans
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وەکو مرۆڤ بۆ تێگەیشتن لە
09:44
to build an understanding of the universe, the world around us.
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گەردون، لە جیهانی چواردەورمان.
09:47
It's our attempt to influence things,
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هەوڵدانی ئێمەن بۆ تێگەیشتن لە شتەکان
لەو گەردونەی ناو خۆمان و
09:50
the universe internal to ourselves
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دەرەوەمان.
09:52
and external to us.
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The sciences, to me, are manifestations of our attempt to express or share
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بە لای منەوە زانست دەرخەری
هەوڵەکانمانە بۆ دەربڕین
یاخود هاوبەشی پێکردنی تێگەیشتنەکانمان
09:59
our understanding, our experience,
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یاخود ئەزمونەکانمان، بۆ کارکردنە سەر گەردونەکەی
10:02
to influence the universe external to ourselves.
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دەرەوەی خۆمان.
10:05
It doesn't rely on us as individuals.
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ئەوە ناکەوێتەوە سەر خۆمان وەکو تاکەکەس.
ئەوە گەردونە، وەک هەموان
10:08
It's the universe, as experienced by everyone.
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ئەزمونی دەکەن، و هونەر دەرخەری
10:11
The arts manifest our desire,
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ئارەزو و هەوڵدانەکەمانە بۆ هاوبەشی پێکردن
10:13
our attempt to share or influence others
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یاخود بۆ کاریگەری خستنە سەر خەڵکانی تر لە رێگەی ئەو ئەزمونانەوە
10:16
through experiences that are peculiar to us as individuals.
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کە تایبەتە بە ئێمە وەکو تاکەکەس.
بهێڵە با بە شێوەیەکی تر دوبارەی بکەمەوە:
10:20
Let me say it again another way:
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science provides an understanding of a universal experience,
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and arts provide a universal understanding
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10:29
of a personal experience.
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10:32
That's what we have to think about,
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that they're all part of us, they're all part of a continuum.
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10:37
It's not just the tools, it's not just the sciences,
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the mathematics and the numerical stuff and the statistics,
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because we heard, very much on this stage,
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people talked about music being mathematical.
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10:49
Arts don't just use clay,
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aren't the only ones that use clay, light and sound and movement.
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They use analysis as well.
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10:59
So people might say,
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"Well, I still like that intuitive versus analytical thing,"
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because everybody wants to do the right brain, left brain thing.
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11:07
We've all been accused of being right-brained or left-brained
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11:10
at some point in time,
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depending on who we disagreed with.
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11:13
(Laughter)
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You know, people say "intuitive" --
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that's like you're in touch with nature,
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11:18
in touch with yourself and relationships;
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analytical, you put your mind to work.
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11:22
I'm going to tell you a little secret. You all know this, though.
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11:25
But sometimes people use this analysis idea,
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11:27
that things are outside of ourselves,
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to say, this is what we're going to elevate
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11:33
as the true, most important sciences, right?
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11:36
Then you have artists -- and you all know this is true as well --
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artists will say things about scientists
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because they say they're too concrete, they're disconnected from the world.
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But, we've even had that here on stage,
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so don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about.
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11:52
(Laughter)
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11:53
We had folks talking about the Flat Earth Society
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11:56
and flower arrangers,
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so there's this whole dichotomy
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that we continue to carry along, even when we know better.
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12:02
And folks say we need to choose either-or.
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12:06
But it would really be foolish to choose either one,
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12:09
intuitive versus analytical.
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That's a foolish choice.
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12:12
It's foolish just like trying to choose between being realistic or idealistic.
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You need both in life.
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Why do people do this?
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12:20
I'm going to quote a molecular biologist, Sydney Brenner,
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12:23
who's 70 years old, so he can say this.
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He said, "It's always important to distinguish between chastity
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and impotence."
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Now --
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(Laughter)
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I want to share with you a little equation, OK?
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How does understanding science and the arts fit into our lives
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and what's going on
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and the things we're talking about here at the design conference?
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And this is a little thing I came up with:
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understanding
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and our resources and our will
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cause us to have outcomes.
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Our understanding is our science, our arts, our religion;
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how we see the universe around us;
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our resources, our money, our labor, our minerals --
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those things that are out there in the world we have to work with.
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But more importantly, there's our will.
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This is our vision,
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our aspirations of the future, our hopes, our dreams,
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our struggles and our fears.
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Our successes and our failures influence what we do with all of those.
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And to me, design and engineering, craftsmanship and skilled labor,
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are all the things that work on this to have our outcome,
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which is our human quality of life.
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Where do we want the world to be?
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And guess what?
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Regardless of how we look at this,
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whether we look at arts and sciences as separate or different,
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they're both being influenced now and they're both having problems.
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I did a project called S.E.E.ing the Future:
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Science, Engineering and Education.
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It was looking at how to shed light
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on the most effective use of government funding.
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We got a bunch of scientists in all stages of their careers.
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They came to Dartmouth College, where I was teaching.
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And they talked about, with theologians and financiers:
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What are some of the issues of public funding
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for science and engineering research?
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What's most important about it?
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There are some ideas that emerged
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that I think have really powerful parallels to the arts.
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The first thing they said was that the circumstances
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that we find ourselves in today in the sciences and engineering
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that made us world leaders
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are very different than the '40s, the '50s, and the '60s and the '70s,
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when we emerged as world leaders,
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because we're no longer in competition with fascism,
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with Soviet-style communism.
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And by the way, that competition wasn't just military;
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it included social competition and political competition as well,
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that allowed us to look at space as one of those platforms
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to prove that our social system was better.
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Another thing they talked about was that the infrastructure
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that supports the sciences
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is becoming obsolete.
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We look at universities and colleges --
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small, mid-sized community colleges across the country --
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their laboratories are becoming obsolete.
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And this is where we train most of our science workers
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and our researchers -- and our teachers, by the way.
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And there's a media that doesn't support the dissemination of any more than
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the most mundane and inane of information.
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There's pseudoscience, crop circles, alien autopsy, haunted houses,
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or disasters.
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And that's what we see.
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This isn't really the information you need to operate in everyday life
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and figure out how to participate in this democracy
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and determine what's going on.
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They also said there's a change in the corporate mentality.
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Whereas government money had always been there
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for basic science and engineering research,
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we also counted on some companies to do some basic research.
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But what's happened now is companies put more energy
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into short-term product development
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than they do in basic engineering and science research.
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And education is not keeping up.
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In K through 12, people are taking out wet labs.
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They think if we put a computer in the room,
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it's going to take the place of actually mixing the acids
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or growing the potatoes.
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And government funding is decreasing in spending,
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and then they're saying, let's have corporations take over,
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and that's not true.
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Government funding should at least do things
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like recognize cost benefits of basic science and engineering research.
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We have to know that we have a responsibility as global citizens
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in this world.
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We have to look at the education of humans.
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We need to build our resources today to make sure that they're trained
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so they understand the importance of these things.
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And we have to support the vitality of science.
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That doesn't mean that everything has to have one thing that's going to go on,
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or that we know exactly what's going to be the outcome of it,
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but that we support the vitality and the intellectual curiosity
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that goes along [with it].
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And if you think about those parallels to the arts --
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the competition with the Bolshoi Ballet spurred
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the Joffrey and the New York City Ballet to become better.
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Infrastructure, museums, theaters, movie houses across the country
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are disappearing.
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We have more television stations with less to watch,
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we have more money spent on rewrites
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to get old television programs
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in the movies.
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We have corporate funding now that,
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when it goes to support the arts,
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it almost requires that the product be part of the picture
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that the artist draws.
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We have stadiums that are named over and over again by corporations.
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In Houston, we're trying to figure out what to do with that Enron Stadium thing.
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(Laughter)
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Fine arts and education in the schools is disappearing,
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And we have a government that seems like it's gutting the NEA
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and other programs.
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So we have to really stop and think:
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What are we trying to do with the sciences and the arts?
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There's a need to revitalize them.
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We have to pay attention to it.
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I just want to tell you quickly what I'm doing --
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(Applause)
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I want to tell you what I've been doing a little bit since ...
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I feel this need to sort of integrate some of the ideas
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that I've had and run across over time.
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One of the things that I found out is that there's a need to repair
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the dichotomy between the mind and body as well.
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My mother always told me, you have to be observant,
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know what's going on in your mind and your body.
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And as a dancer, I had this tremendous faith in my ability to know my body,
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just as I knew how to sense colors.
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Then I went to medical school,
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and I was supposed to just go on what the machine said about bodies.
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You know, you would ask patients questions and some people would tell you,
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"Don't listen to what the patient said."
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We know that patients know and understand their bodies better,
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but these days we're trying to divorce them from that idea.
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We have to reconcile the patient's knowledge of their body
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with physicians' measurements.
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We had someone talk about measuring emotions
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and getting machines to figure out what to keep us from acting crazy.
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No, we shouldn't measure.
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We shouldn't use machines to measure road rage
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and then do something to keep us from engaging in it.
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Maybe we can have machines help us to recognize that we have road rage,
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and then we need to know how to control that without the machines.
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We even need to be able to recognize that without the machines.
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What I'm very concerned about is:
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How do we bolster our self-awareness as humans, as biological organisms?
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Michael Moschen spoke of having to teach
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and learn how to feel with my eyes, to see with my hands.
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We have all kinds of possibilities to use our senses by,
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and that's what we have to do.
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That's what I want to do --
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to try to use bioinstrumentation, those kind of things,
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to help our senses in what we do.
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That's the work I've been doing now,
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as a company called BioSentient Corporation.
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I figured I'd have to do that ad, because I'm an entrepreneur,
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and "entrepreneur" says "somebody who does what they want to do,
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because they're not broke enough that they have to get a real job."
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(Laughter)
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But that's the work I'm doing, BioSentient Corporation,
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trying to figure out: How do we integrate these things?
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Let me finish by saying that my personal design issue for the future
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is really about integrating;
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to think about that intuitive and that analytical.
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The arts and sciences are not separate.
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High school physics lesson before you leave:
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high school physics teacher used to hold up a ball.
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She would say, "This ball has potential energy.
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But nothing will happen to it, it can't do any work,
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until I drop it and it changes states."
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I like to think of ideas as potential energy.
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They're really wonderful,
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but nothing will happen until we risk putting them into action.
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This conference is filled with wonderful ideas.
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We're going to share lots of things with people.
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But nothing's going to happen
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until we risk putting those ideas into action.
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We need to revitalize the arts and sciences today.
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We need to take responsibility for the future.
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We can't hide behind saying it's just for company profits,
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or it's just a business,
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or I'm an artist or an academician.
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Here's how you judge what you're doing:
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I talked about that balance between intuitive, analytical.
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Fran Lebowitz, my favorite cynic,
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said, "The three questions of greatest concern ..." --
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now I'm going to add on to design --
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"... are: Is it attractive?"
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That's the intuitive.
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"Is it amusing?" -- the analytical,
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and, "Does it know its place?" -- the balance.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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