How Dolly Parton led me to an epiphany | Jad Abumrad

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: omar idmassaoud ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: Shimaa Nabil
00:17
I want to tell you about my search for purpose as a journalist
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุฎุจุฑูƒู… ุนู† ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุจุญุซูŠ ุนู† ู‡ุฏู ุญูŠุงุชูŠ ูƒุตุญููŠุŒ
00:20
and how Dolly Parton helped me figure it out.
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ูˆูƒูŠู ุณุงุนุฏุชู†ูŠ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุจุงุฑุชูˆู† ููŠ ุงู„ุชูˆุตู„ ุฅู„ูŠู‡.
00:25
So I've been telling audio stories for about 20 years,
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฑูˆูŠ ู‚ุตุต ุตูˆุชูŠุฉ ู„ู…ุง ูŠู‚ุงุฑุจ ุงู„ุนุดุฑูŠู† ุนุงู…ุŒ
00:27
first on the radio and then in podcasts.
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ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ู…ุฐูŠุงุนุŒ ูˆู„ุงุญู‚ู‹ุง ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุจุฑุงู…ุฌ ุงู„ุจูˆุฏูƒุงุณุช.
00:29
When I started the radio show "Radiolab" in 2002,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุจุฏุฃุช ุงู„ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌ ุงู„ุฅุฐุงุนูŠ โ€œุฑุงุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุงุจโ€ ููŠ ุนุงู… 2002ุŒ
00:33
here was the quintessential story move we would do.
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ูƒุงู†ุช ุญุฑูƒุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุงู„ุฌูˆู‡ุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒู†ุง ู„ู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ุง
00:36
We'd bring on somebody --
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ูู‚ุฏ ูƒู†ุง ู†ุณุชุถูŠู ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ู…ุง.
00:38
(Audio) Steven Strogatz: It's one of the most hypnotic
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(ุชุณุฌูŠู„) ุณุชูŠูู† ุณุชุฑูˆุบุงุฒ: ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุงู„ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏ ุงู„ู…ู†ูˆู‘ู…ุฉ
00:40
and spellbinding spectacles in nature,
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ูˆุงู„ุณุงุญุฑุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุนุฉ
00:43
because, you have to keep in mind, it is absolutely silent.
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ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชุถุน ููŠ ุงู„ุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุฃู† ุงู„ุณุจุจ ูˆุฑุงุก ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒูˆู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุบุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‡ุฏูˆุก.
00:46
Jad Abumrad: Like this guy, mathematician, Steve Strogatz,
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ูƒู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุดุฎุตุŒ ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุฑูŠุงุถูŠุงุชุŒ ุณุชูŠูู† ุณุชุฑูˆุบุงุชุฒุŒ
00:49
and he would paint a picture.
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ูˆูƒุงู† ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุจุฑุณู… ุตูˆุฑุฉ.
00:50
SS: Picture it. There's a riverbank in Thailand,
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ุณุชูŠูู† ุณุชุฑูˆุบุงุชุฒ: ุชุตูˆุฑูˆุง. ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุถูุฉ ู†ู‡ุฑ ููŠ ุชุงูŠู„ุงู†ุฏุŒ
00:52
in the remote part of the jungle,
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ููŠ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุจุนูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุบุงุจุฉุŒ
00:54
you're in a canoe, slipping down the river.
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ูˆุฃู†ุชู… ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุชู† ุฒูˆุฑู‚ุŒ ุชุนุจุฑูˆู† ุงู„ู†ู‡ุฑุŒ
00:57
There's no sound of anything,
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุตูˆุช ู„ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก.
00:58
maybe the occasional, you know, exotic jungle bird or something.
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ู‚ุฏ ุชุณู…ุนูˆู† ุตูˆุช ุทุงุฆุฑ ุฃูˆ ุดูŠุก ู…ุง ู…ู† ุญูŠู† ู„ุขุฎุฑ.
01:02
JA: So you're in this imaginary canoe with Steve,
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ุฅุฐู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุชู… ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุชู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฒูˆุฑู‚ ุงู„ุชุฎูŠู„ูŠ ุจุฑูู‚ุฉ ุณุชูŠูุŒ
01:04
and in the air all around you are millions of fireflies.
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ูˆููŠ ุงู„ุณู…ุงุก ุญูˆู„ูƒู… ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุงู„ูŠุฑุงุนุงุช.
01:08
And what you see is sort of a randomized starry-night effect.
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ูˆู…ุง ุชุฑูˆู†ู‡ ุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุนู† ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุนุดูˆุงุฆูŠ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ู„ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ุชุฒูŠู†ุช ุณู…ุงุคู‡ุง ุจุงู„ู†ุฌูˆู…
01:12
Because all the fireflies are blinking at different rates.
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ู„ุฃู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ูŠุฑุงุนุงุช ุชุถูŠุก ุจู…ุนุฏู„ุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
01:15
Which is what you would expect.
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ูƒู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ุชูˆู‚ุน.
01:17
But according to Steve, in this one place,
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ู„ูƒู†ุŒ ูˆูู‚ู‹ุง ู„ูƒู„ุงู… ุณุชูŠูุŒ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ
01:20
for reasons no scientist can fully explain --
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ูˆู„ุฃุณุจุงุจ ู„ู… ูŠุชู…ูƒู† ุฃูŠ ุนุงู„ู… ู…ู† ุชูุณูŠุฑู‡ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ูƒุงู…ู„ุŒ
01:22
SS: Whoop.
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ุณุชูŠูู† ุณุชุฑูˆุบุงุชุฒ: (ุตูˆุช)
01:24
Whoop.
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(ุตูˆุช)
01:26
Whoop.
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(ุตูˆุช)
ู…ุน ุฅุถุงุกุฉ ูƒุงูุฉ ุขู„ุงู ุงู„ุฃุถูˆุงุก ูˆุชูˆู‚ูู‡ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุชุฒุงู…ู†.
01:28
With thousands of lights on and then off, all in sync.
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01:31
(Music and electric sounds)
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(ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ูˆุฃุตูˆุงุช ูƒู‡ุฑุจุงุฆูŠุฉ)
01:38
JA: Now it's around this time
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ูˆุงู„ุขู†ุŒ ููŠ ู…ุซู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง
01:39
that I would generally bring in the beautiful music, as I just did,
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ุฃู‚ูˆู…ุŒ ุจุดูƒู„ ุนุงู…ุŒ ุจุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠู„ุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ูุนู„ุช ู‚ุจู„ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุŒ
01:43
and you'd start to get that warm feeling.
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ุซู… ุชุจุฏุคูˆุง ุจุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุดุงุนุฑ ุงู„ุฏุงูุฆุฉ.
01:45
A feeling, that we know from science,
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ุดุนูˆุฑุŒ ู†ุนุฑู ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุŒ
01:46
kind of localizes in your head and chest
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ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุณุชู‚ุฑ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ููŠ ุฑุฃุณูƒ ูˆุตุฏุฑูƒุŒ
01:48
and spreads through your body.
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูŠู†ุชุดุฑ ููŠ ุฌุณุฏูƒ
01:50
It's that feeling of wonder.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุฏู‡ุดุฉ.
01:51
From 2002 to 2010, I did hundreds of these stories.
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ู‚ู…ุช ุจุณุฑุฏ ุงู„ู…ุฆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ุงู„ู…ุดุงุจู‡ุฉุŒ ู…ู† ุนุงู… 2002 ูˆุญุชู‰ ุนุงู… 2010.
01:56
Sciency, neurosciency, very heady, brainy stories
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ู‚ุตุต ุดูŠู‚ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู…ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ุงู„ุนุตุจูŠุฉุŒ
02:00
that would always resolve into that feeling of wonder.
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ู…ู† ุดุฃู†ู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชุฏูุนูƒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุฏู‡ุดุฉ
02:03
And I began to see that as my job,
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ูุจุฏุฃุช ุฃุฑุงู‡ุง ู…ู‡ู…ุชูŠุŒ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฅู„ู‰ ู„ุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุฏู‡ุดุฉ.
02:05
to lead people to moments of wonder.
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02:08
What that sounded like was:
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ูˆุจุฏุง ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ุญูˆ:
02:09
(Various voices) "Huh!" "Wow!" "Wow!"
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(ุฃุตูˆุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ) "ู‡ุงู‡" "ูˆุงูˆ!" "ูˆุงูˆ!"
"ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุฐู‡ู„."
02:14
"That's amazing."
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"ูˆุงูˆ!" "ูˆุงูˆ!"
02:15
"Whoa!" "Wow!"
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02:17
JA: But I began to get kind of tired of these stories.
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ูˆู„ูƒู†ุŒ ุจุฏุฃุช ุฃุถุฌุฑ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุต
02:20
I mean, partially, it was the repetition.
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ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ูƒุงู†ุŒ ุฌุฒุฆูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุจุณุจุจ ุงู„ุชูƒุฑุงุฑ.
02:22
I remember there was a day I was sitting at the computer,
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ุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ููŠ ูŠูˆู… ุฌุงู„ุณู‹ุง ุฃู…ุงู… ุงู„ุญุงุณูˆุจ
ุฃุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุตูˆุช ู„ู„ุฎู„ุงูŠุง ุงู„ุนุตุจูŠุฉ.
02:25
making the sound of a neuron.
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02:26
(Crackling sound)
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(ุตูˆุช ุชุดู‚ู‚)
ุฃุถูŠู ุตูˆุช ุถูˆุถุงุก ุจูŠุถุงุก ุซู… ุฃู‚ุณู…ู‡ุงุŒ
02:28
You know, take some white noise, chop it up, very easy sound to make.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ุตูˆุช ุณู‡ู„ ุงู„ุฅุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
ูˆุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฃููƒุฑ: โ€œู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ู…ุช ุจุฅุนุฏุงุฏ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตูˆุช 25 ู…ุฑุฉ.โ€
02:31
I remember thinking, "I have made this sound 25 times."
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02:35
But it was more than that --
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
02:37
there was a familiar path to these stories.
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ูู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุณุงุฑ ู…ุฃู„ูˆู ู„ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ุตุต.
02:39
You walk the path of truth, which is made of science,
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ุชุณู„ูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู†ุจุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ู…
02:41
and you get to wonder.
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ูุชุชุณุงุกู„
02:43
Now, I love science, don't get me wrong.
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ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฅู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุญุจ ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุŒ ู„ุง ุชุณูŠุฆูˆุง ูู‡ู…ูŠ.
02:45
My parents emigrated from a war-torn country,
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ู‡ุงุฌุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฏุงูŠ ู…ู† ุจู„ุฏ ุฏู…ุฑุชู‡ ุงู„ุญุฑูˆุจ.
02:47
came to America,
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ุฌุงุกูˆุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒุง.
02:48
and science for them was, like, more their identity than anything else,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุงู„ุนู„ู… ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ู… ู‡ูˆูŠุชู‡ู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ุขุฎุฑ
02:53
and I inherited that from them.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ูˆุฑุซุช ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู†ู‡ู….
02:56
But there was something about that simple movement
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ู„ูƒู† ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃู…ุฑ ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุญุฑูƒุฉ ุงู„ุจุณูŠุทุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ู… ูˆุงู„ุชุณุงุคู„ุŒ
02:58
from science to wonder
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ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠ ุจุฏุง ู„ูŠ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฎุงุทุฆ.
03:00
that just started to feel wrong to me.
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03:01
Like, is that the only path a story can take?
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ูู‡ู„ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุฑ ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู† ู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุฃู† ุชุณู„ูƒู‡ุŸ
03:04
Around 2012,
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ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู… 2012ุŒ
03:06
I ran into a bunch of different stories that made me think, "No."
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ุตุงุฏูุชู†ูŠ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุฌุนู„ุชู†ูŠ ุฃููƒุฑุŒ โ€œู„ุงโ€œ.
03:11
One story in particular,
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ููŠ ู‚ุตุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ
03:12
where we interviewed a guy who described chemical weapons
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ู‚ุงุจู„ู†ุง ููŠู‡ุง ุฑุฌู„ุงู‹
ูˆุตู ู„ู†ุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุฃุณู„ุญุฉ ุงู„ูƒูŠู…ูŠุงุฆูŠุฉ ุถุฏู‡ ูˆุฑูุงู‚ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุฑูˆูŠูŠู†
03:16
being used against him and his fellow villagers
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03:19
in the mountains of Laos.
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ููŠ ุฌุจุงู„ ู„ุงูˆุณ.
03:20
Western scientists went there,
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ุฐู‡ุจ ุนู„ู…ุงุก ุบุฑุจูŠูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ
03:22
measured for chemical weapons, didn't find any.
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ู‚ุงุณูˆุง ูƒู…ูŠุงุช ุงู„ุฃุณู„ุญุฉ ุงู„ู†ูˆูˆูŠุฉุŒ ูˆู„ู… ูŠุนุซุฑูˆุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ู†ู‡ุง.
03:25
We interviewed the man about this,
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ู‚ุงุจู„ู†ุง ุงู„ุฑุฌู„ ุนู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุŒ
03:26
he said the scientists were wrong.
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ูู‚ุงู„ ุฃู† ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุงุก ุฎุงุทุฆูˆู†. ู‚ู„ู†ุง: โ€œู„ูƒู†ู‡ู… ู‚ุงู…ูˆุง ุจุงุฎุชุจุงุฑุงุช.โ€
03:28
We said, "But they tested."
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03:29
He said, "I don't care, I know what happened to me."
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ู‚ุงู„: "ู„ุง ูŠู‡ู…ู†ูŠุŒ ุฃุนุฑู ู…ุง ุญุตู„ ู„ูŠ."
03:32
And we went back and forth and back and forth,
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ูˆุฐู‡ุจู†ุง ุฐู‡ุงุจู‹ุง ูˆุฅูŠุงุจู‹ุง ู„ู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฑุงุชุŒ
03:34
and make a long story short,
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ูˆู„ูƒูŠ ุงุฎุชุตุฑ ุนู„ูŠูƒู… ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉุŒ
03:36
the interview ended in tears.
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ุงู†ุชู‡ุช ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ุฉ ุจุฏู…ูˆุน.
03:38
I felt ...
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ุดุนุฑุช...
03:40
I felt horrible.
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ุดุนุฑุช ุจุงู„ูุธุงุนุฉ.
03:43
Like, hammering at a scientific truth, when someone has suffered.
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ุงู„ุฅู„ุญุงุญ ุนู„ู‰ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุนู„ู…ูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุญุณุงุจ ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ุฃุญุฏู‡ู…
03:47
That wasn't going to heal anything.
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ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ูŠุดููŠ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก.
03:49
And maybe I was relying too much on science to find the truth.
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ูˆุฑุจู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุนุชู…ุฏ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุจุงู„ุบ ููŠู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุนู„ู… ู„ุฃุฌุฏ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
03:53
And it really did feel, at that moment,
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ูˆู„ู‚ุฏ ุดุนุฑุช ุจุงู„ูุนู„ุŒ ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉุŒ ุจูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู‚ุงุฆู‚ ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉุŒ
03:55
that there were a lot of truths in the room,
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03:57
and we were only looking at one of them.
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ูˆู„ู… ู†ูƒู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ู…ู†ู‡ู….
03:59
So I thought, "I've got to get better at this."
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ู„ุฐุง ููƒุฑุช: "ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุฃูุถู„ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ."
04:02
And so for the next eight years,
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ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุชุนู‡ุฏุช ุนู„ู‰ ู†ูุณูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุซู…ุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุจุนุช
04:03
I committed myself to doing stories where you heard truths collide.
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ุฃู† ุฃุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‚ุตุต ุชุชุตุงุฏู… ููŠู‡ุง ุงู„ุญู‚ุงุฆู‚
04:07
We did stories about the politics of consent,
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ุนู…ู„ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุตุต ุนู† ุณูŠุงุณุงุช ุงู„ู…ูˆุงูู‚ุฉุŒ
04:09
where you heard the perspective of survivors and perpetrators
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ุญูŠุซ ุชุณู…ุน ููŠู‡ุง ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ู…ู† ู…ู†ุธูˆุฑ ุงู„ู†ุงุฌูŠู† ูˆู…ุฑุชูƒุจูŠ ุงู„ุฌุฑุงุฆู…
04:12
whose narratives clashed.
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ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุชุตุงุฏู…ุช ุฑูˆุงูŠุงุชู‡ู….
04:13
We did stories about race,
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ุนู…ู„ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุตุต ุนู† ุงู„ุนุฑู‚
04:14
how black men are systematically eliminated from juries,
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ูˆูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุฎู„ุต ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุณูˆุฏ ู…ู† ู‡ูŠุฆุงุช ุงู„ู…ุญู„ููŠู† ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ู†ู‡ุฌูŠ.
04:17
and yet, the rules that try and prevent that from happening
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ูˆุงู„ู‚ูˆุงุนุฏ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุง ุชู…ู†ุน ุญุฏูˆุซ ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุฌุนู„ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุณูˆุกู‹ุง
04:20
only make things worse.
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ุนู…ู„ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุตุต ุนู† ู…ูƒุงูุญุฉ ุงู„ุฅุฑู‡ุงุจุŒ ูˆู…ุนุชู‚ู„ูŠ ุณุฌู† ุฌูˆุงู†ุชุงู†ุงู…ูˆ.
04:21
Stories about counter terrorism, Guantanamo detainees,
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ู‚ุตุต ุญูŠุซ ูŠูƒูˆู† ูƒู„ ุดูŠ ู…ุญู„ ุฎู„ุงูุŒ
04:24
stories where everything is disputed,
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ูƒู„ ู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู†ุถุงู„ ู„ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ูƒู„ุงู…ูƒ ู…ุนู†ู‰
04:25
all you can do is struggle to try and make sense.
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04:28
And this struggle kind of became the point.
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ุงู„ู†ุถุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุฃุตุจุญ ุจูŠุช ุงู„ู‚ุตูŠุฏ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง
ุจุฏุฃุช ุฃููƒุฑุŒ "ุฑุจู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุนู…ู„ูŠ."
04:32
I began to think, "Maybe that's my job."
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04:34
To lead people to moments of struggle.
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ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฅู„ู‰ ู„ุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน.
ุฅู„ูŠูƒ ู…ุง ุจุฏุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุฐู„ูƒ:
04:37
Here's what that sounded like:
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04:38
(Various voices) "But I see -- I, like --"
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(ุฃุตูˆุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ) "ู„ูƒู† ุฃุฑู‰ ุฃู†--ุŒ ุฃู†ุง--"
04:40
"Uh, I --" (Sighs)
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"ุขู‡ุŒ ุฃู†ุง--" (ุชู†ู‡ุฏ)
04:41
"Well, so, like, huh --"
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"ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ุฐุงุŒ ุขู‡ --"
04:43
"That, I mean, I --"
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โ€œุฅู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุŒ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุฃู†ุง --โ€
04:45
"You know -- golly -- I --" (Sighs)
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"ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู… -- ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠ -- ุฃู†ุง --" (ุชู†ู‡ุฏ)
04:49
JA: And that sigh right there,
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุชู†ู‡ูŠุฏุฉ ู‡ู†ุงุŒ
04:52
I wanted to hear that sound in every single story,
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ุฃุฑุฏุช ุณู…ุงุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุตูˆุช ููŠ ูƒู„ ู‚ุตุฉุŒ
04:55
because that sound is kind of our current moment, right?
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ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตูˆุช ู‡ูˆ ู„ุญุธุชู†ุง ุงู„ุฑุงู‡ู†ุฉ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
04:58
We live in a world where truth is no longer just a set of facts
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ู†ุนูŠุด ููŠ ุนุงู„ู… ู„ู… ุชุนุฏ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ููŠู‡ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู‚ุงุฆู‚ ู„ุชูˆุซู‚.
05:02
to be captured.
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05:03
It's become a process.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุตุจุญุช ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ.
05:04
It's gone from being a noun to being a verb.
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ุชุญูˆู„ุช ู…ู† ุงุณู… ุฅู„ู‰ ูุนู„.
05:07
But how do you end that story?
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ู„ูƒู†ุŒ ูƒูŠู ู„ูƒ ุฃู† ุชู†ู‡ูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉุŸ
05:09
Like, what literally kept happening is we'd be, you know, telling a story,
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ู…ุง ุงุณุชู…ุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุญุฏูˆุซุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ู†ุณุฑุฏ ู„ู„ู‚ุตุตุŒ
05:13
cruising along, two viewpoints in conflict,
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ู†ุทุฑุญ ูˆุฌู‡ุชูŠ ู†ุธุฑ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุชุงู†ุŒ
05:15
you get to the end and it's just like --
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ุชุตู„ ู„ู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ู…ุฌุฑุฏ --
05:18
No, let me see.
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ู„ุงุŒ ุฏุนู†ูŠ ุฃุฑู‰.
05:19
What do I say at the end?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉุŸ
05:20
Oh, my God.
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ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠ.
05:21
What do you -- how do you end that story?
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ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ -- ูƒูŠู ุนุณุงูƒ ุฃู† ุชู†ู‡ูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉุŸ
05:23
You can't just happily-ever-after it,
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชู†ู‡ูŠู‡ุง ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุณุนูŠุฏุฉ.
05:25
because that doesn't feel real.
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ู„ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠู‹ุง.
05:27
At the same time,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุฐุงุชู‡ุŒ ู„ูˆ ุชุฑูƒุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนุงู„ู‚ูŠู† ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ
05:28
if you just leave people in that stuck place,
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05:30
like, "Why did I just listen to that?"
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ู…ุชุณุงุฆู„ูŠู†: "ู…ุง ุณุจุจ ุงุณุชู…ุงุนูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุงุŸ"
05:32
Like, it felt like there had to be another move there.
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ุดุนุฑุช ุจูˆุฌูˆุจ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุญุฑูƒุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู‡ู†ุง.
05:35
Had to be a way beyond the struggle.
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ุชุญุชู… ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน.
05:37
And this is what brings me to Dolly.
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ูŠุฃุชูŠ ุฏูˆุฑ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ู‡ู†ุง.
05:42
Or Saint Dolly, as we like to call her in the South.
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู‚ุฏูŠุณุฉ ุฏูˆู„ูŠุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู†ุญุจ ุฃู† ู†ุฏุนูˆู‡ุง ู†ุญู† ููŠ ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุจ.
05:44
I want to tell you about one little glimmer of an epiphany that I had,
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุฎุจุฑูƒู… ุนู† ุจุตูŠุต ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅู„ู‡ุงู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฌุงุฆู†ูŠ
05:48
doing a nine-part series called "Dolly Parton's America" last year.
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ุฃุซู†ุงุก ุนู…ู„ูŠ ุนู„ู‰ โ€œุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒุง ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุจุงุฑุชูˆู†โ€œ ุณู„ุณุฉ ู…ู† ุชุณุนุฉ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู… ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ
05:51
It was a bit of a departure for me,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจู…ุซุงุจุฉ ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ุฅู„ูŠ
05:53
but I just had this intuition that Dolly could help me
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู†ุชุงุจู†ูŠ ุดุนูˆุฑ
ุฃู† ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุจูˆุณุนู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชุณุงุนุฏู†ูŠ ููŠ ุญู„ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ู‡ุฐู‡.
05:56
figure out this ending problem.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุญุฏุณ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ:
05:58
And here was the basic intuition:
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ุชุฐู‡ุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญูู„ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ูŠุŒ
06:00
You go to a Dolly concert,
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ูุชุฑู‰ ุฑุฌุงู„ุงู‹ ูŠุฑุชุฏูˆู† ู‚ุจุนุงุช ุณุงุฆู‚ูŠ ุงู„ุดุงุญู†ุงุช
06:01
you see men in trucker hats standing next to men in drag,
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ูŠู‚ููˆู† ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ุจู…ู„ุงุจุณ ู†ุณุงุฆูŠุฉุŒ
06:04
Democrats standing next to Republicans,
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ุฏูŠู…ูˆู‚ุฑุงุทูŠูŠู† ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ุฌู…ู‡ูˆุฑูŠูŠู†ุŒ
ู†ุณุงุก ูŠู…ุณูƒู† ุงู„ุฃูŠุฏูŠุŒ
06:06
women holding hands,
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06:07
every different kind of person smashed together.
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ูƒู„ ู†ูˆุน ู…ุฎุชู„ู ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ููŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆุงุญุฏ.
06:09
All of these people that we are told should hate each other
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ุฌู…ูŠุน ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠู‚ุงู„ ู„ู†ุง ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุงุจุฏ ุฃู† ูŠูƒุฑู‡ ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถ
ู…ุชูˆุงุฌุฏูŠู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูŠุบู†ูˆู† ู…ุนู‹ุง.
06:12
are there singing together.
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06:14
She somehow carved out this unique space in America,
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ุงู‚ุชุทุนุช [ุฏูˆู„ูŠ] ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุง ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ุงู„ู…ู…ูŠุฒุฉ ููŠ ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒุงุŒ
06:17
and I wanted to know, how did she do that?
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ูˆุฃุฑุฏุช ุฃู†ุง ุฃู† ุฃุนุฑู ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ู‚ูŠุงู…ู‡ุง ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
ู„ุฐุง ู‚ุงุจู„ุช ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ู„ุงุซู†ุชูŠ ุนุดุฑุฉ ู…ุฑุฉ ููŠ ู‚ุงุฑุชูŠู† ู…ู†ูุตู„ุชูŠู†.
06:20
So I interviewed Dolly 12 times, two separate continents.
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06:24
She started every interview this way:
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ุจุฏุฃุช ูƒู„ ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ุฉ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ:
06:26
(Audio) Dolly Parton: Ask me whatever you ask me,
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(ุชุณุฌูŠู„) ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุจุงุฑุชูˆู†: ุงุณุฃู„ู†ูŠ ุนู† ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก
ูˆุณุฃุฎุจุฑูƒ ุจู…ุง ุชุฑุบุจ ุณู…ุงุนู‡.
06:28
and I'm going to tell you what I want you to hear.
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(ุถุญูƒ)
06:31
(Laughter)
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06:32
JA: She is undeniably a force of nature.
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ุฌุงุฏ ุฃุจูˆ ู…ุฑุงุฏ: ู‡ูŠ ุจู„ุง ุดูƒ ู‚ูˆุฉ ู…ู† ู‚ูˆู‰ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุนุฉ
06:34
But the problem that I ran into
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุงุฌู‡ุชู†ูŠุŒ
06:37
is that I had chosen a conceit for this series
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ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุงุชุฎุฐุช ู‚ุฑุงุฑู‹ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณู„ุณู„ุฉุŒ
06:41
that my soul had trouble with.
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ู„ู… ูŠุฑุชุงุญ ู„ู‡ ู‚ู„ุจูŠ.
06:44
Dolly sings a lot about the South.
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ุฅู† ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุชุบู†ูŠ ุนู† ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุจ ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุง.
06:46
If you go through her discography,
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ู„ูˆ ุงุณุชู…ุนุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุฅุตุฏุงุฑุงุชู‡ุง ุงู„ูู†ูŠุฉ
06:47
you will hear song after song about Tennessee.
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ุณุชุณู…ุน ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃุบุงู†ูŠ ุนุฏูŠุฏุฉ ุนู† ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ
06:49
(Music) DP: (Singing, various songs) Tennessee, Tennessee...
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(ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰) ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุจุงุฑุชูˆู†: (ุบู†ุงุกุŒ ุฃุบุงู†ูŠ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ) โ€œุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠโ€ โ€œุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠโ€
06:52
Tennessee homesick ...
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ุงู„ุญู†ูŠู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ...
06:55
I've got those Tennessee homesick blues runnin' through my head.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุดุนุฑุช ุจุงู„ุญู†ูŠู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆุทู† ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ูŠุนุตู ููŠ ุฑุฃุณูŠ.
07:00
Tennessee.
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ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ.
07:01
JA: "Tennessee Mountain Home," "Tennessee Mountain Memories."
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ุฌุงุฏ: โ€œู…ูˆุทู†ูŠ ุฌุจู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠโ€œ. โ€œุฐูƒุฑูŠุงุช ุฌุจู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠโ€œ.
07:04
Now I grew up in Tennessee,
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ุงู„ุขู† ู†ุดุฃุช ููŠ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠุŒ
07:06
and I felt no nostalgia for that place.
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ูˆุดุนุฑุช ุจุงู„ุญู†ูŠู† ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†.
07:08
I was the scrawny Arab kid
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ูƒู†ุช ุงู„ูุชู‰ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠ ุงู„ู†ุญูŠู„
07:11
who came from the place that invented suicide bombing.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฌุงุก ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุงุฎุชุฑุน ุงู„ุชูุฌูŠุฑ ุงู„ุงู†ุชุญุงุฑูŠ.
07:14
I spent a lot of time in my room.
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ู‚ุถูŠุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ููŠ ุบุฑูุชูŠ.
07:17
When I left Nashville,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุบุงุฏุฑุช ู†ุงุดููŠู„ุŒ
07:18
I left.
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ุบุงุฏุฑุช.
07:20
I remember being at Dollywood,
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ุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ููŠ ุฏูˆู„ูŠูˆูˆุฏุŒ
07:22
standing in front of a replica, replica of her Tennessee Mountain Home.
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ูˆู‚ูุช ุฃู…ุงู… ู†ุณุฎุฉ ุทุจู‚ ุงู„ุฃุตู„ ู…ู† ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡ุง ููŠ ุฌุจู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ.
07:26
People all around me were crying.
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ูŠ ูŠุจูƒูˆู†.
07:27
This is a set.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู†ุธุฑ.
07:30
Why are you crying?
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุชุจูƒูˆู†ุŸ
07:31
I couldn't understand why they were so emotional,
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ู„ู… ุฃุณุชุทุน ุฃู† ุฃูู‡ู… ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ุนุงุทููŠูŠู† ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉุŒ
07:34
especially given my relationship to the South.
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ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนู„ุงู‚ุชูŠ ุจุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุจ.
07:37
And I started to honestly have panic attacks about this.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุจุฏุฃุช ุฃุตุงุจ ุจู†ูˆุจุงุช ู‡ู„ุน ุจุดุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
โ€œุฃู„ุณุช ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจ ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุดุฑูˆุนุŸโ€
07:40
"Am I not the right person for this project?"
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07:43
But then ...
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ...
07:45
twist of fate.
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ุณุฎุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑ.
07:46
We meet this guy, Bryan Seaver,
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ู†ู„ุชู‚ูŠ ุจู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฑุฌู„ุŒ ุจุฑูŠุงู† ุณูŠูุฑุŒ
07:48
Dolly's nephew and bodyguard.
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ุงุจู† ุฃุฎ ุฏูˆู„ู„ูŠ ูˆุงู„ุญุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠ.
07:50
And on a whim, he drives producer Shima Oliaee and I
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ูˆููŠ ู†ุฒูˆุฉุŒ ู‚ุงุฏ ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุฌ ุดูŠู…ุง ุฃูˆู„ูŠุง ูˆุฃู†ุง
07:53
out of Dollywood,
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ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุฏูˆู„ูŠูˆูˆุฏุŒ
07:55
round the back side of the mountains,
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ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุฎู„ููŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุจุงู„ุŒ
07:57
up the mountains 20 minutes,
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ุฃุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุจุงู„ ู„ู…ุฏุฉ 20 ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุฉุŒ
07:58
down a narrow dirt road,
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ุฃุณูู„ ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุชุฑุงุจูŠ ุถูŠู‚ุŒ
08:00
through giant wooden gates that look right out of "Game of Thrones,"
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ุนุจุฑ ุจูˆุงุจุงุช ุฎุดุจูŠุฉ ุนู…ู„ุงู‚ุฉ ุชุจุฏูˆ ุฎุงุฑุฌ โ€œู„ุนุจุฉ ุงู„ุนุฑูˆุดโ€ุŒ
08:03
and into the actual Tennessee Mountain Home.
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ูˆููŠ ู…ู†ุฒู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ุงู„ูุนู„ูŠ.
08:09
But the real place.
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠ.
08:10
Valhalla.
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ูุงู„ู‡ุงู„ุง.
08:11
The real Tennessee Mountain Home.
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ู…ู†ุฒู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠ.
08:13
And I'm going to score this part with Wagner,
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ูˆุณุฃุญุฑุฒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ู…ุน ูุงุบู†ุฑุŒ
08:15
because you've got to understand,
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชูู‡ู…ุŒ
08:17
in Tennessee lore,
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ููŠ ุชู‚ุงู„ูŠุฏ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠุŒ
08:18
this is like hallowed ground, the Tennessee Mountain Home.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุฏุณุฉุŒ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ู…ุงูˆู†ุชู† ู‡ูˆู….
08:21
So I remember standing there, on the grass,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูˆู‚ูุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุนุดุจุŒ
08:23
next to the Pigeon River,
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ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ู†ู‡ุฑ ุงู„ุญู…ุงู…ุŒ
08:25
butterflies doing loopty loops in the air,
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ุงู„ูุฑุงุดุงุช ุชู‚ูˆู… ุจุญู„ู‚ุงุช ุฏุงุฆุฑูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู‡ูˆุงุกุŒ
08:28
and I had my own moment of wonder.
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ู„ุญุธุชูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนุฌุจ.
ูŠุจุฏูˆ ู…ู†ุฒู„ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ููŠ ุฌุจู„ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ
08:31
Dolly's Tennessee Mountain Home
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08:33
looks exactly like my dad's home in the mountains of Lebanon.
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ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู…ุซู„ ู…ู†ุฒู„ ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ููŠ ุฌุจุงู„ ู„ุจู†ุงู†.
08:38
Her house looks just like the place that he left.
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ูŠุจุฏูˆ ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡ุง ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุบุงุฏุฑู‡.
08:42
And that simple bit of layering led me to have a conversation with him
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ู‚ุงุฏู†ูŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุจุณูŠุท ู…ู† ุงู„ุทุจู‚ุงุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุฅุฌุฑุงุก ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ ู…ุนู‡
08:45
that I'd never had before,
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ู„ู… ุฃุฌุฑูŠู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ุŒ
08:46
about the pain he felt leaving his home.
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ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุดุนุฑ ุจู‡ ูˆู‡ูˆ ูŠุบุงุฏุฑ ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡.
ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠุณู…ุน ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ.
08:49
And how he hears that in Dolly's music.
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08:51
Then I had a conversation with Dolly where she described her songs
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ุซู… ุฃุฌุฑูŠุช ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ ู…ุน ุฏูˆู„ู„ูŠ ุญูŠุซ ูˆุตูุช ุฃุบุงู†ูŠู‡ุง
08:54
as migration music.
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ุจุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ู‡ุฌุฑุฉ.
08:56
Even that classic song,
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ุญุชู‰ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃุบู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ูƒู„ุงุณูŠูƒูŠุฉ
08:58
"Tennessee Mountain Home," if you listen to it --
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โ€œุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ู…ุงูˆู†ุชู† ู‡ูˆู…โ€ ุฅุฐุง ุงุณุชู…ุนุช ุฅู„ูŠู‡ -
09:01
(Dolly Parton "Tennessee Mountain Home")
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(ุฏูˆู„ู„ูŠ ุจุงุฑุชูˆู† โ€œุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ ู…ุงูˆู†ุชู† ู‡ูˆู…โ€œ)
09:03
"Sittin' on the front porch on a summer afternoon
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โ€œุฃุฌู„ุณ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุฑูุฉ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู…ูŠุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุธู‡ุฑ ุฃุญุฏ ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุตูŠู
09:08
In a straight-backed chair on two legs,
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ููŠ ูƒุฑุณูŠ ุจุธู‡ุฑ ู…ุณุชู‚ูŠู… ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุฏู…ูŠู†ุŒ
09:12
leaned against the wall."
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ู…ุชูƒุฆุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญุงุฆุทโ€œ.
09:17
It's about trying to capture a moment that you know is already gone.
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ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชู‚ุงุท ู„ุญุธุฉ ุชุนู„ู… ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู‚ุฏ ูˆู„ุช ุจุงู„ูุนู„.
09:21
But if you can paint it, vividly,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูƒ ุฑุณู…ู‡ุง ุจูˆุถูˆุญุŒ
09:24
maybe you can freeze it in place, almost like in resin,
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ูุฑุจู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุชุฌู…ูŠุฏู‡ุง ููŠ ู…ูƒุงู†ู‡ุงุŒ ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุฑุงุชู†ุฌุŒ
09:28
trapped between past and present.
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ุงู„ู…ุญุงุตุฑูˆู† ุจูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ ูˆุงู„ุญุงุถุฑ.
09:31
That is the immigrant experience.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุงู„ู‡ุฌุฑุฉ.
09:33
And that simple thought led me to a million conversations.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ู‚ุงุฏู†ูŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ููƒุฑ ุงู„ุจุณูŠุท ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ.
09:36
I started talking to musicologists about country music as a whole.
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ุจุฏุฃุช ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนู„ู…ุงุก ุงู„ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ุญูˆู„ ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ุงู„ุฑูŠู ูƒูƒู„.
09:40
This genre that I've always felt so
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ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุทุงู„ู…ุง ุดุนุฑุช ุฃู†ู‡
09:43
having nothing to do with where I came from
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ู„ุง ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู„ู‡ ุจุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุชูŠุช ู…ู†ู‡
09:45
is actually made up of instruments and musical styles
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ู‡ูˆ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู…ูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุขู„ุงุช ูˆุฃู†ู…ุงุท ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ูŠุฉ
09:48
that came directly from the Middle East.
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ุฃุชุช ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุดุฑู‚ ุงู„ุฃูˆุณุท.
09:50
In fact, there were trade routes that ran from what is now Lebanon
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑู‚ ุชุฌุงุฑูŠุฉ ุชู…ุชุฏ ู…ู† ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุขู† ู„ุจู†ุงู†
09:54
right up into the mountains of East Tennessee.
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ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌุจุงู„ ุดุฑู‚ ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ.
ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุจุตุฑุงุญุฉุŒ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆู ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ูˆุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡ุงุŒ
09:57
I can honestly say, standing there, looking at her home,
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10:00
was the first time I felt like I'm a Tennessean.
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ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุดุนุฑุช ููŠู‡ุง ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู…ู† ุชูŠู†ูŠุณูŠ.
10:04
That is honestly true.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุตุญูŠุญ ุจุตุฏู‚.
10:06
And this wasn't a one-time thing,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู„ู…ุฑุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ
10:08
I mean, over and over again,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ุฑุงุฑู‹ุง ูˆุชูƒุฑุงุฑู‹ุงุŒ
10:09
she would force me beyond the simple categories
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ูƒุงู†ุช ุณุชุฌุจุฑู†ูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุฌุงูˆุฒ ุงู„ูุฆุงุช ุงู„ุจุณูŠุทุฉ
10:13
I had constructed for the world.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃู†ุดุฃุชู‡ุง ู„ู„ุนุงู„ู….
10:15
I remember talking with her about her seven-year partnership
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ุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ู…ุนู‡ุง ุนู† ุดุฑุงูƒุชู‡ุง ุงู„ุชูŠ ุงุณุชู…ุฑุช ุณุจุน ุณู†ูˆุงุช
10:18
with Porter Wagoner.
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ู…ุน ุจูˆุฑุชุฑ ูˆุงุฌู†ุฑ.
10:19
1967, she joins his band, he is the biggest thing in country music,
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ุนุงู… 1967ุŒ ุงู†ุถู…ุช ุฅู„ู‰ ูุฑู‚ุชู‡ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุดูŠุก ููŠ ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ู‰ ุงู„ุฑูŠูุŒ
10:23
she is a backup singer, a nobody.
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู…ุบู†ูŠุฉ ุงุญุชูŠุงุทูŠุฉุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ.
10:26
Within a short time, she gets huge,
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ููŠ ุบุถูˆู† ูˆู‚ุช ู‚ุตูŠุฑุŒ ุฃุตุจุญุช ู…ุดู‡ูˆุฑุฉุŒ
10:28
he gets jealous,
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ุชู…ู„ูƒุชู‡ ุงู„ุบูŠุฑุฉุŒ
10:29
he then sues her for three million dollars
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ุซู… ูŠู‚ุงุถูŠู‡ุง ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ
10:32
when she tries to leave.
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุบุงุฏุฑุฉ.
10:33
Now it would be really easy to see Porter Wagoner
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ุงู„ุขู† ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุณู‡ู„ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุจูˆุฑุชุฑ ูˆุงุฌู†ุฑ
10:36
as, like, a type: classic, patriarchal jackass,
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ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ุŒ ู…ุซู„ุŒ ู†ูˆุนุŒ ุญู…ุงุฑ ุฃุจูˆูŠ ูƒู„ุงุณูŠูƒูŠุŒ
10:40
trying to hold her back.
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ูŠุญุงูˆู„ ูƒุจุญู‡ุง.
10:41
But any time I would suggest that to her,
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ู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุฃูŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ุชุฑุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุงุŒ
10:43
like, come on.
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ู…ุซู„ุŒ ุชุนุงู„.
10:44
(Audio) This is a guy, I mean, you see it in the videos too,
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(ุตูˆุช) ู‡ุฐุง ุฑุฌู„ุŒ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุชุฑุงู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆู‡ุงุช ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ
10:47
he's got his arm around you.
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ูู‡ูˆ ูŠุญูŠุท ุจูƒ ุฐุฑุงุนู‡.
10:49
There's a power thing happening, for sure.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุก ู‚ูˆูŠ ูŠุญุฏุซ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ.
10:53
DP: Well, it's more complicated than that.
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ุฏูˆู„ู„ูŠ: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชุนู‚ูŠุฏู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
10:55
I mean, just think about it.
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ุฃู‚ุตุฏุŒ ูู‚ุท ููƒุฑ ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
10:57
He had had this show for years,
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ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนุฑุถ ู„ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ
10:59
he didn't need me to have his hit show.
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ูˆู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุนุฑุถู‡ ุงู„ู†ุงุฌุญ.
11:02
He wasn't expecting me to be all that I was, either.
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ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูŠุชูˆู‚ุน ู…ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ูƒู„ ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
11:06
I was a serious entertainer, he didn't know that.
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ูƒู†ุช ูู†ุงู†ุฉ ุฌุงุฏุฉุŒ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูŠุนุฑู ุฐู„ูƒ.
11:09
He didn't know how many dreams I had.
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ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูŠุนุฑู ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญู„ุงู… ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฑุงูˆุฏุชู†ูŠ.
11:12
JA: In effect, she kept telling me,
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ุฌุงุฏ: ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ุธู„ุช ุชุฎุจุฑู†ูŠุŒ
11:14
"Don't bring your stupid way of seeing the world into my story,
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โ€œู„ุง ุชุณุชุฎุฏู… ุทุฑูŠู‚ุชูƒ ุงู„ุบุจูŠุฉ ู„ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ููŠ ู‚ุตุชูŠุŒ
11:17
because that's not what it was.
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ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‡.
11:18
Yeah, there was power, but that's not all there was.
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ู†ุนู…ุŒ ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ูˆุฉุŒ ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ูƒู„ ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
11:21
You can't summarize this."
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุชู„ุฎูŠุต ู‡ุฐุงโ€œ.
11:25
Alright, just to zoom out.
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูู‚ุท ุจู†ุธุฑุฉ ุฃุดู…ู„.
11:27
What do I make of this?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ุฃูุนู„ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุงุŸ
11:28
Well, I think there's something in here that's a clue, a way forward.
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู…ุง ู‡ู†ุง ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฏู„ูŠู„ุŒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ ู„ู„ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุง.
11:32
As journalists, we love difference.
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ูƒุตุญููŠูŠู†ุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุญุจ ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงู.
11:34
We love to fetishize difference.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุญุจ ุฃู† ู†ุตู†ู‘ู ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงู.
11:35
But increasingly, in this confusing world,
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ู„ูƒู† ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุชุฒุงูŠุฏุŒ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ู…ุฑุจูƒุŒ
11:38
we need to be the bridge between those differences.
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ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฌุณุฑ ุจูŠู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงูุงุช.
11:41
But how do you do that?
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ู„ูƒู† ูƒูŠู ุชูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
11:43
I think for me, now, the answer is simple.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ุขู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุจุณูŠุทุฉ.
11:46
You interrogate those differences,
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ุฃู†ุช ุชุณุชุฌูˆุจ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงูุงุชุŒ
11:48
you hold them for as long as you can,
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ูˆุชุญุชูุธ ุจู‡ุง ู„ุฃุทูˆู„ ูุชุฑุฉ ู…ู…ูƒู†ุฉุŒ
ุญุชู‰ุŒ ู…ุซู„ ุฃุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฌุจู„ุŒ
11:51
until, like up on that mountain,
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11:54
something happens,
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ูŠุญุฏุซ ุดูŠุก ู…ุง
11:55
something reveals itself.
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ูˆูŠูƒุดู ุดูŠุก ู…ุง ุนู† ู†ูุณู‡.
11:57
Story cannot end in difference.
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุฃู† ุชู†ุชู‡ูŠ ุจุงุฎุชู„ุงู.
11:59
It's got to end in revelation.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠู†ุชู‡ูŠ ุจุงู„ูˆุญูŠ.
12:02
And coming back from that trip on the mountain,
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุนูˆุฏุชูŠ ู…ู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฑุญู„ุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุจู„ุŒ
12:05
a friend of mine gave me a book that gave this whole idea a name.
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ุฃุนุทุงู†ูŠ ุตุฏูŠู‚ ู„ูŠ ูƒุชุงุจู‹ุง ุฃุนุทู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ ุจุฃูƒู…ู„ู‡ุง ุงุณู…ู‹ุง.
12:08
In psychotherapy, there's this idea called the third,
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ููŠ ุงู„ุนู„ุงุฌ ุงู„ู†ูุณูŠุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ููƒุฑุฉ ุชุณู…ู‰ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซุฉุŒ
12:11
which essentially goes like this.
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ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ุญูˆ.
12:13
Typically, we think of ourselves as these autonomous units.
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ุนุงุฏุฉุŒ ู†ููƒุฑ ููŠ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ูˆุญุฏุงุช ู…ุณุชู‚ู„ุฉ.
12:16
I do something to you, you do something to me.
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ุฃูุนู„ ู„ูƒ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุช ุชูุนู„ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู„ูŠ.
12:19
But according to this theory, when two people come together
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ู„ูƒู† ูˆูู‚ู‹ุง ู„ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑูŠุฉุŒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุฌุชู…ุน ุดุฎุตุงู† ู…ุนู‹ุง
12:22
and really commit to seeing each other,
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ูˆูŠู„ุชุฒู…ุงู† ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุจุฑุคูŠุฉ ุจุนุถู‡ู…ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถุŒ
12:24
in that mutual act of recognition,
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ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู…ุชุจุงุฏู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุนุชุฑุงูุŒ
12:27
they actually make something new.
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ูุฅู†ู‡ู…ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ูŠุตู†ุนุงู† ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ุฌุฏูŠุฏู‹ุง.
12:29
A new entity that is their relationship.
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ูƒูŠุงู† ุฌุฏูŠุฏ ู‡ูˆ ุนู„ุงู‚ุชู‡ู….
ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุญูู„ุงุช ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุณูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ูƒู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ูุถุงุก ุงู„ุซู‚ุงููŠ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซ.
12:33
You can think of Dolly's concerts as sort of a cultural third space.
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12:37
The way she sees all the different parts of her audience,
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ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑู‰ ุจู‡ุง ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู…ู† ุฌู…ู‡ูˆุฑู‡ุงุŒ
12:39
the way they see her,
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ูˆุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุฑูˆู†ู‡ุง ุจู‡ุงุŒ
12:41
creates the spiritual architecture of that space.
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ุชุฎู„ู‚ ุงู„ุนู…ุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฑูˆุญูŠุฉ ู„ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุญุฉ.
12:45
And I think now that is my calling.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ุขู† ุฃู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุฑุณุงู„ุชูŠ.
12:48
That as a journalist,
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ูƒุตุญููŠุŒ
12:49
as a storyteller,
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ุฑุงูˆูŠ ู‚ุตุตุŒ
12:51
as just an American,
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ูƒุฃู…ูŠุฑูƒูŠ ูู‚ุทุŒ
12:53
living in a country struggling to hold,
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ูŠุนูŠุด ููŠ ุจู„ุฏ ูŠูƒุงูุญ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ุงุญุชูุงุธ ุจู‡ุŒ
12:57
that every story I tell has got to find the third.
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ุฃู† ูƒู„ ู‚ุตุฉ ุฃุฑูˆูŠู‡ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชุฌุฏ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซุฉ.
ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุญูŠุซ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุญุชูุธ ุจู‡ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ
13:01
That place where the things we hold as different
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13:04
resolve themselves into something new.
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ุชุญู„ ู†ูุณู‡ุง ููŠ ุดูŠุก ุฌุฏูŠุฏ.
13:07
Thank you.
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ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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