Paula Scher: Great design is serious (not solemn)

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Mihye Lee ๊ฒ€ํ† : Seo Rim Kim
00:16
My work is play.
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์ œ ์ผ์€ ๋†€์ด ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:18
And I play when I design.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋””์ž์ธํ•  ๋•Œ ๋†‰๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:20
I even looked it up in the dictionary, to make sure
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ์ „์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:22
that I actually do that,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•ด๋ดค์ฃ .
00:24
and the definition of play,
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"play (๋†€๋‹ค)"์˜ ์‚ฌ์ „์  ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š”
00:26
number one, was engaging in a childlike
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๊ฐ™์€
00:28
activity or endeavor,
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ํ–‰๋™์ด๋‚˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ
00:30
and number two was gambling.
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋„๋ฐ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:33
And I realize I do both
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์ €๋Š” ๋””์ž์ธ ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‘๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜๋ฏธ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ
00:35
when I'm designing.
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ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:37
I'm both a kid and I'm gambling all the time.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์•„์ด ๊ฐ™๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„๋ฐ•๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
And I think that if you're not,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด,
00:42
there's probably something inherently wrong
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์†ํ•ด์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋‚˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—
00:44
with the structure or the situation you're in,
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์„ ์ฒœ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:46
if you're a designer.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:48
But the serious part is what threw me,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์ ˆ ๋˜์ ธ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:50
and I couldn't quite get a handle
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๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ดํ•ดํ• ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:54
on it until I remembered an essay.
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์–ด๋–ค ์—์„ธ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด๋‚ด๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
00:57
And it's an essay I read 30 years ago.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ 30๋…„์ „์— ์ฝ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ธ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:00
It was written by Russell Baker,
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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋Ÿฌ์…€ ๋ฒ ์ด์ปค์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ,
01:02
who used to write an "Observer" column in the New York Times.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‰ด์š•ํƒ€์ž„์ฆˆ์— "๊ด€์ฐฐ์ž" ์นผ๋Ÿผ์„ ์“ฐ๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์ฃ .
01:05
He's a wonderful humorist. And I'm going to read you
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์œ ๋จธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
01:07
this essay,
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์ด ๊ธ€์„ ์ฝ์–ด๋“œ๋ฆด๊ฒŒ์š”.
01:09
or an excerpt from it
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๋ฐœ์ทŒ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:11
because it really hit home for me.
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์ €๋ฅผ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ฐ๋ช…์‹œ์ผฐ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
01:14
Here is a letter of friendly advice.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
Be serious, it says.
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์ง„์ง€ํ•ด์ง€์„ธ์š”.
01:19
What it means, of course, is, be solemn.
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด๋‚˜๋ฉด, ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ, ์—„์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๋ผ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
01:22
Being solemn is easy.
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•จ์€ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:24
Being serious is hard.
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์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์€ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:27
Children almost always begin by being serious,
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์–ด๋ฆฐ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
which is what makes them so entertaining
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์œ ์พŒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์š”.
01:31
when compared with adults as a class.
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์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค์— ๋น„๊ตํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:34
Adults, on the whole, are solemn.
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๊ทธ์— ๋น„ํ•ด ์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:36
In politics, the rare candidate who is serious,
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์ •์น˜์—์„œ๋„, ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ํ›„๋ณด์ž๋Š” ๋“œ๋ญ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:39
like Adlai Stevenson,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์• ๋“œ๋ผ์ด ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ์Šจ์€
01:41
is easily overwhelmed by one who is solemn, like Eisenhower.
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์•„์ด์  ํ•˜์šฐ์–ด ๊ฐ™์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ์˜ํ•ด ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ œ์••๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
That's because it is hard for most people
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๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
01:46
to recognize seriousness, which is rare,
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๋ณด๊ธฐ ๋“œ๋ฌธ ์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์„ ์‰ฝ์‚ฌ๋ฆฌ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:49
but more comfortable to endorse solemnity,
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์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•จ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—
01:51
which is commonplace.
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์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:54
Jogging, which is commonplace,
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ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
01:56
and widely accepted as good for you, is solemn.
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ํ”ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ๊น…์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
Poker is serious.
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ํฌ์ปค๋Š” ์ง„์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
Washington, D.C. is solemn.
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์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด DC๋Š” ์—„์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
New York is serious.
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๋‰ด์š•์€ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ ์š”.
02:06
Going to educational conferences to tell you anything
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๊ต์œก ํšŒ์˜์— ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
02:08
about the future is solemn.
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
Taking a long walk by yourself,
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ํ™€๋กœ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
02:13
during which you devise a foolproof scheme for robbing Tiffany's,
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ํ‹ฐํŒŒ๋‹ˆ ๋งค์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋„์งˆ ์Œ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋ฆฌ์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
02:16
is serious.
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์ง„์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:18
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:19
Now, when I apply Russell Baker's definition
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์ž, ์ด์ œ ๋Ÿฌ์…€ ๋ฒ ์ด์ปค์˜ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•จ์ด๋‚˜ ์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์˜
02:21
of solemnity or seriousness to design,
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์ •์˜๋ฅผ ๋””์ž์ธ์— ์ ์šฉํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด,
02:23
it doesn't necessarily make any particular point about quality.
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์งˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŠน์ด์ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
Solemn design is often important and very effective design.
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ์€ ์ข…์ข… ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ๋””์ž์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:29
Solemn design is also socially correct,
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ณ ์š”,
02:32
and is accepted by appropriate audiences.
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์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ฒญ์ค‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:34
It's what right-thinking designers
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‹ ๋…์˜ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋“ค๊ณผ
02:37
and all the clients are striving for.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:39
Serious design, serious play,
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์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ, ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด๋Š”
02:41
is something else.
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๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:43
For one thing, it often happens
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ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข…์ข…
02:45
spontaneously, intuitively,
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์ถฉ๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์ง๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ,
02:48
accidentally or incidentally.
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์‚ฌ๊ณ ์— ์˜ํ•ด, ํ˜น์€ ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:50
It can be achieved out of innocence, or arrogance,
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์ˆœ์ง„ํ•จ์ด๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋งŒํ•จ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์–ป์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:52
or out of selfishness, sometimes out of carelessness.
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ํ˜น์€ ์ด๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ถ€์ฃผ์˜ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์ฃ .
02:55
But mostly, it's achieved through all those kind of crazy
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
02:59
parts of human behavior that
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์Šต์„ฑ์˜
03:01
don't really make any sense.
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๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:03
Serious design is imperfect.
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์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ์€ ๋ถˆ์™„์ „ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
It's filled with the kind of craft laws that come from something being
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์—ฌ๋А ๋…์ฐฝ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ๊ทœ๋ฒ”๋“ค๋กœ
03:07
the first of its kind.
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๊ฐ€๋“์ฐจ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:09
Serious design is also -- often -- quite unsuccessful
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์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ, ์‹คํŒจํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
from the solemn point of view.
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ์‹œ์„ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ดค์„ ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
03:14
That's because the art of serious play
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€
03:16
is about invention, change, rebellion -- not perfection.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•จ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์ฐฝ์กฐ, ๋ณ€ํ™”, ๋ฐ˜๋ž€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:19
Perfection happens during solemn play.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•จ์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ๋†€์ด์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
Now, I always saw design careers
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์ €๋Š” ๋””์ž์ธ ์ปค๋ฆฌ์–ด๋ฅผ
03:25
like surreal staircases.
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์ดˆํ˜„์‹ค์  ๊ณ„๋‹จ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:28
If you look at the staircase, you'll see
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๊ณ„๋‹จ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ 20๋Œ€ ๋•Œ๋Š”
03:31
that in your 20s the risers are very high
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๋†’์ด๊ฐ€ ๋†’๊ณ 
03:34
and the steps are very short,
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ํญ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ข์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
and you make huge discoveries.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌ๋“ค์„ ํ•˜์ฃ .
03:39
You sort of leap up very quickly in your youth.
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์ Š์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋น ๋ฅธ ์†๋„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด ์˜ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
That's because you don't know anything and you have a lot to learn,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
03:44
and so that anything you do is a learning experience
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
and you're just jumping right up there.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์œ„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:49
As you get older, the risers get shallower
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๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค ์ˆ˜๋ก, ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง€๊ณ 
03:51
and the steps get wider,
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ํญ์€ ๋„“์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
and you start moving along at a slower pace
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค์†Œ ๋А๋ ค์ง„ ์†๋„๋กœ ์›€์ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:56
because you're making fewer discoveries.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
And as you get older and more decrepit,
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๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋จน๊ณ  ๋…ธ์‡ ํ•ด์ง€๋ฉด,
04:00
you sort of inch along on this
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ง๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋„๋Š”
04:02
sort of depressing, long staircase,
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์ด ์นจ์šธํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธด ๊ณ„๋‹จ์„
04:04
leading you into oblivion.
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๋งค์šฐ ๋А๋ฆฐ ์†๋„๋กœ ๊ธฐ์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:08
I find it's actually getting really hard to be serious.
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์ €๋Š” ์ง„์ง€ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ ์  ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:13
I'm hired to be solemn, but I find more and more
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ณ ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์—„์ˆ™ํ•  ํ•„์š” ์—†๋Š” ๋•Œ ๋งˆ์ €
04:16
that I'm solemn when I don't have to be.
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์—„์ˆ™ํ•ด์ €๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‚ ๋“ค์ด ๋Š˜์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:18
And in my 35 years of working experience,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €์˜ 35๋…„๊ฐ„์˜ ์‹ค๋ฌด ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋™์•ˆ
04:21
I think I was really serious four times.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„์ง€ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ 4๋ฒˆ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:24
And I'm going to show them to you now,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ทธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:26
because they came out of very specific conditions.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
04:29
It's great to be a kid.
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์•„์ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:31
Now, when I was in my early 20s,
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์ œ 20๋Œ€์—๋Š” ์Œ๋ฐ˜ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:34
I worked in the record business, designing record covers for CBS Records,
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CBS ๋ ˆ์ฝ”๋“œ์˜ ์Œ๋ฐ˜ ํ‘œ์ง€๋“ค์„ ๋””์ž์ธ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:37
and I had no idea what a great job I had.
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:39
I thought everybody had a job like that.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
04:42
And what --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ -
04:44
the way I looked at design and the way I looked at the world was,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋””์ž์ธ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€
04:47
what was going on around me
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์ œ ์ฃผ์œ„์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค๊ณผ
04:49
and the things that came at the time I walked into design
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋””์ž์ธ์— ๋ฐœ์„ ๋”›๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์— ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด
04:51
were the enemy.
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์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:53
I really, really, really hated
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์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง
04:55
the typeface Helvetica.
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ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด ์„œ์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ฆ์˜คํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:57
I thought the typeface Helvetica
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์ €๋Š” ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊นจ๋—ํ•˜๊ณ ,
05:00
was the cleanest, most boring, most fascistic,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋…์žฌ์ ์ด๊ณ 
05:03
really repressive typeface,
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์–ต์••์ ์ธ ์„œ์ฒด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:06
and I hated everything that was designed in Helvetica.
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ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๋กœ ๋””์ž์ธ๋œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค ์ฆ์˜คํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:08
And when I was in
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€
05:10
my college days,
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์‹œ์ ˆ์—๋Š”,
05:12
this was the sort of design
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋””์ž์ธ์ด
05:14
that was fashionable and popular.
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์œ ํ–‰ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•˜์–ด์š”.
05:16
This is actually quite a lovely book jacket by Rudy de Harak,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฃจ๋”” ๋“œ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ฐ€ ๋””์ž์ธํ•œ ๊ฝค ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ฑ… ํ‘œ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:19
but I just hated it, because it was designed with Helvetica,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฐธ ์‹ซ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๋กœ ๋””์ž์ธ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
05:22
and I made parodies about it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํŒจ๋Ÿฌ๋””๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณด์•˜์–ด์š”,
05:24
I just thought it was, you know, completely boring.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:29
So -- so, my goal in life
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์ œ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š”
05:31
was to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica.
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ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ž‘์—…๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:35
And to do stuff that wasn't made out of Helvetica
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
05:37
was actually kind of hard because you had to find it.
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๊ฝค ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
05:40
And there weren't a lot of books about the history of design
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  70๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜์—๋Š” ๋””์ž์ธ์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฑ…๋“ค์ด
05:43
in the early 70s. There weren't --
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:45
there wasn't a plethora of design publishing.
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๊ณผ์ž‰ ๋””์ž์ธ ์ถœํŒ์€ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
05:47
You actually had to go to antique stores. You had to go to Europe.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ—Œ์ฑ…๋ฐฉ์— ๊ฐ€์•ผํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์— ๊ฐ€์•ผํ–ˆ์ฃ .
05:49
You had to go places and find the stuff.
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์žฅ์†Œ๋“ค์— ๊ฐ€์•ผ๋งŒ ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ฑ…๋“ค์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:52
And what I responded to was, you know,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€
05:54
Art Nouveau, or deco,
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์•„๋ฅด๋ˆ„๋ณด, ํ˜น์€ ์•„๋ฅด๋ฐ์ฝ”,
05:57
or Victorian typography,
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ํ˜น์€ ๋น…ํ† ๋ฆฌ์•ˆ ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผ
05:59
or things that were just completely not Helvetica.
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ํ˜น์€ ๋ญ๋“  ์ „ํ˜€ ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:03
And I taught myself design this way,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋ฐฉ์‹์˜ ๋””์ž์ธ์„ ๋…ํ•™ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:06
and this was sort of my early years,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ Š์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์˜€๊ณ 
06:08
and I used these things
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
06:10
in really goofy ways
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์Œ๋ฐ˜ ํ‘œ์ง€์™€ ์ œ ๋””์ž์ธ์—
06:12
on record covers and in my design.
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๋ณ„๋‚œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:14
I wasn't educated. I just sort of
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์ €๋Š” ๊ต์œก๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์—ˆ์ฃ . ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ
06:16
put these things together.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์กฐํ•ฉํ•ด๋ณธ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:18
I mixed up Victorian designs with pop,
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๋น…ํ† ๋ฆฌ์•ˆ ๋””์ž์ธ์„ ํŒ๊ณผ ์„ž์–ด๋ณด๊ณ ,
06:20
and I mixed up Art Nouveau with something else.
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์•„๋ฅด๋ˆ„๋ณด์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์„ž์–ด๋ณด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
And I made these very lush,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด ํ’๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ 
06:25
very elaborate record covers,
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๊ณต๋“ค์—ฌ์ง„ ์Œ๋ฐ˜ ํ‘œ์ง€๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒˆ์–ด์š”.
06:28
not because I was being a post-modernist or a historicist --
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ชจ๋”๋‹ˆ์ŠคํŠธ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌํ•™ํŒŒ๋ผ์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:31
because I didn't know what those things were.
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋ญ”์ง€๋„ ์ž˜ ๋ชฐ๋ž๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
06:33
I just hated Helvetica.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ํ—ฌ๋ฒ ํ‹ฐ์นด๋ฅผ ์‹ซ์–ดํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:35
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:36
And that kind of passion
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์—ด์ •์ด
06:39
drove me into very serious play,
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์ €๋ฅผ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด๋กœ ์ด๋Œ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:41
a kind of play I could never do now
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๊ณผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ต์œก์„ ์ž˜ ๋ฐ›์€ ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ์ €๋กœ์„œ๋Š”
06:44
because I'm too well-educated.
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์ ˆ๋Œ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๋†€์ด์ฃ .
06:46
And there's something wonderful about
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์ Š์Œ์—๋Š”
06:49
that form of youth,
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๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:51
where you can let yourself
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๋†€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋†”๋‘๊ณ 
06:54
grow and play, and be
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์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ผฌ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
06:56
really a brat, and then accomplish things.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋„ ์„ฑ์ทจํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:59
By the end of the '70s, actually,
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70๋…„๋Œ€ ํ›„๋ฐ˜์ด ๋˜์–ด
07:01
the stuff became known.
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์ด ์ž‘์—…๋“ค์ด ๋ช…์„ฑ์„ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:03
I mean, these covers appeared all over the world,
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์Œ๋ฐ˜ ํ‘œ์ง€๋“ค์ด ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€๊ณ 
07:05
and they started winning awards,
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๊ฐ์ข… ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ 
07:07
and people knew them.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
07:09
And I was suddenly a post-modernist,
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์–ด๋А ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์ €๋Š” ํฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ชจ๋”๋‹ˆ์ŠคํŠธ์˜€๊ณ ,
07:12
and I began a career as -- in my own business.
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๊ฐœ์ธ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:15
And first I was praised for it, then criticized for it,
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์นญ์ฐฌ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€, ํ›„์—๋Š” ํ˜นํ‰์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋žฌ์ฃ .
07:18
but the fact of the matter was, I had become solemn.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•ด์ ธ ๋ฒ„๋ ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:21
I didn't do what I think
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
07:23
was a piece of serious work again for about 14 years.
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๊ทธ ์ดํ›„ 14๋…„๊ฐ„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:27
I spent most of the '80s being quite solemn,
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์ €๋Š” 80๋…„๋Œ€์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:29
turning out these sorts of designs
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ์š”๊ตฌ๋œ ๋””์ž์ธ๋“ค์„
07:31
that I was expected to do
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ํ•ด๋‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:33
because that's who I was,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €์˜€๊ณ ,
07:35
and I was living in this cycle of going from serious to solemn
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์ €๋Š” ์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์—์„œ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ๊ฐ„ ์ƒํƒœ๋กœ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
07:38
to hackneyed to dead, and getting rediscovered all over again.
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์ฃฝ๋„๋ก ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•จ์ด ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ์žฌ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํƒœ์˜€์ฃ .
07:43
So, here was the second condition
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด๋ฅผ ์„ฑ์ทจํ–ˆ๋˜
07:45
for which I think I accomplished some serious play.
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:50
There's a Paul Newman movie
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ํด ๋‰ด๋จผ์˜ ์˜ํ™” ์ค‘์—
07:52
that I love called "The Verdict."
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” "ํ‰๊ฒฐ"์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์˜ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:54
I don't know how many of you have seen it, but it's a beaut.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„์ด๋‚˜ ๋ณด์…จ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์ตœ๊ณ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
And in the movie, he plays
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์˜ํ™” ์•ˆ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š”
07:59
a down-and-out lawyer
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๋ชฐ๋ฝํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ ์—ญํ• ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
who's become an ambulance chaser.
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๊ตํ†ต์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋กœ ๋ˆ๋ฒŒ์ดํ•˜๋Š” ์•…๋ž„ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ฃ .
08:03
And he's taken on --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š”
08:05
he's given, actually -- a malpractice suit to handle
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์˜๋ฃŒ๊ณผ์‹ค ๊ฑด์ด ์ฃผ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:08
that's sort of an easy deal,
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๋‹ค์†Œ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฑด์ˆ˜์˜€์ฃ .
08:10
and in the midst of trying to connect the deal,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ
08:12
he starts to empathize
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฐ์ •์ด์ž…์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ
08:14
and identify with his client,
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๋ขฐ์ธ์„ ๋™์ •ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
and he regains his morality and purpose,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์˜ ๋„๋•์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋ชฉ์ ์„ ํšŒ๋ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:19
and he goes on to win the case.
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์—์„œ ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:21
And in the depth of despair,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ ˆ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ์žฅ๋ฉด์—์„œ,
08:24
in the midst of the movie, when it looks like he can't pull this thing off,
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์˜ํ™” ์ค‘๋ฐ˜๋ถ€์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋‚œ๊ด€์— ๋ด‰์ฐฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
and he needs this case,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด๋„ ์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœํ•˜๊ณ 
08:30
he needs to win this case so badly.
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์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์žฅ๋ฉด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:32
There's a shot of Paul Newman alone,
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ ํด ๋‰ด๋จผ์˜ ๋‹จ๋…์ƒท์ด ์žกํžˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
08:35
in his office, saying,
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๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:38
"This is the case. There are no other cases.
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"๋‹จ์ง€ ์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด ๋ฐ–์— ์—†์–ด. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์€ ์—†๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
08:41
This is the case. There are no other cases."
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"๋‹จ์ง€ ์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด ๋ฐ–์— ์—†์–ด. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์€ ์—†๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ."
08:44
And in that moment of
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„
08:46
desire and focus,
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๊ทธ ์—ด๋ง๊ณผ ์ง‘์ค‘์„ ํ†ตํ•ด
08:48
he can win.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
And that is a wonderful
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ทน์˜ ์ฐฝ์กฐ์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
08:52
position to be in to create some serious play.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์œ„์น˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:56
And I had that moment in 1994
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ์กฐ์ง€ ์šธํ”„๋ผ๋Š”
08:59
when I met a theater director
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๊ฐ๋…์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์„๋•Œ ์ธ
09:01
named George Wolfe,
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1994๋…„์— ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:03
who was going to have me design
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋‰ด์š• ์„ธ์ต์Šคํ”ผ์–ด ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฐœ
09:05
an identity for the New York Shakespeare Festival,
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์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋ดํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ ๋””์ž์ธ์„
09:08
then known,
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๋งก๊ธฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์•Œ๋ ค์กŒ๊ณ ,
09:10
and then became the Public Theater.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—” ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ (๊ทน์žฅ)์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:12
And I began getting immersed
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์ „ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์—
09:14
in this project
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์˜ˆ์ „์— ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ
09:16
in a way I never was before.
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๋ชฐ๋‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:18
This is what theater advertising looked like at that time.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ๊ทน์žฅ ๊ด‘๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋– ํ–ˆ๋‚˜ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:21
This is what was in the newspapers and in the New York Times.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ ๋ฌธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‰ด์š• ํƒ€์ž„์ฆˆ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
So, this is sort of a comment on the time.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๋Œ€์˜ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋…ผํ‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
And the Public Theater actually had much better advertising than this.
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ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ด๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚˜์€ ๊ด‘๊ณ ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:30
They had no logo and no identity,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋กœ๊ณ ๋„ ์—†๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋ดํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
09:32
but they had these very iconic posters
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ํด ๋ฐ์ด๋น„์Šค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ
09:35
painted by Paul Davis.
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์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์ƒ์ ์ธ ํฌ์Šคํ„ฐ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
And George Wolf had taken over from another director
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์กฐ์ง€ ์šธํ”„๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋””๋ ‰ํ„ฐ๋กœ๋ถ€๋„ˆ ์ธ๊ณ„๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ 
09:40
and he wanted to change the theater,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทน์žฅ์„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:42
and he wanted to make it urban and loud
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋„์‹œ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฝ๊ณ 
09:44
and a place that was inclusive.
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ํฌ๊ด„์ ์ธ ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธธ ์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:47
So, drawing on my love of typography,
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์ œ ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์—์˜ ๋„์›€์œผ๋กœ,
09:50
I immersed myself into this project.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ๋ชฐ๋‘ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:53
And what was different about it was the totality of it,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ „์ฒด์„ฑ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
09:57
was that I really became the voice, the visual voice, of a place
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ•œ ์žฅ์†Œ์˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ์  ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:01
in a way I had never done before,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ „์— ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ํ•ด๋ณธ์ ์ด์—†๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ์˜€์ฃ ,
10:03
where every aspect --
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๊ทธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€,
10:05
the smallest ad, the ticket, whatever it was --
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž‘์€ ๊ด‘๊ณ , ํ‹ฐ์ผ“, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“ ๊ฐ„์—
10:07
was designed by me.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ์ €์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋””์ž์ธ๋˜์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:09
There was no format.
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์•„๋ฌด ํ˜•์‹๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:11
There was no in-house department that these things were pushed to.
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ•์š”ํ•˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด ์‚ฌ๋‚ด ๋ถ€์„œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:14
I literally for three years made everything --
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์ „ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ 3๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:16
every scrap of paper, everything online,
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--์ด ๊ทน์žฅ์ด ํ–ˆ๋˜
10:19
that this theater did.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…์ด ์กฐ๊ฐ, ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„์š”..
10:21
And it was the only job,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž‘์—…๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธด ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
10:23
even though I was doing other jobs.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:25
I lived and breathed it in a way I haven't
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ›„๋กœ๋Š” ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜
10:27
with a client since.
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๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์ˆจ์‰ฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:29
It enabled me to really express myself and grow.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ํ‘œํ˜„์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:33
And I think that you know
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ง์žฅ์ด ์ฃผ์–ด์ง€๊ฒŒ
10:35
when you're going to be given this position,
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๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์•„์‹ค ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:37
and it's rare, but when you get it and you have this opportunity,
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๋“œ๋ฌผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜์ง„๋งŒ, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๋•Œ
10:41
it's the moment of serious play.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด์˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:43
I did these things, and I still do them.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:46
I still work for the Public Theater.
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆฌ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:48
I'm on their board, and
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์ „ ๊ทธ ํšŒ์›์ด๋ฉฐ,
10:50
I still am involved with it.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ ๊ทน์žฅ์— ๊ด€๊ณ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:53
The high point of the Public Theater, I think, was in 1996,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์‹œ์ ์€ 1996๋…„ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
10:56
two years after I designed it,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ธŒ๋ง์ธ ๋” ๋…ธ์ด์ฆˆ, ๋ธŒ๋ง์ธ๋” ํŽ‘ํฌ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์„
10:58
which was the "Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk" campaign
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๋””์ž์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ 2๋…„ ํ›„์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
11:01
that was all over New York.
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์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์€ ๋‰ด์š• ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:03
But something happened to it, and what happened to it was,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์–ด๋–ค์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€,
11:06
it became very popular.
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๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์กŒ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:08
And that is a kiss of death for something serious
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž์‚ดํ–‰์œ„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:11
because it makes it solemn.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
11:14
And what happened was
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์–ด๋–ค์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋ƒ๋ฉด,
11:16
that New York City, to a degree,
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๋‰ด์š•์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋А์ •๋„
11:18
ate my identity
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์ €์˜ ์•„์ด๋ดํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ๋จน์–ด์น˜์› ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:21
because people began to copy it.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฒ ๋ผ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
11:24
Here's an ad in the New York Times
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‰ด์š•ํƒ€์ž„์ฆˆ์— ์‹ค๋ฆฐ ๊ด‘๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
11:26
somebody did for a play called "Mind Games."
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ '๋งˆ์ธ๋“œ๊ฒŒ์ž„' ์ด๋ž€ ์—ฐ๊ทน์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•œ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:30
Then "Chicago" came out, used similar graphics,
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ ์‹œ์นด๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์™”๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ๋“ค์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
11:33
and the Public Theater's identity was just totally eaten and taken away,
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ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ์˜ ์•„์ด๋ดํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋จนํ˜€๋ฒ„๋ ธ๊ณ , ์—†์–ด์ ธ๋ฒ„๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,ยฅ
11:36
which meant I had to change it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
11:39
So, I changed it so that every season was different,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์ „ ๋งค ์‹œ์ฆŒ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋„๋ก ๋ฐ”๊พธ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:42
and I continued to do these posters,
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์ „ ์ด ํฌ์Šคํ„ฐ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:44
but they never had the seriousness
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์ตœ์ดˆ ๋…์ž์„ฑ์˜
11:46
of the first identity
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์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ง„ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:48
because they were too individual, and they didn't have that heft
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์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
11:51
of everything being the same thing.
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๊ฐ™์€ ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์ค‘์—์„œ์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:54
Now -- and I think since the Public Theater,
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ํผ๋ธ”๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ ์ด๋ž˜,
11:57
I must have done more than a dozen
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์ฃผ์š”ํ•œ ํ˜‘ํšŒ์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์•„์ด๋ดํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ
11:59
cultural identities for major institutions,
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ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Šค ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:02
and I don't think I ever -- I ever
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ
12:04
grasped that seriousness again --
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์›€์ผœ์žก์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:06
I do them for very big, important institutions
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์ €๋Š” ๋‰ด์š•์‹œ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
12:08
in New York City.
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๋งค์šฐ ํฌ๊ณ  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ํ˜‘ํšŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:10
The institutions are solemn,
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๊ทธ ํ˜‘ํšŒ๋“ค์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ณ ,
12:13
and so is the design.
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๋””์ž์ธ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:15
They're better crafted than the Public Theater was,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ํผ๋ถˆ๋ฆญ ์”จ์–ดํ„ฐ ์ž‘์—…๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๊ณต๋“ค์—ฌ์กŒ๊ณ ,
12:17
and they spend more money on them, but I think
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š”
12:19
that that moment comes and goes.
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๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฒผ๋‹ค ์—†์–ด์กŒ๋‹ค ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:22
The best way to accomplish serious design --
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์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋””์ž์ธ์„ ์„ฑ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€--
12:24
which I think we all have the opportunity to do --
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--์ „ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ์š”--
12:27
is to be totally and completely unqualified for the job.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ œํ•œ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:31
That doesn't happen very often,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž์ฃผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:33
but it happened to me in the year 2000,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €์—๊ฒ 2000๋…„๋„์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:35
when for some reason or another,
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์–ด๋–ค ์ด์œ ์—์„œ์ธ์ง€,
12:37
a whole pile of different architects
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๋‹ค์ˆ˜์˜ ๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฑด์ถ•๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด
12:39
started to ask me to design
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ทน์žฅ์•ˆ์˜ ๋””์ž์ธ์„
12:41
the insides of theaters with them,
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ํ•˜๊ธธ ์˜๋ขฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:43
where I would take environmental graphics and work them into buildings.
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์ €๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ฝ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๋ ค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:46
I'd never done this kind of work before.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด๋ณธ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:48
I didn't know how to read an architectural plan,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฑด์ถ•๋„๋ฉด์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฝ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์œผ๋ฉฐ,
12:51
I didn't know what they were talking about,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:53
and I really couldn't handle the fact that a job --
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์ „ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ผ์ด
12:55
a single job -- could go on for four years
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4๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ณ„์†๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:57
because I was used to immediacy in graphic design,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ „ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ ๋””์ž์ธ์˜ ๊ธด๋ฐ•์„ฑ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ ธ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
13:00
and that kind of attention to detail
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์„ธ๋ถ€ ํ•ญ๋ชฉ์—์˜ ์ฃผ์˜๋Š”
13:02
was really bad for somebody like me, with ADD.
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ADD๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ € ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์„œํˆฌ๋ฅธ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:05
So, it was a rough -- it was a rough go,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
13:08
but I fell in love with this process
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ „ ๊ทธ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ์„ ๊ฑด์ถ•์— ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š”
13:11
of actually integrating graphics into architecture
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๊ณผ์ •๋“ค๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์— ๋น ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:14
because I didn't know what I was doing.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:17
I said, "Why can't the signage be on the floor?"
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์™œ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์‚ฌ์ธ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„๊นŒ?
13:19
New Yorkers look at their feet.
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๋‰ด์š”์ปค๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฐœ์„ ๋ณด์ฃ ,
13:21
And then I found that actors and actresses
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๊ทธ๋‹ค์Œ, ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋“ค์ด
13:23
actually take their cues from the floor,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์—์„œ ๋ณธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:25
so it turned out that these sorts of sign systems
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ์ธ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด
13:28
began to make sense.
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์ด์น˜์— ๋งž๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
They integrated with the building in really peculiar ways.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ๊ณผ ์ •๋ง ๋…ํŠนํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ํ†ตํ•ฉ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:33
They ran around corners,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ฝ”๋„ˆ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ์•„์„œ,
13:35
they went up sides of buildings,
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๋นŒ๋”ฉ์˜ ์˜†๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋ฉฐ,
13:38
and they melded into the architecture.
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๊ฑด์ถ•์— ์œตํ•ฉ๋˜์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:40
This is Symphony Space on 90th Street and Broadway,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ 90๊ฐ€์™€ ๋ธŒ๋กœ๋“œ์›จ์ด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ฌํฌ๋‹ˆ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ด์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:43
and the type is interwoven into the stainless steel
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๊ธ€์ž๋Š” ์Šคํ…Œ์ธ๋ ˆ์Šค ์Šคํ‹ธ๊ณผ,
13:46
and backlit with fiber optics.
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๊ด‘์„ฌ์œ ๋กœ ๋œ ๋ฐฑ๋ผ์ดํŠธ์™€ ์กฐํ™”๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
And the architect, Jim Polshek,
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๊ฑด์ถ•๊ฐ€์ธ ์ง ํด์‰‘์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ
13:52
essentially gave me a canvas
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋†€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
13:54
to play typography out on.
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์บ”๋ฒ„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:56
And it was serious play.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋†€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:58
This is the children's museum in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํŽœ์‹ค๋ฒ ๋‹ˆ์•„์ฃผ ํ”ผ์ธ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ์ˆ ๊ด€ ์ธ๋ฐ์š”,
14:01
made out of completely inexpensive materials.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋น„์‹ธ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์žฌ๋ฃŒ๋“ค๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:04
Extruded typography that's backlit with neon.
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋นผ๋‚ธ ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ผ์—๋Š” ๋„ค์˜จ์œผ๋กœ ๋œ ๋ฐฑ๋ผ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:07
Things I never did before, built before.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ „์— ํ•ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ณ , ์ „์— ์ง€์€์ ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค,,,
14:09
I just thought they'd be kind of fun to do.
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์ „ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ด ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:11
Donors' walls made out of Lucite.
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ํˆฌ๋ช…ํ•ฉ์„ฑ์ˆ˜์ง€๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„ ๊ธฐ๋ถ€์ž๋“ค์˜ ๋ฒฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,,
14:14
And then, inexpensive signage.
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๋‹ค์Œ์€, ๋น„์‹ธ์ง€์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:17
(Laughter)
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( ์‚ฌ์ธ: ํ™”์žฅ์‹ค๋กœ ๊ฐ€์„ธ์š” ใ…ฃ๋ง๋ฆฌ์„ธ์š” )(์›ƒ์Œ)
14:23
I think my favorite of these
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ค‘ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์€
14:25
was this little job in Newark, New Jersey.
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๋‰ด์ €์ง€์ฃผ ๋‰ด์•…์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:27
It's a performing arts school.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณต์—ฐ ์˜ˆ์ˆ  ํ•™๊ต ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:30
This is the building that -- they had no money,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ๋นŒ๋”ฉ์ธ๋ฐ์š”-- ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ˆ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ 
14:33
and they had to recast it, and they said,
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๊ทธ ๋ฒฝ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฎ์–ด์”Œ์›Œ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ ,
14:35
if we give you 100,000 dollars, what can you do with it?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 10๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ค€๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”,
14:38
And I did a little Photoshop job on it, and I said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ๊ทธ ๋นŒ๋”ฉ ์œ„์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํฌํ† ์ƒต ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
14:40
Well, I think we can paint it.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํŽ˜์ธํŠธ์น ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:42
And we did. And it was play.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ํ–ˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋†€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:46
And there's the building. Everything was painted --
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๊ทธ ๋นŒ๋”ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ํŽ˜์ธํŠธ์น  ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค--
14:49
typography over the whole damn thing,
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋นŒ๋”ฉ์„ ๋’ค๋ฎ์–ด ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ผ๊ฐ€ ์น ํ•ด ์กŒ์ฃ ,
14:51
including the air conditioning ducts.
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์—์–ด์ปจ๋•ํŠธ๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
14:53
I hired guys who paint flats
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์ €๋Š” ์ฐจ๊ณ ๋“ค์˜ ์˜†์— ๊ณ ์ •๋œ ํ‰๋ฉด์„
14:55
fixed on the sides of garages
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์น ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ทธ ๋นŒ๋”ฉ์„ ์น ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
14:58
to do the painting on the building, and they loved it.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ–ˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์— ๋น ์ ธ๋ฒ„๋ ธ์ฃ 
15:00
They got into it -- they took the job incredibly seriously.
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-- ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ์–ด๋ ค์šธ์ •๋„๋กœ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:02
They used to climb up on the building and call me
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋นŒ๋”ฉ์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:04
and tell me that they had to correct my typography --
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์ €์˜ ํƒ€์ดํฌ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์ณ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
15:07
that my spacing was wrong, and they moved it,
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์ €์˜ ๊ธ€์ž ๊ฐ„๊ฒฉ์ด ์ž˜๋ชป๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฉ์„ ๊ณ ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:09
and they did wonderful things with it.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋‚ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:11
They were pretty serious, too. It was quite wonderful.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง„์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ฃผ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:14
By the time I did Bloomberg's headquarters
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ถˆ๋ฃธ๋ฒ„๊ทธ ๋ณธ์ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์—…ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฏค
15:17
my work had begun to become accepted.
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์ €์˜ ์ž‘์—…์€ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:21
People wanted it in big, expensive places.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํฌ๊ณ  ๋น„์‹ผ ์žฅ์†Œ๋“ค์— ํ•˜๊ธธ ์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:24
And that began to make it solemn.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทผ์—„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:26
Bloomberg was all about numbers,
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๋ถˆ๋ฃธ๋ฒ„๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ˆซ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
15:28
and we did big numbers through the space
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ณต๊ฐ„ ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ณณ์— ํฐ ์ˆซ์ž๋“ค๋กœ ์ž‘์—…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:31
and the numbers were projected on a spectacular LED
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๊ทธ ์ˆซ์ž๋“ค์€ ํ™”๋ คํ•œ LED ์œ„์— ํˆฌ์˜๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
15:34
that my partner, Lisa Strausfeld, programmed.
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์ €์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์ธ ๋ฆฌ์‚ฌ ์ŠคํŠธ๊ณ ์ŠคํŽ ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจํ–ˆ์ฃ .
15:37
But it became the end
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋†€์ด์˜
15:39
of the seriousness of the play,
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์ง„์ง€ํ•จ์˜ ๋์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:42
and it started to, once again, become solemn.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ, ๊ทผ์—„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:45
This is a current project
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํŽœ์‹ค๋ฒ ๋‹ˆ์•„์ฃผ ํ”ผ์ธ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
15:47
in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์ธ๋ฐ์š”,
15:49
where I got to be goofy.
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ํ”ผ์ธ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์—์„œ ์ „ ์žฅ๋‚œ๊พธ๋Ÿฌ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:51
I was invited to design
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์ €๋Š” ๋…ธ์“ฐ ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ๋ผ ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ง€์—ญ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ
15:53
a logo for this neighborhood, called the North Side,
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๋””์ž์ธํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ถ€ํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:56
and I thought it was silly for a neighborhood to have a logo.
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๊ทธ๊ธฐ๊ณ , ์ €๋Š” ํ•œ ์ง€์—ญ์ด ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„์€ ์ผ์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:59
I think that's rather creepy, actually. Why would a neighborhood have a logo?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์†Œ๋ฆ„๋ผ์น˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง€์—ญ์ด ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€?
16:02
A neighborhood has a thing -- it's got a landmark, it's got a place,
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์ง€์—ญ์—๋Š” ๋žœ๋“œ๋งˆํฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์žฅ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
16:04
it's got a restaurant. It doesn't have a logo. I mean, what would that be?
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๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋กœ๊ณ ๋Š” ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋˜์•ผํ•˜์ฃ ?
16:07
So I had to actually give a presentation
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์‹œ ์œ„์›ํšŒ์™€
16:10
to a city council
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์ง€์—ญ ์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ตฌ๋ฏผ์—๊ฒŒ
16:12
and neighborhood constituents,
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ”„๋ฆฌ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:14
and I went to Pittsburgh and I said,
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์ „ ํ”ผ์ธ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ
16:17
"You know, really what you have here
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์€
16:19
are all these underpasses
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๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๋„์‹ฌ์˜ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š”
16:21
that separate the neighborhood from the center of town.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง€ํ•˜๋„๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:24
Why don't you celebrate them, and make the underpasses landmarks?"
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ธฐ๋…ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ง€ํ•˜๋„๋“ค์„ ๋žœ๋“œ๋งˆํฌ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋– ๋ƒ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
16:27
So I began doing this crazy presentation
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์ €๋Š” ์ด์ƒํ•œ ํ”„๋ฆฌ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:30
of these installations --
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์ด ์„ค์น˜๋“ค์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ--
16:32
potential installations -- on
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์ด ์ง€ํ•˜๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋“ค ์œ„์— ์„ค์น˜ํ•˜๋Š”
16:35
these underpass bridges,
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์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ์„ค์น˜์˜€์ฃ .
16:37
and stood up in front of the city council --
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์‹œ ์˜์›ํšŒ์˜ ์•ž์— ์„ฐ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
16:39
and was a little bit scared,
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‘๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:41
I have to admit.
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:43
But I was so utterly unqualified for this project,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ „ ์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ ,
16:47
and so utterly ridiculous,
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์•„์ฃผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํ„ฐ๋ฌด๋‹ˆ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ ,,
16:49
and ignored the brief so desperately
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ฐœ์š”๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํ•„์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•ด์„œ,
16:53
that I think they just embraced it with wholeheartedness,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:56
just completely because it was so goofy to begin with.
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์ •๋ง ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ณ„๋‚ฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:00
And this is the bridge they're actually
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์ธ๋ฐ์š”,
17:02
painting up and preparing as we speak.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํŽ˜์ธํŠธ์น  ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ค€๋น„๋˜๊ณ  ์ž‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:05
It will change every six months, and it will become an art installation
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ 6๊ฐœ์›”๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ฐ”๋€” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ํ”ผ์ธ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์˜ ๋…ธ์Šค์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ์˜
17:08
in the North Side of Pittsburgh,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์  ์„ค์น˜๋ฌผ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:10
and it will probably become a landmark in the area.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๋žœ๋“œ๋งˆํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:13
John Hockenberry told you a bit about
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์กด ํ˜ธํฐ๋ฒ ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ €์˜ ์‹œํ‹ฐ๋ฑ…ํฌ์™€์˜ ์ผ์—์„œ์˜
17:16
my travail with Citibank,
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๊ณ ํ†ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
17:18
that is now a 10-year relationship, and I still work with them.
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ 10 ๋…„๋œ ๊ด€๊ณ„์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:22
And I actually am amused by them and like them,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ข‹ํ•˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:25
and think that as a very, very, very, very, very big corporation
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๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ํฐ ๊ธฐ์—…์œผ๋กœ์„œ
17:28
they actually keep their graphics very nice.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž˜ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:31
I drew the logo for Citibank
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์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ฏธํŒ…์—์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์‹œํ‹ฐ๋ฑ…ํฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ
17:33
on a napkin in the first meeting.
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๋ƒ…ํ‚จ์œ„์— ๊ทธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:36
That was the play part of the job.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ์ž‘์—…์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๋†€์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:38
And then I spent a year
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ธธ๊ณ , ์ง€๊ฒจ์šฐ๋ฉฐ,
17:40
going to long, tedious,
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๋”ฐ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๋ฏธํŒ…์œผ๋กœ
17:42
boring meetings,
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์ผ๋…„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:44
trying to sell this logo through
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๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์—…์—, ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ฆด ์ •๋„๊นŒ์ง€
17:46
to a huge corporation
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์ด ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ํŒ”๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
17:48
to the point of tears.
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์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:50
I thought I was going to go crazy at the end of this year.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜ฌํ•ด ๋ง์—๋Š” ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:52
We made idiotic presentations
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋น„์ƒ์‹์ ์ธ ํ”„๋ฆฌ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
17:54
showing how the Citi logo made sense,
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์‹œํ‹ฐ๋กœ๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด์น˜์— ๋งž๋Š”์ง€
17:56
and how it was really derived from an umbrella,
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์ •๋ง ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์šฐ์‚ฐ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํŒŒ์ƒ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
17:58
and we made animations of these things,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ์• ๋‹ˆ๋งค์ด์…˜์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:00
and we came back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
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๊ณ„์† ์™”๋‹ค๊ฐ”๋‹ค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:03
And it was worth it, because they bought this thing,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ€์น˜์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ€์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
18:06
and it played out on such a grand scale,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ๋๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:08
and it's so internationally recognizable,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์‹๋˜์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
18:12
but for me it was actually a very, very depressing year.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค์šฐ ์นจ์šธํ•œ ํ•ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:16
As a matter of fact, they actually never bought onto the logo
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ, ํŒฐ๋ก ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€
18:18
until Fallon put it on
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'๋ถ€์œ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ด์ž' ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
18:20
its very good "Live Richly" campaign,
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๊ทธํ›„ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€
18:22
and then everybody accepted it all over the world.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ๋กœ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:26
So during this time I needed
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์ด ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ, ์ €๋Š”
18:28
some kind of counterbalance
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์ด ๋ฏธ์น ๊ฒƒ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธธ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”๋ณด๊ฐ™์€
18:30
for this crazy, crazy existence
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๋ฏธํŒ…๋“ค์—์˜ ์ฐธ์„๊ณผ์˜
18:32
of going to these long, idiotic meetings.
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๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ํž˜์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:34
And I was up in my country house,
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์‹œ๊ณจ์ง‘์—์„œ
18:36
and for some reason, I began painting
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์–ด๋–ค ์ด์œ ์—์„ ์ง€,
18:38
these very big, very involved,
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์ด ์•„์ฃผ ํฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ฃผ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ณ ,
18:41
laborious, complicated
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์ธ๋‚ด๋ฅผ ์š”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋ณต์žกํ•œ
18:44
maps of the entire world,
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๋ชจ๋“  ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
and listing every place on the planet, and putting them in,
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์ด ํ–‰์„ฑ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์žฅ์†Œ๋“ค์˜ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋„ฃ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ,
18:49
and misspelling them, and putting things in the wrong spot,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ฒ ์ž๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๋ชป ์ ๊ณ , ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์žฅ์†Œ์— ์จ ๋„ฃ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ,
18:51
and completely controlling the information,
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ,
18:53
and going totally and completely nuts with it.
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์™„์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์—ด์ค‘ํ•ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:56
They would take me about six months initially,
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” 6๊ฐœ์›”์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
18:59
but then I started getting faster at it.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ €๋Š” ๋นจ๋ผ์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
Here's the United States.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
Every single city of the United States is on here.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋„์‹œ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
19:05
And it hung for about eight months
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8๊ฐœ์›” ๊ฐ€๋Ÿ‰๋™์•ˆ ์ฟ ํผํœด์ž‡ ๋ฏธ์ˆ ๊ด€์— ๊ฑธ๋ ค์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:07
at the Cooper-Hewitt, and people walked up to it,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฑธ์–ด์™€์„œ
19:10
and they would point to a part of the map
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๊ทธ ์ง€๋„์˜ ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ฌ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
19:12
and they'd say, "Oh, I've been here."
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์˜ค, ๋‚˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€๋ดค์–ด ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ• ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:14
And, of course, they couldn't have been because it's in the wrong spot.
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ€๋ดค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์ง€์ ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
19:17
(Laughter)
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19:18
But what I liked about it was,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๊ฒƒ์€,
19:20
I was controlling my own idiotic information,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ €์˜ ๋น„์ƒ์‹์ ์ธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
19:23
and I was creating my own palette of information,
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์ € ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ •๋ณด์˜ ํŒ”๋ ˆํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
19:26
and I was totally and completely
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์™„์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋†€ ์ˆ˜
19:28
at play.
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์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:30
One of my favorites was
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
19:32
this painting I did of Florida after the 2000 election
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์ด 2000๋…„ ์„ ๊ฑฐ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ์š”,
19:35
that has the election results rolling around in the water.
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๋ฌผ์—์„œ ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ทธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:39
I keep that for evidence.
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์ฆ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:41
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
19:42
Somebody
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์–ด๋–ค์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
19:44
was up at my house and saw the paintings
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์ €์˜ ์ง‘๊นŒ์ง€ ์™€์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ณ ,
19:46
and recommended them to a gallery,
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๊ฐค๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ด์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
19:48
and I had a first show
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ 2๋…„ 6๊ฐœ์›” ์ „์—
19:50
about two-and-a-half years ago, and I showed these paintings
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ „์‹œํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š”
19:53
that I'm showing you now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:56
And then a funny thing happened -- they sold.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ, ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค -- ๊ทธ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์ด ํŒ”๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ ,
19:59
And they sold quickly,
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๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์€ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ํŒ”๋ ธ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
20:02
and became rather popular.
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์ธ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:05
We started making prints from them.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ”„๋ฆฐํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:07
This is Manhattan, one from the series.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ ๋งจํ•˜ํƒ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:11
This is a print from the United States which we did in red, white and blue.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋นจ๊ฐ•, ํ•˜์–‘, ํŒŒ๋ž‘์œผ๋กœ ์น ํ•œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ํ”„๋ฆฐํŠธํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:14
We began doing these big silkscreen prints,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ํฐ ์‹คํฌ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ ํ”„๋ฆฐํŠธ๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
20:17
and they started selling, too.
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ํŒ”๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:19
So, the gallery wanted me to have another show
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๊ฐค๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ 2๋…„์•ˆ์—
20:21
in two years,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ „์‹œํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
20:23
which meant that I really
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ
20:26
had to paint these paintings
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์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์™”๋˜๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค
20:28
much faster
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๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ
20:30
than I had ever done them. And I --
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๊ทธ๋ ค์•ผ ํ•จ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ–ˆ์ฃ .
20:32
they started to become more political, and I picked areas
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๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์€ ๋” ์ •์น˜์ ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ €๋Š”
20:35
that sort of were in the news
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๋‰ด์Šค์— ๋‚˜์™”๋˜ ์ง€์—ญ์ด๋‚˜,
20:37
or that I had some feeling about,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฐ์ •์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ์ง€์—ญ ๋“ฑ์„ ํƒํ•ด์„œ
20:39
and I began doing these things.
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์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:41
And then this funny thing happened.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์ด ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:43
I found that I was no longer at play.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๋†€์ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:46
I was actually in this solemn landscape
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์ €๋Š” ์ „์‹œํšŒ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ
20:49
of fulfilling an expectation
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๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์ฑ„์šฐ๋Š” ์—„์ˆ™ํ•œ ํ’๊ฒฝ์—
20:51
for a show,
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์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:53
which is not where I started with these things.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
20:55
So, while they became successful,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์ด ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
20:58
I know how to make them,
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:00
so I'm not a neophyte,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „ ์ดˆ์‹ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:02
and they're no longer serious --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค --
21:04
they have become solemn.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์—„์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:07
And that's a terrifying factor --
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค --
21:10
when you start something and it turns that way --
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋€” ๋•Œ --
21:12
because it means that all that's left for you
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€
21:15
is to go back and to find out
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๋˜๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ ์ผ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:17
what the next thing is that you can push,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ถ”์ง„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
21:20
that you can invent, that you can be ignorant about,
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์ฐฝ์กฐํ• ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
21:23
that you can be arrogant about,
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์˜ค๋งŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
21:25
that you can fail with,
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์‹คํŒจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
21:27
and that you can be a fool with.
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๋ฐ”๋ณด๊ฐ™์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”.
21:29
Because in the end, that's how you grow,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ผ๋Š”๊ฑฐ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
21:32
and that's all that matters.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:34
So, I'm plugging along here --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „ ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:36
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
21:39
and I'm just going to have to blow up the staircase.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ณ„๋‹จ์„ ํญํŒŒ์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:41
Thank you very much.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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