What it's like to be a woman in Hollywood | Naomi McDougall Jones

103,855 views ・ 2017-11-14

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:00
Reviewer: Camille MartΓ­nez
0
0
7000
00:13
I'm going to begin today with a story
1
13450
2000
00:15
and end with a revolution.
2
15474
2001
00:17
(Laughter)
3
17499
1335
00:18
Are you ready?
4
18858
1167
00:20
Audience: Yes!
5
20048
1161
00:21
Naomi McDougall-Jones: Here's the story.
6
21233
1905
00:23
All my life I wanted to be an actress.
7
23162
1982
00:25
From the time I was very small, I could feel the magic of storytelling
8
25168
3452
00:28
and I wanted to be a part of it.
9
28644
2000
00:30
So, at the ripe age of 21,
10
30668
1732
00:32
I graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts
11
32424
2602
00:35
in New York City,
12
35050
1162
00:36
bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and ready to take my rightful place
13
36236
3168
00:39
as the next Meryl Streep.
14
39428
1291
00:41
That's my grandmother, not Meryl Streep.
15
41662
1949
00:43
(Laughter)
16
43635
1008
00:44
Now, it's important for this story that you understand
17
44667
2657
00:47
that I was raised by a raging feminist.
18
47348
2001
00:49
I mean, just to give you some idea:
19
49373
1906
00:51
when I was five or six years old and obsessed with "The Sound of Music,"
20
51303
3557
00:54
and running around, singing, "I am 16 going on 17,"
21
54884
2428
00:57
all day every day,
22
57336
1572
00:58
my mother sat me down for a very serious conversation
23
58932
2709
01:01
and she said, "OK, look.
24
61665
1771
01:03
I'm not going to say that you can't sing that song,
25
63460
3036
01:06
but if you are going to sing that song, I do need you to understand
26
66520
3555
01:10
the extremely problematic gender construct that it reinforces."
27
70099
3019
01:13
(Laughter)
28
73142
2078
01:15
So that's where I come from.
29
75244
1649
01:16
So it just honestly never even occurred to me
30
76917
2367
01:19
that I would be prevented from doing anything in my life
31
79308
2662
01:21
because I'm a woman.
32
81994
1360
01:23
OK. So I graduate.
33
83378
1151
01:24
And I start auditioning and I get work, slowly.
34
84553
2774
01:27
But I just start noticing that the parts available for women
35
87351
3244
01:30
are terrible.
36
90619
1710
01:32
But, remember -- I came here
37
92353
1816
01:34
to play smart, willful, complicated, interesting
38
94193
3386
01:37
complex, confident female characters, right?
39
97603
3041
01:40
Like Meryl.
40
100668
1480
01:42
And all of the sudden,
41
102172
1408
01:43
I am wrestling with 300 other gorgeous, talented women
42
103604
3492
01:47
to play ...
43
107120
1564
01:48
"[Female] No dialogue.
44
108708
2000
01:50
The character only needs to stand on a balcony,
45
110732
2427
01:53
look forlorn, and walk back inside the house.
46
113183
2638
01:55
Only partial nudity."
47
115845
1309
01:57
(Laughter)
48
117178
1732
01:58
"[Sarah] Brian's love interest.
49
118934
2000
02:00
Attractive, cute, and flirty, she is the ideal girl and Brian's prize
50
120958
4010
02:04
throughout the entire film."
51
124992
1553
02:07
"[Mom] A proper Southern belle who is making peace with the fact
52
127349
3711
02:11
that her only purpose in life is to tend to her husband."
53
131084
2975
02:14
"[Abby] Must be OK with a tastefully shot gang rape,
54
134788
3485
02:18
along with performing 19th-century dance."
55
138297
2634
02:20
(Laughter)
56
140955
2189
02:23
Those are actual casting notices.
57
143168
2331
02:26
And so I just mentioned this to my agent one day,
58
146467
2443
02:28
I say, "I feel like I'm not really going in for parts
59
148934
2717
02:31
that I'm actually excited about playing.
60
151675
2459
02:34
And he said, "Yeah. I don't really know what to do with you.
61
154158
3315
02:37
You're too smart for the parts
62
157497
1499
02:39
that are being written for women in their 20s,
63
159020
2180
02:41
and you're not quite pretty enough to be the hot one,
64
161224
2615
02:43
so I think you'll work when you're 35."
65
163863
2000
02:45
(Laughter)
66
165887
1431
02:47
And I said, "Oh. That's funny.
67
167342
1431
02:48
I always thought that when you were 35, you were kind of, like,
68
168797
3013
02:51
over the hill as an actress,
69
171834
1367
02:53
that you were relegated to playing 20-year-olds' mothers."
70
173225
2776
02:56
And he said, "Yeah --
71
176025
1370
02:57
(Laughter)
72
177419
2000
03:00
It's just the way it is."
73
180135
1413
03:02
So, maybe a year or so after this,
74
182937
2408
03:05
I'm having lunch with an actress friend of mine,
75
185369
2270
03:07
and we're talking about how insane this is.
76
187663
2017
03:09
And we decide, you know what? No problem.
77
189704
2505
03:12
We'll just make our own movie.
78
192233
1561
03:13
And I'll write and then I'll write it about two complex female characters.
79
193818
3874
03:17
So we do.
80
197716
1150
03:18
We set out to make this movie,
81
198890
1479
03:20
and sort of accidentally, we end up hiring an all-female production team:
82
200393
3486
03:23
the writer, directors, producers,
83
203903
1600
03:25
and it's a film about two women.
84
205527
1560
03:27
And so pretty soon, we're sitting in the office
85
207111
2244
03:29
of a successful male producer,
86
209379
1577
03:30
and he goes, "OK, girls.
87
210980
2463
03:33
So, you do understand that at some point you are going to have to hire
88
213467
3311
03:36
a male producer onboard, right?
89
216802
1895
03:38
Just so that people will trust you with their money."
90
218721
2601
03:43
Over and over again, people tell us,
91
223116
2178
03:45
"Yeah, but people don't really want to see films about women,
92
225318
2983
03:48
so maybe you should think about making something else.
93
228325
2695
03:51
It's just the way it is."
94
231044
1769
03:54
So we make the movie, anyway.
95
234161
1734
03:55
We scrape together 80,000 dollars,
96
235919
2249
03:58
and we make it, and it does so well.
97
238192
2380
04:00
It gets into tons of festivals and we win a lot of awards
98
240596
3269
04:03
and it's big and exciting.
99
243889
2000
04:06
But these experiences I've had just keep rubbing at me.
100
246389
3348
04:09
And so, I just start talking about them,
101
249761
2120
04:11
first, at Q and A's after screenings of the film,
102
251905
2930
04:14
and then I get invited to be on panels and talk at conferences.
103
254859
3072
04:17
And the really amazing thing is that, to begin with,
104
257955
2478
04:20
when I'm just talking to audiences
105
260457
1726
04:22
and other people, you know, coming up in the film industry,
106
262207
2868
04:25
the universal reaction is,
107
265099
2000
04:27
"Oh my god! This is terrible. What do we do about this?"
108
267123
2983
04:30
But the bigger panels I get on,
109
270902
2285
04:33
suddenly an Oscar nominee tells me,
110
273211
2698
04:35
"Look, I totally agree with everything you're saying.
111
275933
2536
04:38
You just need to be really careful about where you say it."
112
278493
2838
04:41
An Oscar-winning producer tells me
113
281958
1703
04:43
that she doesn't think it's a good idea to play the woman card.
114
283685
3613
04:47
It's just the way it is.
115
287322
1546
04:50
And I think this is how sexism continues on in 2016, right?
116
290566
3855
04:54
For the most part, it happens casually --
117
294445
2786
04:57
unconsciously, even.
118
297255
1673
04:58
It happens because people are just trying to get along
119
298952
2596
05:01
within an existing system.
120
301572
1525
05:03
It happens, maybe, out of a genuine desire
121
303121
3322
05:06
to teach a young woman the way that the world "just is."
122
306467
3026
05:10
The problem is that unless we do something about it,
123
310556
2461
05:13
that is the way the world will always be.
124
313041
2389
05:16
So why should you care about this?
125
316628
1832
05:18
Right?
126
318484
1155
05:19
I mean, we're facing some rather significant problems in the world
127
319663
3235
05:22
just at present,
128
322922
1152
05:24
what does it really matter if I can't get a job,
129
324098
2339
05:26
or you're stuck watching "Transformer 17," right?
130
326461
2323
05:28
(Laughter)
131
328808
1738
05:30
Well, let me put it to you this way:
132
330570
2317
05:32
the year "Jaws" came out,
133
332911
1384
05:34
Americans suddenly started listing "sharks" among their top 10 major fears.
134
334319
4723
05:40
In 1995, BMW paid the James Bond franchise three million dollars
135
340010
5686
05:45
to have James Bond switch from driving an Aston Martin
136
345720
2893
05:48
to a BMW Z3.
137
348637
1620
05:51
That one move caused so many people to go out and buy that car,
138
351122
4549
05:55
that BMW made 240 million dollars in pre-sales alone.
139
355695
5085
06:01
The year that "Brave" and "Hunger Games" came out,
140
361367
2645
06:04
female participation in archery went up 105 percent.
141
364036
3417
06:07
(Laughter)
142
367477
2888
06:10
In fact, studies show
143
370389
1344
06:11
that the movies you watch don't just affect your hobbies,
144
371757
3707
06:15
they affect your career choices, your emotions, your sense of identity,
145
375488
5293
06:20
your relationships, your mental health -- even your marital status.
146
380805
3984
06:25
So now, consider this:
147
385924
1684
06:28
if you have watched mostly American movies in your lifetime,
148
388290
4713
06:33
95 percent of all the films you have ever seen
149
393027
3924
06:36
were directed by men.
150
396975
1747
06:39
Somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of all of the leading characters
151
399507
3658
06:43
that you have ever seen
152
403189
2145
06:45
were men.
153
405358
1420
06:46
And even if we just talk about the last five years,
154
406802
2979
06:49
55 percent of the time that you have seen a woman in a movie,
155
409805
4073
06:53
she was naked or scantily clad.
156
413902
2617
06:57
That affects you.
157
417804
1558
06:59
That affects all of us.
158
419949
1597
07:02
We actually can't even imagine how much it affects us,
159
422315
2671
07:05
because this is all we've ever had.
160
425010
1974
07:07
Stories -- and movies are just modern stories --
161
427881
2666
07:10
are not frivolous.
162
430571
1263
07:12
They're actually the mechanism through which we process
163
432571
2753
07:15
our experience of being alive.
164
435348
2134
07:18
They're the way that we understand the world
165
438045
2130
07:20
and our place in it.
166
440199
1432
07:21
They're the way we develop empathy
167
441655
1772
07:23
for people who have experiences different than our own.
168
443451
2967
07:27
And right now, all of that is being funneled at us
169
447060
3219
07:30
through the prism of this one perspective.
170
450303
2703
07:33
It's not that it's a bad perspective,
171
453030
1896
07:34
but don't we deserve to hear them all?
172
454950
2050
07:37
How would the world be different if all of the stories were told?
173
457786
3431
07:41
So what do we do about this?
174
461851
1777
07:43
This may be the first time a lot of you are hearing about this,
175
463652
3119
07:46
but a lot of us within the film industry have spent years --
176
466795
3504
07:50
a lot of people, a lot longer than I have --
177
470323
2649
07:52
giving speeches and doing panels and writing articles
178
472996
2636
07:55
and doing studies,
179
475656
1154
07:56
and really just yelling at Hollywood to do a better job about this.
180
476834
4069
08:00
I mean, we have really yelled at them.
181
480927
3731
08:04
And yet, Paramount and Fox recently released their slates,
182
484682
3999
08:08
and of the 47 films that they will release between now and 2018,
183
488705
4632
08:13
not a single one will be directed by a woman.
184
493361
3419
08:19
So it is beginning to occur to me
185
499708
1882
08:21
that waiting for Hollywood to grow a conscience
186
501614
3003
08:24
may not actually be a winning strategy.
187
504641
2059
08:27
In fact, it seems to me
188
507406
1195
08:28
that whenever there is a small, ruling class of people
189
508625
2883
08:31
who have all of the money and power and resources,
190
511532
2896
08:34
they're not actually that excited about giving it up.
191
514452
2839
08:37
And so you don't get change by asking them
192
517901
2752
08:40
or even yelling at them.
193
520677
1573
08:42
You have to make that change happen
194
522869
1958
08:45
through a revolution.
195
525504
1473
08:47
Now, please don't worry -- I promise you, here, now, today,
196
527761
4508
08:52
our body count will be very low.
197
532293
2000
08:54
(Laughter)
198
534317
2229
08:56
So, now before I get to my four-point plan for the revolution --
199
536570
3653
09:00
yes, I have a four-point plan --
200
540247
1641
09:01
I have two pieces of very good and important news for you.
201
541912
2817
09:04
Good news number one:
202
544753
1231
09:06
there are female filmmakers.
203
546008
2333
09:08
(Cheers and applause)
204
548365
1253
09:09
Yes! I know!
205
549642
1427
09:11
(Applause)
206
551093
1157
09:12
We exist!
207
552274
1213
09:14
We actually graduate from film schools
208
554455
2103
09:16
at the same rate that men do -- 50 percent.
209
556582
2323
09:18
So here we have our 50 women.
210
558929
2298
09:21
The problem is that as soon as you get to the micro-budget film,
211
561251
3187
09:24
so even the very smallest films,
212
564462
1561
09:26
we're already only directing 18 percent.
213
566047
2720
09:29
Then you get to slightly bigger films,
214
569331
2000
09:31
indies in the $1-5 million budget range,
215
571355
3131
09:34
and we go down to 12 percent.
216
574510
1607
09:36
So by the time you get to the studio system,
217
576141
2503
09:38
we're only directing five percent of movies.
218
578668
2111
09:41
Now, I know some of you out there will look at this
219
581755
3296
09:45
and secretly think to yourselves,
220
585075
1883
09:46
"Well, maybe women just aren't as good at directing movies."
221
586982
2959
09:50
And that's not a totally insane question.
222
590567
2175
09:52
I mean, we like to believe the film industry is a meritocracy, right?
223
592766
3357
09:56
(Laughs)
224
596147
1285
09:57
(Laughter)
225
597456
2047
09:59
But look at this trajectory.
226
599527
1748
10:01
Either you have to accept
227
601299
1363
10:02
that women are actually five percent as talented as men,
228
602686
4251
10:06
which I don't,
229
606961
1158
10:08
or you have to accept that there are serious systemic issues
230
608143
3020
10:11
preventing us from getting from here to there.
231
611187
2813
10:14
But the good news is, we exist,
232
614024
2415
10:16
and there is a vast amount of untapped potential over here.
233
616463
3435
10:20
Good news number two, and this is really good news:
234
620802
3696
10:25
films by and about women make more money.
235
625411
3934
10:29
Yes! Yes! It's true!
236
629369
3124
10:32
(Cheers and applause)
237
632517
1336
10:33
It's true.
238
633877
1644
10:35
The Washington Post recently released a study
239
635545
2319
10:37
showing that films that feature women make 23 cents more on every dollar
240
637888
4808
10:42
than films that don't.
241
642720
1446
10:44
Furthermore, my colleagues and I commissioned a study
242
644506
2564
10:47
comparing 1,700 films made over the last five years
243
647094
3136
10:50
and, looking at the average returns on investment --
244
650254
2549
10:52
so, how much money does that movie make --
245
652827
2023
10:54
comparing if a man or a woman filled each of the following roles:
246
654874
3350
10:58
director, producer, screenwriter and lead actor.
247
658248
3065
11:01
And in every single category,
248
661884
2677
11:04
the return on investment is higher if it's a woman.
249
664585
2952
11:08
Fact: women buy 51 percent of all movie tickets.
250
668797
3255
11:13
Films by and about women make more money.
251
673361
2114
11:15
And of course, at least some portion of the male population
252
675927
2942
11:18
does also like women --
253
678893
1215
11:20
(Laughter)
254
680132
3125
11:23
so "women films" are not just for women.
255
683281
2962
11:26
And yet, Hollywood only targets 18 percent of all of their films
256
686750
4118
11:30
as "women films."
257
690892
1682
11:32
So what you're left with is a giant underserved audience
258
692598
4070
11:36
and untapped profit potential.
259
696692
2365
11:40
So we exist, and we have stories to tell.
260
700937
2960
11:43
We have so many stories to tell.
261
703921
2388
11:46
And despite everything we've heard: you want to see them.
262
706754
3695
11:51
The problem is, we've got this thing -- let's call it "Hollywood" --
263
711044
4059
11:55
(Laughter)
264
715127
2306
11:57
no, no, I'm just kidding;
265
717457
1218
11:58
I've met some very nice people in Hollywood --
266
718699
2307
12:01
Hollywood, preventing us from getting to you.
267
721030
3010
12:04
So here is my four-point plan for the revolution,
268
724064
2288
12:06
and everybody -- man or woman, in this room or anywhere in the world --
269
726376
3370
12:09
is going to get to help.
270
729770
1209
12:11
And this revolution is not just for women.
271
731003
2616
12:13
Anyone who has been disenfranchised,
272
733643
2182
12:15
anyone whose story has not been told,
273
735849
2356
12:18
the same principles apply,
274
738784
1280
12:20
and I really hope we can do the revolution together.
275
740088
2606
12:24
My four-point plan.
276
744392
1218
12:26
Number one: watch movies.
277
746371
2596
12:28
Isn't this a good revolution?
278
748991
1484
12:30
(Laughter)
279
750499
1070
12:31
OK, first I want to talk to anyone who watches movies.
280
751593
2559
12:34
Who watches movies in here?
281
754176
1634
12:35
Great!
282
755834
1151
12:37
Will you pledge to watch one film by a female filmmaker per month?
283
757009
4005
12:41
That's it, just start there. Great!
284
761038
2071
12:43
If you need help finding them,
285
763133
1566
12:44
you can go to the website, moviesbyher.com
286
764723
2937
12:48
It's an easily searchable database of films by women.
287
768009
3886
12:52
And as you start watching all movies,
288
772783
2332
12:55
I just want you to pay attention to the female characters.
289
775139
2848
12:58
How many of them are there?
290
778011
1297
12:59
What are they wearing?
291
779332
1189
13:00
Or not?
292
780545
1455
13:02
Do they get to do cool things,
293
782024
1452
13:03
or are they just there to emotionally support the men?
294
783500
2659
13:07
I'm telling you, once you see this, you're not going to be able to unsee it.
295
787213
3691
13:10
And as you start noticing this, it's going to shift your viewing habits.
296
790928
3582
13:14
And this already sizable market is going to continue to grow.
297
794534
3238
13:18
Step two: make movies.
298
798455
2422
13:21
So now I'm talking to all the female filmmakers out there:
299
801361
3476
13:24
we need you to be very brave.
300
804861
2301
13:27
It will be harder for you to make movies.
301
807741
2255
13:30
In fact, there will be an entire industry constantly telling you
302
810614
3373
13:34
that your stories don't matter.
303
814011
1666
13:36
And we need you to make them, anyway.
304
816280
2000
13:38
That 18 percent in the micro-budget range -- that is on us to fix.
305
818724
3984
13:43
Don't wait for permission.
306
823134
2000
13:45
Don't wait for somebody to pick you,
307
825158
2000
13:47
because 95 percent says they are not going to.
308
827182
2437
13:50
Crowd fund.
309
830269
1155
13:51
Write letters to eccentric relatives.
310
831448
1878
13:53
I know how hard it is,
311
833350
1366
13:54
but you have to make your movies -- now, today, features, not shorts.
312
834740
4688
13:59
There is an audience for them, and they want and need to see them.
313
839452
3743
14:04
Three: invest in each other.
314
844321
2546
14:07
Fellow female filmmakers, I feel like we need to stop wasting so much energy
315
847890
3968
14:11
on a system that does not want us.
316
851882
2063
14:13
We need to find our audience and invest in cultivating them.
317
853969
3606
14:17
If we can figure out how to make our movies
318
857599
2233
14:19
and deliver them to the audiences that want them,
319
859856
2484
14:22
that's it.
320
862364
1160
14:23
That's the whole game.
321
863548
1365
14:24
And whatever they're doing in the middle
322
864937
1966
14:26
is going to cease to be quite so important.
323
866927
2271
14:29
Audiences, invest in us.
324
869222
2460
14:32
Help us make the movies that you want to see.
325
872293
2938
14:35
If you can give a female filmmaker 25 dollars in a crowdfunding campaign,
326
875255
3939
14:39
great, do that.
327
879218
1276
14:40
If you can invest more seriously
328
880518
1597
14:42
and help us over that critical million-dollar hurdle,
329
882139
2514
14:44
do that.
330
884677
1167
14:45
But invest in seeing the other half of the story.
331
885868
2739
14:50
Four: disrupt through business.
332
890575
2107
14:53
So now I'm talking to all of the businesspeople
333
893352
2441
14:55
and entrepreneurs.
334
895817
1308
14:57
This does not happen very often in the world,
335
897149
2414
14:59
but right here we have a golden situation
336
899587
2596
15:02
in which you can enact significant social change
337
902207
2821
15:05
while also making money.
338
905052
2000
15:08
Hollywood is a system ripe for disruption.
339
908274
2920
15:11
The old models of financing and distribution are crumbling --
340
911218
2974
15:14
please come in and disrupt it.
341
914216
2053
15:16
I'll give you an example.
342
916954
1640
15:18
Right now, with some incredible women,
343
918618
1950
15:20
I am launching the "The 51 Fund."
344
920592
2189
15:22
It's a venture capital fund
345
922805
1483
15:24
that will finance films written, directed and produced by women
346
924312
3327
15:27
in that critical $1-5 million range.
347
927663
2688
15:31
We will give a significant number of female filmmakers
348
931057
2699
15:33
the chance to make their movies
349
933780
1535
15:35
and we will deliver them to the audiences who want them.
350
935339
2735
15:38
Good for equality, good for business.
351
938098
2614
15:41
But that's only one example, we need more.
352
941719
2166
15:43
There is room for so many more.
353
943909
2111
15:46
So I say to you:
354
946044
1354
15:47
Hollywood is leaving money on the table.
355
947422
2205
15:50
Come pick it up.
356
950073
1305
15:52
(Applause)
357
952361
4382
15:56
Now, all of this may seem like a lot, but it is actually so doable.
358
956767
4030
16:00
Entrenched systems don't change because you ask the people in charge,
359
960821
3643
16:04
they change because all of the people who don't have what they want
360
964488
3236
16:07
rise up and make that change happen.
361
967748
2079
16:10
And don't you want to?
362
970391
1471
16:12
I want to see what the other 51 percent of the population has to say.
363
972520
4111
16:17
I want to watch movies that teach me about people
364
977337
2393
16:19
who are different than I am.
365
979754
1387
16:21
I want to see women's bodies on film that aren't perfect.
366
981680
4018
16:26
I want to give our little boys the chance
367
986237
2263
16:28
to empathize with female characters
368
988524
1859
16:30
so that they can become more whole men.
369
990407
2331
16:33
And I definitely want to give a little girl
370
993381
2129
16:35
who may not have a real-life role model
371
995534
1957
16:37
the chance to watch movies
372
997515
1360
16:38
and see women doing everything she dreams of achieving.
373
998899
2773
16:42
This is not about making one industry better.
374
1002528
2689
16:45
This is about making a better world.
375
1005724
2000
16:48
Will you help?
376
1008485
1293
16:50
The time for waiting is over.
377
1010905
1740
16:52
The time for the revolution is now.
378
1012669
2246
16:54
(Cheers and applause)
379
1014939
4719
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7