Paula Scher: Great design is serious (not solemn)

204,879 views ใƒป 2009-01-17

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Efrat Danon ืžื‘ืงืจ: Ido Dekkers
00:16
My work is play.
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ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื™ ื”ื™ื ืžืฉื—ืง
00:18
And I play when I design.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืฉื—ืงืช ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืขืฆื‘ืช
00:20
I even looked it up in the dictionary, to make sure
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ื“ืงืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืžื™ืœื•ืŸ, ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื˜ื•ื—ื”
00:22
that I actually do that,
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ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”
00:24
and the definition of play,
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ื•ื”ื”ื’ื“ืจื” ืฉืœ ืžืฉื—ืง
00:26
number one, was engaging in a childlike
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ืžืกืคืจ ืื—ื“ - ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืขื•ืจื‘ ื‘ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช
00:28
activity or endeavor,
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ืื• ืžืืžืฅ ื™ืœื“ื•ืชื™ื™ื
00:30
and number two was gambling.
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ื•ื”ื”ื’ื“ืจื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” - ื”ื™ืžื•ืจื™ื
00:33
And I realize I do both
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ื•ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ืฉืชื™ื”ืŸ
00:35
when I'm designing.
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืขืฆื‘ืช
00:37
I'm both a kid and I'm gambling all the time.
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ืื ื™ ื’ื ื™ืœื“ื” ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ืžื”ืžืจืช ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ
00:40
And I think that if you're not,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืื ืืชื ืœื
00:42
there's probably something inherently wrong
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ื™ืฉ ื›ื ืจืื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื•ื˜ืขื” ืžื™ืกื•ื“ื•
00:44
with the structure or the situation you're in,
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ืขื ื”ืžื‘ื ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื” ืฉืืชื ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื‘ื”
00:46
if you're a designer.
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ืื ืืชื ืžืขืฆื‘ื™ื
00:48
But the serious part is what threw me,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื—ืœืง ื”ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ื”ื•ื ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ืžื ืื•ืชื™
00:50
and I couldn't quite get a handle
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ื•ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื–ื”
00:54
on it until I remembered an essay.
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ืขื“ ืฉื ื–ื›ืจืชื™ ื‘ืžืืžืจ
00:57
And it's an essay I read 30 years ago.
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ื•ื–ื” ืžืืžืจ ืฉืงืจืืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื”
01:00
It was written by Russell Baker,
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ื”ื•ื ื ื›ืชื‘ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืจืืกืœ ื‘ื™ื™ืงืจ
01:02
who used to write an "Observer" column in the New York Times.
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ืฉื ื”ื’ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ื˜ื•ืจ ื‘ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ื˜ื™ื™ืžืก
01:05
He's a wonderful humorist. And I'm going to read you
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ื”ื•ื ื›ื•ืชื‘ ืžืฉืขืฉืข ืžืื•ื“. ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ืžื“ืช ืœื”ืงืจื™ื ืœื›ื
01:07
this essay,
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ืืช ื”ืžืืžืจ ื”ื–ื”
01:09
or an excerpt from it
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ืื• ืงื˜ืข ืžืชื•ื›ื•
01:11
because it really hit home for me.
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ืžืื—ืจ ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื ื’ืข ื‘ื™
01:14
Here is a letter of friendly advice.
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ื”ื ื” ืžื›ืชื‘ ืฉืœ ืขืฆื” ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืชื™ืช
01:17
Be serious, it says.
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ื”ื™ื” ืจืฆื™ื ื™, ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ
01:19
What it means, of course, is, be solemn.
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ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
01:22
Being solemn is easy.
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ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ ื–ื” ืงืœ
01:24
Being serious is hard.
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ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ื–ื” ืงืฉื”
01:27
Children almost always begin by being serious,
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ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ื‘ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื
01:29
which is what makes them so entertaining
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ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืฉื” ืื•ืชื ืœื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื‘ื“ืจื™ื
01:31
when compared with adults as a class.
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ื›ืฉืžืฉื•ื•ื™ื ืื•ืชื ืœืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ื›ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”
01:34
Adults, on the whole, are solemn.
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ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื, ื›ื›ืœืœ, ื”ื ื›ื‘ื“ื™ ืจืืฉ
01:36
In politics, the rare candidate who is serious,
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ื‘ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ืงื”, ื”ืžื•ืขืžื“ื™ื ื”ื ื“ื™ืจื™ื ื”ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื
01:39
like Adlai Stevenson,
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ื›ืžื• ืื“ืœื™ื™ ืกื˜ื™ื‘ื ืกื•ืŸ
01:41
is easily overwhelmed by one who is solemn, like Eisenhower.
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ืžื ื•ืฆื—ื™ื ื‘ืงืœื•ืช ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ, ื›ืžื• ืื™ื™ื–ื ื”ืื•ืจ
01:44
That's because it is hard for most people
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ื”ืกื™ื‘ื” ื”ื™ื ืฉืœืจื•ื‘ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืงืฉื”
01:46
to recognize seriousness, which is rare,
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ืœื–ื”ื•ืช ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื ื“ื™ืจื”
01:49
but more comfortable to endorse solemnity,
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ืื‘ืœ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ื ื•ื— ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืืžืฅ ื›ื•ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
01:51
which is commonplace.
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™
01:54
Jogging, which is commonplace,
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ืจื™ืฆื”, ืฉื”ื™ื ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™ืช
01:56
and widely accepted as good for you, is solemn.
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ื•ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื›ืœืœื™ ืžื•ืกื›ืžืช ื›ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš, ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
01:59
Poker is serious.
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ืคื•ืงืจ ื”ื•ื ืจืฆื™ื ื™
02:01
Washington, D.C. is solemn.
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ื•ื•ืฉื™ื ื’ื˜ื•ืŸ ื“ื™.ืกื™ ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
02:04
New York is serious.
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ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ื”ื™ื ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช
02:06
Going to educational conferences to tell you anything
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ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืœื›ื ืกื™ื ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื™ืืžืจื• ืœื›ื
02:08
about the future is solemn.
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ืžืฉื”ื• ืขืœ ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ื–ื•ื”ื™ ื›ื‘ื“ื•ืช ืจืืฉ
02:11
Taking a long walk by yourself,
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ืœืฆืืช ืœื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืืจื•ื›ื” ืœื‘ื“
02:13
during which you devise a foolproof scheme for robbing Tiffany's,
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ืฉื‘ืžื”ืœื›ื” ืืชื ืžืชื›ื ื ื™ื ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืžื•ืฉืœืžืช ืœืฉื“ื•ื“ ืืช ื˜ื™ืคื ื™ืก
02:16
is serious.
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ื”ื™ื ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช
02:18
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:19
Now, when I apply Russell Baker's definition
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžื™ื™ืฉืžืช ืืช ื”ื”ื’ื“ืจื” ืฉืœ ืจืืกืœ ื‘ื™ื™ืงืจ
02:21
of solemnity or seriousness to design,
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ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืœื›ื‘ื“ื•ืช ืจืืฉ ืื• ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช ืขืœ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘
02:23
it doesn't necessarily make any particular point about quality.
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ื–ื” ืœื ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืœืื™ื›ื•ืช
02:26
Solemn design is often important and very effective design.
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ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคืขืžื™ื ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืžื•ืขื™ืœ
02:29
Solemn design is also socially correct,
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ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ ื”ื•ื ื’ื ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช
02:32
and is accepted by appropriate audiences.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืžืชืงื‘ืœ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื”ืงื”ืœ ื”ื ื›ื•ืŸ
02:34
It's what right-thinking designers
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืžืขืฆื‘ื™ื ืฉื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื ื›ื•ืŸ
02:37
and all the clients are striving for.
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ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืœืงื•ื—ื•ืช ืฉื•ืืคื™ื ืืœื™ื•
02:39
Serious design, serious play,
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ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืจืฆื™ื ื™, ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™
02:41
is something else.
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ื”ื•ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ
02:43
For one thing, it often happens
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ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ, ื”ื•ื ืงื•ืจื” ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช
02:45
spontaneously, intuitively,
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ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืกืคื•ื ื˜ื ื™, ืื™ื ื˜ื•ืื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื™
02:48
accidentally or incidentally.
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ื›ืชืื•ื ื” ืื• ื‘ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘
02:50
It can be achieved out of innocence, or arrogance,
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ื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ื•ืฆืจ ืžืชื•ืš ืชืžื™ืžื•ืช ืื• ื™ื”ื™ืจื•ืช
02:52
or out of selfishness, sometimes out of carelessness.
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ืื• ืžืชื•ืš ืื ื•ื›ื™ื•ืช, ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžืชื•ืš ื—ื•ืกืจ ืฉื™ืžืช ืœื‘
02:55
But mostly, it's achieved through all those kind of crazy
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ืื‘ืœ ืœืจื•ื‘, ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืฆืจ ืžืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ื—ืœืงื™
02:59
parts of human behavior that
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ื”ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื•ืช ื”ืื ื•ืฉื™ืช ื”ืžืฉื•ื’ืขื™ื ื”ืœืœื•
03:01
don't really make any sense.
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ืฉื”ื ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ื™ื
03:03
Serious design is imperfect.
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ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ื”ื•ื ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžื•ืฉืœื
03:05
It's filled with the kind of craft laws that come from something being
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ื”ื•ื ืžืœื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื—ื•ืงื™ ืžืœืื›ื” ื”ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืžืžืฉื”ื•
03:07
the first of its kind.
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ ื‘ืžื™ื ื•
03:09
Serious design is also -- often -- quite unsuccessful
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ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ื”ื•ื ื’ื - ืœืจื•ื‘ - ืžืื•ื“ ืœื ืžืฆืœื™ื—
03:12
from the solemn point of view.
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ืžื ืงื•ื“ืช ื”ืžื‘ื˜ ื›ื‘ื“ืช ื”ืจืืฉ
03:14
That's because the art of serious play
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ื–ื” ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ืืžื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืจืฆื™ื ื™
03:16
is about invention, change, rebellion -- not perfection.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืžืฆืื”, ืฉื™ื ื•ื™, ืžืจื“ - ืœื ืฉืœืžื•ืช
03:19
Perfection happens during solemn play.
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ืฉืœืžื•ืช ืžืชืจื—ืฉืช ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ืžืฉื—ืง ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
03:23
Now, I always saw design careers
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืงืจื™ื™ืจื•ืช ื‘ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘
03:25
like surreal staircases.
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ื›ืžื• ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช ืกื•ืจื™ืืœื™ืกื˜ื™ื•ืช
03:28
If you look at the staircase, you'll see
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ืื ืชืกืชื›ืœื• ืขืœ ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช, ืืชื ืชืจืื•
03:31
that in your 20s the risers are very high
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ืฉื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืขืฉืจื™ื ืฉืœื›ื ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช ื ืจืื•ืช ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื•ืช ืžืื•ื“
03:34
and the steps are very short,
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ื•ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื ืงืฆืจื™ื ืžืื•ื“
03:37
and you make huge discoveries.
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ื•ืืชื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืชื’ืœื™ื•ืช ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื•ืช
03:39
You sort of leap up very quickly in your youth.
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ืืชื ืžื–ื ืงื™ื ืžื”ืจ ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ื ืขื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื›ื
03:42
That's because you don't know anything and you have a lot to learn,
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ื”ืกื™ื‘ื” ื”ื™ื ืฉืืชื ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื›ืœื•ื ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื” ืœืœืžื•ื“
03:44
and so that anything you do is a learning experience
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ื•ื›ืš ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื”ื•ื ื—ื•ื•ื™ื™ืช ืœืžื™ื“ื”
03:47
and you're just jumping right up there.
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ื•ืืชื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืงื•ืคืฆื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืฉืจ ืœืžืขืœื”
03:49
As you get older, the risers get shallower
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ื›ืฉืืชื ืžืชื‘ื’ืจื™ื, ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช ื”ื•ืคื›ื•ืช ื ืžื•ื›ื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ
03:51
and the steps get wider,
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ื•ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื ื”ื•ืคื›ื™ื ืจื—ื‘ื™ื ื™ืชืจ
03:53
and you start moving along at a slower pace
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ื•ืืชื ื–ื–ื™ื ื‘ืงืฆื‘ ืื™ื˜ื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ
03:56
because you're making fewer discoveries.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืืชื ืžื‘ืฆืขื™ื ืคื—ื•ืช ืชื’ืœื™ื•ืช
03:58
And as you get older and more decrepit,
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ื•ื›ื›ืœ ืฉืืชื ืžืชื‘ื’ืจื™ื ื•ื ื”ื™ื™ื ืชืฉื•ืฉื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ
04:00
you sort of inch along on this
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ืืชื ื ืฉืจื›ื™ื ื‘ืžืขืœื”
04:02
sort of depressing, long staircase,
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ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช ื”ืืจื•ื›ื•ืช ื•ื”ืžื“ื›ืื•ืช ื”ืืœื”
04:04
leading you into oblivion.
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ืฉืžื•ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ืืชื›ื ืœืื‘ื“ื•ืŸ
04:06
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:08
I find it's actually getting really hard to be serious.
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ืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆืืช ืฉื–ื” ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ืงืฉื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช
04:13
I'm hired to be solemn, but I find more and more
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ืฉื•ื›ืจื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืžื’ืœื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ื™ื•ืชืจ
04:16
that I'm solemn when I don't have to be.
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ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
04:18
And in my 35 years of working experience,
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ื•ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ื•ื—ืžืฉ ืฉื ื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื™
04:21
I think I was really serious four times.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืืžืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช ืืจื‘ืข ืคืขืžื™ื
04:24
And I'm going to show them to you now,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœื”ืจืื•ืช ืœื›ื ืื•ืชืŸ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•
04:26
because they came out of very specific conditions.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ืŸ ื ื•ืฆืจื• ืžืชื•ืš ืชื ืื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืกืคื™ืฆื™ืคื™ื™ื
04:29
It's great to be a kid.
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ื–ื” ื ืคืœื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื™ืœื“
04:31
Now, when I was in my early 20s,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืขืฉืจื™ื ืฉืœื™
04:34
I worked in the record business, designing record covers for CBS Records,
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ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืช ื”ืชืงืœื™ื˜ื™ื, ืขื™ืฆื‘ืชื™ ืขื˜ื™ืคื•ืช ืœืชืงืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืกื™.ื‘ื™.ืืก,
04:37
and I had no idea what a great job I had.
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ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืžื•ืฉื’ ืื™ื–ื• ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื ื”ื“ืจืช ื™ืฉ ืœื™
04:39
I thought everybody had a job like that.
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืœื›ื•ืœื ื™ืฉ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื›ื–ื•
04:42
And what --
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ื•ืžื”
04:44
the way I looked at design and the way I looked at the world was,
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ื”ื“ืจืš ืฉื‘ื” ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ืขืœ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื•ื”ื“ืจืš ืฉื‘ื” ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ื™ืชื”
04:47
what was going on around me
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ืžื” ืฉื”ืชืจื—ืฉ ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื™
04:49
and the things that came at the time I walked into design
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ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืื ื™ ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืœืขื™ืฆื•ื‘
04:51
were the enemy.
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ื”ื™ื• ื”ืื•ื™ื‘
04:53
I really, really, really hated
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ืžืžืฉ ืžืžืฉ ืžืžืฉ ืฉื ืืชื™
04:55
the typeface Helvetica.
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ืืช ื”ื’ื•ืคืŸ ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
04:57
I thought the typeface Helvetica
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื”ื’ื•ืคืŸ ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
05:00
was the cleanest, most boring, most fascistic,
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื•ืคืŸ ื”ื ืงื™ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื”ืžืฉืขืžื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื”ืคืฉื™ืกื˜ื™ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ
05:03
really repressive typeface,
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ืžืžืฉ ื’ื•ืคืŸ ืžื“ื›ื
05:06
and I hated everything that was designed in Helvetica.
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ื•ืฉื ืืชื™ ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืฆื‘ ื‘ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
05:08
And when I was in
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ื•ื›ืืฉืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™
05:10
my college days,
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ื‘ืงื•ืœื’'
05:12
this was the sort of design
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ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืกื•ื’ื™ ื”ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื
05:14
that was fashionable and popular.
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ืฉื”ื™ื• ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ื™ื ื•ื‘ืื•ืคื ื”
05:16
This is actually quite a lovely book jacket by Rudy de Harak,
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ื–ื•ื”ื™ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืขื˜ื™ืคืช ืกืคืจ ื“ื™ ืžืงืกื™ืžื” ืฉืœ ืจื•ื“ื™ ื“ื” ื”ืืจืืง
05:19
but I just hated it, because it was designed with Helvetica,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืฉื ืืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื ืขื•ืฆื‘ื” ืขื ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
05:22
and I made parodies about it.
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ื•ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ืคืืจื•ื“ื™ื•ืช ืขืœ ื–ื”
05:24
I just thought it was, you know, completely boring.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื”, ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืžืฉืขืžื ืœื’ืžืจื™
05:27
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
05:29
So -- so, my goal in life
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ืื– - ืื–, ืžื˜ืจืชื™ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ืชื”
05:31
was to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica.
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ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื ื ื•ืฆืจื• ื‘ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
05:35
And to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica
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ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื ื ื•ืฆืจื• ื‘ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
05:37
was actually kind of hard because you had to find it.
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ื”ื™ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ื“ื™ ืงืฉื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืžืฆื•ื ืืช ื–ื”
05:40
And there weren't a lot of books about the history of design
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ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืกืคืจื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘
05:43
in the early 70s. There weren't --
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ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉื‘ืขื™ื. ืœื ื”ื™ื•
05:45
there wasn't a plethora of design publishing.
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ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื•ื“ืฉ ืฉืœ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืคืจืกื•ืžื™
05:47
You actually had to go to antique stores. You had to go to Europe.
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ืฆืจื™ืš ื”ื™ื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœื—ื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืขื ืชื™ืงื•ืช. ืฆืจื™ืš ื”ื™ื” ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืื™ืจื•ืคื”
05:49
You had to go places and find the stuff.
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ืฆืจื™ืš ื”ื™ื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื•ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ื–ื”
05:52
And what I responded to was, you know,
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ื•ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื’ื‘ืชื™ ืœื•, ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื
05:54
Art Nouveau, or deco,
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ืืจื˜ ื ื•ื‘ื•, ืื• ื“ืงื•
05:57
or Victorian typography,
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ืื• ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื” ื•ื™ืงื˜ื•ืจื™ืื ื™ืช
05:59
or things that were just completely not Helvetica.
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ืื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ ืœื ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
06:03
And I taught myself design this way,
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ื•ื›ืš ืœื™ืžื“ืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘
06:06
and this was sort of my early years,
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ื•ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื™
06:08
and I used these things
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ื•ื”ืฉืชืžืฉืชื™ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืืœื•
06:10
in really goofy ways
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ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ืจื›ื™ื ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ื•ืช
06:12
on record covers and in my design.
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ืขืœ ืขื˜ื™ืคื•ืช ืชืงืœื™ื˜ื™ื ื•ื‘ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื™
06:14
I wasn't educated. I just sort of
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ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื”ืฉื›ืœื”. ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™
06:16
put these things together.
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ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื™ื—ื“
06:18
I mixed up Victorian designs with pop,
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ืขืจื‘ื‘ืชื™ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื•ื™ืงื˜ื•ืจื™ืื ื™ ืขื ืคื•ืค
06:20
and I mixed up Art Nouveau with something else.
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ื•ืขื™ืจื‘ื‘ืชื™ ืืจื˜ ื ื‘ื• ืขื ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ
06:23
And I made these very lush,
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ื•ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ืขื˜ื™ืคื•ืช ืชืงืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืขืกื™ืกื™ื•ืช
06:25
very elaborate record covers,
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ืžืื•ื“ ืžืฉื•ื›ืœืœื•ืช
06:28
not because I was being a post-modernist or a historicist --
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ืœื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืคื•ืกื˜ ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™ืกื˜ื™ืช ืื• ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื•ื ื™ืช -
06:31
because I didn't know what those things were.
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ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื”ื ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืœืœื• -
06:33
I just hated Helvetica.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืฉื ืืชื™ ื”ืœื•ื•ื˜ื™ืงื”
06:35
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
06:36
And that kind of passion
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ื•ืกื•ื’ ื›ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืชืฉื•ืงื”
06:39
drove me into very serious play,
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ื“ื—ืฃ ืื•ืชื™ ืœืชื•ืš ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ืžืื•ื“
06:41
a kind of play I could never do now
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ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืžืฉื—ืง ืฉืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช
06:44
because I'm too well-educated.
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืขืœืช ื”ืฉื›ืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืžื“ื™
06:46
And there's something wonderful about
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืžืฉื”ื• ื ืคืœื
06:49
that form of youth,
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ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื–ื• ืฉืœ ื”ื ืขื•ืจื™ื
06:51
where you can let yourself
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ื›ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืชืช ืœืขืฆืžื›ื
06:54
grow and play, and be
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ืœื’ื“ื•ืœ ื•ืœืฉื—ืง, ื•ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
06:56
really a brat, and then accomplish things.
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ืคืจื—ื—ื™ื ื‘ืขืฆื, ื•ืื– ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื
06:59
By the end of the '70s, actually,
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ืœืงืจืืช ืกื•ืฃ ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉื‘ืขื™ื, ืœืžืขืฉื”
07:01
the stuff became known.
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื ืขืฉื• ื™ื“ื•ืขื™ื
07:03
I mean, these covers appeared all over the world,
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ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ื ืช, ื”ืขื˜ื™ืคื•ืช ื”ืœืœื• ื”ื•ืคื™ืขื• ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืขื•ืœื
07:05
and they started winning awards,
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ื•ื”ืŸ ื”ื—ืœื• ืœื–ื›ื•ืช ื‘ืคืจืกื™ื
07:07
and people knew them.
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ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื›ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชืŸ
07:09
And I was suddenly a post-modernist,
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ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืคื•ืกื˜ ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™ืกื˜ื™ืช
07:12
and I began a career as -- in my own business.
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ื•ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืงืจื™ื™ืจื”, ืขืกืง ืžืฉืœื™
07:15
And first I was praised for it, then criticized for it,
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ื•ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ืœืœื• ืื•ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื‘ื™ืงืจื• ืื•ืชื™
07:18
but the fact of the matter was, I had become solemn.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ื”ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื”ืคื›ืชื™ ืœื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
07:21
I didn't do what I think
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ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื” ืฉื—ืฉื‘ืชื™
07:23
was a piece of serious work again for about 14 years.
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช ื‘ืžืฉืš 14 ืฉื ื™ื
07:27
I spent most of the '80s being quite solemn,
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ื”ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ืžืจื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
07:29
turning out these sorts of designs
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ื‘ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื
07:31
that I was expected to do
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ืฉืฆื™ืคื• ืžืžื ื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ
07:33
because that's who I was,
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื–ื” ืžื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™
07:35
and I was living in this cycle of going from serious to solemn
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ื•ื—ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืžืขื™ืŸ ืžืขื’ืœ ืฉื‘ื• ื ืขืชื™ ืžืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช ืœืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
07:38
to hackneyed to dead, and getting rediscovered all over again.
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ืœืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื ื“ื•ืฉื” ื•ืžืชื”, ื•ืื– ืœื”ืชื’ืœื•ืช ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื—ื“ืฉ
07:43
So, here was the second condition
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ืื–, ื›ืืŸ ื”ื™ื” ื”ืชื ืื™ ื”ืฉื ื™
07:45
for which I think I accomplished some serious play.
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ืฉื‘ื–ื›ื•ืชื• ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืฉื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™
07:50
There's a Paul Newman movie
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ื™ืฉ ืกืจื˜ ืขื ืคื•ืœ ื ื™ื•ืžืŸ
07:52
that I love called "The Verdict."
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ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ืช ืฉื ืงืจื - ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ
07:54
I don't know how many of you have seen it, but it's a beaut.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ื›ืžื” ืžื›ื ืจืื• ืื•ืชื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื™ืคื”
07:57
And in the movie, he plays
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ื•ื‘ืกืจื˜ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื•ื ืžืฉื—ืง
07:59
a down-and-out lawyer
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ืขื•ืจืš ื“ื™ืŸ ื–ืจื•ืง ื•ืฉื‘ื•ืจ
08:01
who's become an ambulance chaser.
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ืฉืžืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื ื›ืžื• ืชืื•ื ื•ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืงืœื™ื™ื ื˜ื™ื
08:03
And he's taken on --
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ื•ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื•
08:05
he's given, actually -- a malpractice suit to handle
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ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื• ืชื™ืง ืฉืœ ืจืฉืœื ื•ืช ืคื•ืฉืขืช
08:08
that's sort of an easy deal,
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ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืขื™ืŸ ืขืกืงื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ื”
08:10
and in the midst of trying to connect the deal,
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ื•ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืœืกื’ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืขืกืงื”
08:12
he starts to empathize
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ื”ื•ื ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื—ื•ืฉ ืืžืคืชื™ื”
08:14
and identify with his client,
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ื•ืœื”ื–ื“ื”ื•ืช ืขื ื”ืœืงื•ื— ืฉืœื•
08:16
and he regains his morality and purpose,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืจื•ื›ืฉ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืืช ื”ืžื•ืกืจื™ื•ืช ื•ืชื—ื•ืฉืช ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ืฉืœื•
08:19
and he goes on to win the case.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื–ื•ื›ื” ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื‘ืชื™ืง
08:21
And in the depth of despair,
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ื•ื‘ืชื”ื•ืžื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ืื•ืฉ
08:24
in the midst of the movie, when it looks like he can't pull this thing off,
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ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ืกืจื˜, ื›ืฉื ืจืื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ืฆืœื™ื— ืœื–ื›ื•ืช
08:28
and he needs this case,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ืชื™ืง ื”ื–ื”
08:30
he needs to win this case so badly.
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ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื–ื›ื•ืช ื‘ืชื™ืง ื”ื–ื” ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื ื•ืืฉ
08:32
There's a shot of Paul Newman alone,
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ื™ืฉ ืฉื•ื˜ ืฉืœ ืคื•ืœ ื ื™ื•ืžืŸ ืœื‘ื“
08:35
in his office, saying,
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ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ืฉืœื•, ืื•ืžืจ
08:38
"This is the case. There are no other cases.
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ื–ื”ื• ื”ืชื™ืง. ืื™ืŸ ืชื™ืงื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื
08:41
This is the case. There are no other cases."
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ื–ื”ื• ื”ืชื™ืง. ืื™ืŸ ืชื™ืงื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื
08:44
And in that moment of
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ื•ื‘ืจื’ืข ื”ื–ื”
08:46
desire and focus,
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ืฉืœ ืชืฉื•ืงื” ื•ืจื™ื›ื•ื–
08:48
he can win.
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ื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื ืฆื—
08:50
And that is a wonderful
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ื•ื–ื• ืขืžื“ื” ื ืคืœืื”
08:52
position to be in to create some serious play.
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ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™
08:56
And I had that moment in 1994
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ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืจื’ืข ื”ื–ื” ื‘-1994
08:59
when I met a theater director
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ื›ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื‘ืžืื™ ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ
09:01
named George Wolfe,
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ื‘ืฉื ื’'ื•ืจื’' ื•ื•ืœืฃ
09:03
who was going to have me design
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ืฉื‘ื™ืงืฉ ืžืžื ื™ ืœืขืฆื‘
09:05
an identity for the New York Shakespeare Festival,
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ื–ื”ื•ืช ืœืคืกื˜ื™ื‘ืœ ืฉื™ื™ืงืกืคื™ืจ ื‘ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง
09:08
then known,
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ื›ืคื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ืื–
09:10
and then became the Public Theater.
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ื•ืื– ื ื”ืคืš ืœืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
09:12
And I began getting immersed
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ื•ืื ื™ ืฉืงืขืชื™ ื›ื•ืœื™
09:14
in this project
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ื‘ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”
09:16
in a way I never was before.
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ื‘ื“ืจืš ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืฉืงืขืชื™
09:18
This is what theater advertising looked like at that time.
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ื›ืš ื ืจืื• ืžื•ื“ืขื•ืช ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื”ื™ื
09:21
This is what was in the newspapers and in the New York Times.
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื™ืชื•ื ื™ื ื•ื‘ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ื˜ื™ื™ืžืก
09:24
So, this is sort of a comment on the time.
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ืื–, ื–ื•ื”ื™ ื‘ืขืฆื ื”ืขืจื” ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื”
09:27
And the Public Theater actually had much better advertising than this.
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ื•ืœืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ื”ื™ื• ืžื•ื“ืขื•ืช ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืžืืœื”
09:30
They had no logo and no identity,
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ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืœื ืœื•ื’ื• ื•ืœื ื–ื”ื•ืช
09:32
but they had these very iconic posters
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื ืคื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื ืื™ื™ืงื•ื ื™ื™ื
09:35
painted by Paul Davis.
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ืฉืฆื•ื™ืจื• ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืคื•ืœ ื“ื™ื™ื•ื•ื™ืก
09:37
And George Wolf had taken over from another director
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ื•ื’'ื•ืจื’' ื•ื•ืœืฃ ื”ื—ืœื™ืฃ ื‘ืžืื™ ืื—ืจ
09:40
and he wanted to change the theater,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืจืฆื” ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ
09:42
and he wanted to make it urban and loud
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ื”ื•ื ืจืฆื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื•ืชื• ืื•ืจื‘ื ื™ ื•ืจื•ืขืฉ
09:44
and a place that was inclusive.
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ื•ืžืงื•ื ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ืจื—ื‘ ื”ื™ืงืฃ
09:47
So, drawing on my love of typography,
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ืื–, ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืื™ื‘ื” ืžื”ืื”ื‘ื” ืฉืœื™ ืœื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื”
09:50
I immersed myself into this project.
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ืฉื™ืงืขืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื‘ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”
09:53
And what was different about it was the totality of it,
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ื˜ื•ื˜ืืœื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื•
09:57
was that I really became the voice, the visual voice, of a place
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ืฉืžืžืฉ ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ืงื•ืœ, ื”ืงื•ืœ ื”ื•ื™ื–ื•ืืœื™ ืฉืœ ืžืงื•ื
10:01
in a way I had never done before,
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ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืžืขื•ืœื
10:03
where every aspect --
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ื›ืืฉืจ ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื‘ื˜
10:05
the smallest ad, the ticket, whatever it was --
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ื”ืžื•ื“ืขื” ื”ื›ื™ ืงื˜ื ื”, ื”ื›ืจื˜ื™ืก, ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื”
10:07
was designed by me.
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ืขื•ืฆื‘ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™
10:09
There was no format.
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ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื•ื ืชื‘ื ื™ืช
10:11
There was no in-house department that these things were pushed to.
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ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื•ื ืžื—ืœืงื” ื‘ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืืคืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืœื™ื” ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
10:14
I literally for three years made everything --
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ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื”ื›ืœ
10:16
every scrap of paper, everything online,
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ื›ืœ ืคื™ืกืช ื ื™ื™ืจ, ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืื•ื ืœื™ื™ืŸ
10:19
that this theater did.
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ืฉื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืขืฉื”
10:21
And it was the only job,
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ื•ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื”
10:23
even though I was doing other jobs.
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ืขืœ ืืฃ ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช
10:25
I lived and breathed it in a way I haven't
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ื—ื™ื™ืชื™ ื•ื ืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ
10:27
with a client since.
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ืฉืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืขื ืœืงื•ื— ืžืื–
10:29
It enabled me to really express myself and grow.
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ื–ื” ืื™ืคืฉืจ ืœื™ ืœื‘ื˜ื ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื•ืœื’ื“ื•ืœ
10:33
And I think that you know
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื
10:35
when you're going to be given this position,
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ื›ืฉื ื™ืชื ืช ืœื›ื ื”ืขืžื“ื” ื”ื–ื•
10:37
and it's rare, but when you get it and you have this opportunity,
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ื•ื–ื” ื ื“ื™ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื›ืฉืืชื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืื•ืชื” ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืืช ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื”ื–ื•
10:41
it's the moment of serious play.
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ื–ื”ื• ืจื’ืข ืฉืœ ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™
10:43
I did these things, and I still do them.
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ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื•, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืขื•ืฉื” ืื•ืชื
10:46
I still work for the Public Theater.
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืขื•ื‘ื“ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
10:48
I'm on their board, and
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ืื ื™ ื‘ื•ื•ืขื“ ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ืฉืœื”ื
10:50
I still am involved with it.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืขื•ืจื‘ืช ื‘ื–ื”
10:53
The high point of the Public Theater, I think, was in 1996,
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ื”ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ื”ื™ื”, ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™, ื‘-1996
10:56
two years after I designed it,
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ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขื™ืฆื‘ืชื™
10:58
which was the "Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk" campaign
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ืืช ื”ืงืžืคื™ื™ืŸ - ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืืช ื”ืจืขืฉ, ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืืช ื”ืคืื ืง
11:01
that was all over New York.
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ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื ื™ื• ื™ื•ืจืง
11:03
But something happened to it, and what happened to it was,
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ืื‘ืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ืงืจื” ืœื–ื”, ื•ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ืœื–ื” ื”ื•ื -
11:06
it became very popular.
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ื–ื” ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™
11:08
And that is a kiss of death for something serious
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ื•ื–ื•ื”ื™ ื ืฉื™ืงืช ืžื•ื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืžืฉื”ื• ืจืฆื™ื ื™
11:11
because it makes it solemn.
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืื•ืชื• ืœื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
11:14
And what happened was
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ื•ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ื”ื•ื
11:16
that New York City, to a degree,
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ืฉื ื™ื• ื™ื•ืจืง, ื‘ืžื™ื“ื” ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžืช
11:18
ate my identity
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ืื›ืœื” ืืช ื”ื–ื”ื•ืช ืฉืœื™
11:21
because people began to copy it.
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื—ืœื• ืœื”ืขืชื™ืง ืืช ื–ื”
11:24
Here's an ad in the New York Times
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ื”ื ื” ืžื•ื“ืขื” ืžื”ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ื˜ื™ื™ืžืก
11:26
somebody did for a play called "Mind Games."
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ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขืฉื” ืœืžื—ื–ื” ืฉื ืงืจื - ืžืฉื—ืงื™ ืชื•ื“ืขื”
11:30
Then "Chicago" came out, used similar graphics,
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ื•ืื– ื”ืžื—ื–ื” "ืฉื™ืงื’ื•" ื™ืฆื, ื•ื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื’ืจืคื™ืงื” ื“ื•ืžื”
11:33
and the Public Theater's identity was just totally eaten and taken away,
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ื•ื”ื–ื”ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ืœื’ืžืจื™ ื ืื›ืœื” ื•ื ืœืงื—ื”
11:36
which meant I had to change it.
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ื•ื”ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ืฉืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”
11:39
So, I changed it so that every season was different,
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ืื–, ืฉื™ื ื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืš ืฉื›ืœ ืขื•ื ื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื•ื ื”
11:42
and I continued to do these posters,
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉื™ื›ื” ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืคื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื ื”ืœืœื•
11:44
but they never had the seriousness
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ืื‘ืœ ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช
11:46
of the first identity
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ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ื–ื”ื•ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
11:48
because they were too individual, and they didn't have that heft
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื“ื™ ืื™ื ื“ื‘ื™ื“ื•ืืœื™ื, ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืืช ืื•ืชื• ืžืฉืงืœ
11:51
of everything being the same thing.
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ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืฉื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ื ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ
11:54
Now -- and I think since the Public Theater,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื• - ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืžืื– ื”ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
11:57
I must have done more than a dozen
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ืื ื™ ื‘ื˜ื— ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืขืฉืจื•ืช
11:59
cultural identities for major institutions,
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ื–ื”ื•ื™ื•ืช ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ื•ืช ืœืชืขืฉื™ื•ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช
12:02
and I don't think I ever -- I ever
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ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืื™ ืคืขื - ืฉืื ื™ ืื™ ืคืขื
12:04
grasped that seriousness again --
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ืœื›ื“ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช ื”ื–ื•
12:06
I do them for very big, important institutions
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ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืื•ืชื ืœืžื•ืกื“ื•ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ื•ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื ืžืื•ื“
12:08
in New York City.
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ื‘ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง
12:10
The institutions are solemn,
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ื”ืžื•ืกื“ื•ืช ื”ื ื›ื‘ื“ื™ ืจืืฉ
12:13
and so is the design.
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ื•ื›ืš ื’ื ื”ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื
12:15
They're better crafted than the Public Theater was,
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ื”ื ืขืฉื•ื™ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืฉื”ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื ืœืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ื”ื™ื•
12:17
and they spend more money on them, but I think
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ื•ื”ื ืžื•ืฆื™ืื™ื ืขืœื™ื”ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื›ืกืฃ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช
12:19
that that moment comes and goes.
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ืฉื”ืจื’ืข ื‘ื ื•ื”ื•ืœืš
12:22
The best way to accomplish serious design --
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ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื”ืฉื™ื’ ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืจืฆื™ื ื™
12:24
which I think we all have the opportunity to do --
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ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืœื›ื•ืœื ื• ื™ืฉ ืืช ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœื”ืฉื™ื’
12:27
is to be totally and completely unqualified for the job.
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ื–ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžื•ื—ืœื˜ ื•ื’ืžื•ืจ ื‘ืœืชื™ ื›ืฉื™ืจื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”
12:31
That doesn't happen very often,
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ื–ื” ืœื ืงื•ืจื” ื”ืจื‘ื”
12:33
but it happened to me in the year 2000,
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืงืจื” ืœื™ ื‘ืฉื ืช 2000
12:35
when for some reason or another,
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ื›ืืฉืจ ืžืกื™ื‘ื” ื–ื• ืื• ืื—ืจืช
12:37
a whole pile of different architects
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ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื
12:39
started to ask me to design
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ื‘ื™ืงืฉื• ืžืžื ื™ ืœืขืฆื‘ ื™ื—ื“ ืื™ืชื
12:41
the insides of theaters with them,
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ืืช ื—ืœืœ-ื”ืคื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืชื™ืื˜ืจืื•ืช
12:43
where I would take environmental graphics and work them into buildings.
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ื›ืืฉืจ ืื ื™ ืืงื— ื’ืจืคื™ืงื•ืช ืกื‘ื™ื‘ืชื™ื•ืช ื•ืื”ืคื•ืš ืื•ืชื ืœื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื
12:46
I'd never done this kind of work before.
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ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื›ื–ื• ืงื•ื“ื
12:48
I didn't know how to read an architectural plan,
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ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืื™ืš ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ื ื™ืช
12:51
I didn't know what they were talking about,
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ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืขืœ ืžื” ื”ื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื
12:53
and I really couldn't handle the fact that a job --
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ื•ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืขื‘ื•ื“ื”
12:55
a single job -- could go on for four years
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ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืื—ืช - ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ืžืฉืš ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื
12:57
because I was used to immediacy in graphic design,
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืจื’ื™ืœื” ืœืžื™ื™ื“ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื’ืจืคื™
13:00
and that kind of attention to detail
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ื•ืกื•ื’ ื›ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืฉื™ืžืช ืœื‘ ืœืคืจื˜ื™ื
13:02
was really bad for somebody like me, with ADD.
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ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ืจืข ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื™ ื›ืžื•ื ื™, ืขื ื”ืคืจืขืช ืงืฉื‘ ื•ืจื™ื›ื•ื–
13:05
So, it was a rough -- it was a rough go,
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ืื–, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื” - ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืงืฉื”
13:08
but I fell in love with this process
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืชืื”ื‘ืชื™ ื‘ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื–ื”
13:11
of actually integrating graphics into architecture
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ืฉืœ ืฉื™ืœื•ื‘ ื’ืจืคื™ืงื” ืœืชื•ืš ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”
13:14
because I didn't know what I was doing.
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื” ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”
13:17
I said, "Why can't the signage be on the floor?"
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ืืžืจืชื™ - ืœืžื” ืžืขืจื›ืช ื”ืกื™ืžื ื™ื ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”?
13:19
New Yorkers look at their feet.
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ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืงืจื™ื ืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœ ื›ืคื•ืช ื”ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื
13:21
And then I found that actors and actresses
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ื•ืื– ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ืกื™ืžื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืฉื—ืงื ื™ื ื•ืฉื—ืงื ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืกืจื˜ื™ื
13:23
actually take their cues from the floor,
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ืœืžืขืฉื” ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื‘ืจืฆืคื”
13:25
so it turned out that these sorts of sign systems
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ื›ืš ืฉื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉืžืขืจื›ืช ืกื™ืžื ื™ื ื–ื•
13:28
began to make sense.
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ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ืช
13:30
They integrated with the building in really peculiar ways.
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ื”ื ื”ืฉืชืœื‘ื• ืขื ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ื“ืจืš ืžืขื ื™ื™ื ืช ืžืื•ื“
13:33
They ran around corners,
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ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœืื•ืจืš ืคื™ื ื•ืช
13:35
they went up sides of buildings,
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ื”ื ื˜ื™ืคืกื• ื‘ืžืขืœื” ืฆื“ื™ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื
13:38
and they melded into the architecture.
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ื•ื”ื ืขื•ืจื‘ื‘ื• ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”
13:40
This is Symphony Space on 90th Street and Broadway,
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ื–ื”ื• "ืžืจื—ื‘ ืกื™ืžืคื•ื ื™ื”" ืขืœ ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืชืฉืขื™ื ื•ื‘ืจื•ื“ื•ื•ื™ื™
13:43
and the type is interwoven into the stainless steel
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ื•ื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื” ืืจื•ื’ื” ืœืชื•ืš ืžืชื›ืช ื”ืืœ-ื—ืœื“
13:46
and backlit with fiber optics.
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ื•ืžื•ืืจืช ืžืื—ื•ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืกื™ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืคื˜ื™ื™ื
13:50
And the architect, Jim Polshek,
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ื•ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜, ื’'ื™ื ืคื•ืœืฆ'ืง
13:52
essentially gave me a canvas
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ื‘ืขืฆื ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืงื ื‘ืก
13:54
to play typography out on.
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ืฉืื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืฉืชืขืฉืข ืขืœื™ื• ืขื ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื”
13:56
And it was serious play.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื—ืง ืจืฆื™ื ื™
13:58
This is the children's museum in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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ื–ื”ื• ืžื•ื–ื™ืื•ืŸ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื‘ืคื™ื˜ืกื‘ื•ืจื’, ืคื ืกื™ืœื‘ื ื™ื”
14:01
made out of completely inexpensive materials.
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ื‘ื ื•ื™ ืžื—ื•ืžืจื™ื ื‘ืœืชื™ ื™ืงืจื™ื ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ
14:04
Extruded typography that's backlit with neon.
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ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื” ื‘ื•ืœื˜ืช ืฉืžื•ืืจืช ืžืื—ื•ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื ื™ืื•ืŸ
14:07
Things I never did before, built before.
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืงื•ื“ื, ืœื ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืงื•ื“ื
14:09
I just thought they'd be kind of fun to do.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ื›ื™ืฃ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื•ืชื
14:11
Donors' walls made out of Lucite.
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ืงื™ืจ ืชื•ืจืžื™ื ืขืฉื•ื™ ืœื•ืฆื™ื˜
14:14
And then, inexpensive signage.
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ื•ืื–, ืžืขืจื›ืช ืกื™ืžื ื™ื ืœื ื™ืงืจื”
14:17
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
14:23
I think my favorite of these
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื” ืขืœื™ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ
14:25
was this little job in Newark, New Jersey.
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ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ื• ื‘ื ื™ื•ืืจืง, ื ื™ื•-ื’'ืจืกื™
14:27
It's a performing arts school.
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ื–ื”ื• ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ืœืืžื ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื‘ืžื”
14:30
This is the building that -- they had no money,
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ื–ื” ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ - ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื›ืกืฃ
14:33
and they had to recast it, and they said,
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ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฆื‘ ืื•ืชื• ืžื—ื“ืฉ, ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื•
14:35
if we give you 100,000 dollars, what can you do with it?
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ืื ื ื™ืชืŸ ืœืš ืžืื” ืืœืฃ ื“ื•ืœืจ, ืžื” ืชื•ื›ืœื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื™ืชื?
14:38
And I did a little Photoshop job on it, and I said,
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ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืงืฆืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ืคื•ื˜ื•ืฉื•ืค ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื•ืืžืจืชื™
14:40
Well, I think we can paint it.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืฆื‘ื•ืข ืืช ื–ื”
14:42
And we did. And it was play.
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ื•ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื•. ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื—ืง
14:46
And there's the building. Everything was painted --
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ื•ื”ื ื” ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ. ื”ื›ืœ ื ืฆื‘ืข
14:49
typography over the whole damn thing,
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ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื” ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืืจื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”
14:51
including the air conditioning ducts.
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ื›ื•ืœืœ ื”ืฆื™ื ื•ืจื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžื™ื–ื•ื’ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ
14:53
I hired guys who paint flats
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ืฉื›ืจืชื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืžืฆื™ื™ืจื™ื ืžืฉื˜ื—ื™ื
14:55
fixed on the sides of garages
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ืžืงื•ื‘ืขื™ื ื‘ืฆื“ื™ ืžื•ืกื›ื™ื
14:58
to do the painting on the building, and they loved it.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื™ืฆื‘ืขื• ืืช ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื•ื”ื ืื”ื‘ื• ืืช ื–ื”
15:00
They got into it -- they took the job incredibly seriously.
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ื”ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ืœื–ื” - ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช
15:02
They used to climb up on the building and call me
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ื”ื ื ื”ื’ื• ืœื˜ืคืก ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื•ืœืงืจื•ื ืœื™
15:04
and tell me that they had to correct my typography --
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ื•ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื™ ืฉืขืœื™ ืœืชืงืŸ ืืช ื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ื’ืจืคื™ื” ืฉืœื™
15:07
that my spacing was wrong, and they moved it,
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ืฉื”ืจื™ื•ื•ื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื•ื”ื ื”ื–ื™ื–ื• ืืช ื–ื”
15:09
and they did wonderful things with it.
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ื•ืขืฉื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื ืคืœืื™ื ืขื ื–ื”
15:11
They were pretty serious, too. It was quite wonderful.
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ื”ื ื’ื ื”ื™ื• ื“ื™ ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืคืœื
15:14
By the time I did Bloomberg's headquarters
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžืฉืจื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื‘ืœื•ืžื‘ืจื’
15:17
my work had begun to become accepted.
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ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืงื•ื‘ืœืช
15:21
People wanted it in big, expensive places.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืจืฆื• ืื•ืชื” ื‘ื—ืœืœื™ื ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื, ื™ืงืจื™ื
15:24
And that began to make it solemn.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ืคืš ืื•ืชื” ืœื›ื‘ื“ืช ืจืืฉ
15:26
Bloomberg was all about numbers,
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ืืฆืœ ื‘ืœื•ืžื‘ืจื’ ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืคืจื™ื
15:28
and we did big numbers through the space
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ื•ื™ืฆืจื ื• ืžืกืคืจื™ื ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ืœืื•ืจืš ื”ื—ืœืœ
15:31
and the numbers were projected on a spectacular LED
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ื•ื”ืžืกืคืจื™ื ื”ื•ืงืจื ื• ืขืœ ืœื“ ืขืฆื•ื
15:34
that my partner, Lisa Strausfeld, programmed.
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ืฉื‘ืช ื–ื•ื’ืชื™, ืœื™ืกื” ืกื˜ืจื•ืกืคืœื“, ืชื›ื ื ื”
15:37
But it became the end
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืกื•ืฃ
15:39
of the seriousness of the play,
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ืœืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉื—ืง
15:42
and it started to, once again, become solemn.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช, ืฉื•ื‘, ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
15:45
This is a current project
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ื–ื”ื• ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ืขื›ืฉื•ื•ื™
15:47
in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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ื‘ืคื™ื˜ืกื‘ื•ืจื’, ืคื ืกื™ืœื‘ื ื™ื”
15:49
where I got to be goofy.
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ืฉื‘ื• ื”ืชืืคืฉืจ ืœื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ืช
15:51
I was invited to design
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ื”ื•ื–ืžื ืชื™ ืœืขืฆื‘
15:53
a logo for this neighborhood, called the North Side,
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ืœื•ื’ื• ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืฉื›ื•ื ื” ื”ื–ื•, ืฉื ืงืจืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืฆืคื•ื ื™
15:56
and I thought it was silly for a neighborhood to have a logo.
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ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ ืฉืœืฉื›ื•ื ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื•ื’ื•
15:59
I think that's rather creepy, actually. Why would a neighborhood have a logo?
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื–ื” ื“ื™ ืžื‘ื”ื™ืœ, ืœืžืขืฉื”. ืœืžื” ืฉืœืฉื›ื•ื ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื•ื’ื•?
16:02
A neighborhood has a thing -- it's got a landmark, it's got a place,
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ืœืฉื›ื•ื ื” ื™ืฉ ื“ื‘ืจ - ื™ืฉ ืœื” ื ืงื•ื“ืช ืฆื™ื•ืŸ, ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืžืงื•ื
16:04
it's got a restaurant. It doesn't have a logo. I mean, what would that be?
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ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืžืกืขื“ื”. ืื™ืŸ ืœื” ืœื•ื’ื•. ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ื ืช, ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื™ืจืื”?
16:07
So I had to actually give a presentation
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ืื– ื ืืœืฆืชื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืคืจื–ื ื˜ืฆื™ื”
16:10
to a city council
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ืœืžื•ืขืฆืช ื”ืขื™ืจ
16:12
and neighborhood constituents,
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ื•ื”ื‘ื•ื—ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื›ื•ื ื”
16:14
and I went to Pittsburgh and I said,
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ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืคื™ื˜ืกื‘ื•ืจื’ ื•ืืžืจืชื™
16:17
"You know, really what you have here
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ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืžื” ืฉื‘ืืžืช ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ื›ืืŸ
16:19
are all these underpasses
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ื”ื ื”ืžืขื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืชื—ืชื™ื™ื ื”ืืœื”
16:21
that separate the neighborhood from the center of town.
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ืฉืžืคืจื™ื“ื™ื ืืช ื”ืฉื›ื•ื ื” ืžืžืจื›ื– ื”ืขื™ืจ
16:24
Why don't you celebrate them, and make the underpasses landmarks?"
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ืœืžื” ืฉืœื ืชื—ื’ื’ื• ืื•ืชื ื•ืชื”ืคื›ื• ืืช ื”ืžืขื‘ืจื™ื ืœืฆื™ื•ื ื™ ื“ืจืš
16:27
So I began doing this crazy presentation
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ืื– ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืคืจื–ื ื˜ืฆื™ื” ื”ืžืฉื•ื’ืขืช ื”ื–ืืช
16:30
of these installations --
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ืฉืœ ื”ื”ืชืงื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”
16:32
potential installations -- on
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ื”ืชืงื ื™ื ืคื•ื˜ื ืฆื™ืืœื™ื - ืขืœ
16:35
these underpass bridges,
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ื”ื’ืฉืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืขื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืชื—ืชื™ื™ื ื”ืืœื”
16:37
and stood up in front of the city council --
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ื•ืขืžื“ืชื™ ืžื•ืœ ืžื•ืขืฆืช ื”ืขื™ืจ
16:39
and was a little bit scared,
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืขื˜ ืžื‘ื•ื”ืœืช
16:41
I have to admit.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœื”ื•ื“ื•ืช
16:43
But I was so utterly unqualified for this project,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืœื ื›ืฉื™ืจื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ื•
16:47
and so utterly ridiculous,
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ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื’ื•ื—ื›ืช
16:49
and ignored the brief so desperately
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ื•ื”ืชืขืœืžืชื™ ืžื”ื”ื ื—ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื” ื ื•ืืฉืช
16:53
that I think they just embraced it with wholeheartedness,
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ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืื™ืžืฆื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ืœื™ื‘ื
16:56
just completely because it was so goofy to begin with.
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ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ ืžืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื”
17:00
And this is the bridge they're actually
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ื•ื–ื”ื• ื”ื’ืฉืจ ืฉื”ื
17:02
painting up and preparing as we speak.
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ืฆื•ื‘ืขื™ื ื•ืžื›ื™ื ื™ื ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื
17:05
It will change every six months, and it will become an art installation
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ื–ื” ื™ืฉืชื ื” ื›ืœ ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื, ื•ื–ื” ื™ื”ืคื•ืš ืœื”ืชืงืŸ ืืžื ื•ืชื™
17:08
in the North Side of Pittsburgh,
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ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืฆืคื•ื ื™ ืฉืœ ืคื™ื˜ืกื‘ื•ืจื’
17:10
and it will probably become a landmark in the area.
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ื•ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื”ื ื™ื— ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ืคื•ืš ืœื ืงื•ื“ืช ืฆื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ
17:13
John Hockenberry told you a bit about
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ื’'ื•ืŸ ื”ื•ืงื ื‘ืจื™ ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื›ื ืงืฆืช ืขืœ
17:16
my travail with Citibank,
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ืฆื™ืจื™ ื”ืœื™ื“ื” ืฉืœื™ ืขื ืกื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื ืง
17:18
that is now a 10-year relationship, and I still work with them.
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ื–ื•ื”ื™ ื›ืขืช ืžืขืจื›ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืฉืœ ืขืฉืจ ืฉื ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืขื•ื‘ื“ืช ืื™ืชื
17:22
And I actually am amused by them and like them,
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืฉื•ืขืฉืขืช ืžื”ื, ื•ืžื—ื‘ื‘ืช ืื•ืชื
17:25
and think that as a very, very, very, very, very big corporation
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื›ืชืื’ื™ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ื’ื“ื•ืœ
17:28
they actually keep their graphics very nice.
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ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ื™ื ื’ืจืคื™ื™ื ื“ื™ ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื
17:31
I drew the logo for Citibank
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ืื ื™ ืฆื™ื™ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืœื•ื’ื• ืœืกื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื ืง
17:33
on a napkin in the first meeting.
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ืขืœ ืžืคื™ืช ื‘ืคื’ื™ืฉื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
17:36
That was the play part of the job.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ื—ืœืง ื”ืžืฉื—ืงื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”
17:38
And then I spent a year
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ื•ืื– ื”ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืฉื ื”
17:40
going to long, tedious,
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ื‘ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืœืคื’ื™ืฉื•ืช ืืจื•ื›ื•ืช, ืžื™ื™ื’ืขื•ืช
17:42
boring meetings,
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ื•ืžืฉืขืžืžื•ืช
17:44
trying to sell this logo through
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ื‘ื ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืœื•ื’ื• ื”ื–ื”
17:46
to a huge corporation
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ืœืชืื’ื™ื“ ืขื ืงื™
17:48
to the point of tears.
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ืขื“ ืฉื›ืžืขื˜ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื™
17:50
I thought I was going to go crazy at the end of this year.
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืžื“ืช ืœื”ืฉืชื’ืข ื‘ืกื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ืื•ืชื” ืฉื ื”
17:52
We made idiotic presentations
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ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืคืจื–ื ื˜ืฆื™ื•ืช ืื“ื™ื•ื˜ื™ื•ืช
17:54
showing how the Citi logo made sense,
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ืฉื”ืจืื• ืืช ื”ื”ื’ื™ื•ืŸ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืœื•ื’ื•
17:56
and how it was really derived from an umbrella,
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ื•ืื™ืš ื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืฉืื•ื‘ ืžืžื˜ืจื™ื”
17:58
and we made animations of these things,
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ื•ืฆื™ื™ืจื ื• ืื ื™ืžืฆื™ื•ืช ืœื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
18:00
and we came back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
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ื•ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ืฉื•ื‘
18:03
And it was worth it, because they bought this thing,
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื•ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื ืงื ื• ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”
18:06
and it played out on such a grand scale,
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ืฆืœื™ื— ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื™ื•ืฆืืช ื“ื•ืคืŸ
18:08
and it's so internationally recognizable,
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ื•ื–ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ื‘ืจืžื” ื‘ื™ืŸ-ืœืื•ืžื™ืช
18:12
but for me it was actually a very, very depressing year.
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™ ื–ืืช ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžื“ื›ืืช
18:16
As a matter of fact, they actually never bought onto the logo
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื”ื ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ืœื•ื’ื•
18:18
until Fallon put it on
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ืขื“ ืฉืคืืœื•ืŸ ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื• ื‘ื•
18:20
its very good "Live Richly" campaign,
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ื‘ืงืžืคื™ื™ืŸ "ื—ื™ื™ ืžื•ืชืจื•ืช" ื”ืžืฆื•ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืœื”ื
18:22
and then everybody accepted it all over the world.
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ื•ืื– ื›ื•ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืขื•ืœื
18:26
So during this time I needed
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ืื– ื‘ืžืฉืš ืชืงื•ืคื” ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื–ืงื•ืงื”
18:28
some kind of counterbalance
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ืœืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืื™ื–ื•ืŸ
18:30
for this crazy, crazy existence
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ืœืงื™ื•ื ื”ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืฉื•ื’ืข ื”ื–ื”
18:32
of going to these long, idiotic meetings.
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ืฉืœ ืœืœื›ืช ืœื™ืฉื™ื‘ื•ืช ื”ืืจื•ื›ื•ืช ื”ืžื˜ื•ืคืฉื•ืช ื”ืืœื”
18:34
And I was up in my country house,
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ืคืจ ืฉืœื™
18:36
and for some reason, I began painting
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ื•ืžืื™ื–ื• ืกื™ื‘ื” ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœืฆื™ื™ืจ
18:38
these very big, very involved,
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ืžืคื•ืช ืžืื•ื“ ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช, ืžืื•ื“ ืžืงื™ืคื•ืช
18:41
laborious, complicated
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ืžืคื•ืจื›ื•ืช, ืžืกื•ื‘ื›ื•ืช
18:44
maps of the entire world,
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ืฉืœ ื”ืขื•ืœื ื›ื•ืœื•
18:46
and listing every place on the planet, and putting them in,
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ื•ืจืฉืžืชื™ ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ื•ื›ื‘, ื•ื”ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ืœืžืคื”
18:49
and misspelling them, and putting things in the wrong spot,
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ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื˜ืขื•ื™ื•ืช ืื™ื•ืช, ื•ืฉืžืชื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื‘ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื”ืœื ื ื›ื•ื ื™ื
18:51
and completely controlling the information,
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ื•ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืฉืœื˜ืชื™ ื‘ืื™ื ืคื•ืจืžืฆื™ื”
18:53
and going totally and completely nuts with it.
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ื•ื”ืฉืชื’ืขืชื™ ืขื ื–ื” ืœื’ืžืจื™
18:56
They would take me about six months initially,
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ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ืืจื›ื• ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืœืขืจืš
18:59
but then I started getting faster at it.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื–ืจื™ื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ
19:01
Here's the United States.
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ื”ื ื” ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช
19:03
Every single city of the United States is on here.
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ื›ืœ ืขื™ืจ ื•ืขื™ืจ ื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช ื ืžืฆืืช ืคื”
19:05
And it hung for about eight months
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืชืœื•ื™ ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื
19:07
at the Cooper-Hewitt, and people walked up to it,
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ื‘ืงื•ืคืจ-ื”ื™ื•ืื™ื˜, ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ื ื™ื’ืฉื• ืœื–ื”
19:10
and they would point to a part of the map
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ื•ื”ืฆื‘ื™ืขื• ืขืœ ืžืงื•ื ื‘ืžืคื”
19:12
and they'd say, "Oh, I've been here."
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ื•ืืžืจื• - ืื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืคื”
19:14
And, of course, they couldn't have been because it's in the wrong spot.
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ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื‘ืžืคื”
19:17
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
19:18
But what I liked about it was,
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ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื”ื‘ืชื™ ื‘ื–ื”
19:20
I was controlling my own idiotic information,
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ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืฉืœื˜ืชื™ ื‘ืื™ื ืคื•ืจืžืฆื™ื” ื”ื“ื‘ื™ืœื™ืช ืฉืœื™
19:23
and I was creating my own palette of information,
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ื•ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ืืช ืคืœื˜ืช ื”ืื™ื ืคื•ืจืžืฆื™ื” ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ืช ืฉืœื™
19:26
and I was totally and completely
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ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื–ืืช ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืžืฉื—ืง
19:28
at play.
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ื‘ืื•ืคื• ืžื•ื—ืœื˜ ื•ืžื•ืฉืœื
19:30
One of my favorites was
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ืื—ื“ ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื™ื ืขืœื™
19:32
this painting I did of Florida after the 2000 election
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ื”ื™ื” ืฆื™ื•ืจ ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืฉืœ ืคืœื•ืจื™ื“ื” ืื—ืจื™ ื”ื‘ื—ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืœ ืฉื ืช 2000
19:35
that has the election results rolling around in the water.
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ื•ืชื•ืฆืื•ืช ื”ื‘ื—ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืชื’ืœื’ืœื•ืช ืœื”ืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื™ื
19:39
I keep that for evidence.
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ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืจืช ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืขื“ื•ืช
19:41
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
19:42
Somebody
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื•
19:44
was up at my house and saw the paintings
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ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื™ ื•ืจืื” ืืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื
19:46
and recommended them to a gallery,
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ื•ื”ืžืœื™ืฅ ืขืœื™ื”ื ืœื’ืœืจื™ื”
19:48
and I had a first show
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ื•ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืชืขืจื•ื›ื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
19:50
about two-and-a-half years ago, and I showed these paintings
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ืœืคื ื™ ื‘ืขืจืš ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื•ื—ืฆื™, ื•ื”ืฆื’ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
19:53
that I'm showing you now.
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ืฉืื ื™ ืžืจืื” ืœื›ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•
19:56
And then a funny thing happened -- they sold.
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ื•ืื– ืงืจื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืžืฆื—ื™ืง - ื”ื ื ืžื›ืจื•
19:59
And they sold quickly,
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ื•ื”ื ื ืžื›ืจื• ืžื”ืจ
20:02
and became rather popular.
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ื•ื”ืคื›ื• ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื“ื™ ืคื•ืคื•ืœืืจื™ื™ื
20:05
We started making prints from them.
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ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžื”ื ื”ื“ืคืกื™ื
20:07
This is Manhattan, one from the series.
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ื–ื•ื”ื™ ืžื ื”ื˜ืŸ, ืื—ื“ ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืกื“ืจื”
20:11
This is a print from the United States which we did in red, white and blue.
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ื–ื”ื• ื”ื“ืคืก ืžืชื•ืš ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจ ืฉืœ ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื• ื‘ืื“ื•ื, ืœื‘ืŸ ื•ื›ื—ื•ืœ
20:14
We began doing these big silkscreen prints,
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ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื”ื“ืคืกื™ ืžืฉื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื
20:17
and they started selling, too.
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ื•ื”ื ื”ื—ืœื• ืœื”ื™ืžื›ืจ ื’ื
20:19
So, the gallery wanted me to have another show
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ืื–, ื”ื’ืœืจื™ื” ืจืฆืชื” ืฉืชื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืชืขืจื•ื›ื” ื ื•ืกืคืช
20:21
in two years,
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ืชื•ืš ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื
20:23
which meant that I really
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ืžื” ืฉืืžืจ ืฉืื ื™
20:26
had to paint these paintings
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืฆื™ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
20:28
much faster
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื”ืจ
20:30
than I had ever done them. And I --
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ืžืžื” ืฉืฆื™ื™ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื ืื™ ืคืขื. ื•ืื ื™
20:32
they started to become more political, and I picked areas
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ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืคื›ื• ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ื—ืจืชื™ ืื–ื•ืจื™ื
20:35
that sort of were in the news
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ืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื—ื“ืฉื•ืช
20:37
or that I had some feeling about,
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ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืชื—ื•ืฉื•ืช ืœื’ื‘ื™ื”ื
20:39
and I began doing these things.
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ื•ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
20:41
And then this funny thing happened.
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ื•ืื– ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืฆื—ื™ืง ืงืจื”
20:43
I found that I was no longer at play.
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ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืžืฉื—ืงืช
20:46
I was actually in this solemn landscape
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื ื•ืฃ ื›ื‘ื“ ืจืืฉ
20:49
of fulfilling an expectation
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ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืฉืžื” ื•ืฆื™ืคื™ื•ืช
20:51
for a show,
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ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืชืขืจื•ื›ื”,
20:53
which is not where I started with these things.
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ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื”ืžืงื•ื ื‘ื• ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืขื ื”ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”
20:55
So, while they became successful,
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ืื–, ื‘ืขื•ื“ ื”ื ื”ืฆืœื™ื—ื•
20:58
I know how to make them,
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ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืื™ืš ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื
21:00
so I'm not a neophyte,
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืœื ื˜ื™ืจื•ื ื™ืช
21:02
and they're no longer serious --
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ื•ื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื
21:04
they have become solemn.
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ื”ื ื”ืคื›ื• ืœื›ื‘ื“ื™ ืจืืฉ
21:07
And that's a terrifying factor --
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ื•ื–ื” ื’ื•ืจื ืžืคื—ื™ื“
21:10
when you start something and it turns that way --
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ื›ืฉืืช ืžืชื—ื™ืœื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื•ื”ื•ื ืคื•ื ื” ืœื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”
21:12
because it means that all that's left for you
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ื”ื™ื ืฉื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื ืฉืืจ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš
21:15
is to go back and to find out
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ื”ื•ื ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืื—ื•ืจ ื•ืœืžืฆื•ื
21:17
what the next thing is that you can push,
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ืžื”ื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื‘ื ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื“ื—ื•ืฃ
21:20
that you can invent, that you can be ignorant about,
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ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ืžืฆื™ื, ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื•ืจื” ื’ืžื•ืจื” ืœื’ื‘ื™ื•
21:23
that you can be arrogant about,
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ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ืชื ืฉื ืขืœื™ื•
21:25
that you can fail with,
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ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื›ืฉืœ ืื™ืชื•
21:27
and that you can be a fool with.
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ื•ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ืฉืชื˜ื•ืช ืื™ืชื•
21:29
Because in the end, that's how you grow,
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ื›ืš ืืช ื’ื“ืœื”
21:32
and that's all that matters.
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ื•ื–ื” ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืžืฉื ื”
21:34
So, I'm plugging along here --
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ืื–, ืื ื™ ืžืฉืชืจื›ืช ืœื™ ื›ืืŸ
21:36
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
21:39
and I'm just going to have to blow up the staircase.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืื”ื™ื” ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœืคื•ืฆืฅ ืืช ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช
21:41
Thank you very much.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืœื›ื
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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