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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Hansol Ryu ๊ฒ€ํ† : Ju Hye Lim
00:12
A year ago, we were invited by the Swiss Embassy in Berlin
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์ผ ๋…„ ์ „, ๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ์˜ ์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:16
to present our art projects.
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์ €ํฌ์˜ ์˜ˆ์ˆ  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ „์‹œํ•ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
00:18
We are used to invitations, but this invitation really thrilled us.
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์ข…์ข… ์ดˆ์ฒญ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณค ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์‹ ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:23
The Swiss Embassy in Berlin is special.
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๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€์€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:26
It is the only old building in the government district
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์ •๋ถ€ ์ง€๊ตฌ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด๋ฌผ ์ค‘ ์œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ
00:29
that was not destroyed during the Second World War,
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์ œ2์ฐจ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๋Œ€์ „์—์„œ ํŒŒ๊ดด๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์˜› ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์ด๊ณ 
00:32
and it sits right next to the Federal Chancellery.
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์ด๋ฆฌ ๊ด€์ € ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์˜†์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:35
No one is closer to Chancellor Merkel than the Swiss diplomats.
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์Šค์œ„์Šค ์™ธ๊ต๊ด€๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ฉ”๋ฅด์ผˆ ์ด๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์—†์ฃ .
00:39
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
00:42
The government district in Berlin also contains the Reichstag --
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๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ ์ •๋ถ€ ์ง€๊ตฌ์—๋Š” ๋ผ์ดํžˆ์Šคํƒ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋…์ผ ์˜ํšŒ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
00:46
Germany's parliament -- and the Brandenburg Gate,
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๋ธŒ๋ž€๋ด๋ถ€๋ฅดํฌ ๋ฌธ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
00:49
and right next to the gate there are other embassies,
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๋ฌธ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์˜†์—๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
in particular the US and the British Embassy.
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:56
Although Germany is an advanced democracy,
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๋…์ผ์ด ์„ ์ง„ํ™” ๋œ ๋ฏผ์ฃผ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
00:59
citizens are limited in their constitutional rights
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์ •๋ถ€ ์ง€๊ตฌ์—์„œ๋Š” ์‹œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์€
01:02
in its government district.
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ํ—Œ๋ฒ•์ƒ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์— ์ œํ•œ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
The right of assembly and the right to demonstrate are restricted there.
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์ง‘ํšŒ์™€ ์‹œ์œ„์˜ ์ž์œ ๊ฐ€ ์ œํ•œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:09
And this is interesting from an artistic point of view.
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์ด๊ฑด ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์  ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:13
The opportunities to exercise participation and to express oneself
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์šด๋™์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š”
01:18
are always bound to a certain order
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ํŠน์ • ๊ธˆ์ง€๋ น์— ์ œํ•œ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ ,
01:20
and always subject to a specific regulation.
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ํŠน์ • ๊ทœ์ •์— ์ œ์žฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
With an awareness of the dependencies of these regulations,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ทœ์ •์— ์†ํ•ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ธ์‹ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ
01:28
we can gain a new perspective.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ด€์ ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:31
The given terms and conditions shape our perception, our actions
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ์–ด์ง„ ์กฐ๊ฑด๊ณผ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ธ์‹๊ณผ ํ–‰๋™,
01:35
and our lives.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ถ์„ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:38
And this is crucial in another context.
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์ด๊ฑด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ชน์‹œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
Over the last couple of years,
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์ง€๋‚œ 2๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €ํฌ๋Š”,
01:42
we learned that from the roofs of the US and the British Embassy,
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์ฒฉ๋ณด๊ธฐ๊ด€์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์ง€๋ถ•์—์„œ
01:47
the secret services have been listening to the entire district,
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๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋„์ฒญํ•ด์™”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:52
including the mobile phone of Angela Merkel.
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์•™๊ฒ”๋ผ ๋ฉ”๋ฅด์ผˆ์˜ ํœด๋Œ€ํฐ๊นŒ์ง€๋„์š”.
01:55
The antennas of the British GCHQ are hidden in a white cylindrical radome,
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์˜๊ตญ ๋ณด์•ˆ๊ตญ(GCHQ)์˜ ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜๋Š” ํฐ ์›ํ†ตํ˜• ๋ฎ๊ฐœ ์†์— ์ˆจ๊ฒจ์ ธ์žˆ๊ณ 
02:00
while the listening post of the American NSA
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์•ˆ๋ณด๊ตญ(NSA)์˜ ์ •๋ณด ์ˆ˜์ง‘ ์žฅ์น˜๋Š”
02:03
is covered by radio transparent screens.
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๋ฐฉ์‚ฌ์„ ์ด ํ†ต๊ณผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฎ์—ฌ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:07
But how to address these hidden and disguised forces?
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ˆจ์–ด์„œ ์œ„์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ์—” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€์‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
02:10
With my colleague, Christoph Wachter,
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๋™๋ฃŒ์ธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ† ํ”„ ์™€ํ„ฐ์™€ ์ €๋Š”
02:13
we accepted the invitation of the Swiss Embassy.
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์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€์˜ ์ดˆ์ฒญ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:16
And we used this opportunity to exploit the specific situation.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋กœ ์จ๋จน๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:22
If people are spying on us, it stands to reason
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๋งŒ์ผ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋„์ฒญํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
02:25
that they have to listen to what we are saying.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
02:28
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:32
On the roof of the Swiss Embassy, we installed a series of antennas.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์ง€๋ถ•์— ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐœ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
They weren't as sophisticated as those used by the Americans and the British.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒํผ ์„ฑ๋Šฅ์ด ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:43
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:44
They were makeshift can antennas,
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๊ธ‰์กฐํ•œ ๊ณ ์ฒ  ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜์˜€๊ณ 
02:46
not camouflaged but totally obvious and visible.
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์œ„์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•„ ํ™•์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ˆˆ์— ๋„์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:50
The Academy of Arts joined the project,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๋Œ€ํ•™๋„ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด์„œ
02:52
and so we built another large antenna on their rooftop,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์ง€๋ถ•์—๋„ ์ปค๋‹ค๋ž€ ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
exactly between the listening posts of the NSA and the GCHQ.
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ NSA์™€ GCHQ์˜ ์žฅ๋น„ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์š”.
03:00
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
03:02
Never have we been observed in such detail while building an art installation.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์„ ์„ค์น˜ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์—ฌํƒœ๊ป ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์„ธ์„ธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ด€์ฐฐ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:07
A helicopter circled over our heads
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ํ—ฌ๋ฆฌ์ฝฅํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์œ„๋กœ ๋‚ ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉด์„œ
03:09
with a camera registering each and every move we made,
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์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ๋กœ ์ผ๊ฑฐ์ˆ˜์ผํˆฌ์กฑ์„ ์ฐ์—ˆ๊ณ 
03:12
and on the roof of the US Embassy, security officers patrolled.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์ง€๋ถ•์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ๋น„์›์ด ์ˆœ์ฐฐ์„ ๋Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:17
Although the government district is governed by a strict police order,
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์ •๋ถ€ ์ง€๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์—„๊ฒฉํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ ๊ทœ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€๋งŒ
03:22
there are no specific laws relating to digital communication.
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๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ํ†ต์‹ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋ฒ•๊ทœ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:27
Our installation was therefore perfectly legal,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜ ์„ค์น˜๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ํ•ฉ๋ฒ•์ ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
03:31
and the Swiss Ambassador informed Chancellor Merkel about it.
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์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€์€ ๋ฉ”๋ฅด์ผˆ ์ด๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ํ†ต์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ "์ œ ๋ง ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์„ธ์š”?" ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:35
We named the project "Can You Hear Me?"
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03:38
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
03:40
The antennas created an open and free Wi-Fi communication network
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์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“ ์ง€
03:45
in which anyone who wanted to would be able to participate
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฌด์„ ๊ณต์œ ๊ธฐ๋“ ์ง€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์„œ ์ œ์•ฝ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
03:48
using any Wi-Fi-enabled device without any hindrance,
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๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ ์ฃผํŒŒ์ˆ˜ ๋Œ€์—ญ์„ ๊ฐ€๋กœ์ฑ„์„œ ๋„์ฒญํ•˜๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
03:51
and be able to send messages
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๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
03:53
to those listening on the frequencies that were being intercepted.
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์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜๋กœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ๋œ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ์™€์ดํŒŒ์ด ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
Text messages, voice chat, file sharing --
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๋ฌธ์ž ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€, ์Œ์„ฑ ์ฑ„ํŒ…, ํŒŒ์ผ ๊ณต์œ  ๋“ฑ
04:01
anything could be sent anonymously.
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๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ์ต๋ช…์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
And people did communicate.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ†ต์‹ ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:07
Over 15,000 messages were sent.
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15,000 ๊ฑด ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ „์†ก๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
Here are some examples.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹œ์ฃ .
04:13
"Hello world, hello Berlin, hello NSA, hello GCHQ."
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"์„ธ์ƒ์•„ ์•ˆ๋…•, ๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ ์•ˆ๋…•, NSA ์•ˆ๋…•, GCHQ ์•ˆ๋…•."
04:19
"NSA Agents, Do the Right Thing! Blow the whistle!"
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"NSA ์š”์›๋“ค, ์˜ณ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”! ์–‘์‹ฌ์„ ์–ธ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”!"
04:24
"This is the NSA. In God we trust. All others we track!!!!!"
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” NSA. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋Š๋‹˜์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š”๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ถ”์ ํ•˜์ง€!!!!!"
04:28
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
"#์–ด๋‚˜๋‹ˆ๋จธ์Šค๊ฐ€ #NSA #GCHQ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๋„ˆํฌ ์กฐ์ง์›์ด๋‹ค.
04:32
"#@nonymous is watching #NSA #GCHQ - we are part of your organizations.
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#๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ค๋ผ. ๊ณง #๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค."
04:36
# expect us. We will #shutdown"
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04:39
"This is the NSA's Achilles heel. Open Networks."
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"์ด๊ฒŒ NSA์˜ ์•„ํ‚ฌ๋ ˆ์Šค ๊ฑด์ด๋‹ค. ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ๋œ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๊ฐ€."
04:42
"Agents, what twisted story of yourself will you tell your grandchildren?"
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"์š”์›๋“ค, ์†์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ๊ฑฐ์ง“๋ง์„ ํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"
04:48
"@NSA My neighbors are noisy. Please send a drone strike."
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"@NSA ์˜†์ง‘์ด ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์š”. ๋“œ๋ก  ๋ณด๋‚ด์„œ ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”."
04:52
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:56
"Make Love, Not cyberwar."
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"์‚ฌ๋ž‘์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฒ„ ์ „์Ÿ ๋ง๊ณ ."
04:59
We invited the embassies and the government departments
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€๊ณผ ์ •๋ถ€ ๋ถ€์„œ์—๋„ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ถŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
to participate in the open network, too,
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and to our surprise, they did.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:07
Files appeared on the network, including classified documents
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ํŒŒ์ผ๋“ค์ด ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ธฐ๋ฐ€ ์„œ๋ฅ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ตญํšŒ ์กฐ์‚ฌ ์œ„์›ํšŒ์—์„œ ์œ ์ถœํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ
05:10
leaked from the parliamentary investigation commission,
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05:12
which highlights that the free exchange and discussion of vital information
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๊ตํ™˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ† ๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด
05:16
is starting to become difficult, even for members of a parliament.
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๊ตญํšŒ์˜์›์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์š”์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
We also organized guided tours to experience and sound out
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๋˜ํ•œ ํ˜„์žฅ์˜ ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ ์ง‘๋‹จ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐœ์–ธ๋„ ํ•ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
๊ฐ€์ด๋“œ ํˆฌ์–ด๋„ ๊ณ„ํšํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:25
the power constellations on-site.
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05:27
The tours visited the restricted zones around the embassies,
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ํˆฌ์–ด์—์„œ๋Š” ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์˜ ์ œํ•œ ๊ตฌ์—ญ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ณ 
05:30
and we discussed the potential and the highlights of communication.
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์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์ž ์žฌ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์žฅ์ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋…ผ์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
If we become aware of the constellation,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ ์ง‘๋‹จ๊ณผ
์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์กฐ๊ฑด์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด๋ฉด
05:40
the terms and conditions of communication,
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05:43
it not only broadens our horizon,
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์‹œ์•ผ๊ฐ€ ๋„“์–ด์งˆ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
05:45
it allows us to look behind the regulations that limit our worldview,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€๊ณผ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์ , ์ •์น˜์ , ๋ฏธํ•™์  ๊ด€์ ์„
05:49
our specific social, political or aesthetic conventions.
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์ œํ•œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทœ์ œ ๋„ˆ๋จธ๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:54
Let's look at an actual example.
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์‹ค์ œ ์˜ˆ์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:57
The fate of people living in the makeshift settlements
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ํŒŒ๋ฆฌ ๋ณ€๋‘๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž„์‹œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ์ง€์— ์‚ฌ๋Š”
06:00
on the outskirts of Paris
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์€
06:02
is hidden and faded from view.
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์‹œ์•ผ์—์„œ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์ˆจ๊ฒจ์ ธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:05
It's a vicious circle.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•…์ˆœํ™˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
It's not poverty, not racism, not exclusion that are new.
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๊ฐ€๋‚œ๋„, ์ธ์ข… ์ฐจ๋ณ„๋„, ๋ฐฐ์ฒ™๋„ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:10
What is new is how these realities are hidden
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์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์†Œํ†ต๊ณผ ๊ตํ™˜์˜ ์‹œ๋Œ€์—
06:14
and how people are made invisible
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ํ˜„์‹ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์ถฐ์ง€๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€๊ฐ€
06:15
in an age of global and overwhelming communication and exchange.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šธ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:20
Such makeshift settlements are considered illegal,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ž„์‹œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ์ง€๋Š” ๋ถˆ๋ฒ•์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
06:23
and therefore those living in them don't have a chance
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ํ• 
06:26
of making their voices heard.
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๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:28
On the contrary, every time they appear, every time they risk becoming visible,
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๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋กœ, ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ผ ๋•Œ ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋Š˜ ์ ๋ฐœ๋  ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
06:34
merely gives grounds for further persecution,
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๋”ํ•œ ๋ฐ•ํ•ด์™€ ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๊ณผ ์ง„์••์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ตฌ์‹ค๋งŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:36
expulsion and suppression.
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06:38
What interested us was how we could come to know this hidden side.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์ถ”์–ด์ง„ ๋ฉด์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:44
We were searching for an interface and we found one.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ ‘์ ์„ ํƒ์ƒ‰ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์ฐพ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:47
It's not a digital interface, but a physical one: it's a hotel.
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๋””์ง€ํ„ธ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์  ์ง€์ ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ . ํ˜ธํ…”์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
We named the project "Hotel Gelem."
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ "์ ค๋ ˜ ํ˜ธํ…”"์ด๋ผ ์ด๋ฆ„ ๋ถ™์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:54
Together with Roma families, we created several Hotel Gelems in Europe,
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์ง‘์‹œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์—์„œ ์ ค๋ ˜ ํ˜ธํ…”์„ ๋ช‡ ๊ตฐ๋ฐ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:58
for example, in Freiburg in Germany, in Montreuil near Paris,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋…์ผ ํ”„๋ผ์ด๋ถ€๋ฅดํฌ๋‚˜ ํŒŒ๋ฆฌ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜ ๋ชฝํŠธ๋ขฐ์œ ,
07:01
and also in the Balkans.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐœ์นธ ์ง€์—ญ์—๋„์š”.
07:03
These are real hotels.
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์ง„์งœ ํ˜ธํ…”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:04
People can stay there.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ˆ™๋ฐ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
07:06
But they aren't a commercial enterprise.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜๋ฆฌ ๋ชฉ์ ์˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:08
They are a symbol.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒ์ง•์ด์ฃ .
07:10
You can go online and ask for a personal invitation
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ, ์ง‘์‹œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์˜ ์ง‘์ธ
07:14
to come and live for a few days in the Hotel Gelem, in their homes,
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์ ค๋ ˜ ํ˜ธํ…”์— ์™€์„œ ๋ฉฐ์น  ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋จน๊ณ  ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒํ™œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š”
07:18
eating, working and living with the Roma families.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ดˆ์ฒญ์„ ์š”์ฒญํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:22
Here, the Roma families are not the travelers;
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์ด ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ง‘์‹œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์—ฌํ–‰์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:25
the visitors are.
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๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ๊ฐ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌํ–‰์ž์ฃ .
07:27
Here, the Roma families are not a minority;
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์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ง‘์‹œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์†Œ์ˆ˜์ง‘๋‹จ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
the visitors are.
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๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ๊ฐ๋“ค์ด ์†Œ์ˆ˜์ง‘๋‹จ์ด์ฃ .
07:33
The point is not to make judgments,
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์š”์ ์€ ํŒ๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ ,
07:37
but rather to find out about the context that determines
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๊ทน๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ์ˆœ์ ์„
07:40
these disparate and seemingly insurmountable contradictions.
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๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ธ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด๋ ค ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
In the world of globalization,
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์„ธ๊ณ„ํ™”๋œ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ
07:46
the continents are drifting closer to each other.
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๋Œ€๋ฅ™๋“ค์€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋” ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์›Œ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:49
Cultures, goods and people are in permanent exchange,
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๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ์ƒํ’ˆ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜๊ตฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตํ™˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
but at the same time, the gap between the world of the privileged
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์—, ํŠน๊ถŒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ
07:55
and the world of the excluded is growing.
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๋ฐฐ์ œ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์„ธ์ƒ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ฐ„๊ทน์€ ์ปค์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:59
We were recently in Australia.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
For us, it was no problem to enter the country.
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์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ž…๊ตญ์— ์•„๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:03
We have European passports, visas and air tickets.
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์œ ๋Ÿฝ ์—ฌ๊ถŒ๊ณผ ๋น„์ž, ํ•ญ๊ณต๊ถŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ๋ณดํŠธ๋กœ ๋„์ฐฉํ•œ ๋ง๋ช… ํฌ๋ง์ž๋“ค์€
08:07
But asylum seekers who arrive by boat in Australia
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are deported or taken to prison.
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์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํˆฌ์˜ฅ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:13
The interception of the boats
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๋ณดํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ๋ง‰์€ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
08:14
and the disappearance of the people into the detention system
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด ๊ฐ์ถ˜ ์ผ์€
08:17
are veiled by the Australian authorities.
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ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋‹น๊ตญ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋ฌปํ˜”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:21
These procedures are declared to be secret military operations.
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์ด ๊ณผ์ •์€ ๋น„๋ฐ€ ๊ตฐ์‚ฌ ์ž‘์ „์œผ๋กœ ์„ ํฌ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:25
After dramatic escapes from crisis zones and war zones,
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์œ„ํ—˜ ์ง€์—ญ๊ณผ ์ „์Ÿ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋น ์ ธ๋‚˜์˜จ
08:28
men, women and children are detained by Australia without trial,
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๋‚จ์ž๋“ค, ์—ฌ์ž๋“ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์žฌํŒ ์—†์ด ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ๊ตฌ๊ธˆ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:33
sometimes for years.
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๊ฐ„์ด์š”.
08:37
During our stay, however,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋จธ๋ฌด๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
08:39
we managed to reach out and work with asylum seekers who were imprisoned,
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์ฐจ๋‹จ๊ณผ ๊ฒฉ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ, ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ง๋ช… ํฌ๋ง์ž๋“ค๊ณผ
์ ‘์ด‰ํ•˜์—ฌ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์—…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
despite strict screening and isolation.
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08:46
From these contexts was born an installation in the art space
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋ฒˆ์˜ ํ€ธ์ฆ๋žœ๋“œ ๊ณต๊ณผ๋Œ€ํ•™์—
08:50
of the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:54
On the face of it, it was a very simple installation.
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๊ฒ‰๋ณด๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:58
On the floor, a stylized compass gave the direction
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๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์—๋Š” ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š”
๋ฐฉํ–ฅ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„
09:01
to each immigration detention center,
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09:03
accompanied by the distance and the name of the immigration facility.
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๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ด๋„๋ก ๋””์ž์ธ๋œ ๋‚˜์นจ๋ฐ˜์„ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:08
But the exhibition step came in the form of connectivity.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „์‹œ์˜ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์˜ ํ˜•ํƒœ๋กœ ์ „๋‹ฌ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:12
Above every floor marking, there was a headset.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ ํ‘œ์‹œ์—๋Š” ํ—ค๋“œ์…‹์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:16
Visitors were offered the opportunity to talk directly to a refugee
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๊ด€๋žŒ๊ฐ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋œ ์  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚œ๋ฏผ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง์ ‘ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉฐ
09:20
who was or had been imprisoned
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
09:23
in a specific detention facility
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09:25
and engage in a personal conversation.
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๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:28
In the protected context of the art exhibition,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ์ „์‹œ์˜ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ์กฐ๊ฑด ์•ˆ์—์„œ ๋ง๋ช… ํฌ๋ง์ž๋“ค์€
09:31
asylum seekers felt free to talk about themselves,
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๋’ท์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€ ์—†์ด ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์ด๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์‚ฌ์—ฐ,
09:34
their story and their situation, without fear of consequences.
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๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:38
Visitors immersed themselves in long conversations
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๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ๊ฐ๋“ค์€ ํฉ์–ด์ง„ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด๋‚˜ ์ „์Ÿ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ์˜ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ํƒˆ์ถœ,
09:41
about families torn apart, about dramatic escapes from war zones,
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์ž์‚ด ์‹œ๋„, ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋œ ์•„์ด์˜ ์šด๋ช…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
09:45
about suicide attempts,
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๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ธด ๋Œ€ํ™”์—
09:47
about the fate of children in detention.
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ํ‘น ๋น ์ ธ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:50
Emotions ran deep. Many wept.
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๊ฐ์ •์ด ๊นŠ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:52
Several revisited the exhibition.
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๋ช‡๋ช‡์€ ์ „์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฐพ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:55
It was a powerful experience.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:58
Europe is now facing a stream of migrants.
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์œ ๋Ÿฝ์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งž๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:03
The situation for the asylum seekers is made worse by contradictory policies
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๋ง๋ช… ํฌ๋ง์ž๋“ค์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ๋ชจ์ˆœ์ ์ธ ์ •์ฑ…๊ณผ
10:07
and the temptation of militarized responses.
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๊ตฐ์‚ฌ์  ๋Œ€์‘์˜ ์œ ํ˜น์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๊ฐˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‚˜๋น ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ง„ ์Šค์œ„์Šค์™€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์Šค์˜
10:11
We have also established communication systems
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10:14
in remote refugee centers in Switzerland and Greece.
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๋‚œ๋ฏผ ์„ผํ„ฐ์— ํ†ต์‹  ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:17
They are all about providing basic information -- weather forecasts,
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๋ฃŒ ๋น„์šฉ,
10:20
legal information, guidance.
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๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ์ •๋ณด, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์•ˆ๋‚ด ๋“ฑ์ด์ฃ .
10:23
But they are significant.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:25
Information on the Internet
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์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๋ฅผ
10:26
that could ensure survival along dangerous routes
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๋ฌด์‚ฌํžˆ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ์ •๋ณด๋Š”
10:29
is being censored,
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๊ฒ€์—ด๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
10:30
and the provision of such information is becoming increasingly criminalized.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์€ ์ ์  ๋ถˆ๋ฒ•์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:36
This brings us back to our network and to the antennas
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ์˜ ์Šค์œ„์Šค ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์ง€๋ถ•์˜ ์•ˆํ…Œ๋‚˜์™€
๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ์™€ "์ œ ๋ง ๋“ค๋ ค์š”?" ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋กœ
10:39
on the roof of the Swiss Embassy in Berlin
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10:41
and the "Can You Hear Me?" project.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:44
We should not take it for granted to be boundlessly connected.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ œํ•œ ์—†์ด ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๊ฒจ์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
We should start making our own connections,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
10:50
fighting for this idea of an equal and globally interconnected world.
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ํ‰๋“ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ ์„ธ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€๋…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‹ธ์›Œ์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:54
This is essential to overcome our speechlessness
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์นจ๋ฌต๊ณผ, ๋Œ€๋ฆฝ์  ์ •์น˜ ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ธ ๋‹จ์ ˆ์„
10:57
and the separation provoked by rival political forces.
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๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ์— ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
It is only in truly exposing ourselves
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๋Š” ํž˜์—
11:04
to the transformative power of this experience
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ๋งก๊ธธ ๋•Œ์—์•ผ,
11:06
that we can overcome prejudice and exclusion.
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ํŽธ๊ฒฌ๊ณผ ์†Œ์™ธ๋ฅผ ๋„˜์–ด์„ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:10
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:11
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
11:16
Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Mathias.
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๋ธŒ๋ฃจ๋…ธ: ๋งˆํ‹ฐ์•„์Šค ์”จ, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์™€ ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:18
The other half of your artistic duo is also here.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ† ํ”„ ์™€ํ„ฐ ์”จ, ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ์œ„๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™€์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
11:20
Christoph Wachter, come onstage.
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11:22
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
11:27
First, tell me just a detail:
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๋จผ์ € ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
11:29
the name of the hotel is not a random name.
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ํ˜ธํ…” ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์•„๋ฌด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๋ถ™์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€์š”.
11:31
Gelem means something specific in the Roma language.
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์ ค๋ ˜์€ ์ง‘์‹œ ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค์ฃ .
11:34
Mathias Jud: Yes, "Gelem, Gelem" is the title of the Romani hymn,
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๋งˆํ‹ฐ์•„์Šค: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์ ค๋ ˜ ์ ค๋ ˜"์€ ์ง‘์‹œ ์ฐฌ์†ก๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋ชฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:39
the official, and it means "I went a long way."
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๊ณต์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋œป์€ "๋‚˜๋Š” ๋จผ ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:42
BG: That's just to add the detail to your talk.
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๋ธŒ๋ฃจ๋…ธ: ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์— ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ณดํƒœ๊ณ ์ž ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๋“œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:45
But you two traveled to the island of Lesbos
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๊ทผ๋ฐ ๋‘ ๋ถ„์€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ณด์Šค ์„ฌ์œผ๋กœ
11:47
very recently, you're just back a couple of days ago,
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์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ดํ‹€ ์ „์— ๋Œ์•„์˜ค์…จ์ฃ .
11:50
in Greece, where thousands of refugees are arriving
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์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์‚ฌ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์Šค์— ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ๋‚œ๋ฏผ์ด
11:53
and have been arriving over the last few months.
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋„์ฐฉํ•ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋˜ ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ์˜ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
11:55
What did you see there and what did you do there?
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ณด์…จ๊ณ , ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
11:57
Christoph Wachter: Well, Lesbos is one of the Greek islands close to Turkey,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ† ํ”„: ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ณด์Šค๋Š” ํ„ฐํ‚ค ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์„ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:01
and during our stay,
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์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋จธ๋ฌด๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ,
12:03
many asylum seekers arrived by boat on overcrowded dinghies,
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๋งŽ์€ ํ”ผ๋‚œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์ด ์ •์›์„ ์ดˆ๊ณผํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ  ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:08
and after landing, they were left completely on their own.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์—์„œ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ํ›„, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐฉ์น˜๋˜๊ณ 
12:12
They are denied many services.
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๋งŽ์€ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
For example, they are not allowed to buy a bus ticket
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฒ„์Šค ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์„ ์‚ฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
12:18
or to rent a hotel room,
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ํ˜ธํ…” ๋ฐฉ์„ ๋นŒ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:19
so many families literally sleep in the streets.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์ด ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ธธ์—์„œ ์ž ์„ ์žก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:24
And we installed networks there to allow basic communication,
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๊ทธ ๊ณณ์— ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ์„ค์น˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:29
because I think, I believe,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š”
12:31
it's not only that we have to speak about the refugees,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
12:36
I think we need to start talking to them.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋ง์„ ๊ฑธ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:40
And by doing so, we can realize that it is about human beings,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
์ƒ์กด์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํˆฌ์Ÿ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž„์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
about their lives and their struggle to survive.
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12:47
BG: And allow them to talk as well.
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๋ธŒ๋ฃจ๋…ธ: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์–ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ์š”.
12:49
Christoph, thank you for coming to TED.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ† ํ”„, TED์— ์™€ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:50
Mathias, thank you for coming to TED and sharing your story.
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๋งˆํ‹ฐ์•„์Šค, TED์— ์˜ค์…”์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
12:54
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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