David Kelley: The future of design is human-centered

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譯者: Ashley Lin 審譯者: Zhu Jie
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There's a lot of exciting things happening in the design world
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設計界,尤其是IDEO, 在過去一年
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and at IDEO this past year,
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發生很多令人振奮的事
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and I'm pleased to get a chance to share some of those with you.
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我很榮幸和各位分享一下
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I didn't attend the first TED back in 1984
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我在1984年時沒參加到第一屆的TED
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but I've been to a lot of them since that time.
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但之後不勝枚舉
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I thought it [would] kind of be interesting to think back to that time
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如果回顧Richard發起TED的這段時間,
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when Richard got the whole thing started. Thank you very much, Richard;
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其實挺有趣的。在此,謝謝Richard。
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it's been a big, enjoyable part of my life, coming here.
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我參加TED,是人生中很盛大的經驗
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And so thinking back, I was thinking
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所以當我回想時,我發現
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those of us in Silicon Valley were really focused on products or objects --
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我們矽谷人,真的很投入在產品跟事物
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certainly technological objects.
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最主要還是科技用品
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And so it was great fun in those days, and some of those of you
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當時真的是很好玩。在座有些人
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who are in the audience were my clients.
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還曾是我的客戶
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We'd come in with some prototype underneath a black cloth
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我們會把模型藏在一塊黑布下
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and we'd put it on the conference table,
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放在會議室的桌上
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and we'd pull off the black cloth and everybody would "ooh" and "ah."
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打開它,就會聽到大家“哇”的驚嘆
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That was a really good time.
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那是一段很美好的時光
01:21
And so we'll continue to focus on products, as we always have.
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我們不斷致力于產品的開發,一如往常
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And if you were here last year,
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如果各位去年也有來
01:29
I probably wrestled you to the floor and tried to show you my new EyeModule 2,
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我可能有逼大家去看我的新作品EyeModule 2
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which was a camera that plugged into the Handspring.
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我把照相機嵌入這臺Handspring的PDA
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And I took a lot of pictures last year;
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我還照了很多相片
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very few people knew what I was up to, but I took a lot of pictures.
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很多照片,但很少人知道我的用意
01:43
This year -- maybe you could show the slides --
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今年,(麻煩放一下投影片)
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this year we're carrying this Treo, which we had a lot to do with
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今年我們要幫Handspring設計這臺Treo
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and helped Handspring design it.
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有很多工作得做
01:53
Also, though we designed it a few years ago --
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儘管我們幾年前就設計過了
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it's just become ubiquitous in the last year or so --
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去年起又開始流行
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this Heartstream defibrillator which is saving lives.
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這個急救用的Heartstream心律除顫儀
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Maybe you've seen them in the airports? They seem to be everywhere now.
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也許你們在機場有看過?現在好像到處都有
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Lots of lives are being saved by those.
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救了很多命
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And, we're just about to announce the Zinio Reader product
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接下來,我們準備要發表Zinio閱讀器
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that I believe will make magazines even more enjoyable to read.
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我相信將會使人更享受閱讀雜誌
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So, we really will continue to focus on products.
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所以,我們將持續致力于產品設計
02:18
But something's happened in the last 18 years since Richard started TED,
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但自Richard成立TED後這18年,在我們這群人身上
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and that's that people like us --
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經歷了一些事
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I know people in other places have caught onto this for a long time,
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我知道世界上某些地方長期以來也都有相同經驗
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but for us, we've really just started ... we've kind of
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對馬斯洛的需求層級而言,我們才真正
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climbed Maslow's hierarchy a little bit --
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開始要往上爬
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and so we're now focused more and more on human-centered design,
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所以現在的我們越來越致力在以人為本的設計
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human-centeredness in an approach to design.
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設計其中一法就是以人為中心
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That really involves designing behaviors and personality into products.
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也就是設計產品時,把行為跟個性融入
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And I think you're starting to see that,
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我相信你將發現
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and it's making our job even more enjoyable.
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這讓我們更享受我們的工作
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Interestingly enough, we used to primarily build 3-D models --
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有趣的是,我們過去主要建立3D模型
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you know, you've seen some today -- and 3-D renderings.
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大家知道,就是現今常見的3D圖
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Then we'd go and we'd show those as communicating our ideas.
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然後我們會用來表達我們的點子
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But firms like ours are having to move to a point where
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但像我們這樣的公司必須突破
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we get those objects that we're designing and get them in motion,
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我們把我們設計的物件動起來
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showing how they'll be used.
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展示他們的用途
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And so in order to do that we've been forming
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而要做到如此,我們成立了
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internal video-production groups
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公司內部的制片團隊
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in order to make these kind of experience prototypes
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為了要表達所謂的人跟物的連結
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that show just what we mean about the man-machine relationship.
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我們創造這種體驗型的樣品
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And it's a much better way to see.
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這樣就使人更容易體會
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It's kind of like architects who show people in their houses,
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有點像是建築師與其給人看圖
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as opposed to them being empty.
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還不如直接讓他們看成品屋
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So I thought that I would show you a few videos
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我接下來要讓各位看的幾段影片
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to show off this new, broader definition
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呈現出在產品,服務跟環境的設計上
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of design in products and services and environments.
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已經有新的且更寬廣的定義
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I have a few of them -- they're no more than a minute
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這幾段影片不到一分鐘
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or a minute-and-a-half apiece --
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或頂多一分半
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but I thought you might be interested in seeing some of our
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大家應該會對影片中,我們去年的一些成果
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work over the last year, and how it responds in video.
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感到有趣,及其所造成的回響
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So, Prada New York: we were asked by Rem Koolhaas
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首先,紐約Prada,Rem Koolhaas 跟OMA找上我們
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and OMA to help us conceive the technology
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要讓人們接受這樣的科技
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that's in their retail store in New York.
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這是紐約的專賣店
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He wanted a new kind of store -- a new one --
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他想要一種新的店,全新的
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a store that had a cultural role as well as a retail one.
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概念店要有賦予專賣店其文化角色
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And that meant actually designing custom technology
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也就是說與其只是從架上買了商品後使用
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as opposed to just buying things off the shelf and putting them to use.
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要為消費者特製一種科技體驗
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So, there're lots of things. Everything has RF tags:
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每一樣商品都有無線標簽
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there's RF tags on the user, on the cards,
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在消費者身上,卡上都有
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there's the staff devices that are all around the store.
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整家店店員都配有都有一套機器
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You pick them up, and once you see something that you're interested in,
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你選你喜歡的商品
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the staff person can scan them in
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店員就會掃描進電腦
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and then they can be shown on any screen throughout the store.
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顧客就會在店里有的銀幕看到
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You can look at color, and sizes, and how it appeared on the runway, or whatever.
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顏色,尺寸,模特兒穿著走臺步樣子等
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And so then the object -- the merchandise that you're interested in --
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而選到的商品--你喜歡的商品
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can be scanned. It's taken into the dressing room,
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被掃描後,帶進更衣室
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and in the dressing room there are scanners
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在更衣室內還有掃描器
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so that we know exactly what clothing you have in the dressing room.
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這樣就知道你選了那些衣服已經在更衣室
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We can put that up on a touch screen
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所有項目會顯示在觸控面板上
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and you can play with that, and get more information
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看你選的衣服,可以試著搭配,看更多資訊
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about the clothing that you're interested in as you're trying it on.
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就好像在試穿一樣
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It's been used a lot of places, but I particularly like the use here
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這已經廣泛應用了,但我對更衣室內
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of liquid crystal displays in the changing room.
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用LCD這樣的應用,情有獨鐘
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The last time I went to see this store,
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之前我去店里看
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there was a huge buzz about people standing outside and wondering,
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有很多人站在店外猶豫著
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"Am I going to actually get to see the people changing clothes here?"
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“我真的會看到人家換衣服的樣子嗎?”
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But if you push the button, of course, the whole wall goes dark.
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但只要按這個鈕,整個牆就會變色
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So you can try to get approval, or not, for whatever you're wearing.
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可以讓你決定到底要不要買身上穿的這套
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And then one of my favorite features of the technology
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這科技其中我最喜歡的功能之一
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is the magic mirror, where you put on the clothes.
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是魔鏡,當你換上衣服時
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There's a big display in the mirror, and you can turn around --
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你轉身,鏡上有一面顯示器
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but there's a three second delay.
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等三秒鐘
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So you can see what you look like from the back or all the way around, as you look.
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你會看到從各個角度所呈現的效果
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
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About a year and a half ago we were asked to design
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大概一年半前,我們設計
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an installation in the museum --
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一個博物館的裝置
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this is a new wing of the Science Museum in London,
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這是倫敦科博館的新館
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and it's primarily about digital and biomedical issues.
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主要是有關數位跟生醫的主題
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And a group at Itch, which is now part of IDEO,
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IDEO其中一個部門Itch,他們團隊
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designed this interactive wall that's about four stories tall.
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設計了一個4層樓高的互動牆
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I don't know if anybody's seen this --
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我不確定有沒有人看過這
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it's pretty spectacular in the room.
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在室內還挺壯觀的
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Anyway, it's based on the London subway system.
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總之,這就像倫敦地鐵系統
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And so you can see that
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我們可以看出
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the goal is to bring some of the feedback
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我們的目標是把一些來過這博物館的人
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that the people who had gone to the museum were giving,
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他們提供的反饋
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and get it up on the wall so everybody could see. Just for everybody to see.
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再放到牆上讓所有人都看的到,就是要讓大家看到
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So you enter your information. Then, like the London tube system,
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當你輸入資訊時,他們像倫敦的地鐵系統
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the little trains go around with what you're thinking about.
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這些列車跟著你的思路跑
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And then when you get to a station, it's expanded so that you can actually read it.
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而你到達某一站時,整個訊息在你眼前一覽無遺
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Then when you exit the IMAX theatre on the fourth floor --
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等到你到4樓IMAX影城時
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mostly teenagers coming out of there --
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看到很多年輕人走出來
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there's this big open space that has these tables in it
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有一個大廣場擺了很多桌子
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that have interactive games which are quite fun,
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這些桌子有很多好玩的互動遊戲
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also designed by Durrell [Bishop] and Andrew [Hirniak] of Itch.
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也是Itch的Durrel[Bishop]和Andrew[Hirniak]所設計
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And the topics include things that the museum is about:
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逰戲主題跟博物館內容相應:
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male fertility, choosing the sex of your baby
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男性生殖,決定未來孩子的性別,
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or what a driverless car might be like.
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或是一臺無人駕駛的車會長怎樣
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There's lots of room, so people can come up
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因為空間很大,所有人都看得到
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and understand what it is before they get involved.
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在自己玩前就可以知道要怎麼玩
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And also, it's not shown in the video, but these are very beautiful.
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而且,雖然影片沒有拍到,很妙的還有
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They go to the top of the wall and when they reach all the way to the top,
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這些訊息到互動牆的頂端的時候
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after they've bounced around, they disperse into bits
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他們會跳來跳去,之後分散成很多位
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and go off into the atmosphere.
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然後消失不見
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The next video is not done by us.
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接下來的影片不是我們拍的
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This is CBS Sunday Morning that aired about two weeks ago.
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是CBS周日晨間新聞--兩週前播出的
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Scott Adams ran into us
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Scott Adams找上我們
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and asked us if we wouldn't help to design
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問我們要不要幫忙設計
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the ultimate cubicle for Dilbert,
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呆伯特的終極辦公區
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which sounded like a fun thing and so we couldn't pass it up.
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因為太好玩所以我們很難拒絕
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He's always been interested in technology in the future.
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Adams對未來科技很熱衷
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(Video: Scott Adams: I realized that at some point I might be
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(Scott Adams:我發現到一定程度我應該是
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the world's expert on what's wrong with cubicles.
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挑辦公室每個人小區域毛病的大師
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So we thought, well, wouldn't it be fun to get together
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我就想啦:如果找一些世界頂尖的設計人才
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with some of the smartest design guys in the world
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一起合作看看
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and try to figure out if we could make the cubicle better?
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如何改善辦公區
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Narrator: Though they work in a wide-open office space
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旁白:結果他們在舊金山的奧克蘭灣橋下
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spectacularly set under San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge,
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一個景色美好,完全開放的空間
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the team built their own little cubicles
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團隊造了自己的辦公區
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to fully experience the problems.
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去體驗問題所在
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Woman: A one-way mirror. I can look out; you can look at yourself.
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女:單面鏡,我可以看到外面的人,外面的人看到自己
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Narrator: They took pictures.
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旁白:他們照很多像
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Woman: You feel so trapped, when someone kind of leans over
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女:當有人稍微靠近時,就會感覺好像被困住了
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and you're sort of held captive there for a minute.
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之後會有點短暫的無法動搖
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SA: So far it's chaos, but a lot of people are doing stuff, so that's good.
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SA: 到目前為止還很多狀況,但人多力量大,情況還是樂觀
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We'll see what happens.
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我們靜觀其變
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Narrator: The first group builds a cubicle in which the walls are screens
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旁白:第一組造了一個螢幕牆
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for the computer and for family photos.
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上面佈滿電腦螢幕跟全家福照片
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In the second group's scenario, the walls are alive
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第二組是活牆壁
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and actually give Dilbert a group hug.
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還會集體抱呆伯特
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Behind the humor is the idea of making the cubicle more human.)
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這幽默的呈現背後意涵是要把辦公環境變得更人性化)
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David Kelley: So here's the final thing, complete with orange lighting
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David Kelley: 最後的結晶是,用橘色的光
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that follows the sun across -- that follows the tracks of the sun -- across the sky.
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跟著太陽的足跡照,劃越天際
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So you feel that in your cubicle.
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感覺大自然在你的辦公區
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And my favorite feature, which is a flower in a vase
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我喜歡的是,在這花瓶有一朵花
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that wilts when you leave in disappointment,
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當你離開時,會失望的枯萎
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and then when you come back, it comes up to greet you, happy to see you.
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當你回來,又開心的活過來歡迎你
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(SA: The storage is built right into the wall.)
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(SA:置物柜結合在牆壁裡)
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DK: You know, it has homey touches like a built-in fish tank in the walls,
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DK: 還有一些把家的元素融入,像牆上弄魚缸
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or something to be aggressive with to release tension.
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或是有減壓的發泄玩具
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(SA: Customizable for the boss of your choice.)
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(SA: 還可以客制成老板的樣子)
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DK: And of course: a hammock for your afternoon nap
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DK: 當然還有睡午覺的吊床
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that stretches across your cubicle.
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整個在你的辦公區展開
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(SA: Life would be sweet in a cubicle like this.)
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(SA:有這樣的辦公環境,人生會很美好)
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DK: This next project, we were asked to design a pavilion to celebrate
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DK:接下來的案子,我們受雇要設計一個館
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the recycling of the water on the Millennium Dome in London.
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慶祝倫敦千禧水庫回收水的成功
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The dome has an incredible amount of water that washes off of it,
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這水庫需要驚人的水流量
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as well as wastewater.
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就跟廢水一樣
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So this building actually celebrates the water
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所以這樣的建築是表揚當水
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as it comes out of the recycling plant and goes into the reed bed
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從回收廠出來再到天然地去
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so that it can be filtered for the final time.
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做最後段的過濾
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The pavilion's design goal was to be kind of quiet and peaceful.
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設計這館的宗旨要外觀看呈現很平靜祥和
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In contrast to if you went inside the dome, where it's
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因為廢水處理廠內部
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kind of wild and crazy and everybody's
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其實是很大又吵,大家可以
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learning all kinds of things, or fooling around, or whatever they're doing.
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學到不同的知識,隨便逛逛或做任何事情
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But it was intended to be quite quiet.
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重點就是要沒有噪音
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And then you would wander around and gather information,
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然後人們就可以走來走去直接
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in a straightforward fashion, about the recycling process
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學習水回收的處理過程
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and what's being done, and how they're going to reuse the water
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是怎麼樣及如何再利用
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once it comes through the plant.
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從處理廠回收出來的水
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And then, if you saw,
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如果你注意到的話
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the panels actually rotate. So you can get the information
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這些螢幕會動,正面你會吸收資訊
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on the front side, but as they rotate, you can see the actual
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當它換面時,你會看到背面
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recycling plant behind, with all the machines as they actually process the water.
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回收廠跟機械處理水的實景
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You can see: there's the plant.
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現在看到的就是那個水廠
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These are all very low-budget videos, like quick prototypes.
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這些都是低成本的影片,就像我們的樣品
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And we're announcing a new product here tonight,
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我們今晚要在這發表新產品
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which is the first time this has ever been shown in public.
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這是第一次公開
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It's called Spyfish, and it's a company called H2Eye,
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叫做Spyfish,是Nigel Jagger在倫敦
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started by Nigel Jagger in London.
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創的公司叫H2Eye
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And it's a company that's trying to bring the experience -- many people have boats,
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H2Eye公司就是在創造一種體驗-- 很多人有船
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or enjoy being on boats, but a very small percentage of people
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或喜歡坐船出海,但事實上很少人
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actually have the capability or the interest in going under the water
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能夠或有興趣潛入水裡
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and actually seeing what's there,
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去一探究竟
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and enjoying what scuba divers do.
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像潛水客享受水底風光
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This product, it has two cameras.
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這產品有兩臺攝影機
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You throw it over the side of your boat
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你把它丟進水中
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and you basically scuba dive without getting wet.
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基本上就如同潛水但不會弄濕身體
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For us -- there's the object -- for us, it was two projects. One, to design the interface
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就長這樣,對我們而言是兩個計劃。一,要設計界面
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so that the interface doesn't get in your way.
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不會擋到視線的界面
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You could have that kind of immersive experience of being underwater --
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你會有一種強烈的感覺覺得自己就在水裡
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of feeling like you're underwater -- seeing what's going on.
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看到水底的景觀
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And the other one was to design the object
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其二,就是要設計這產品
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and make sure that it was a consumer product and not a research tool.
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確定看起來是消費性商品而不是研究用的器材
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And so we spent a lot of time -- this has been going on for about
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結果我們花了很多時間--大概花了
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seven or eight years, this project --
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7到8年,這個計劃
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and [we're] just ready to start building them.
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我們準備好要成型
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(Narrator: The Spyfish is a revolutionary subaquatic video camera.
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(旁白:Spyfish是創新性的潛水攝影機
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It can dive to 500 feet, to where sunlight does not penetrate,
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可潛到500尺,陽光照射不到的深度
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and is equipped with powerful lights.
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內建功能強大的照明燈
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It becomes your eyes and ears as you venture into the deep.
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可以當你深水下的眼睛跟耳朵
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The battery-powered Spyfish sends the live video-feed through a slender cable.)
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電池會透過一條細線傳輸Spyfish的即時影像
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DK: This slender cable was a huge technological advancement
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DK:這條細線是很大的技術突破
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and it allowed the whole thing to be the size that it is.
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可以用這麼小的尺寸達到全能的效果
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(Narrator: And this central box connects the whole system together.
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(旁白:中間這箱子整合這整個系統
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Maneuvering the Spyfish is simple with the wireless remote control.
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用無線遙控器控制Spyfish很容易
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You watch the video with superimposed graphics
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你看到多層圖像的影片
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that indicate your depth and compass heading.
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告訴你深度跟行進方位
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The fluid graphics and ambient sounds combine
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水底視覺跟聽覺呈現結合
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to help you completely lose yourself underwater.)
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會使人覺得身歷其境)
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
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DK: And the last thing I'll talk about is ApproTEC,
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DK:最後我要講的是讓我個人
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which is a project that I'm very excited about.
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很振奮的ApproTEC專案
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ApproTEC is a company started by Dr. Martin Fisher,
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ApproTEC是我一個很好的朋友Martin Fisher博士
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who's a good friend of mine. He's a Ph.D. from Stanford.
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所創立的公司。他擁有史丹佛的博士學位。
14:22
He found himself in Kenya on a Fulbright
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他獲Fulbright的經費去肯亞
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and he had a very interesting insight, which is that
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然後他發現很有趣的一件事,他說
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he said, "There must be entrepreneurs in Kenya;
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肯亞一定有創業家
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there must be entrepreneurs everywhere."
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到處都有創業家
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And he noticed that for weddings and funerals there
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他發現當地的婚禮跟喪禮
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they could find enough money to put something together.
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當地人都有辦法籌夠錢舉辦
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So he decided to start manufacturing products in Kenya
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所以他決定要在肯亞跟當地廠商
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with Kenyan manufacturers -- designed by people like us, but taken there.
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從事生產-- 我們設計,他們生產
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And to this date -- he's been gone for only a few years --
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到今天--他去沒幾年的時間--
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he's started 19,000 companies.
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已經創了1萬9千家公司了
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He's made 30,000 new jobs.
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創造出3萬個新的工作機會
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And just the sales of the products -- this is a non-profit --
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而光產品銷售--這是社會企業--
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the sales of these products is now .6% of the GDP of Kenya.
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占了目前肯亞百分之6的國內生產毛額
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This is one guy doing this. This is a pretty spectacular thing.
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一個人的力量可以有這樣效果,實在驚人
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So we're in the process of helping them design
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我們現在致力於幫他們設計
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deep-well, low-cost manual pumps
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深井,低廉的手動抽水機
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in order for these people who have a quarter acre of land
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可以幫有4分之一畝地的當地人
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to be able to grow crops in the off-season.
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在旱季期可以種作物
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What they do now is: they can grow crops in the rainy season
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現在的情況是:雨季時他們可以種作物
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but they can't grow them in the off-season.
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旱季就種不出來
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And so by doing that, the woman that you saw in the first thing --
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所以,大家一開始看到的那位女士
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she's a school teacher -- always wanted to send her kids to college
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她是一個老師--希望她的學生可以上大學
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and she's going to be able to do it because of these things.
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因為這些總總,她得以實現她的夢想
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So with seed-squeezers, and pumps, and hay-balers and
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用這些碎種子機,泵,乾草打包機
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very straightforward things that we're designing --
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這些我們設計非常簡易的農耕機
15:45
my students are doing this as class projects
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這是我史丹佛學生的課堂作業
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and IDEO has donated their time to do this kind of work --
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IDEO的員工也投入他們的時間參與
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it's really amazing to see his success, Martin's.
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看到Martin的成功令人開心
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We also were thinking about the experience of Richard,
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我們也沒忘記Richard的貢獻
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and so --
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所以
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(Laughter)
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(大笑)
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-- we designed this hat, because I knew I'd be the last one in the day
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--我們設計了這帽子,我知道我是今天最後一個講著
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and I needed to deal with him. So I just have one more thing to say.
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我還得應付他。所以我最後要說的是
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(Laughter)
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(大笑)
16:13
Can you read it?
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你們看得到嗎?
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(Laughter)
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(大笑)
16:16
Well, it's always kind of funny when he comes up and hovers.
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哈,每次當他靠近要一探究竟時還蠻好笑的
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You know, you don't want to be rude to him and you don't want to feel guilty,
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我不想對他不敬也不敢有罪惡感
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and so I thought this would do it, where I just sit here.
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所以我決定如果我坐這就好
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(Laughter)
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(大笑)
16:27
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
16:35
So we saw a lot of interesting things being designed today in this session,
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我們今天看到很多有趣的設計
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and from all the different presenters.
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都是不同的人所呈現的
16:42
And in my own practice, from product to ApproTEC,
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從產品到ApproTEC,我自己的經驗讓我學到,
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it's really exciting that we're taking a more human-centered approach to design,
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以人為本的設計融入人類的行為跟個性
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that we're including behaviors and personalities in the things we do,
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是很令人振奮的演進
16:54
and I think this is great.
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我覺得這是很棒的事
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Designers are more trusted and more integrated
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設計師在公司的策略面
16:58
into the business strategy of companies,
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得到更多的信任跟融入感
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and I have to say, for one, I feel very lucky at the progress that design
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最後我想說,我很榮幸看到從第一屆TED開始以來
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has made since the first TED. Thanks a lot.
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設計界的進步。謝謝大家。
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