Paula Scher: Great design is serious (not solemn)

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My work is play.
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And I play when I design.
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I even looked it up in the dictionary, to make sure
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that I actually do that,
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and the definition of play,
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number one, was engaging in a childlike
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activity or endeavor,
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and number two was gambling.
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And I realize I do both
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when I'm designing.
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I'm both a kid and I'm gambling all the time.
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And I think that if you're not,
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there's probably something inherently wrong
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with the structure or the situation you're in,
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if you're a designer.
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But the serious part is what threw me,
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and I couldn't quite get a handle
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on it until I remembered an essay.
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And it's an essay I read 30 years ago.
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It was written by Russell Baker,
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who used to write an "Observer" column in the New York Times.
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He's a wonderful humorist. And I'm going to read you
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this essay,
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or an excerpt from it
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because it really hit home for me.
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Here is a letter of friendly advice.
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Be serious, it says.
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What it means, of course, is, be solemn.
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Being solemn is easy.
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Being serious is hard.
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Children almost always begin by being serious,
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which is what makes them so entertaining
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when compared with adults as a class.
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Adults, on the whole, are solemn.
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In politics, the rare candidate who is serious,
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like Adlai Stevenson,
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is easily overwhelmed by one who is solemn, like Eisenhower.
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That's because it is hard for most people
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to recognize seriousness, which is rare,
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but more comfortable to endorse solemnity,
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which is commonplace.
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Jogging, which is commonplace,
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and widely accepted as good for you, is solemn.
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Poker is serious.
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Washington, D.C. is solemn.
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New York is serious.
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Going to educational conferences to tell you anything
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about the future is solemn.
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Taking a long walk by yourself,
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during which you devise a foolproof scheme for robbing Tiffany's,
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is serious.
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(Laughter)
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Now, when I apply Russell Baker's definition
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of solemnity or seriousness to design,
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it doesn't necessarily make any particular point about quality.
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Solemn design is often important and very effective design.
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Solemn design is also socially correct,
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and is accepted by appropriate audiences.
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It's what right-thinking designers
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and all the clients are striving for.
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Serious design, serious play,
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is something else.
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For one thing, it often happens
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spontaneously, intuitively,
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accidentally or incidentally.
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It can be achieved out of innocence, or arrogance,
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or out of selfishness, sometimes out of carelessness.
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But mostly, it's achieved through all those kind of crazy
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parts of human behavior that
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don't really make any sense.
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Serious design is imperfect.
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It's filled with the kind of craft laws that come from something being
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the first of its kind.
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Serious design is also -- often -- quite unsuccessful
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from the solemn point of view.
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That's because the art of serious play
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is about invention, change, rebellion -- not perfection.
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Perfection happens during solemn play.
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Now, I always saw design careers
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like surreal staircases.
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If you look at the staircase, you'll see
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that in your 20s the risers are very high
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and the steps are very short,
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and you make huge discoveries.
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You sort of leap up very quickly in your youth.
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That's because you don't know anything and you have a lot to learn,
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and so that anything you do is a learning experience
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and you're just jumping right up there.
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As you get older, the risers get shallower
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and the steps get wider,
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and you start moving along at a slower pace
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because you're making fewer discoveries.
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And as you get older and more decrepit,
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you sort of inch along on this
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sort of depressing, long staircase,
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leading you into oblivion.
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(Laughter)
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I find it's actually getting really hard to be serious.
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I'm hired to be solemn, but I find more and more
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that I'm solemn when I don't have to be.
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And in my 35 years of working experience,
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I think I was really serious four times.
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And I'm going to show them to you now,
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because they came out of very specific conditions.
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It's great to be a kid.
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Now, when I was in my early 20s,
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I worked in the record business, designing record covers for CBS Records,
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and I had no idea what a great job I had.
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I thought everybody had a job like that.
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And what --
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the way I looked at design and the way I looked at the world was,
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what was going on around me
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and the things that came at the time I walked into design
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were the enemy.
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I really, really, really hated
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the typeface Helvetica.
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I thought the typeface Helvetica
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was the cleanest, most boring, most fascistic,
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really repressive typeface,
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and I hated everything that was designed in Helvetica.
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And when I was in
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my college days,
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this was the sort of design
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that was fashionable and popular.
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This is actually quite a lovely book jacket by Rudy de Harak,
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but I just hated it, because it was designed with Helvetica,
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and I made parodies about it.
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I just thought it was, you know, completely boring.
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(Laughter)
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So -- so, my goal in life
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was to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica.
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And to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica
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was actually kind of hard because you had to find it.
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And there weren't a lot of books about the history of design
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in the early 70s. There weren't --
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there wasn't a plethora of design publishing.
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You actually had to go to antique stores. You had to go to Europe.
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You had to go places and find the stuff.
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And what I responded to was, you know,
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Art Nouveau, or deco,
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or Victorian typography,
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or things that were just completely not Helvetica.
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And I taught myself design this way,
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and this was sort of my early years,
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and I used these things
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in really goofy ways
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on record covers and in my design.
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I wasn't educated. I just sort of
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put these things together.
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I mixed up Victorian designs with pop,
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and I mixed up Art Nouveau with something else.
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And I made these very lush,
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very elaborate record covers,
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not because I was being a post-modernist or a historicist --
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because I didn't know what those things were.
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I just hated Helvetica.
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(Laughter)
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And that kind of passion
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drove me into very serious play,
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a kind of play I could never do now
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because I'm too well-educated.
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And there's something wonderful about
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that form of youth,
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where you can let yourself
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grow and play, and be
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really a brat, and then accomplish things.
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By the end of the '70s, actually,
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the stuff became known.
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I mean, these covers appeared all over the world,
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and they started winning awards,
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and people knew them.
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And I was suddenly a post-modernist,
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and I began a career as -- in my own business.
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And first I was praised for it, then criticized for it,
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but the fact of the matter was, I had become solemn.
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I didn't do what I think
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was a piece of serious work again for about 14 years.
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I spent most of the '80s being quite solemn,
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turning out these sorts of designs
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that I was expected to do
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because that's who I was,
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and I was living in this cycle of going from serious to solemn
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to hackneyed to dead, and getting rediscovered all over again.
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So, here was the second condition
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for which I think I accomplished some serious play.
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There's a Paul Newman movie
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that I love called "The Verdict."
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I don't know how many of you have seen it, but it's a beaut.
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And in the movie, he plays
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a down-and-out lawyer
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who's become an ambulance chaser.
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And he's taken on --
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he's given, actually -- a malpractice suit to handle
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that's sort of an easy deal,
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and in the midst of trying to connect the deal,
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he starts to empathize
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and identify with his client,
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and he regains his morality and purpose,
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and he goes on to win the case.
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And in the depth of despair,
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in the midst of the movie, when it looks like he can't pull this thing off,
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and he needs this case,
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he needs to win this case so badly.
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There's a shot of Paul Newman alone,
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in his office, saying,
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"This is the case. There are no other cases.
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This is the case. There are no other cases."
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And in that moment of
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desire and focus,
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he can win.
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And that is a wonderful
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position to be in to create some serious play.
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And I had that moment in 1994
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when I met a theater director
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named George Wolfe,
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who was going to have me design
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an identity for the New York Shakespeare Festival,
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then known,
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and then became the Public Theater.
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And I began getting immersed
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in this project
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in a way I never was before.
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This is what theater advertising looked like at that time.
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This is what was in the newspapers and in the New York Times.
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So, this is sort of a comment on the time.
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And the Public Theater actually had much better advertising than this.
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They had no logo and no identity,
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but they had these very iconic posters
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painted by Paul Davis.
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And George Wolf had taken over from another director
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and he wanted to change the theater,
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and he wanted to make it urban and loud
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and a place that was inclusive.
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So, drawing on my love of typography,
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I immersed myself into this project.
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And what was different about it was the totality of it,
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was that I really became the voice, the visual voice, of a place
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in a way I had never done before,
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where every aspect --
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the smallest ad, the ticket, whatever it was --
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was designed by me.
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There was no format.
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There was no in-house department that these things were pushed to.
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I literally for three years made everything --
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every scrap of paper, everything online,
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that this theater did.
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And it was the only job,
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even though I was doing other jobs.
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I lived and breathed it in a way I haven't
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with a client since.
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It enabled me to really express myself and grow.
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And I think that you know
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when you're going to be given this position,
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and it's rare, but when you get it and you have this opportunity,
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it's the moment of serious play.
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I did these things, and I still do them.
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I still work for the Public Theater.
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I'm on their board, and
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I still am involved with it.
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The high point of the Public Theater, I think, was in 1996,
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two years after I designed it,
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which was the "Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk" campaign
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that was all over New York.
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But something happened to it, and what happened to it was,
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it became very popular.
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And that is a kiss of death for something serious
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because it makes it solemn.
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And what happened was
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that New York City, to a degree,
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ate my identity
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because people began to copy it.
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Here's an ad in the New York Times
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somebody did for a play called "Mind Games."
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Then "Chicago" came out, used similar graphics,
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and the Public Theater's identity was just totally eaten and taken away,
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which meant I had to change it.
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So, I changed it so that every season was different,
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and I continued to do these posters,
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but they never had the seriousness
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of the first identity
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because they were too individual, and they didn't have that heft
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of everything being the same thing.
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Now -- and I think since the Public Theater,
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I must have done more than a dozen
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cultural identities for major institutions,
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and I don't think I ever -- I ever
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grasped that seriousness again --
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I do them for very big, important institutions
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in New York City.
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The institutions are solemn,
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and so is the design.
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They're better crafted than the Public Theater was,
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and they spend more money on them, but I think
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that that moment comes and goes.
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The best way to accomplish serious design --
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which I think we all have the opportunity to do --
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is to be totally and completely unqualified for the job.
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That doesn't happen very often,
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but it happened to me in the year 2000,
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when for some reason or another,
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a whole pile of different architects
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started to ask me to design
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the insides of theaters with them,
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where I would take environmental graphics and work them into buildings.
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I'd never done this kind of work before.
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I didn't know how to read an architectural plan,
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I didn't know what they were talking about,
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and I really couldn't handle the fact that a job --
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a single job -- could go on for four years
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because I was used to immediacy in graphic design,
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and that kind of attention to detail
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was really bad for somebody like me, with ADD.
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So, it was a rough -- it was a rough go,
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but I fell in love with this process
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of actually integrating graphics into architecture
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because I didn't know what I was doing.
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I said, "Why can't the signage be on the floor?"
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New Yorkers look at their feet.
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And then I found that actors and actresses
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actually take their cues from the floor,
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so it turned out that these sorts of sign systems
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began to make sense.
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They integrated with the building in really peculiar ways.
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They ran around corners,
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they went up sides of buildings,
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and they melded into the architecture.
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This is Symphony Space on 90th Street and Broadway,
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and the type is interwoven into the stainless steel
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and backlit with fiber optics.
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And the architect, Jim Polshek,
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essentially gave me a canvas
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to play typography out on.
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And it was serious play.
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This is the children's museum in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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made out of completely inexpensive materials.
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Extruded typography that's backlit with neon.
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Things I never did before, built before.
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I just thought they'd be kind of fun to do.
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Donors' walls made out of Lucite.
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And then, inexpensive signage.
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(Laughter)
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I think my favorite of these
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was this little job in Newark, New Jersey.
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It's a performing arts school.
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This is the building that -- they had no money,
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and they had to recast it, and they said,
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if we give you 100,000 dollars, what can you do with it?
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And I did a little Photoshop job on it, and I said,
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Well, I think we can paint it.
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And we did. And it was play.
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And there's the building. Everything was painted --
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typography over the whole damn thing,
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including the air conditioning ducts.
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I hired guys who paint flats
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fixed on the sides of garages
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to do the painting on the building, and they loved it.
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They got into it -- they took the job incredibly seriously.
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They used to climb up on the building and call me
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and tell me that they had to correct my typography --
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that my spacing was wrong, and they moved it,
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and they did wonderful things with it.
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They were pretty serious, too. It was quite wonderful.
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By the time I did Bloomberg's headquarters
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my work had begun to become accepted.
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People wanted it in big, expensive places.
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And that began to make it solemn.
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Bloomberg was all about numbers,
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and we did big numbers through the space
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and the numbers were projected on a spectacular LED
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that my partner, Lisa Strausfeld, programmed.
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But it became the end
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of the seriousness of the play,
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and it started to, once again, become solemn.
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This is a current project
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in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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where I got to be goofy.
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I was invited to design
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a logo for this neighborhood, called the North Side,
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and I thought it was silly for a neighborhood to have a logo.
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I think that's rather creepy, actually. Why would a neighborhood have a logo?
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A neighborhood has a thing -- it's got a landmark, it's got a place,
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it's got a restaurant. It doesn't have a logo. I mean, what would that be?
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So I had to actually give a presentation
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to a city council
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and neighborhood constituents,
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and I went to Pittsburgh and I said,
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"You know, really what you have here
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are all these underpasses
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that separate the neighborhood from the center of town.
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Why don't you celebrate them, and make the underpasses landmarks?"
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So I began doing this crazy presentation
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of these installations --
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potential installations -- on
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these underpass bridges,
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and stood up in front of the city council --
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and was a little bit scared,
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I have to admit.
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But I was so utterly unqualified for this project,
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and so utterly ridiculous,
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and ignored the brief so desperately
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that I think they just embraced it with wholeheartedness,
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just completely because it was so goofy to begin with.
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And this is the bridge they're actually
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painting up and preparing as we speak.
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It will change every six months, and it will become an art installation
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in the North Side of Pittsburgh,
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and it will probably become a landmark in the area.
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John Hockenberry told you a bit about
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my travail with Citibank,
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that is now a 10-year relationship, and I still work with them.
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And I actually am amused by them and like them,
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and think that as a very, very, very, very, very big corporation
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they actually keep their graphics very nice.
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I drew the logo for Citibank
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on a napkin in the first meeting.
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That was the play part of the job.
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And then I spent a year
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going to long, tedious,
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boring meetings,
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trying to sell this logo through
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to a huge corporation
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to the point of tears.
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I thought I was going to go crazy at the end of this year.
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We made idiotic presentations
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showing how the Citi logo made sense,
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and how it was really derived from an umbrella,
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and we made animations of these things,
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and we came back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
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And it was worth it, because they bought this thing,
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and it played out on such a grand scale,
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and it's so internationally recognizable,
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but for me it was actually a very, very depressing year.
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As a matter of fact, they actually never bought onto the logo
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until Fallon put it on
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its very good "Live Richly" campaign,
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and then everybody accepted it all over the world.
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So during this time I needed
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some kind of counterbalance
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for this crazy, crazy existence
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of going to these long, idiotic meetings.
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And I was up in my country house,
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and for some reason, I began painting
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these very big, very involved,
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laborious, complicated
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maps of the entire world,
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and listing every place on the planet, and putting them in,
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and misspelling them, and putting things in the wrong spot,
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and completely controlling the information,
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and going totally and completely nuts with it.
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They would take me about six months initially,
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but then I started getting faster at it.
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Here's the United States.
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Every single city of the United States is on here.
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And it hung for about eight months
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at the Cooper-Hewitt, and people walked up to it,
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and they would point to a part of the map
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and they'd say, "Oh, I've been here."
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And, of course, they couldn't have been because it's in the wrong spot.
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(Laughter)
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But what I liked about it was,
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I was controlling my own idiotic information,
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and I was creating my own palette of information,
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and I was totally and completely
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at play.
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One of my favorites was
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this painting I did of Florida after the 2000 election
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that has the election results rolling around in the water.
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I keep that for evidence.
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(Laughter)
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Somebody
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was up at my house and saw the paintings
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and recommended them to a gallery,
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and I had a first show
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about two-and-a-half years ago, and I showed these paintings
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that I'm showing you now.
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And then a funny thing happened -- they sold.
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And they sold quickly,
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and became rather popular.
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We started making prints from them.
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This is Manhattan, one from the series.
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This is a print from the United States which we did in red, white and blue.
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We began doing these big silkscreen prints,
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and they started selling, too.
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So, the gallery wanted me to have another show
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in two years,
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which meant that I really
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had to paint these paintings
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much faster
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than I had ever done them. And I --
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they started to become more political, and I picked areas
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that sort of were in the news
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or that I had some feeling about,
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and I began doing these things.
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And then this funny thing happened.
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I found that I was no longer at play.
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I was actually in this solemn landscape
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of fulfilling an expectation
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for a show,
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which is not where I started with these things.
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So, while they became successful,
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I know how to make them,
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so I'm not a neophyte,
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and they're no longer serious --
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they have become solemn.
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And that's a terrifying factor --
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when you start something and it turns that way --
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because it means that all that's left for you
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is to go back and to find out
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what the next thing is that you can push,
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that you can invent, that you can be ignorant about,
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that you can be arrogant about,
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that you can fail with,
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and that you can be a fool with.
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Because in the end, that's how you grow,
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and that's all that matters.
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So, I'm plugging along here --
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(Laughter)
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and I'm just going to have to blow up the staircase.
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Thank you very much.
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