Isaac Mizrahi: Fashion, passion, and about a million other

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Rumi Chae ๊ฒ€ํ† : Seo Rim Kim
00:18
I have, like, a thing about sleeping.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ž ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:20
I don't sleep that much,
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์ €๋Š” ์ž ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
and I've come to this thing about, like, not sleeping much
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ž ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž์ง€์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
00:24
as being a great virtue,
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00:25
after years of kind of battling it
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๋”์ฐํ•œ ์†ํ•ด๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ๋…„๋™์•ˆ ๊ณ ๊ตฐ๋ถ„ํˆฌํ•œ ํ›„์—
00:27
as being a terrible detriment or something.
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๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ์žฅ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
And now I really like sort of sitting up.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊นจ์–ด์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
You know, but for years, I've been sitting up,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ๊นจ์–ด์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
00:34
and I think my creativity is greatly motivated
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €์˜ ์ฐฝ์˜์„ฑ์€ ๋‹ค๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋ถˆ๋ฉด์ฆ์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ธํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
by this kind of insomnia.
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00:41
I lie awake. I think thoughts. I walk aimlessly sometimes.
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์ €๋Š” ๊นฌ ์ƒํƒœ๋กœ ๋ˆ„์›Œ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ชฉ์ ์—†์ด ๊ฑท์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:46
I used to walk more at night.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ฐค์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฑธ์–ด๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
I walk during the day, and I follow people who I think look interesting.
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๋‚ฎ์— ๊ฑธ์„๋•, ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์–ด ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
(Laughter)
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(ํ•˜ํ•˜)
00:54
And sometimes -- actually, once it was on "Page Six" in the "Post"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋”, ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์€ ํฌ์ŠคํŠธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽ˜์ด์ง€ ์‹์Šค๋ผ๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ
00:58
that I was cruising this guy, like, sort of, whatever,
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์ด ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๋‹ค๋…”์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ, ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“ ์ง€,
01:01
but I was actually just following because he had these great shoes on --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์‹ ๋ฐœ์„ ์‹ ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
01:04
(Laughter)
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๋‹ค๋…”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:05
so I was following this guy.
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01:07
And I took a picture of his shoes,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‚จ์ž์˜ ์‹ ๋ฐœ์„ ์‚ฌ์ง„ ์ฐ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:08
and we thanked each other and just went on our way.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฐ์ž์˜ ๊ธธ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฒ„๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ผ์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:11
But I do that all the time.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์ €์˜ ๋””์ž์ธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€
01:12
As a matter of fact, I think a lot of my design ideas
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01:15
come from mistakes and tricks of the eye.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋‚˜ ๋ˆˆ์†์ž„์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:19
Because I feel like, you know, there are so many images out there,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์„ธ์ƒ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
01:23
so many clothes out there.
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๋งŽ์€ ์˜ท๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
And the only ones that look interesting to me
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€
01:28
are the ones that look slightly mistaken, of course,
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์‚ด์ง ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก ,
01:32
or very, very surprising.
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๋˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
01:34
And often, I'm driving in a taxi,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ž์ฃผ ํƒ์‹œ ์šด์ „์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
01:36
and I see a hole in a shirt or something that looks very interesting
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์…”์ธ  ๊ตฌ๋ฉ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ด์˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
01:40
or pretty or functional
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01:41
in some way that I'd never seen happen before.
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๊ทธ์ „์—” ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณคํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
And so I'd make the car stop, and I'd get out of the car and walk
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ  ๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๊ฑท์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
and see that, in fact, there wasn't a hole,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ณด๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์…”์ธ  ๊ตฌ๋ฉ์€ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ฐฉ์‹œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:51
but it was a trick of my eye; it was a shadow, you know.
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:54
Or if there was a hole, I'd think like, "Oh, damn.
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๋˜๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ตฌ๋ฉ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด, '์ด๋Ÿฐ,
01:56
Actually, someone thought of that thought already.
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๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋จผ์ € ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ตฐ' ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ ์ž˜๋ชป์„ ์ €์งˆ๋ €๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋”์ด์ƒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ• ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
Someone made that mistake already, so I can't do it anymore."
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02:02
I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์˜๊ฐ์ด ์˜ค๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:05
It does not come, for me, from research.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์„œ ์–ป์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
I don't get necessarily inspired by research.
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋กœ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์–ป์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
As a matter of fact,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋˜ ์ผ ์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
02:12
one of the most fun things I've ever done in my whole life
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์ œ ์ธ์ƒ ์ „์ฒด์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘์—
02:15
was this Christmas season at the Guggenheim in New York.
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๋‰ด์š•์˜ ๊ตฌ๊ฒํ•˜์ž„์—์„œ ์ด๋ฒˆ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค ์‹œ์ฆŒ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:18
I read "Peter and the Wolf" with this beautiful band from Juilliard,
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์ €๋Š” ์ฅด๋ฆฌ์–ด๋“œ์—์„œ์˜จ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๋ฐด๋“œ์˜ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ํ”ผํ„ฐ์™€ ๋Š‘๋Œ€๋ผ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:22
and I did, like, you know, the narrator, and I read it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ ˆ์ดํ„ฐ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:25
And I saw this really smart critic who I love,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•œ ๋น„ํ‰๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
this woman Joan Acocella, who's a friend of mine.
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์กฐ์•ˆ ์•„์ฝ”์…€๋ผ๋ผ๋Š” ์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ ์ €์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:30
And she came backstage and said,
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋’ค๋กœ ์™€์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
"Oh, Isaac, did you know that -- talk to me about Stalinism
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์˜ค, ์•„์ด์ž‘, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์•„๋‹ˆ? ๋ผ๋ฉฐ ์Šคํƒˆ๋ฆฌ๋‹ˆ์ฆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:34
and talk to me about, you know, like, the '30s in Russia."
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์˜ 1930๋…„๋Œ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:37
And I thought, "How do I know about Stalinism?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์Šคํƒˆ๋ฆฌ๋‹ˆ์ฆ˜์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋‹ˆ?
02:40
I know about a wolf and a bird,
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์ €๋Š” ๋Š‘๋Œ€๋‚˜ ์ƒˆ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:42
and, you know, he ate the bird,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ƒˆ๋ฅผ ๋จน์—ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋์— ๋“ฃ์ฃ 
02:43
and then in the end, you know, you hear the bird squeaking or something.
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์ƒˆ๊ฐ€ ์ฐ์ฐ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ์ตธ?
02:47
(Laughter)
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง๋กœ--
02:48
So I don't really know that, I don't really --
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02:50
actually, I do my own kind of research, you know?
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์ € ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:53
If I'm commissioned to do the costumes for an 18th-century opera
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ 18์„ธ๊ธฐ ์˜คํŽ˜๋ผ์— ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋‹ด๋‹นํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‚˜
02:56
or something like that,
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02:58
I will do a lot of research, because it's interesting,
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์ €๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฐŒ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
03:00
not because it's what I'm supposed to do.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
03:03
I'm very, very, very inspired by movies.
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์ €๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜ํ™”๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:06
The color of movies and the way light makes the colors.
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์˜ํ™”์˜ ์ƒ‰๊ฐ์ด๋‚˜ ์ƒ‰๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋น›์˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•
03:10
Light from behind the projection or light from the projection
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์˜์‚ฌ๋œ ํ™”๋ฉด ๋’ค์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๋น›,
ํ˜น์€ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๋น›์€ ์ƒ‰๊น”์„ ์ •๋ง ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋„๋ก ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:14
makes the colors look so impossible.
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03:17
Anyway, roll this little clip. I'll just show you.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ์งง์€ ์˜์ƒ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:20
I sit up at night, and I watch movies,
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฐค์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
and I watch women in movies a lot.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ํ™”์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์„ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
And I think about, you know, their roles
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์—ญํ• ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
and about how you have to, like, watch what your daughters look at.
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๋˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์˜ ๋”ธ๋“ค์ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:33
Because I look at the way women are portrayed all the time,
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์˜ํ™”์†์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ค์ง€๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:36
whether they're kind of glorified in this way,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏธํ™”๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€
03:40
or whether they're kind of, you know, ironically glorified,
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ฐ˜์–ด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏธํ™”๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€
03:45
or whether they're sort of denigrated or ironically denigrated.
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ํ˜น์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ„ํ•˜๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ๋ฐ˜์–ด์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ„ํ•˜๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ๋ง์ด์—์š”
03:51
I go back to color all the time.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์ƒ‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
Color is something that motivates me a lot.
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์ƒ‰์€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์ฃ .
์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ž์—ฐ์—์„œ ์ฐพ์€ ์ƒ‰์€ ํฌ๊ท€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
It's rarely color that I find in nature,
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04:02
although, you know, juxtaposed next to artificial color,
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๋น„๋ก ๋ถ€์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ‰ ์˜†์— ๋‚˜๋ž€ํžˆ ๋†“๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:07
natural color is so beautiful.
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์ž์—ฐ์˜ ์ƒ‰์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์ฃ 
04:10
So that's what I do. I study color a lot.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ‰์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ฃ 
04:13
But for the most part, I think, like, how can I ever make anything
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:20
that is as beautiful as that image of Natalie Wood?
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๋‚˜ํƒˆ๋ฆฌ ์šฐ๋“œ์˜ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€ ๋งŒํผ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€?
04:23
How can I ever make anything as beautiful as Greta Garbo?
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ ˆํƒ€ ๊ฐˆ๋ณด๋งŒํผ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€?
04:27
I mean, that's just not possible. You know?
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
04:30
And so that's what makes me lie awake at night, I guess.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐค์— ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊นจ์–ด์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:35
I'm also like a big --
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ตฐ์š” --์ € ๋˜ํ•œ ํฐ ๋ญ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š”--
์ €๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ์ ์„ฑ๊ฐ€๋‚˜ ํƒ€๋กœ์นด๋“œ ์ฝ์–ด ์ฃผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๊ฐ€์ฃ .
04:39
I go to astrologers and tarot card readers often,
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04:42
and that's another thing that motivates me a lot.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ €๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž๊ทนํ•˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—์š”.
์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ•˜์ฃ . ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐํ•ด. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ ์„ฑ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์š”.
04:45
People say, "Do that" -- an astrologer tells me to do something,
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04:48
so I do it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ•˜์ฃ .
04:49
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:50
When I was about 21, an astrologer told me
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์ œ๊ฐ€ 21์‚ด ์ด์—ˆ์„ ๋Œ€, ์ ์„ฑ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:54
that I was going to meet the man of my dreams,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฟˆ๊พธ๋˜ ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์—์š”.
04:56
and that his name was going to be Eric, right?
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๊ทธ ๋‚จ์ž ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ์—๋ฆญ ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
04:59
So, you know, for years I would go to bars
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋…„๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ”์—๊ฐ€์„œ
05:01
and, sort of, anyone I met whose name was Eric,
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์—๋ฆญ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์ฃ .
05:03
I was humping immediately or something.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ชธ์„ ๊ตฌ๋ถ€๋ ธ์ฃ . ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ–‰๋™์„..
05:05
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:08
There were times when I was so desperate,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ„์ ˆํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
์ €๋Š” ์˜ค์ง ๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑธ์–ด๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ, ์—๋ฆญ! ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์š”.
05:10
I would just walk into a room and go, "Eric?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“  ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ–ฅํ•ด ์ผ์ง์„ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑธ์–ด๊ฐ€์š”
05:12
And anybody who would turn around, I would make a beeline for.
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:15
(Laughter)
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05:16
And I had this really interesting tarot reading a long time ago.
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์˜ค๋ž˜์ „์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ํƒ€๋กœ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
05:19
The last card he pulled, which was representing my destiny,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ๊บผ๋‚ธ ์นด๋“œ๋Š” ์ œ ์šด๋ช…์„ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”
05:22
was this guy in, like, a straw boater with a cane
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๊ทธ ์นด๋“œ์—๋Š” ์ง€ํŒก์ด์™€ ๋ฐ€์งš ๋ชจ์ž๋ฅผ์“ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:25
and, you know, sort of spats and this, you know, a minstrel singer, right?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ฅ์‹ ๊ฐ์‹  ๋ง๋‹คํˆผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ด ์นด๋“œ๋Š” ์ค‘์„ธ ์Œ์•…๊ฐ€์˜€์ฃ , ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
05:28
I want to show you this clip,
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์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ, ์ €๋Š” ์บฌ๋ฐ”๋ ˆ ๊ณต์—ฐ์—์„œํ•˜๋Š”
05:30
because I do this kind of crazy thing where I do a cabaret act.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ–‰๋™๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ƒ์ด์—์š”.
05:34
So actually, check this out.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ข€ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
05:35
Very embarrassing.
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๋งค์šฐ ๋‹นํ™ฉ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๋„ค์š”.
05:37
(Video) (Applause)
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05:38
Thank you. We'll do anything you ask.
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๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
์ด ์‡ผ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์— ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”
05:42
The name of the show is based on this story that I have to tell you,
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05:47
about my mother.
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์ €์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
05:48
It's sort of an excerpt from a quote of hers.
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์ด๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋…€ ๋ง์„ ์ธ์šฉํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐœ์ทŒํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:50
I was dating this guy, right?
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ๋‚จ์ž์™€ ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด.
05:52
And this has to do with being happy, I swear.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ž‘ ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์•ผ๊ฒ ์ง€. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งน์„ธํ•ด.
05:55
I was dating this guy, and it was going on for about a year,
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์•ฝ ์ผ๋…„์ „์— ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ๋‚จ์ž์™€ ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
06:02
and we were getting serious,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€,
06:03
so we decided to invite them all to dinner, our parents.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์„ ์ €๋…์‹์‚ฌ์— ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์–ด.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์„œ๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ–ˆ์ง€.
06:06
We introduced them to each other.
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์ œ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์„ ์ผ์—ˆ์ฃ .
06:07
My mother was, sort of, very sensitive to his mother,
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06:10
who, it seemed, was a little bit skeptical
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๊ทธ์˜ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํšŒ์˜์ ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”
06:13
about the whole "alternative lifestyle" thing --
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06:15
you know, homosexuality.
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๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ๋™์„ฑ์•  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
06:17
So my mother was a little offended, and turned to her and said,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์˜ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ฐ์ •์ด ์ƒํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ๋Œ์•„์„œ์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
๋†๋‹ดํ•ด์š”? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ตœ์ƒ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
06:20
"Are you kidding? They have the greatest life together.
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06:22
They eat out, they see shows ..."
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ฐ™์ด ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๋ด์š”."
06:25
They eat out, they see shows.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ , ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๋ณธ๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
06:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:28
That's the name of the show, "They eat out, they --"
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์‡ผ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€-
06:30
That's on my tombstone when I die:
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚˜์˜ ๋ฌ˜๋น„๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:32
"He ate out, he saw shows." Right?
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"๊ทธ๋Š” ์™ธ์‹์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•˜๋‹ค"
06:35
(Laughter)
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06:37
So in editing these clips,
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์ฃ ์˜ ๋งฅ์ฃผ์ง‘์—์„œ ๋…ธ๋ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•  ๋•Œ,
06:40
I didn't have the audacity to edit a clip of me singing at Joe's Pub.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ป”๋ป”ํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •์ด ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”
06:44
So you'll have to go check it out and come see me or something,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ ˆ ๋ณด๋ ค๋ฉด ์ง์ ‘ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ณด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•ด์•ผํ• ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
06:47
because it's mortifying.
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์™œ๋‚˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ตด์š•์ ์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ...
06:49
And yet, it feels --
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06:52
I don't know how to put this.
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์ด ๊ฐ์ •์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
06:54
I feel as little comfort as possible is a good thing. You know?
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œํ•œ ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ์˜ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
07:00
And at least, you know, in my case,
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์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ์ œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
07:03
because if I just do one thing all the time,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ๋งŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:07
I don't know, I get very, very bored. I bore very easily.
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์ €๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์งˆ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
07:13
And you know, I don't say that I do everything well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒ ์ฃ 
07:19
I just say that I do a lot of things, that's all.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ '์ €๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์š”' ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์ „๋ถ€๊ฒ ์ฃ 
07:22
And I kind of try not to look back, you know?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋’ค๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
07:26
Except, I guess that's what staying up every night is about --
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๋งค์ผ ๋ฐค ๊นจ์–ด์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ์š”
07:29
like, looking back and thinking, "What a fool you made of yourself."
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ํšŒ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ , ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ณด๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋‹ค๋‹ˆ!
07:32
You know?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
07:34
But I guess that's OK. Right?
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07:36
(Laughter)
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07:37
Because if you do many things,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:38
you get to feel lousy about everything, and not just one, you know?
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ• ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋ฉด.
07:42
You don't master feeling lousy about one thing.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์•ˆ ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์„ ์ œ์–ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ด์š”.
07:45
Yeah, exactly.
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๋งž์ฃ .
07:48
I will show you this next thing,
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๋‹ค์Œ ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค„๊ฒŒ์š”
07:51
speaking of costumes for operas.
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์˜คํŽ˜๋ผ์˜ ์˜์ƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—์š”.
07:52
I do work with different choreographers.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์•ˆ๋ฌด๊ฐ€์™€ ์ผํ•ด์š”.
07:54
I work with Twyla Tharp a lot
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ํƒ€์ผ๋ผ ํŠธ์™€ํ”„์™€๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ผํ–ˆ์ฃ 
07:56
and I work with Mark Morris a lot,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์นœํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ค‘์— ํ•œ ๋ช…์ธ
07:58
who is one of my best friends.
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๋งˆํฌ ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ์Šค์™€๋Š”
07:59
And I designed three operas with him --
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3๊ฐœ์˜ ์˜คํŽ˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋””์ž์ธ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:03
the most recent one, "King Arthur."
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— "์•„์„œ ์™•"์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
08:06
I've been very ingrained in the dance world
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์ œ๊ฐ€ 10๋Œ€๋•Œ์˜€์„ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
08:08
since I was a teenager.
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์ €๋Š” ์ถค ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๊นŠ์ด ๋น ์ ธ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:09
I went to a performing arts high school,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ณต์—ฐ์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ”์–ด์š”
08:11
where I was an actor,
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์˜€์ฃ 
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐœ๋ ˆ ๋Œ„์„œ์˜€์–ด์š”
08:13
and many of my friends were ballet dancers.
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08:15
Again, I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜๊ฐ์ด ์–ด๋””์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜ค๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ผ์š”.
08:18
I don't know where it comes from.
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์–ด๋””์„œ ์˜ค๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”
08:20
I started making puppets when I was a kid.
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์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ธํ˜• ๊ผญ๋‘๊ฐ์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
08:23
Maybe that's where the whole inspiration thing started from: puppets.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ ์ธํ˜•์ด ์ œ ์˜๊ฐ์ด ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๋Š” ์›์ฒœ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ 
08:26
(Laughter)
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณต์—ฐ์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋„์š”
08:28
And then performing arts high school.
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08:29
There I was in high school, meeting dancers and acting.
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๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋‹ค๋‹ ๋•Œ
๋Œ„์„œ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ์—ฐ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์ฃ 
08:33
And somehow, from there, I got interested in design.
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์™ ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋””์ž์ธ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
08:37
I went to Parsons School of Design,
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ํŒŒ์Šจ์Šค ๋””์ž์ธ ์Šค์ฟจ์— ๊ฐ”๊ณ ,
08:39
and then I began my career as a designer.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋กœ์„œ ์ผ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ฃ 
08:43
I don't really think of myself as a designer,
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์ €๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”
08:45
and I don't really think of myself necessarily as a fashion designer.
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๊ผญ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŒจ์…˜ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ 
08:48
And frankly, I don't really know what to call myself.
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์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ์ €๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”
์ €๋ฅผ ... ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ๋ ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”
08:51
I think of myself as ...
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08:53
I don't know what I think of myself as, so ...
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
08:56
That's just that.
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:57
(Laughter)
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09:00
But I must say, this whole thing about being slightly bored all the time,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
09:03
I think that is a very important thing for a fashion designer.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ํŒจ์…˜ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ์—๊ฒ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”
09:07
You always have to be, like, slightly bored with everything.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•ด์š”
09:10
And if you're not, you have to pretend to be slightly bored with everything.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด, ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•œ ์ฒ™ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ฃ 
(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:14
(Laughter)
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09:15
But I am really a little bored with everything.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•จ์„ ๋Š๊ปด์š”
09:17
I always say to my partner, Marisa Gardini, who books everything --
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ ๋งˆ๋ฆฌ์‚ฌ ๊ฐˆ๋””๋‹ˆ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
09:21
books everything and makes everything happen
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“ ์ผ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์š”
09:23
and makes all the deals.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์„ฑ์‚ฌ์‹œํ‚ค์ฃ 
09:25
And I always tell her that I find myself with a lot of time
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„
์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ 
09:28
on the computer bridge program.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์— ,,
09:31
Too much time on computer bridge, which is, you know, like, that's --
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09:35
So, somehow, like, about 10 years ago,
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์™ ์ง€ 10๋…„์ „ ์ฏค์—
09:38
I thought that the most unboring place in the world
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์ €๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์žฅ์†Œ๋Š”
09:42
would be, like, a TV studio, like for a day show,
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TV ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
ํ•˜๋ฃจ์ข…์ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‡ผ๋‚˜ ํ† ํฌ์‡ผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์ฃ 
09:45
some kind of day talk show,
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09:46
because it's all of these things that I love
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
09:50
kind of in one place.
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ํ•œ ์žฅ์†Œ์—์„œ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”
09:51
And if you ever get bored, you can look at another thing
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง€๋ฃจํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋‚€๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ตฌ์š”, ๊ทธ์ตธ?
09:54
and do another thing and talk about it, right?
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09:57
And so I had this TV show.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด TV ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”์–ด์š”.
09:59
And that was a very, very, very big part of my process.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ๋‚ด ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
10:02
Actually, could you roll the clip, please?
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์ด ์˜์ƒ์ข€ ํ‹€์–ด์ฃผ์‹ค๋ž˜์š”?
10:04
This is one of my favorite clips of Rosie O'Donnell.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋กœ์‹œ์˜ ์˜์ƒ์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:06
(Video) Isaac Mizrahi: We're back on the set. Hi, Ben!
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(๋น„๋””์˜ค) : ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ธํŠธ์žฅ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•ˆ๋…•.
10:09
Rosie O'Donnell: Hello, Ben.
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๋กœ์ง€ ์˜ค๋„๋„: ์•ˆ๋…• ๋ฒค
10:10
IM: Look how cute she looks with just a slick back.
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์•„์ด์ž‘ ๋ฏธ์ฆˆ๋ผ๋‹ˆ: ๊น”๋”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ๋„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ ์กŒ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ด์š”
๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ 'delish!(delicious ์˜ ๊ตฌ์–ด) ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”
10:12
Ben: As my grandmother says, "Delish!"
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๋งž์•„. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„  ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”” ์•‰์•„์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€?
10:14
RO: Delish!
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10:16
IM: Wow, delish.
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10:17
All right. So where should I position myself?
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10:19
I want to stay out of the way. I don't want to be -- OK, here we go.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ผ์–ด๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์„๊ฒŒ.
์ž, ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ž
10:22
RO: Do you get nervous, Ashley?
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์• ์‰ด๋ฆฌ ๊ธด์žฅํ–ˆ์–ด?
10:24
Ashley: Doing what? RO: Cutting hair.
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๋ญํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ?
๋จธ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฅด๋Š”๊ฑฐ
10:26
A: Never. I don't think there was ever a day when I cut hair I was nervous.
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๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์ž๋ฅด๋Š”๊ฑฐ? ์ „ํ˜€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ.
๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์ž๋ฅผ ๋•Œ ๊ธด์žฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‚ ์€ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
10:30
IM: You look so cute already. RO: You like it? All right.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋ฒŒ์จ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ,
์ข‹์•„? ์ข‹์•„.
10:32
IM: Do you have a problem looking cute? RO: Of course I want to look cute.
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๊ท€์—ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์—ฌ์„œ ์‹ซ์€๊ฑฐ์•ผ? ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ ๋ณด์ด๊ธธ ์›ํ•˜์ž–์•„.
๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜์ง€, ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด
10:36
IM: Just checking, because some people want to look, you know, aggressively ugly.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณธ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ
๋ชป์ƒ๊ฒจ ๋ณด์ด๊ธธ ์›ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
์•„๋ƒ. ๋‚œ ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ
๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ž์‹๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ
10:40
RO: No, not me, no.
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10:41
IM: You read about people who have a lot of money and they have kids
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—” ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•œ ์ •์‹ ์  ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋“ค์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์–ด.
10:44
and the kids always end up somehow, really messed up, you know?
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ๋ง ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์ง€?
10:48
And there's got to be some way to do that, Rosie.
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๋กœ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ์–ด.
10:51
Just because you're fabulously rich and fabulously famous,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋ถ€์ž๊ณ , ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:55
does that mean you shouldn't have kids,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฉด ์•ˆ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ง€.
10:57
because you know they're going to end up messed up?
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ž์‹๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—” ์ด์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ž„๊ฑธ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋„ˆ์˜ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๊ฐ€
10:59
RO: No, but it means your priority has to be their well-being first, I think.
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์ž์‹๋“ค์˜ ํ–‰๋ณต์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด.
11:03
But you have to make the decision for yourself.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„Œ ๋„ˆ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•ด.
11:05
My kids are seven, who the hell knows?
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๋‚ด ์ž์‹๋“ค์€ 7๋ช…์ธ๋ฐ, ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„?
11:07
They're going to be like 14 and in rehab.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ 14์‚ด ๋•Œ (์•Œ์ฝœ,๋งˆ์•ฝ)์ค‘๋…์น˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด.
11:09
And they're going to be playing this clip. "I'm such a good mother."
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ง€.
๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข‹์€ ์—„๋งˆ์•ผ
11:14
My God, this is the shortest I've ever had!
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์˜ค, ์ด ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์งง์•„
11:16
IM: It looks good, yeah?
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„?
11:17
A: Has your hair ever been this short? RO: No! But it's all right -- go crazy.
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๋จธ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด
์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ ! ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„. ๋  ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋˜๋ผ์ง€ ๋ญ
11:20
IM: I feel like it needs to be closer down here.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ž˜๋ผ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ,
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ด์•ผ.
11:23
A: It's just a stage. RO: We're just staging it.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ง€.
11:25
IM: Are you freaking out? It's so cute.
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ํ™”๋‚ฌ์–ด? ์ง„์งœ ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ๋ณด์—ฌ.
์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ. ์ข‹์•„. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋‚˜์•ผ
11:27
RO: No, I love it. It's the new me. IM: It's so fabulous!
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์˜ค! ์ •๋ง ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด์•ผ !
ํ•œ ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋กœ์ง€๋–ผ์•ผ , ์šฐ!
11:30
RO: Flock of Rosie. Wooo!
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11:32
(Laughter)
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11:33
IM: By the way, of all the most unboring things in the world, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ, ์ด ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ง€๊ฒน์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ผ ์ค‘์—์„œ
11:38
I mean, like, making someone who's already cute look terrible like that --
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ท€์—ฌ์šด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋”์ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์ด๋„๋ก ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฑฐ ๋ง์ด์—์š”
11:41
(Laughter)
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11:42
That is not boring. That is nothing if it's not boring.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ง€๊ฒน์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ . ์ง€๊ฒน์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ 
11:45
(Laughter)
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11:46
Actually, I read this great quote the other day, which was,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋ฉฐ์น ์ „์— ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ์–ด๊ตฌ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ฝ์—ˆ์–ด์š”
11:50
"Style makes you feel great,
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"์Šคํƒ€์ผ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ข‹๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฃฝ์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋‹ค."
11:52
because it takes your mind off the fact that you're going to die."
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11:55
Right?
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๋งž๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์ฃ . ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
11:57
(Laughter)
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11:58
And then I realized that was on my website,
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12:00
and it said, you know, the quote was attributed to me.
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๊ทธ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ผ์ณค์ฃ .
12:03
And I thought, "Oh, I said something in an interview. I forgot I said that."
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
๋งํ•œ๊ฑธ ๊นŒ๋จน์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”
12:07
But it's really true.
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12:08
I want to show you this last clip because it's going to be my last goodbye.
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋กœ ์ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
12:13
I'll tell you that I cook a lot also.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์š”๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑธ ๋งํ• ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
12:15
I love to cook.
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12:16
And I often look at things as though they're food.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž์ฃผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์Œ์‹์ธ ๊ฒƒ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด์š”
12:19
Like, I say, "Would you serve a rotten chicken?
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ƒํ•œ ์น˜ํ‚จ ์ฃผ์‹ค๋ž˜์š”?
12:21
Then how could you serve a beat-up old dress or something?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ก์•„๋น ์ง„ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๋“œ๋ ˆ์Šค๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ž…๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ 
12:24
How could you show a beat-up old dress?"
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‚ก๊ณ  ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๋“œ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ถ€์—Œ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์‹œ์ผœ์š”.
12:26
I always relate things to kitchen-ry.
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12:29
(Laughter)
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12:30
And so I think that's what it all boils down to.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”
12:33
Everything boils down to that.
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๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ 
12:35
So check this out.
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ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ๋ณด์‹œ์ฃ 
12:36
This is what I've been doing,
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์ด๊ฑด ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•ด์˜จ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
12:37
because I think it's the most fun thing in the world.
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์š”.
12:40
It's, like, this website with a lot of different things on it.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”
์•„์ฃผ ์ •๊ตํ•œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์š”
12:43
It's a polymathematical website.
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12:44
We actually shoot segments, like TV show segments.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค TV ์‡ผ ๋‹จํŽธ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ดฌ์˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
12:47
And it's kind of my favorite thing in the world.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘์— ํ•˜๋‚˜์—์š”
12:50
And it just began, like, in the beginning of February. So who knows?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด 2์›”์ด ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„์š”
12:53
Again, I don't say it's good, I just think it's not boring, right?
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง„ ์•Š๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€? ๋ผ๊ณ ๋งŒ์š”.
12:57
And here's the last bit.
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์˜์ƒ์ด์—์š”
12:58
(Music)
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13:01
IM: I make buttermilk pancakes or buttermilk waffles all the time.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ€ํฌ ํŒฌ์บ์ต ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ ์™€ํ”Œ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”
13:06
Sara Moulton: Do you?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”?
13:07
IM: Yeah, but I can never find buttermilk, ever.
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๋„ค, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์€์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”
์˜ค,
13:10
You can't find it at Citarella, you can't find it.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‹œํƒ€๋ ๋ผ(์Šˆํผ๋งˆ์ผ“ ์ด๋ฆ„)์—์„œ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”
13:12
SM: You can't? IM: It's always low-fat.
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๋ชป ์ฐพ์•„์š”?
ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ €์ง€๋ฐฉ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ๋ฟ์ด์—์š”
13:14
SM: But that's all it is. IM: It is? OK.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์—์š”?
13:16
SM: You don't know? Let me tell you something interesting.
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๋ชฐ๋ž์–ด์š”? ๋ญ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋งํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ์š”
์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ ๋งํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ์š”
13:19
IM: You know what? Stop laughing! It's not funny.
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๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”?๊ทธ๋งŒ ์›ƒ์–ด์š”. ์•ˆ ์›ƒ๊ธด ์–˜๊ธฐ์—์š”.
๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์–ด์š”
13:21
Just because I don't know there's no such thing as whole buttermilk.
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13:24
Sorry. What?
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์ฃ„์†กํ•ด์š” ๋ญ๋ผ๊ตฌ์š”?
13:26
SM: Here's the deal: in the old days, when they used to make butter --
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์Œ, ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ . ๊ณ„์•ฝ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ์š”
์˜›๋‚ ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณค ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
13:29
You know how you make butter?
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๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์„ธ์š”?
13:30
IM: Churn. SM: From cream.
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ํœ˜์ €์–ด์„œ?
ํฌ๋ฆผ์œผ๋กœ?
13:32
IM: Yeah, exactly.
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๋„ค, ๋งž์•„์š”
13:33
SM: So you take heavy, high-fat milk, which is cream,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด๊ฒ๊ณ  ๊ณ ์ง€๋ฐฉ ์šฐ์œ , ์ฆ‰ ํฌ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ 
13:36
and you churn it until it separates into these curds and water.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌผ๊ณผ ์‘์œ (์šฐ์œ ๊ฐ€ ์‘๊ณ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ)๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ํœ˜์ €์–ด์š”
13:40
The liquid is actually -- if you've ever overbeaten your whipped cream,
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๊ทธ ์•ก์ฒด๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊นจ๋—ํ•œ ์•ก์ฒด์ฃ 
๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ ํฌ๋ฆผ์„ ๊นจ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณธ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
13:44
it's actually buttermilk.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ์—์š”
13:46
That's what it was in the early days.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์˜›๋‚ ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ์˜€์ฃ 
13:48
And that's what people used for baking and all sorts of things.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋นต์„ ๊ตฝ๋Š” ์ผ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฒƒ์„ ํ• ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
13:51
Now the buttermilk that you get is actually low-fat or skim milk.
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์ด์ œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €์ง€๋ฐฉ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํƒˆ์ง€์šฐ์œ ์—์š”
13:54
IM: Excuse me, I didn't know. Alright?
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์ฃ„์†กํ•ด์š”, ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์ฃ ?
13:56
SM: The reason he thought that
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฒ„ํ„ฐ๋ฐ€ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋”ฑ๋”ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ง›์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”
13:58
is because buttermilk is so wonderfully thick and delicious.
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14:01
IM: Yeah, it is. Exactly.
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๋งž์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ 
14:02
SM: So who would think that it was low-fat?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ €์ง€๋ฐฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
14:04
IM: Well, that's it. Thank you very much.
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์ด์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:07
Happy TED. It's so wonderful here. I love it. I love it. I love it.
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด TED์˜€๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ผ์š”. ์—ฌ๊ธด ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
14:10
Thanks. Bye.
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๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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